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[Triple Zero]

It's the busy-ness of Tarot that runs things off the rails. Too many choices in the interpretation.

With playing cards you have a pretty straight meaning, like the Ace of Spades being bad. In Tarot you can read the Ace of Swords as anything from the beginning of a conflict to divine inspiration.

That's what I liked about it, also I thought that was the whole deal with divination, otherwise sometimes a card simply won't "fit" any story at all.

I mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes, decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE ).

I think Eden Gray said the fish was an idea. It's still stupid.

I read that it was meant as a secret, as in "I (the Page) know why I have a fish in my cup, you don't, neener-neener".

I prefer that explanation

With playing cards, you don't worry about Sephiroth, elemental dignities, or any of that. It's pretty straightforward number and suit, sometimes with the pattern the spots make, like the 6's resembling a path.

ok that's how I always understood it, basically as a "proxy" Tarot deck. I actually knew there were other ways of interpreting them, I just thought cross-referencing it with the Sephiroth and the elements felt more "elegant".

I never heard of Lenormand, btw. Do you have a link or should I just Wikipedia it? Divination techniques intrigue me.

Lenormand is awesome, I hardly touch anything else since I started using it. The cards have a single image, like a Dog, House, or whatever, and a playing card inset that everybody ignores unless it's a face card. Then it can represent a person, even if the card image is Lilies or Crossroads.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080914115850/http://36cards.wordpress.com/lenormand-card-meanings/

You read it by combinations and context. I'm surprised you don't know it, there's a whole Dutch school of Lenormand. Their meanings are slightly different, they use the Moon for a "work" card (I use the Anchor).

It comes from a German game called "The Game of Hope", btw, not Mlle. Lenormand.
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3145089&partid=1&output=Terms%2F%21%21%2FOR%2F%21%21%2F1516%2F%21%2F%2F%21%2Fletterpress%2F%21%2F%2F%21%21%2F%2F%21%21%21%2F&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_collection_database%2Fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=3&numpages=10

Very cool! I'm gonna read that later.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

It's the busy-ness of Tarot that runs things off the rails. Too many choices in the interpretation.

With playing cards you have a pretty straight meaning, like the Ace of Spades being bad. In Tarot you can read the Ace of Swords as anything from the beginning of a conflict to divine inspiration.

That's what I liked about it, also I thought that was the whole deal with divination, otherwise sometimes a card simply won't "fit" any story at all.

I think Tarot is more visual. You can look at the III of Wands and go "Hmmm, water, ocean, question about a sick cat, your cat needs fish oil" or some such.

Traditional Lenormand and cartomancy are more verbal, and you're usually reading combinations rather than a spread with set named positions like the Celtic Cross. So you mentally run through your keywords and find the ones that fit the question.

I mean it's pretty easy once you've decided (yes, decided) which playing card suits correspond to which tarot suits (and elements, and any correspondence of four) and if you've studied the Sefiroth a bit (there's 10 of em and they do tend to line up roughly with the numbers in the Minor Arcana) combining those works wonders, but it's still just one trick while the Tarot cards have tens of tiny bits of symbolism worked in all the pictures (fucking Page of Cups with his fish ... WHY DO YOU HAVE A FISH IN YOUR CUP IT MAKES NO SENSE ).

I think Eden Gray said the fish was an idea. It's still stupid.

I read that it was meant as a secret, as in "I (the Page) know why I have a fish in my cup, you don't, neener-neener".

I prefer that explanation

Anything with neener-neener is great. 
And if you want more Lenormand links, just let me know. I've got tons of them.