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I'm planning on attending these rallies up in DC with a few friends. I'll post more information on this as it develops.
What are your thoughts on this, PD?
And more importantly, is anyone else planning on attending?
I think it's hilariously awesome. I also think that Jon and Stephen weren't really playing up the "opposing forces" meme until we invited them to "rival factions", which again, is hilariously awesome.
Guise.
10-30-10
10+30+10=50
:fnord: :fnord: :fnord:
10-30-10= -30
Desperately trying to find a way to go.
Am I the only one who notices that Colbert's poster is just a little bit bigger? That has to be intentional, it's so like him. :lulz:
Quote from: Sigmatic on September 26, 2010, 04:14:39 AM
Am I the only one who notices that Colbert's poster is just a little bit bigger? That has to be intentional, it's so like him. :lulz:
I noticed the same thing when I cross posted them to the board. It's got to be intentional.
They are going to be in DC all week, try postergasming on Friday :fnord:
I do have one problem with Stewart's rally: apparently, if you think President Bush is a war criminal, then he is marching against people just like you.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/jon-stewart-plans-to-rally-against-extremism/
And worse, you're just like the kind of people who think Obama is a socialist. Despite, you know, Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who investigated detainee abuse, declaring unequivocally that the Bush administration committed war crimes, and other documents proving that Bush ordered both legal methods to legitimize torture and the actual torture itself.
Hmm. Well fuck that noise. Extreme things can be true, sometimes. No sense in being moderate about them.
Quote from: Cain on September 27, 2010, 06:58:15 AM
I do have one problem with Stewart's rally: apparently, if you think President Bush is a war criminal, then he is marching against people just like you.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/jon-stewart-plans-to-rally-against-extremism/
And worse, you're just like the kind of people who think Obama is a socialist. Despite, you know, Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who investigated detainee abuse, declaring unequivocally that the Bush administration committed war crimes, and other documents proving that Bush ordered both legal methods to legitimize torture and the actual torture itself.
:facepalm:
why the fuck did Stewart say that shit?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-16-2010/rally-to-restore-sanity
Not what I got out of that clip.
Yeah, he jabs at the truthers, but not at the whole 'bush committed numerous felonies' bit.
Wait, is 9/11 what people think I mean when I call Bush a criminal? I'm not a truther damn it :x
QuoteHe later labeled it a "Million Moderate March." The purpose, he said, is to counter what he called a minority of 15 percent or 20 percent of the country that has dominated the national political discussion with extreme rhetoric. He tarred both parties with that charge, mentioning both the attacks on the right against President Obama for being everything from a socialist to un-American and on the left against former President Bush for being a war criminal.
Looks like a direct fucking comparison to me.
It also ignores the fact that the Truthers, Code Pink and others considered fringe left in America have almost no political representation or power, whereas...well, last week Newt Gingrinch, the former Speaker of the House of Reps, was implying very heavily that Obama is from Kenya, and over 40% of the Republican party believe he is a socialist radical.
DC is only 6-8 sometimes 10 hours away...Oh how I would love to go down there for this.
Quote from: Cain on September 27, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
QuoteHe later labeled it a "Million Moderate March." The purpose, he said, is to counter what he called a minority of 15 percent or 20 percent of the country that has dominated the national political discussion with extreme rhetoric. He tarred both parties with that charge, mentioning both the attacks on the right against President Obama for being everything from a socialist to un-American and on the left against former President Bush for being a war criminal.
Looks like a direct fucking comparison to me.
To be fair, those were NYTimes's words, not Stewart's. At least I couldn't find that pov on his site or in the video clip. He does say you shouldn't compare Bush to Hitler, though
He mostly seems to want people to shout less hyperbole and crazy ideas, regardless whether it's Bush or Obama you wanna call Hitler.
He's not gonna take a stance, he just wants people to shout less.
Which would be fine if both sides were actually in reality both somewhat sensible, but people are hyping it up. Except the problem is, one side is pretty damn bad, and the other flat out horrible.
I like his GOT COMPETENCE? slogan a lot more, TBH.
I heart Jon Stewart, like, A LOT. I'd even have his babbies if he'd ask me, and such a prospect could potentially kill me due to my current state of health.
