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Started by LMNO, March 10, 2014, 03:42:41 PM

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LMNO

So, a freind on FB wants to know why data mining is so bad, and is asking for documented instances where data mining has harmed an innocent person. 

It's an interesting request -- on one hand, extrapolating that corporations and governments will exploit every piece of available information isn't that hard to do, but on the other hand, she's looking for evidence rather than hype, which should be encouraged.

I found one example of employers using FaceBook to make hiring decisions, but I know there's jucier stuff out there.

Anyone know of something juicy offhand? 

Faust

Off the top of my head:

We'll there's the really obvious people getting arrested for posting on twitter during the Iranian elections.

There's the two white Florida college students who were arrested for making that stupid west side gang sign with their hands on facebook.

I'll look for links when I get home.
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Cain

There were also the two Brits banned from America - for life - for using slang about their upcoming holiday on Twitter ("destroy")

The Good Reverend Roger

The NSA comes to mind.  And if I don't want them doing it, I sure don't want WalMart doing it.

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- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

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"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Faust

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

I thought this was common knowledge.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.

I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Faust on March 10, 2014, 03:57:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

I thought this was common knowledge.

:?

There's that "informed consent" thing they're always harping about in school.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.

I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.

They're pretty much the same thing.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Cain

You can slap control orders on stalkers. 

Although I'd give a gold star to anyone who manages to put a control order on the NSA.

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/10/17/amanda_todd_suicide_did_anonymous_dox_the_wrong_guy.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/04/19/wrong-boy-targeted-online-witch-hunt-noisy-drummer.html


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 10, 2014, 03:54:09 PM
Data mining isn't bad, it's just another absolutely fucking awesome piece of tech or, rather, an awesome approach to using tech.

Some people are bad, so they do what they always do with fucking awesome tech - they use it to do retarded shit.

The "data mining is teh evil" mindset could equally be applied to science in general

Scientists stalk people?  That explains so much...

Forgive me, I thought the thread was about data mining.

I fail to see any difference between data mining and stalking, to be perfectly honest.

Data mining is a method of analysing massive repositories of data and mapping correlations that would be impossible for a human to see.

Stalking is following a person about. Cyberstalking is collecting information about someone, using the internet.

Datamining a person could be considered a form of stalking.

Datamining climate data could not be considered stalking

Datamining biological data could not be considered stalking

Finding planets which may support biological life could not be considered stalking

Datamining is science. Science can be used to stalk people.

So is science a bad thing?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark