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So they're essentially observing something that's too small to see and describing it as a wave in one set of equations and a ickle ping pong ball in another, depending on what effect they want to produce but if you try to measure it one way the other breaks down. Truth is probably that the phenomena is neither a wave nor a ping pong ball?

You can do that anyway. Without the elaborate, perpetual motion bullshit.

While we're on the subject there was something else my mate was going on about. I think he called it a Bendini circuit or something similar (sounded like an italian trapeze act anyway)

WTF is all that about and why do these zero point freaks shoot their spooge over it?

I'd call both groups pretty fucking normal.

Black sheep are still sheep.

Magic?

George Bush says 'we are losing the war on drugs'. Well you know what that implies? There's a war going on, and people on drugs are winning it! Well what does that tell you about drugs? Some smart, creative motherfuckers on that side.

Wonder what Bill would have said about the War on Terror^tm 

Okay, I think I'm nearly there but I'm still not getting the double slit thing.

Double slit is like when you fire a little thing (photon/electron/mekon?) at a bit of card with two slits in it passes through both slits and interferes with itself?

I can't reconcile this to the boxes thing, despite the fact that the boxes thing makes perfect sense to me. How the fuck does the tiny thing manage to go through both slits and then bang into itself?

Whilst I agree that over unity or zero point is pie in the sky, physics defying bullshit there's something that not a lot of people have cottoned on to. Build a device that's as close to zero point as you can get then add a solar panel and a small wind turbine to the circuit.

Bingo - free energy the cheats way.

There's a lot of real fucking efficient motors out there these days - doesn't take much to tip the balance. All perpetual motion needs is a little push

I ran this by my mate, who's into all this magnetic induction bullshit. "Yeah but that isn't genuinely zero point - you're cheating".

"The objective isn't zero-point, dumbass - it's powering my house for fuck-all"

To be quite honest, I see the singularity as something more of a plateau, pragmatically speaking.

As pattern makers, we are assaulted by vast reams of information, and we pick and choose our way through it.

The singularity, as I see it, is a point where the technology and knowledge base becomes greater than our ability to understand it.

At that point, we will fall back to our null state, and no more advancements are made.

If that's the case then we've already reached it. Name one person on earth that understands everything? People choose fields and specialise. If those fields become too complex then they are further subdivided - molecular biology, organic biochemistry .. etc

The knowledge base, even in my field of computing, is already greater than my ability to understand it but I don't need to. Everything is documented in digital format. We are using machines to make up for the shortcomings of our brains, organising information in ever more accessible ways. Developing ever more sophisticated algorithms for retrieving it.

There's a hell of a lot of things that get done on a daily basis that would be impossible without technology, including designing and building that technology itself.

To me the singularity occurs when humans completely lose touch with the design process. Then you have a real runaway train on your hands.

Hm.  So, re-saving it in a PDF editor.... That's so crazy, it just might work!

Just like the good old days of macrovision - copy onto a betamax rig that ignores the fucked tracking then you're good to record as many VHS copies as you like 

Finally! Thanks man, I needed that. You're absolutely right - all I been hearing about, as a layperson, is the "weird stuff". Wrongly assumed it was coming from the the scientists.

So are you saying Schroedinger and Heisenberg were anti-QM people too? Only one I head about was Enistein with the "god doesn't play dice" thing.

Also the double slit trip - that's a metaphor? Like the wave doesn't collapse and/or it was never there in the 1st place - but to all intents and purposes, where your math is concerned, it does.

Moral vegetarians are, almost exclusively, physically piss-weak. Comes from not having enough good protein in their diet to grow proper muscles.

Just beat the shit out of them and move on.

[As for computers and paranoia, remember when the USA declared anything above 40-bit encryption were a type of munition, and using it was an act of war against the USA?]

What doesn't get you put on a terrorist watch list these days?  Hell, studying terrorism gets you put on the terrorism watchlist.

As for computers and paranoia, remember when the USA declared anything above 40-bit encryption were a type of munition, and using it was an act of war against the USA?  Or, after September 11th, when a bunch of suspicious "computer security experts" declared terrorists were using Linux and that Something Should Be Done About This?

  Ah, good times.

I remember when a bunch of us at college won world war 3 without the USA even knowing about it. After they pulled that shit we 64bit encrypted a declaration of war with a "failure to respond within 6 months will be treated as a formal surrender" - disclaimer then wrote it to every 3.5 inch floppy we copied for months.

P3nT,

Now part owns the USA, along with half a dozen other college nerds.

Try opening it the most basic open source pdf editor you can get your hands on then saving it from there. If the DRM hasn't scrambled the file then it might work. If it has then you're pretty much fucked

I always figured that the promise of non-local effect was what got people into magic. The ability to manipulate local psychology was what they got out of it.

Or maybe that was just me