HARRUMPH
Be that as it may, the tenor of even his little vid clip announcing the rally was a bit, shall we say, OVER THE TOP in calling out "bad behavior"...he even called himself out with his "GO FUCK YOURSELF" dance he's done on his show a few times.
But I do get what he's saying, and he's had a trend of really being "over it" for a while now. I mean, he's REALLY tired and heartsick over how shittily the last couple of years have gone. But then he and Colbert practically cried and were all choked up when Obama won the presidency, so I think he's just really really emotionally invested and needs a barstool over the head.
I think the tack Colbert's taking is much more in line--he's poking fun at the Teabaggers but meanwhile showing that this is actually a pretty serious gag if you want to take it that way. I'm not usually a fan of Colbert OVER Stewart when it comes to schtick, but in this, I have to say I like Colbert's methodology a lot better.
I wish I could go, dammit.
Quote from: Pēleus on September 26, 2010, 09:16:53 AM
They are going to be in DC all week, try postergasming on Friday :fnord:
I'll be doing this, definitely.
Are there any suggestions on which poster sets would be most effective?
I'm thinking that Aleph, Calvinball, and part of Volume Butts would be the best to post around.
I'm also going to try to initiate the largest game of pirate pass-off ever.
American idol jokes about voting. Put up signs to vote for palin on dancing with the stars. Maybe dick jokes
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
Quote from: Pēleus on October 01, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
I am so so so going to attend the rally at Capital Mall. :lulz:
Quote from: Pēleus on October 01, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
The one in Olympia? :lulz:
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 01, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 01, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
The one in Olympia? :lulz:
OH SO FUCKING YES
I am planning on showing up there with signs and looking ALL confused.
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 01, 2010, 07:40:51 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 01, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 01, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
The one in Olympia? :lulz:
OH SO FUCKING YES
I am planning on showing up there with signs and looking ALL confused.
:lulz: I think I might be there all confused as well.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
This has me thinking we should posterize downtown Olympia and advertise the rallies.
I want to mimic the ones from dc as much as possible
Maybe to prevent confusion we could cross out dc and write in State
Quote from: Pēleus on October 02, 2010, 03:01:28 AM
I want to mimic the ones from dc as much as possible
Maybe to prevent confusion we could cross out dc and write in State
Yes
Project wonderful :lulz: (http://www.cafepress.com/grumpiverse/7306664?utm_source=projectwonderful&utm_medium=leaderboard&utm_campaign=PWFearAlive)
LOCATION AND TIME
(http://www.keepfearalive.com/wp-content/themes/keepfearalive/images/Subhead_DateLocation.gif)
INSTRUCTIONS FOR YOU INGRATES ATTENDING
http://www.keepfearalive.com/faq/#gettingthere
COSTUMES FOR FEAR
(VOTE SPOOKY OR DOOKY)
http://www.spookyordooky.com/
SIGNS FOR SANITY
(VOTE SANE OR NOT)
http://www.saneornot.com/
My wife and I will be attending. Anyone want to get together beforehand to put up some posters and make some fun banners?
I intend on having a large FNORD sign.
If any of you spags don't like it, maybe you should have attended.
I had an awesome idea for a sign for the fear march.
"Gay Illegal Immigrants Aborted my Father"
"STOP worrying about money, and
START worrying about the Illuminati"
(http://images1.cliqueclack.com/tv/files/2010/10/community-e-pluribus-anus.jpg)
So while strolling through slate this morning, I found this:
Stay Home!The case against the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear.
By Timothy Noah
http://www.slate.com/id/2271658/
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QuoteSeven people—young relatives and their friends—will stay at my house the weekend of Oct. 30 so they can attend Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's "Rally To Restore Sanity and/or Fear" in Washington, D.C. That breaks my previous political-event-based houseguest record, when three people stayed with me to attend Barack Obama's inauguration. The difference is that the Obama inauguration was an occasion of genuine moment, while the Stewart-Colbert rally is shaping up to be the most successful pseudo-event in American history. I am delighted to host my far-flung loved ones, of whom I never see enough, and I enjoy watching Colbert and Stewart on TV, as I do often with my teenage kids. But I wish these two Comedy Central performers would cancel their rally and stay home.
