I've experimented with Binaural Beats. Good stuff, but requires a good amount of mediation experience and discipline to get the most out of it.
The hysterical tones in this news article are HILARIOUS. I think this is something we can get in on.
http://newsok.com/digital-drugs-at-mustang-high-school-have-experts-warning-of-slippery-slope/article/3475464?custom_click=lead_story_title
QuoteThe technology is designed to combine a tone in each ear to create a binaural beat designed to alter brainwaves. Whether it was kids faking it, the power of suggestion or a high wasn't clear to administrators who investigated the students' claims. Adding to the mystery was the fact that these kids weren't troublemakers. So the worried Lightfoot sent parents a letter warning them to be aware of this new temptation to kids.
"The parents' reaction was the same as mine. Just shocked," Lightfoot said. "You've got to be kidding."
Now other schools and drug experts are concerned about this trend just hitting Oklahoma.
"I think it's very dangerous," said Karina Forrest-Perkins, chief operating officer of Gateway to Prevention and Recovery in Shawnee. While there are no known neurological effects from digital drugs, they encourage kids to pursue mood altering substances, she said.
...
A site says that the i-doses may not be downloaded by anyone under 18 years of age.
"Come on. You know they are," Forrest-Perkins said. "No one over 18 is trying to get stoned on a song."
...
"If a parent notices a child is sitting around all the time with headphones on, they should look into what stresses are happening in the child's life ... and deal with it in a constructive way," Shlackman said.
Lightfoot said like Mustang High School parents, she's shocked over the digital drugs.
"What worries me is the ease in which some people can sell things to kids by saying that it's supposed to be mood altering," she said. "It's a real moneymaker out there."
Some Fark.com comments:
"And mood altering substances are bad, bad, bad. Except all those legal prescription pills every other commercial entices you to buy. And coffee. Those are totally good, because companies make them. So they're patriotic and American. But those filthy drugs? Even if they have no negative effects, they're bad, bad, bad."
"That probably explains the rampant lesbianism (http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=1195284&hl=Senate-challenger-says-there-is-rampant-lesbianism-in-some-Oklahoma-schools-Finally-a-reason-to-move-to-Oklahoma) there."
"
While there are no known neurological effects from digital drugs, they encourage kids to pursue mood altering substances, she said.She said as she put down her cup of coffee."
"I have a friend whose cousin knows this guy who did a double shout of zip (zip is a digital file made up of almost pure 0). Well I guess he totally freaked and started mutilating the family dog or something. They had to put him in a mental ward and he can only eat jello with his feet. True story."
"Or maybe, "I think this is very dangerous, because if I don't, the media will spin whatever I think or say to make it seem like I support kids doing drugs." There is only one "correct" answer here. It is "This is dangerous and I am outraged." Otherwise you're instantly a felon and must be stoned to death."
"woohoo! I'm tripping iBalls!!!!!!"
"I accidentally the playback through the Bose speakers with the Monster cable."
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"You boys wouldn't mind if I had a look through your MP3 player's contents, would you? Good..."
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:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
This has to be a satire on a par with Chris Morris' Brass Eye
Oh my god.
Okay, I've tried this, and if anything was happening at all, it was so mild that I could do the same thing by just willing myself to feel a bit different. Normal music has stronger mood altering effects for me. It's like the homeopathy of psychedelics. Without the chemicals.
Are we going to have illegal noises?
I fucking love this decade.
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 13, 2010, 10:27:43 PM
Are we going to have illegal noises?
:lulz:
JUST SAY NO TO TEH GATEWAY NOISE!
...Seriously?
Quote"If a parent notices a child is sitting around all the time with headphones on, they should look into what stresses are happening in the child's life ... and deal with it in a constructive way," Shlackman said.
I'm PRAYING to the gods of Lifetime that we get a made-for-TV movie about this. With lots of drama and crying.
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 14, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
I'm PRAYING to the gods of Lifetime that we get a made-for-TV movie about this. With lots of drama and crying.
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on July 14, 2010, 01:36:20 AM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 14, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
I'm PRAYING to the gods of Lifetime that we get a made-for-TV movie about this. With lots of drama and crying.
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4424/excitedo.jpg)
I'M SO EXCITED!! I'M SO EXCITED!! I'M SO.... SCARED!!!!
Quote from: Telarus on July 12, 2010, 11:59:36 PM
I've experimented with Binaural Beats. Good stuff, but requires a good amount of mediation experience and discipline to get the most out of it.
The hysterical tones in this news article are HILARIOUS. I think this is something we can get in on.
