Free Will: Necessary Delusion?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Or, you could say that the short term gratification is the social acceptance, and paycheck you receive from working a "normal" job, and the long term would be sufferring in order to do what you actually love.

You could say that. And you could also say the other one. How you see it is the free will choice you get to make. The difference between making an informed descision or acting in accordance with conditioning.

[LMNO]

Meta free will!


Heh.


But yes.  Once you can see what your conditioning is telling you, you can make the choice to go along with it, or not.

It's when you don't see it that you're fucked.

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Once you can see what your conditioning is telling you, you can make the choice to go along with it, or not.

It's when you don't see it that you're fucked.

So you're saying implicitly that we're all fucked part of the time?

[Triple Zero]

Once you can see what your conditioning is telling you, you can make the choice to go along with it, or not.

It's when you don't see it that you're fucked.

So you're saying implicitly that we're all fucked part of the time?

doesn't sound like a half-bad observation to me, actually.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I wonder about the fucked part sometimes. Ignorance actually is bliss. The doors of perception, once opened, can seem like a blessing and a curse at times but until you open them nothings really wrong in the reality you make for yourself.

[Triple Zero]

The doors of perception, once opened, can seem like a blessing and a curse at times but until you open them nothings really wrong in the reality you make for yourself.

hm i'm not sure, look for instance at some of the reasons why people open these doors.

it's not always curiosity, it can also be that they hope there might be something better outside.

some people on these boards would say to them: SUCKERS!

but is that really the case? what if some emo kid who is totally unhappy with himself starts *thinking* for a change, ok so he finds out some horrible troofs, but if he did it right, at least he is no emo kid anymore.

[P3nT4gR4m]

but is that really the case? what if some emo kid who is totally unhappy with himself starts *thinking* for a change, ok so he finds out some horrible troofs, but if he did it right, at least he is no emo kid anymore.

Attachment to ego mostly scares them out of it. Fear of not being 'the real me' after it. Realisation that there is no 'real you' is liberating but how to convince someone that incinerating who they are is a good thing. I can remember being there. Even as a Rebel^tm I was buying into another con. It was by sheer luck, in the form of an unexpected psychological cataclysm, brought on by extreme changes in brain chemistry, that I stumbled through the exit, barely realising it had happened. Otherwise I'd prolly still have been grazing on a Government inc. approved meme diet to this day. Thank god for insanity!

[LMNO]

Once you can see what your conditioning is telling you, you can make the choice to go along with it, or not.

It's when you don't see it that you're fucked.

So you're saying implicitly that we're all fucked part of the time?

doesn't sound like a half-bad observation to me, actually.

Damn straight.  In case you forgot there is no escape from the Black Iron Prison1

Ignorance actually is bliss.

Is false bliss really bliss? 

[Triple Zero]

Ignorance actually is bliss.

Is false bliss really bliss?

is there a difference? can you tell?

[LMNO]

Perhaps from the outside.

I dunno. 



Subjective vs Objective, I guess.


I just don't like the thought of so many Jesus freaks being in a state of bliss, is all.

[Bhode_Sativa]

Ignorance actually is bliss.

Is false bliss really bliss?

is there a difference? can you tell?

Yes.  The answer is here:  http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=d_gilbert

Duration 22:02

I've found lots of interesting things on the tedtalks site.

[Triple Zero]

Duration 22:02

summary please?

(also i can't watch/listen cause i'm at work)

[Bhode_Sativa]

People will be happy with whatever they end up with, however circumstances turn out, because the brain is wired that way.  It is supported by experimental data about various groups being offered Monet prints and their affinity for the one they got versus the one they turned down.  It's really worth a watch, cause I don't do the ideas justice.

[LMNO]

"What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves."

[Bhode_Sativa]

I've gotten about halfway through Prometheus Rising, but I keep forgetting I'm reading it the next day.  Consistency is not my forte.