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Atlas Shrugged. April 15. Is your body ready?

Started by Prince Glittersnatch III, April 12, 2011, 12:09:02 AM

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 15, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
I'm honestly starting to think we've come across a legitimate case of Aspberger's here.

Or a personality disorder. My money's on a personality disorder.

I already disliked the pendantic little shitweasel, but I tolerated her on the basis that she's probably an aspie and can't help herself. Thing is, I know actual aspies (rather closely related to a couple of them, in fact) who are vastly more sensitive than this stupid little fuckwit... especially when communicating via written word, where the inability to interpret nuances of body language is irrelevant.

Aspies have empathy... this creature doesn't appear to have any.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 17, 2011, 02:48:40 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 15, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Right, I'm officially calling bullshit, you know jack all about objectivism, or any other kind of philosophy, and are completely unable to defend your argument with anything other than blanket statements that the other side is wrong and hurling insults.

Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 15, 2011, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 15, 2011, 04:28:57 PM
Nope, for one thing I still have no fucking clue how you got from A to B on this one.

I love that its now advanced to the point that asking for an explanation is useless pedantry though.

The point isn't about being right or wrong here, Requia.  It's that, while Roger's use of attempted murder may not be the legally exact definition that would suit a real life case like this, the term was still sufficient to get his point across in a conversational manner.  Especially given he'd used the correct terminology earlier in the very same topic.

I'm not talking about the legally accepted definition of murder, I'm talking about the lack of any kind of link whatsoever between his first statement and his second.  Even if you leave out the whole murder bit, and just say 'then objectivists believe anybody with bad breaks should be arrested' it's *still* utter nonsense unless you say *why* that's the case.  I'm fairly certain that there's no reason at all for that to be the case under objectivism at this point, and that Roger is talking out his ass, which is why he refuses to answer me.

If you're so smart, why are you THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON IN THIS THREAD who didn't understand Roger's point?

I didn't understand Roger's point either, but I decided not to mention it because it seemed unfashionable at the time.
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WHat I've gotten from Objectivism previously, and what I believe Rog was referring to with his example was this:

Joes brakes are bad, he knows it, he kills a family when his brakes fail.

>

Joe is guilty of a serious crime, some degree of homicide (I'm not getting into the argument about WHICH degree, as this is entirely unimportant to the example).

Up to this point most non-Objectivists would be entirely in agreement.

>

Anyone else who knowingly drives with bad brakes is ALSO guilty of the same seriousness of crime as Joe, due to the potential consequences of doing so, not the actual consequences.


Now, this last part is the part which turns everything into black and white codification, which in many (most?) cases is entirely innappropriate to real life situations. We charge people for driving unsafe vehicles because they might be lethal, we don't charge them for murder before anyone has actually died.

If we were to start applying rigid black and white codified laws of this kind, then we wouldn't need a jury. Or a judge for that matter. We would just find the Law that best fits the situation and apply the prescribed punishment. We wouldn't try to weigh up circumstances or intent. We wouldn't offer mercy (or even harsher example-making).

The real problem with this of course is that the justice system, as "broken" as many seem to feel it is, is one of THE central supports of democratic society. Participation in the system and the right to have cases heard, debated and judged upon is almost as important (some would have it more important) as voting in elections. Justice isn't a dead tome with indentikit crimes and summary punishment, it's a living, breathing and essential part of what we in the west consider to be life.

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haven't seen the movie yet.  probably wont.  some books should just never be made into a movie.

here's some decent commentary on it comparing contrasting it with Avatar as far as it's message and artistic value are concerned.  The guy is in all regards a very rational conservative commentator I sometimes listen to.

His voice is kind of annoying though, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ9xnYc8tkw
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Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
haven't seen the movie yet.  probably wont.  some books should just never be made into a movie.

here's some decent commentary on it comparing contrasting it with Avatar as far as it's message and artistic value are concerned.  The guy is in all regards a very rational conservative commentator I sometimes listen to.

His voice is kind of annoying though, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ9xnYc8tkw


When you said he had an annoying voice I thought it would be RedLetterMedia.
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 19, 2011, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
haven't seen the movie yet.  probably wont.  some books should just never be made into a movie.

here's some decent commentary on it comparing contrasting it with Avatar as far as it's message and artistic value are concerned.  The guy is in all regards a very rational conservative commentator I sometimes listen to.

His voice is kind of annoying though, IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ9xnYc8tkw


When you said he had an annoying voice I thought it would be RedLetterMedia.
I was disapointed :(

RedLetterMedia sounds like the guy from Idiocracy.  Dax Sheppard?  yeah, that's him.
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Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
haven't seen the movie yet.  probably wont.  some books should just never be made into a movie.




Sometimes, books shouldn't be made into books either
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Sorry about your Grandfather, Roger.  :sad: That really, really, sucks.

Also, come back soon, Requia. What you did is almost unforgivable, and merits one hell of an ass kicking. So come back soon.

Damn...really sucks.
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Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 21, 2011, 01:47:53 AM
Sorry about your Grandfather, Roger.  :sad: That really, really, sucks.

Also, come back soon, Requia. What you did is almost unforgivable, and merits one hell of an ass kicking. So come back soon.

Damn...really sucks.

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Quote from: Mangrove on April 21, 2011, 01:17:47 AM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
haven't seen the movie yet.  probably wont.  some books should just never be made into a movie.




Sometimes, books shouldn't be made into books either

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Quote from: Telarus on April 22, 2011, 06:30:19 AM
Some great snippets from the reviews of this film:

http://crooksandliars.com/matt-osborne/ayn-rands-new-religion-righteous

My favorite quote....

Quote"Now that I've seen the movie, I think I finally understand the appeal of Atlas Shrugged," (reviewer Timothy) Hulsey explained on Facebook. "It's basically Ayn Rand's version of the Rapture.

"Honestly," he added, "I've seen quite a bit of evangelical Christian cinema, and Atlas Shrugged generally reminded me of the Paul Crouch-Trinity Broadcast Network Omega Code movies. That's not to say I didn't like it — quite the contrary. What Atlas Shrugged lacks in financial resources, star power, and cinematic competence, it makes up in bats**t insanity."

:lulz:

I really don't want to re-read this book but from the reviews I'm seriously wondering if I am remembering it correctly...  :?  I mean it has been over 20 years but damn....

LMNO

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"Her philosophy did not play well in reality.  Not for her, and not for her followers."


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Quote from: Hoopla on April 28, 2011, 02:48:13 PM
So, this movie has bombed... yes?

Totally.

I mean, what do you expect to come from a woman who looked like this?



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