:lulz:
Some people in the comments section had a good idea. Liking testimonial from people with Real Experience with this insidious drug... For a first try:
"Binauralism refers to the highly suggestible state induced by i-dosing. The "new E", Binaurals (even in low doses) can leave addicts with a "blank slate" state of mind for days. My colleagues and I have found that while residual effects of Binauralism are useful for many high school subjects, the risks far outweigh the benefits, as many addicts are left nearly brainwashed. Luckily, it's not hard to identify addicts – if you find your child repeating ad jingles, "memes," and/or teabagger slogans, chances are he or she is a Binaural addict. The only cure is very big earmuffs, worn continuously for 5 months. – Dr. Lufesu"
Or... this could be all kinds of awesome if people were led to believe that binaural referred to shit you can hear IN BOTH EARS!!! At the SAME TIME!!!
"Have you ever listened to something on your earphones and noticed that what you hear in one ear is sometimes different from what you hear in the other ear? I did. And it made me snort my Ritalin. Binaurals aren't a gateway drug. They're a goddamn portal! One second you're enjoying a drum solo, the next you're trying to freebase grandma's bengay. – Recovering Binauralist"
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on July 14, 2010, 01:36:20 AM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 14, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
I'm PRAYING to the gods of Lifetime that we get a made-for-TV movie about this. With lots of drama and crying.
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
^ALSOTHIS^
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on July 14, 2010, 01:29:43 AM
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 13, 2010, 10:27:43 PM
Are we going to have illegal noises?
:lulz:
JUST SAY NO TO TEH GATEWAY NOISE!
Well, pushers
are luring defenseless children into their demon world of drugs by putting subliminal Binaurals into popular songs! Is the record industry in on it? You bet yer shiny muffintop they are. We all know that pop music is fueled by the drug industry. 2+2=?
:lol:
... so frigging ridiculous... Was it a slow week for the PTA or something?
I'm not at all surprised about this. Society makes me sad.
Not surprised about people freaking out about the beats, that is.
ILLEGAL BINAURAL BREAKBEATS.
GO.
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 14, 2010, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on July 14, 2010, 01:36:20 AM
Quote from: DiscoUkulele on July 14, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
I'm PRAYING to the gods of Lifetime that we get a made-for-TV movie about this. With lots of drama and crying.
PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4424/excitedo.jpg)
I'M SO EXCITED!! I'M SO EXCITED!! I'M SO.... SCARED!!!!
:mittens:
I'm thinking of putting about / pamphleting information of how you can generate sounds like this inside your own head, then giving a list of mantras.
Well, let me be controversial and take the middle path. Yes, this doesn't warrant hysteria and knee-jerk reactions from the schools and the community. However, you also have to put yourself in the shoes of the parents and school personnel. I think it is perfectly reasonable to look into this and get an understanding of what it is, and I think it is also perfectly reasonable to disseminate those findings to parents. We all know how word of mouth works. I've seen it in action, where my 6 year old comes home and tells us this big story of this crazy thing that happened, but when you talk to an adult from the school, you realize it was nothing. So, the overreaction is unnecessary, but having an understanding of what it is and relaying that information, rationally, to parents is also completely within the bounds of responsible action. Parents look to schools to understand these trends and fads because they see them on a day-to-day basis.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/digital-drugs/#ixzz0tmKAHXlH
From the YouTube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1asB1haQM) of the Gates of Hades free MP3: (which sounds like shit, btw)
QuoteConscars
30 minutes ago Hey guys I heard of this drug that's even better than this it's called Jenkem.
QuoteCorrection: This post placed the Mustang school district in Kansas, when it's actually in Oklahoma. Kansas, the band, however might not be safe for teens, and could be a gateway band to harder, more dangerous psychedelic fare like Pink Floyd.
what the fuck?
Meaning: They're cracking wise about this, and don't take it too seriously.
I actually heard teachers in our school telling students to cencetrate! Can you believe this?! Forcing them into altering states of mind. This shit has to stop :argh!:
So this is starting to crop up in the prevention community. I like what is said in this article from Join Together:
http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2010/tech-and-drugs-and-rock-and.html
QuoteTech and Drugs and Rock and Roll
July 15, 2010
Websites are marketing music that developers claim can produce a drug-like high, Psychology Today reported July 14.
The so-called iDozer (or i-doser) tunes are based on the 19th-century discovery of "binaural beats" -- paired tones played at different frequency that have long been used to research hearing and sleep and treat anxiety. Some claim that the sounds also can increase dopamine and beta-endorphins, like drugs.
"With all the truly dangerous drugs out there accessible by your kids, I'd place Idozer on the low priority list for now," writers blogger Ron S. Doyle. "But if you happen to notice that your teenager has stopped listening to Tokyo Hotel or Timbaland and started listening to mind-numbing pink noise, perhaps it's time for a mature dialogue about the source of their motivations."
The underlined part is key. I don't think it is necessary to freak out about the actual "digital drug". The point of concern would be the adolescent seeking out a way to get high. Moreover, seeking out an easily accessible and available way to get high. It may not be a big deal, but if it seems like the adolescent has some strong motivation to find highs, it then becomes important to address that motivation and make sure it doesn't lead to experimentation with things around the home like inhalants or Rx drugs. Particularly in the middle school or younger ages.