I have to wonder whether Stewart, at least, is starting to feel the same way. In an Oct. 4 appearance on NPR's Fresh Air (taped Sept. 29 at New York's 92nd St. Y), Stewart became uncharacteristically inarticulate:
Like everything that we do, the march is merely a construct. It's just a format, in the same way that the book [Earth: A Visitor's Guide To The Human Race] is a format. You know, a show is a format, the book is a format, to translate the type of expression that we do, whether it be a satire on the political events, it's a format to be filled with the type of material that Stephen and I do and the point of view. So it's not—you know, people have said it's a rally to counter Glenn Beck. It's not. What it is is, we saw [Beck's Aug. 28 rally in Washington] and thought, what a beautiful outline, what a beautiful structure to fill with what we want to express in live form, festival form.
Stewart went on to say, "It's not meant to ridicule activism or the Tea Party movement or religious people." I'll buy the first assertion and the last—I don't think Stewart is contemptuous of activism or religion per se (and Colbert is said to be a fairly serious Catholic)—but if Stewart doesn't mean to ridicule the Tea Party movement then I am the High Lama of Shangri-La. Stewart is a professional comedian, and ridicule is what he does. He is not a political activist, a point he took pains to emphasize in the Fresh Air interview ("My job is to—again, express our point of view comedically"). He is a satirist.
The distinction between satire and politics isn't always clear on Stewart's and Colbert's shows. Real political advocates and even politicians frequently appear on both. They are willing to subject themselves to good-natured ridicule in the interest of reaching a young audience that gets its news through The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. These programs have also become a highly valued venue for authors looking to promote new books. It's all a bit weird, but it seems to work serviceably as a conveyor belt for political information in a way that, say, HBO's Da Ali G Show never did. Sacha Baron Cohen's hip-hop ignoramus was a brilliant comic creation, but serious political guests had to be deceived into appearing because Cohen/Ali G made them look like fools. Stewart, by contrast, conducts his interviews in at least a semi-serious spirit. (He could be a real journalist if he were willing to take a pay cut.) Colbert, though he does his interviews in character (as a Bill O'Reilly-style blowhard) gives guests sufficient room to make their points, and takes pains to make himself, not his guests, the butt of his jokes. On both The Daily Show and Colbert, guests are actually willing to make repeat appearances.
You can argue, as my friend and mentor Charles Peters does, that the ridicule in Stewart's and Colbert's satire, like the ridicule in much contemporary popular comedy, carries a screw-those-uneducated-yokels message that you never found in, say, the humor of Will Rogers. Rogers once quipped: "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out." At the risk of spoiling a joke by explaining it, Rogers meant: Resist putting on airs. Your urge to judge another man for what he doesn't know says more about your status anxiety than about his purported ignorance. Maybe Stewart would utter a line like that, but if he did, the lesson would likely be intended not for all humanity but for one especially pompous public figure caught in his crosshairs. Stewart and Colbert don't tell their audiences not to feel superior. They're more in line with Rogers' contemporary, the essayist H.L. Mencken, who invited his audience to chortle at the booboisie.
Mencken, Rogers, Stewart, and Colbert were and are all great performers. But of the four, Rogers is the only one I might follow to a rally on the Mall, because Rogers' style is the only one that could form the basis of a movement I'd consider following. (Al Franken is a great performer too, but, tellingly, to become a U.S. senator, he had to give up entirely his slashing "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot" brand of humor.)
The "beautiful structure" Stewart spoke about on Fresh Air is not an open-air free concert but a political rally. The gestalt feels political enough that NPR executives put the event off-limits to anyone who isn't covering it. I believe Stewart when he says he intends this to be just another vehicle for political satire. But I also believe that Stewart, Colbert, and their fans harbor identifiable political convictions. Stewart-Colbertism scorns extremism of all types, but especially conservative extremism, and most especially conservative extremism driven by ignorance or religious fundamentalism. It is mildly critical of liberalism, but mainly for failing to combat conservative bombast more effectively. It endorses, implicitly, whatever liberal consensus has managed to survive these past 30 years, but isn't terribly interested in the details. All this works well as humor, but as a sentiment shouted through a bullhorn to thousands stretched between the U.S. Capitol and the Washington Monument, it will translate into, well, judging other people for what they don't know. It will do so no matter how much everyone laughs. Indeed, the laughter will likely make it worse, because a rally puts its "audience" behind the proscenium; the spectators and the performers are collaborators. A more legitimate (and probably more successful) political impulse would be to try to persuade the unenlightened that you have a better idea. But any such approach would be anathema (indeed, probably disqualifying) for a working comedian, and I feel pretty sure Stewart and Colbert won't attempt it. I'm not sure even Will Rogers could pull it off. (Rogers became in 1926 the first mayor of Beverly Hills, but it was an honorary position, extended in gratitude to his philanthropy.)
