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Started by Jenne, December 07, 2006, 03:55:35 AM

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Jenne

Well, and I rarely throw out all uses of social training, anyway.  It has its uses, and everything you learn has a purpose, not all of it terrible, horrible, bad or confining.

LMNO

Bavarian fire drill, for the win.

P3nT4gR4m

Learn to act like them, talk like them, look like like them. Pass yourself off as one of them and the world is your mollusk.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

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LHX

Quote from: triple zero on December 07, 2006, 07:47:55 PM
if people use their freedom to hand over the control, that would be fine, as long as they don't get in the way of others who want to hang on to it.

this is of course a paradox.

perhaps it's the paradox of the Machine. people are inherently free, but some (a lot, in fact) want to hand over the control, and thereby deny others who in fact do want control of their life, to have it.

(that could have been worded more clearly i think, but i hope you get the gist of it)

quote for further investigation -- good post
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AFK

It is a paradox and one I am familiar with.  My parents are devout Baptists and in a perfect world would want me to follow their faith.  My faith, if they were fully aware of it, would scare the ever loving Jesus out of them.  To them it would be crazy talk.  Of course I am an adult now so there is no direct pressure, but as a child I could see where they would want to keep me from following what I consider a path to freedom and they would consider a "path to hell."
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LHX

a lot of people genuinely feel they are doing the right thing
and they will try to enforce it on others


is there anything more terrifying?






i will never be a salesman
neat hell

AFK

I was a salesman, for 8 years.

Hands down the worst job I've ever had.

I don't know how ministers, priests, whatever do it.

I mean, trying to convince someone that buying a $20 keychain light that costs $2 to make made me feel really, really icky.  Especially when the believed me that it was a steal. 

I can understand why some of the old PD regulars got a little spooked when the whole BIP thing started to happen. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Thurnez Isa

most of the atrocities of history are done by people who thought  they were doing the right thing

a lot of time people wont do something unless they are convinced its right

obviously its easy to judge acts after the fact
take something like the crusades, and the atrocities done there - such as ritualistic slaughter
we look at them now hundreds of years later and question "what the hell were they thinking"

well they thought they were doing the right thing for god


PS was a door to door salesman for only a summer- luckily
agree its one of the worst jobs out there
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Abandon all hope, you who enter here.

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LHX

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 08, 2006, 04:07:56 PM
I mean, trying to convince someone that buying a $20 keychain light that costs $2 to make made me feel really, really icky. Especially when the believed me that it was a steal.

I can understand why some of the old PD regulars got a little spooked when the whole BIP thing started to happen.
that right there is the jewel of the whole affair

it pushed us to explore what we were broadcasting

for me personally at least -


now it seems more a matter of pointing things out and exposing people to observations and perspectives that they dont normally have access to

rather than trying to convince them of the Real Truth that Eris is The One True Goddess hail eris hail eris hail eris



but no
seriously


take a city dweller - drop them in the forest - give them a path back to the city that lets them go at their own pace - let them make their own decisions
neat hell

P3nT4gR4m

Your mission - teach the masses not to just blindly accept that what someone tells them is how it is

The paradox - they shouldn't really believe you either

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LHX

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:16:33 PM
Your mission - teach the masses not to just blindly accept that what someone tells them is how it is

The paradox - they shouldn't really believe you either

exactly

so the focus goes from changing somebodys mind to giving them the tools to change their own mind
neat hell

LHX

as well as reason to pick those tools up and put them to use
neat hell

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:16:33 PM
Your mission - teach the masses not to just blindly accept that what someone tells them is how it is

The paradox - they shouldn't really believe you either

exactly

so the focus goes from changing somebodys mind to giving them the tools to change their own mind

Yup. Any other way might make me feel a bit uncomfortable.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 04:19:30 PM
as well as reason to pick those tools up and put them to use

That's starting to get too close to 'championing a cause' IMO

My motive is because it interests me to attempt to do so.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LHX

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:19:56 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:16:33 PM
Your mission - teach the masses not to just blindly accept that what someone tells them is how it is

The paradox - they shouldn't really believe you either

exactly

so the focus goes from changing somebodys mind to giving them the tools to change their own mind

Yup. Any other way might make me feel a bit uncomfortable.

no doubt

Quote from: SillyCybin on December 08, 2006, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: LHX on December 08, 2006, 04:19:30 PM
as well as reason to pick those tools up and put them to use

That's starting to get too close to 'championing a cause' IMO

My motive is because it interests me to attempt to do so.


i see what youre saying

we explored this issue over the past couple of months - and it seems that there is reason to believe that the more people around you are 'free', the more you yourself are free

hypothetically


i am interested to see if that is true
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