Good point. However, I'd rather a kid be fucking around with two occilators than with his airplane glue.
Which reminds me, I need to generate a 1000Hz and a 1023Hz tone for the next song I'm writing.
With any luck, I can generate some controversy.
"They's puttin' DRUGS into th' muziks!"
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:mullet:
Certainly, and if the conversation draws out that the kid really just likes the sounds and isn't fixated on the high, I see no reason to deprive him or her of that.
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on July 16, 2010, 02:33:04 PM
Good point. However, I'd rather a kid be fucking around with two occilators than with his airplane glue.
Which reminds me, I need to generate a 1000Hz and a 1023Hz tone for the next song I'm writing.
With any luck, I can generate some controversy.
"They's puttin' DRUGS into th' muziks!"
\
:mullet:
Generating tones:
http://andyware.com/abox2/download/index.html
This program is pretty useful/fun in general, especially if you get a copy of virtual audio cable.
Thing is, I think it is ok if they want to get all "wooohoooowoooo" with music, because that's still a NATURAL high to me. It's like a runner who runs to get that endorphin rush. It's a HEALTHY drug choice, running, isn't it? So why isn't listening to music a healthy drug choice? To me it's like worrying about the fatty choosing strawberries over a hamburger to indulge in. I understand trying to not make kids into self-indulgers, but keeping them away from music because they might be iDozing seems silly...I'm the kind of parent who knows what my kids listen to and are exposed to, so it wouldn't shock me if they got into music to really get hyped up about it...I worry less about what the music LEADS to if I know WHY they are listening to it in the first place.
Chances are they are introduced to it because I make it so or allow other influences over them. This should just be an extension of everything else in their lives.
I'd rather worry about the really REAL drugs that are out there (like the Rx ones that kids are trading around like candy, and the "street" drugs that have all sorts of shit cut into them) than music, and this lame-ass iDozing is just that: lameass. It's got pure placebo effect for probably 99.9% of the population (and that's probably an understatement).
I want to know what happens if you play one of these tracks in reverse.
Sss--satan---satn--satin--sssatan--sss
Something like that
Quote from: RWHN on July 16, 2010, 02:18:05 PM
So this is starting to crop up in the prevention community. I like what is said in this article from Join Together:
http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2010/tech-and-drugs-and-rock-and.html
QuoteTech and Drugs and Rock and Roll
July 15, 2010
Websites are marketing music that developers claim can produce a drug-like high, Psychology Today reported July 14.
The so-called iDozer (or i-doser) tunes are based on the 19th-century discovery of "binaural beats" -- paired tones played at different frequency that have long been used to research hearing and sleep and treat anxiety. Some claim that the sounds also can increase dopamine and beta-endorphins, like drugs.
"With all the truly dangerous drugs out there accessible by your kids, I'd place Idozer on the low priority list for now," writers blogger Ron S. Doyle. "But if you happen to notice that your teenager has stopped listening to Tokyo Hotel or Timbaland and started listening to mind-numbing pink noise, perhaps it's time for a mature dialogue about the source of their motivations."
The underlined part is key. I don't think it is necessary to freak out about the actual "digital drug". The point of concern would be the adolescent seeking out a way to get high. Moreover, seeking out an easily accessible and available way to get high. It may not be a big deal, but if it seems like the adolescent has some strong motivation to find highs, it then becomes important to address that motivation and make sure it doesn't lead to experimentation with things around the home like inhalants or Rx drugs. Particularly in the middle school or younger ages.
Excellent point. Digital drugs are not dangerous in themselves, and may actually be a good thing since they are an indicator. But parents need to pay attention to the presence of that indicator otherwise the kid is going to realize that it is not getting him high and move on to something that will.
Quote from: RWHN on July 16, 2010, 02:44:58 PM
Certainly, and if the conversation draws out that the kid really just likes the sounds and isn't fixated on the high, I see no reason to deprive him or her of that.
I don't think the kid should be deprived of the sound if he is listening to it to get high either. It's certainly a safer method than chemicals. On the other hand it might be a good idea to also introduce other safe highs, like meditation or exercise. I think that an urge to alter one's brain chemistry is a natural urge in some people, and finding safe ways to explore that can be much more helpful than a "just say no" approach.
Interview between Klintron (technoccult.net) and the creator of the source code that got stolen and repackaged as iDoser:
http://technoccult.net/archives/2010/07/22/binaural-beats-with-sbagen-developer-jim-peters-technoccult-interview/
Quote from: Captain Utopia on July 26, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
I want to know what happens if you play one of these tracks in reverse.
You'd get the stereo effect reversed (cause the left/right delays are reversed), but the binaural beat frequency stays the same, so you'd get the same effect from that.