There's still a lot we don't fully understand about the Tea Partiers and the political independents who have lost faith in Obama. But one thing we should all be pretty clear on by now is that they hate, hate, hate anything that smacks of elitism. The spectacle of affluent 18-to-34-year-olds blanketing the Mall to snicker at jokes about wingnut ignoramuses and Bible thumpers will, I fear, have the effect of a red cape waved before a bull. Stewart and Colbert aren't supposed to want to affect the midterm elections, and for the most part I believe they don't. But let Republicans regain the House (and maybe even the Senate) in part because Comedy Central used mockery not merely to burlesque political protest but also, to some inevitable extent, to practice it—and I think Stewart and Colbert will be sorry they came. I know I will be.
It isn't too late. Colbert and Stewart should cancel the march, and stick to the excellent gigs they've already got. They are brilliant comedians. They make lousy leaders.
Man, John must have peed in his cheerios.
I see Noah's point, but I think he's more of a whineyass, and the comments after the article were pretty right on. Leave it to the progressives to piss on someone doing something that might make a statement other than ONOZ! THE TEABAGGERS STOLE OUR INITIATIVE WHINE WHINE WHINE
BAM
Last chance for sign ideas.
I could have sworn there was a page about being a cosmic schmuck in the PD but I cannot find it.
I think I'm going with
VOTE
RHINOCEROS
PARTY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party_of_Canada_(1963%E2%80%931993))
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 01, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 01, 2010, 07:40:51 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 01, 2010, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: Pēleus on October 01, 2010, 04:20:38 AM
There's a Capitol Mall on the west coast
:lulz:
The one in Olympia? :lulz:
OH SO FUCKING YES
I am planning on showing up there UNLESS I HAVE AN EXCUSE
:lulz: I think I might be there all confused as well.
coyote if ur going let me know, I can't be there when it opens to get bestbuy to change the channel, but I might have time to get some emperor food and have fun in the mall
http://www.eprestaurant.com/
333pm might easily be done, id need to leave here around oneish so let me know otherwise ill probally just do something local like troll the guy with all the repubicunt yard signs
with a huge banner that says Don't run on me
Maybe make it a orange flag with a coyote eating a snake :lulz:
I have a feeling that while these rallies are going to get some coverage, with the recent terror plot thing, they're not going to be to high up on the radar today.
At least our allies are keeping up the fear campaign
Ya PD.com died on me so I kinda didn't see this until now.
The main problem I have with the rallies is that "civility" isn't the problem with US news and political culture. It's more basic things, like factual reporting and people believing made up bullshit, that is the more fundamental and pressing issue.
Well I was there. Really couldn't see or hear a thing. If there were other Discordians there I wouldn't of been able to tell. It would be like looking for a specific bit of hay in hay stack. The signs and banners were sureal. All somewhat Eris inspired. But the crowds were huge and the loudspeakers sucked and there were only a few small "jumbotrons" that most people couldn't see. People were in their halloween costumes. Everyone who watched it on TV got a much better view of the whole thing. We were stuck in the Metro (DC's subway) going the wrong direction to get to a station that the train's wouldn't be already packed. We ended up there an hour late.
All in all I realized something. My ego just can't take going to a rally to be part of the masses. This was my first rally (and probably my last) and I went as if I was going to a concert or some such entertainment event. I wanted to see a show and having worked in AV most of my working life I was used to the idea of putting on a show and making it so people could see and hear that show. That wasn't what this was about and I shouldn't of expected that. This was about getting as many people in one place as possable to make a point to everyone else not there. It wan't that the show was there for me (and everyone else there) the masses were there as part of the show for the rest of the country. Like I said, my ego didn't like that very much. I still don't know what happened on stage or what was said.
ah that sucks! sorry to hear. Do you think the rally accomplished its goal?
