Strife in your SpaceTimes

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Seriously?  Dang, you guys just don't have any sense of faith at all, do you?  It's easy.  The photons know what's going to happen, so they adjust themselves accordingly.  Then Santa gets diabeetus, and Christmas gets cancelled.  It's simple!

Sure. But the thing is is that my brain is screaming "BUT FUCKING HOW?!?!?!"

I mean, times supposed to be linear, right? I think I read about other experiments, recently, that suggested it was impossible to affect the past. Though, that said, it may have involved particles not on the quantum level.

I don't think time actually "is" linear, but it's the way Western science decided to describe it, which is fair and reasonable. 

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Seriously?  Dang, you guys just don't have any sense of faith at all, do you?  It's easy.  The photons know what's going to happen, so they adjust themselves accordingly.  Then Santa gets diabeetus, and Christmas gets cancelled.  It's simple!

Sure. But the thing is is that my brain is screaming "BUT FUCKING HOW?!?!?!"

I mean, times supposed to be linear, right? I think I read about other experiments, recently, that suggested it was impossible to affect the past. Though, that said, it may have involved particles not on the quantum level.

I don't think time actually "is" linear, but it's the way Western science decided to describe it, which is fair and reasonable.

Not being 4th dimensional creatures I don;t see how we could describe it as anything else.

[Bruno]

I think they just scientifically disproved the existence of free will. 

[Kai]

QUANTUM!

No, seriously, isn't this covered under the decoherence, 'many worlds' postulate?

[Cain]

QUANTUM!

No, seriously, isn't this covered under the decoherence, 'many worlds' postulate?

I think so.  Based on the link I previously provided, which ties the Many Worlds postulate in with timeless physics.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Seriously?  Dang, you guys just don't have any sense of faith at all, do you?  It's easy.  The photons know what's going to happen, so they adjust themselves accordingly.  Then Santa gets diabeetus, and Christmas gets cancelled.  It's simple!

Sure. But the thing is is that my brain is screaming "BUT FUCKING HOW?!?!?!"

I mean, times supposed to be linear, right? I think I read about other experiments, recently, that suggested it was impossible to affect the past. Though, that said, it may have involved particles not on the quantum level.

I don't think time actually "is" linear, but it's the way Western science decided to describe it, which is fair and reasonable.

Not being 4th dimensional creatures I don;t see how we could describe it as anything else.

There are a few non-Western cultures that describe it differently. There's one that describes it as a three-dimensional space in which multiple things are all happening at once, which make the other things go. It's hard for me to grasp because that's not a framework I'm familiar with. There's another which describes the future as being behind us and the past ahead of us. It's easy to get sucked into the trap of thinking that our way of thinking about things makes the most sense because it's the most obvious or most logical, or even the most possible, but that isn't necessarily the case.

[hirley0]

12 IMIX in my case its far more like in my time, than My Space

[Kai]

QUANTUM!

No, seriously, isn't this covered under the decoherence, 'many worlds' postulate?

I think so.  Based on the link I previously provided, which ties the Many Worlds postulate in with timeless physics.

I have read that Timeless Physics page several times over the last 2 years, and I still do not understand it. Maybe time to use Feynmen self-teaching to get through to my brain.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

QUANTUM!

No, seriously, isn't this covered under the decoherence, 'many worlds' postulate?

I think so.  Based on the link I previously provided, which ties the Many Worlds postulate in with timeless physics.

I still have to read Less Wrong. I've been meaning to get to it for some time.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Seriously?  Dang, you guys just don't have any sense of faith at all, do you?  It's easy.  The photons know what's going to happen, so they adjust themselves accordingly.  Then Santa gets diabeetus, and Christmas gets cancelled.  It's simple!

Sure. But the thing is is that my brain is screaming "BUT FUCKING HOW?!?!?!"

I mean, times supposed to be linear, right? I think I read about other experiments, recently, that suggested it was impossible to affect the past. Though, that said, it may have involved particles not on the quantum level.

I don't think time actually "is" linear, but it's the way Western science decided to describe it, which is fair and reasonable.

