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I AM NOT READY FOR THE FUTURE

Started by Q. G. Pennyworth, July 06, 2015, 11:50:37 PM

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Faust

Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 20, 2015, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: Faust on July 20, 2015, 07:54:52 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 20, 2015, 03:28:39 AM
On the upside, everyone does say it's really good.

it's a two hour chase scene with implicit storytelling and fun costumes and I loved every second of it.

Everyone says that.  I must slay this film, if I am to be a critic.

Also, it gives me old man cred if I compare it unfavorably to movie #2, sort of like endlessly bitching about "new" Aerosmith.

I watched 2 a week before I went to it, Road Warrior is still my favourite but I preferred Fury Road to Thunderdome and the original film.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Faust on July 20, 2015, 07:57:20 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 19, 2015, 09:33:22 PM
It was the gravity that was raising the water. Lifting two feet of water 200 feet in the air. Aside from the fact that there wasn't enough water on the planet to make a wave that big the gravitational force that was holding up a gazillion tons of water but, at the same time, wasn't affecting the characters , robot or spaceship would, presumably have cancelled out most of the friction effect caused by the sea bed.

Maybe I'm off here. Maybe it was totally realistic but everything about it just stuck me as - get the fuck out of here  :eek:

Nah, the science checks out. Check out this thread: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/101543-Calculating-tidal-forces-(Interstellar)

It doesn't check out too much. They explicitly say the water planet has 2 or 3 times earth gravity. To leave earth they needed a three stage separation rocket, and to leave this place they just fly off with tiny magic hover jets, but as I said, the science isn't the failing point of this film.

It has 1.3 times Earth gravity, but 1.81 Earth density, which means it would need a smaller delta-v to escape, not a larger one. In addition the competing gravitational pull from Gargantua is quite strong and consequently, once airborne, the craft needs little propulsion to enter space.

The physics, as far as I can see, are sound.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Faust

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Faust on July 20, 2015, 07:57:20 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 19, 2015, 09:33:22 PM
It was the gravity that was raising the water. Lifting two feet of water 200 feet in the air. Aside from the fact that there wasn't enough water on the planet to make a wave that big the gravitational force that was holding up a gazillion tons of water but, at the same time, wasn't affecting the characters , robot or spaceship would, presumably have cancelled out most of the friction effect caused by the sea bed.

Maybe I'm off here. Maybe it was totally realistic but everything about it just stuck me as - get the fuck out of here  :eek:

Nah, the science checks out. Check out this thread: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/101543-Calculating-tidal-forces-(Interstellar)

It doesn't check out too much. They explicitly say the water planet has 2 or 3 times earth gravity. To leave earth they needed a three stage separation rocket, and to leave this place they just fly off with tiny magic hover jets, but as I said, the science isn't the failing point of this film.

It has 1.3 times Earth gravity, but 1.81 Earth density, which means it would need a smaller delta-v to escape, not a larger one. In addition the competing gravitational pull from Gargantua is quite strong and consequently, once airborne, the craft needs little propulsion to enter space.

The physics, as far as I can see, are sound.

I stand corrected. I'd heard them say that it had the greater gravity but not the greater density. That's good attention to detail, and it would have been cool if they applied it to the other aspects of the film.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Faust on July 20, 2015, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2015, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: Faust on July 20, 2015, 07:57:20 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 20, 2015, 12:16:26 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 19, 2015, 09:33:22 PM
It was the gravity that was raising the water. Lifting two feet of water 200 feet in the air. Aside from the fact that there wasn't enough water on the planet to make a wave that big the gravitational force that was holding up a gazillion tons of water but, at the same time, wasn't affecting the characters , robot or spaceship would, presumably have cancelled out most of the friction effect caused by the sea bed.

Maybe I'm off here. Maybe it was totally realistic but everything about it just stuck me as - get the fuck out of here  :eek:

Nah, the science checks out. Check out this thread: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/101543-Calculating-tidal-forces-(Interstellar)

It doesn't check out too much. They explicitly say the water planet has 2 or 3 times earth gravity. To leave earth they needed a three stage separation rocket, and to leave this place they just fly off with tiny magic hover jets, but as I said, the science isn't the failing point of this film.

It has 1.3 times Earth gravity, but 1.81 Earth density, which means it would need a smaller delta-v to escape, not a larger one. In addition the competing gravitational pull from Gargantua is quite strong and consequently, once airborne, the craft needs little propulsion to enter space.

The physics, as far as I can see, are sound.

I stand corrected. I'd heard them say that it had the greater gravity but not the greater density. That's good attention to detail, and it would have been cool if they applied it to the other aspects of the film.

Yeah, they hired a physicist to make sure the physics held water. I don't really have an opinion on anything else; I only vaguely remember the plotline.

I'm not exactly what you might call a movie buff.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I'd be curious to hear your criticisms, though, to see whether I noticed them at all (my guess is that I didn't).
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Faust

#50
I'd have to watch it again to give it justification (even for a film I don't like I'd like to keep my criticisms fair) so I'll try keep to what I can remember.

The world is established as failing, with food sources becoming more and more scarce which is a good premise to lead into the space expedition and the body of the film.

From the very beginning, every character is shown in a morose even miserable state, fine, we've established their lives are shit and they are all probably going to die.

After the characters are introduced and the back story is given right up to the end of the film every scene boils down a repetitive cycle of
A sacrifice which hurts loved ones.

What would be cool would be an exploration of their humanity and how the people affected react to that, but every time its the same delivery be it from the beginning of Matthew Mcconaughey leaving his kids, to Michael Cains crying deathbed speech, to Anne Hathaway's husband sacrifice: People start blubbering and crying while the person they are playing off has the stony face.
Every choice in the film is the same, every reaction to the choice is the same.

Michael Cain's deathbed scene and the heavy handed repeated use of "Do not go gentle into that good night", were the parts that killed the movie for me.

I don't mind depressing films, people crying doesn't make me uncomfortable, its that in this case I found it repetitive to the point of killing all suspension of disbelief.

I find it at odds with what they are portraying, with beautifully stunning visuals and a story that boils down to the spirit of exploration and a last hope. The emotional content instead portrays of film of people presented by adversity and completely crushed by it until the deus ex at the end.

Perhaps I am being too picky but I don't think it would have taken much to completely change the tone of the film: one, two at the most scenes of a little gallows humour would have restored the human element of the story for me and to feel a reality to the characters.
Because the alternative, when every character acts the same, is a portrayal of a shitty miserable human race that didn't deserve to colonise another world.
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Cainad (dec.)

The robots were my favorite part of Interstellar, by a wide margin.

hooplala

All Nolan films could use a dash of humor.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

P3nT4gR4m

Can't fault Dark Knight, right enough.

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Q. G. Pennyworth

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on July 20, 2015, 06:57:29 PM
The robots were my favorite part of Interstellar, by a wide margin.

They were the best part. Space porn is nice and all but the robots were the only characters in that movie.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

See, yeah, I don't remember any of those things.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 21, 2015, 01:27:40 AM
See, yeah, I don't remember any of those things.

That's because you were in the theater headed in the other direction.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 21, 2015, 02:37:41 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 21, 2015, 01:27:40 AM
See, yeah, I don't remember any of those things.

That's because you were in the theater headed in the other direction.

:ECH:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


minuspace

It's the cinematic rendition of DD that lacks depth, IMHO
QuoteWith a bit of luck, his life would be ruined forever.

Faust

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 21, 2015, 01:27:40 AM
See, yeah, I don't remember any of those things.

Maybe that's for the best, I mean if you enjoyed it that's the most important thing.
Sleepless nights at the chateau