Huh. I think, Krez, you should send The Daily Show and Colbert Report your observations, then. I mean, they made a big deal at the end of their "show"/rally that they'd tried hard to make it worth your time, effort and money to come to see them live...and the fact that this wasn't in actuality the case is a sad testament to blowhardness. Not that I think that was intentional. I have to admit I found the schtick a little canned and that it looked slapped together at the last second, some of it.
But I do think Stewart and Colbert had great intentions of proving the silent majority wanted what a new NBC (or was it ABC) poll showed: 85% of the country wants Dems and Republicans to work together, even if it means putting down the weaponry and not standing on principle.
Too bad the voters and the districts that are now drawn up have left all moderates that have run in the past and are now in the race of their careers basically extinct. The House and the Senate are going to be even more factionalized than ever before. WAY TO GO AMERICA!
The Repubs and Dems are working together: to shaft everyone else. There is a consensus on foreign policy, more or less. There is a consensus on counter-terrorism, more or less. There is a consensus on the power of the executive office, more or less. And while the Teabaggers and some malcontents in the House may whine, there was a consensus on the bailouts.
You know, it's almost like there is a pattern to this...
It was a series of technical issues and not understanding the best way to put on a live show. It appeared to me that they had TV producers doing the planning when they should of hired some big time rock show producers. If they hires the same people that produced Obama's Inaguration they would of done a better job, technicaly. But I had to realize that it was a rally and not a show. Think about MLK's speach on the mall many years ago. They didn't have "jumbotrons" or line aray speakers. they had bull horns and bigger crowds. It isn't about the show.
So, how did the rally go? I was hanging out with perverts and took the weekend off from politics.
I don't think we will know until after the election. and even then we probably still won't know. For me it was just one big crowd.
Quote from: Krez on November 01, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
It was a series of technical issues and not understanding the best way to put on a live show. It appeared to me that they had TV producers doing the planning when they should of hired some big time rock show producers. If they hires the same people that produced Obama's Inaguration they would of done a better job, technicaly. But I had to realize that it was a rally and not a show. Think about MLK's speach on the mall many years ago. They didn't have "jumbotrons" or line aray speakers. they had bull horns and bigger crowds. It isn't about the show.
I heard that as well.
Quote from: Krez on November 01, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
I don't think we will know until after the election. and even then we probably still won't know. For me it was just one big crowd.
How big?
Big enough that when we finally got to the Judiciary square metro stop there were people crowding at least a block away trying to either get to a point where they could see something or get out of the mass of people. I have no way of telling really. When we went around back we were able to get a little closer on that side but still couldn't get onto the mall.
I wonder if it beat the size of beck's rally
Quote from: Cramulus on November 01, 2010, 05:18:14 PM
I wonder if it beat the size of beck's rally
From HuffPo:
QuoteAccording to CBS News, 215,000 people showed up for the rally on Saturday. By comparison, CBS estimated that 87,000 -- just 40% of the Sanity Rally estimation -- attended Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally in August.
Canada's CTV, meanwhile, wrote that 250,000 people were estimated to have partaken in the Rally to Restore Sanity.
Earlier on Saturday, Brian Stelter tweeted that the Parks Service approximated that "well over 200,000" attended Saturday's rally.
Even with some media banning their employees from attending, by the tv overview you can tell this one was larger. Beck's there was empty spaces near the pool every now and then. This one just had the green field infront of congress where you could see the floor. And the park service opened that too later in the afternoon.
Quote from: Krez on November 01, 2010, 02:45:49 PM
Well I was there. Really couldn't see or hear a thing. If there were other Discordians there I wouldn't of been able to tell. It would be like looking for a specific bit of hay in hay stack. The signs and banners were sureal. All somewhat Eris inspired. But the crowds were huge and the loudspeakers sucked and there were only a few small "jumbotrons" that most people couldn't see. People were in their halloween costumes. Everyone who watched it on TV got a much better view of the whole thing.
That's why instead of going to seattle, where there was a mini rally at westlake, I attempted something else. That Or find a way to have fun with the crowds like the mythbusters
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-100-best-signs-at-the-rally-to-restore-sanity
Some excerpts:
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LOLZiest Rally ever.
It looks like it was worth going to if only for the signage.
Also, in the third to last picture: "consitusion," sounds like some sort of injury...
:lulz:
I liked the Arizonan wearing the Welsh Flag carrying the F.A.R.T. sign, and the 'suck it up i'm 4 and even I get the concept' ones. Among others.