Not being 4th dimensional creatures I don;t see how we could describe it as anything else.

There are a few non-Western cultures that describe it differently. There's one that describes it as a three-dimensional space in which multiple things are all happening at once, which make the other things go. It's hard for me to grasp because that's not a framework I'm familiar with. There's another which describes the future as being behind us and the past ahead of us. It's easy to get sucked into the trap of thinking that our way of thinking about things makes the most sense because it's the most obvious or most logical, or even the most possible, but that isn't necessarily the case.

It's a cognitive bias on my part, I admit. My mind breaks down when trying to think of the 4th dimension as much as your does when I say North of Sol. 

[Cain]

QUANTUM!

No, seriously, isn't this covered under the decoherence, 'many worlds' postulate?

I think so.  Based on the link I previously provided, which ties the Many Worlds postulate in with timeless physics.

I have read that Timeless Physics page several times over the last 2 years, and I still do not understand it. Maybe time to use Feynmen self-teaching to get through to my brain.

I think I get it, on a conceptual level, but I want to go over the maths a bit more, because, statistics aside, I'm working with essentially high school level stuff, which is not ideal.

How did Feynman teach himself calculus, by the way?  I'm aware that he did, but I've never seen anything on how he went about it.

[Doktor Howl]

I seriously had to read this three times.

Quantum Experiment Shows Effect Before Cause

Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday April 24, @04:32PM
from the enjoy-the-headache dept.

"Physicists have demonstrated that making a decision about whether or not to entangle two photons can be made after you've already measured the states of the photons."

Here's the article's description of the experiment:

'Two independent sources (labeled I and II) produce pairs of photons such that their polarization states are entangled.

One photon from I goes to Alice, while one photon from II is sent to Bob.

The second photon from each source goes to Victor.

Alice and Bob independently perform polarization measurements; no communication passes between them during the experiment—they set the orientation of their polarization filters without knowing what the other is doing.

At some time after Alice and Bob perform their measurements, Victor makes a choice (the "delayed choice" in the name). He either allows his two photons from I and II to travel on without doing anything, or he combines them so that their polarization states are entangled.

A final measurement determines the polarization state of those two photons.


... Ma et al. found to a high degree of confidence that when Victor selected entanglement, Alice and Bob found correlated photon polarizations. This didn't happen when Victor left the photons alone.'

This is BULLSHIT.  It's God, CHEATING.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The idea of teaching oneself calculus sounds quite difficult... math is one of those things that makes sense when someone demonstrates it, but trying to read the steps in books is terribly confusing for me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I seriously had to read this three times.

Quantum Experiment Shows Effect Before Cause

Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday April 24, @04:32PM
from the enjoy-the-headache dept.

"Physicists have demonstrated that making a decision about whether or not to entangle two photons can be made after you've already measured the states of the photons."

Here's the article's description of the experiment:

'Two independent sources (labeled I and II) produce pairs of photons such that their polarization states are entangled.

One photon from I goes to Alice, while one photon from II is sent to Bob.

The second photon from each source goes to Victor.

Alice and Bob independently perform polarization measurements; no communication passes between them during the experiment—they set the orientation of their polarization filters without knowing what the other is doing.

At some time after Alice and Bob perform their measurements, Victor makes a choice (the "delayed choice" in the name). He either allows his two photons from I and II to travel on without doing anything, or he combines them so that their polarization states are entangled.

A final measurement determines the polarization state of those two photons.


... Ma et al. found to a high degree of confidence that when Victor selected entanglement, Alice and Bob found correlated photon polarizations. This didn't happen when Victor left the photons alone.'

This is BULLSHIT.  It's God, CHEATING.

God is such a dick.

[Cain]

I found teaching maths, at a primary school level, helped me to sharpen a lot of my basic knowledge, and get an appreciation for the complex yet always ultimately understandable symmetry of mathematics.  From that, I found it easier to look into more advanced spheres of study in my own time.

But yeah, calculus...I can't imagine that would be very easy to learn on your own, at all.