Aya

[P3nT4gR4m]

What is this self-indulgent shit?

Nobody cares about science anymore.

DRUGS R MORE BETTER.  THERE'S FAIRIES AND CRONES.

SCIENCE DON'T KNOW NOTHING, TAKING DRUGS IS CONSCIOUSNESS ENGINEERING THAT GOES BACK FOREVS.

I am fascinated by Holist's aversion to actual science.

I'm kind of fascinated by the totally dismissive response to my attempt at participating, like "oh so research has found the mechanisms by which certain hallucinogens can help rewire debilitating physical responses to traumatic memories? Oh, well, that's all theoretical, I'ma talk about subjective experiences through my cultural filter".

I was like, this is interesting and I know something about it, but apparently what I find fascinating about it is completely invalid because maiden mother and crone. Which surely can't be experiences that are the result of reframing experiences in a vulnerably plastic brain in light of a particular cultural background, it must be some glorious Universal Truth, because fuck science what does it know anyway.

Besides, doing a ton of hallucinogens at 17 makes you Forever Wise. You can just stop, secure in the knowledge that you had universal enlightenment, and never try again.

This is why I'm saying we're outside the remit of science. Consciousness is an entirely subjective experience. Your scientific interest is like someone watching people skateboard and then jumping in the conversation with a whole bunch of fancy words that explain how the wheels go round.

That's all good and well but a bunch of skaters were talking about grinding the lip. No we're not scientists but we somehow had still managed to figure out the wheels went round. Of course for a scientist, this claim is preposterous. How could we possibly know this? I bet we didn't know there were four of them, tho, right? Brand new studies have only just discovered this. We couldn't possibly know that.

[LMNO]

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

From an OP about ayahuasca? How the fuck did we manage to derail it onto drugs? 

[LMNO]

 

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Salvia isnt a very good babbys first psychadelic. Ive yet to have a "good" trip on it, and from what I gather from around the internets there really isnt a good trip to have on it, just a not as pants shittingly horrifying one.

I agree. It's a thrill-seekers trip. You definitely have to have an acquired taste for WHOOOOOAAAOAOOAOAOOFUUUUCK.

If given my druthers, I'd just as soon do nitrous though. It's a lot more consistent and has roughly the same effect on me.

[hooplala]

Salvia was a hoot. There's a thread around about it somewhere.

Either "Or Kill Me" or "Literate", I think.

[hooplala]

Hehe, it got moved to a The Peanut Gallery:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10329.0

[Doktor Howl]

.Although I don't think it is the only thing worth caring about, I do care about science. A lot. In fact I am beginning to suspect I care about it a great deal more than either of you.

You suspect wrong.  Everything you propose is anti-rational.  Not irrational, anti-rational.  Homeopathy.  Trotting out Harmine (Ayauasca) AGAIN (like every other bliss ninny since the 60s) like it's something new...And then Brushing Nigel aside when she mentions that there's an actual component of hallucinagenics that might have an ACTUAL medical application.

Questioning previous scientific conclusions is good, but first you kind of have to learn the science involved.

But that takes work, and that's not why you're here.

[Doktor Howl]

.If youre too lazy to grow shrooms then just brew up some morning glory tea.   

http://azarius.net/encyclopedia/5/Morning_Glory_Ipomoea_violacea/

None for me, thanks.   

[Doktor Howl]

This whole mess is sort of a reverse-RWHN thing.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Thanks, I'm glad that my effort to participate wasn't universally seen as a worthless derail. As someone who uses drugs as well as studies them I find it fascinating to understand the mechanisms behind the experiences, because that helps inform me in how to get the most out of the experiences. Understanding how a tool works helps us to use it better.

I found salvia kind of boring, honestly, and I've done it a bunch of times. It was just like being me, only more so. I remember having some epiphany about masturbation, but I forget what it was.

For reducing negative thought patterns, though, mushrooms are awesome IME.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was interested in the science. I mean if you're gonna fuck around with your headmeats, might as well have an idea of what you're doing to it, right? I've found this thread really helpful in that regard as i've been wondering if a psychedelic experience might be good for me. I have a bunch of negative thought patterns sometimes and I've been thinking that a trip like that might be enough to help rewire some of that fucked up thinking. I've only ever messed with pot, which unless its the right strain, will put me right to sleep, and the one time i took Welbutrin, which just made my head hurt. Salvia looks manageable and might do the trick, though some people tell me all it does is cause ten seconds of pins-and-needles sensation.

Salvia isnt a very good babbys first psychadelic. Ive yet to have a "good" trip on it, and from what I gather from around the internets there really isnt a good trip to have on it, just a not as pants shittingly horrifying one. Not that it wasnt useful, insightful ect, its just you want to stretch out your mental sphincter a bit before you tackle it. Psilocybin sounds like what youre looking for. If youre too lazy to grow shrooms then just brew up some morning glory tea.   

Morning glory? Why not go straight for datura?

That reminds me that there's a beautiful datura next to the bike path at South Waterfront, I have a pocketful of seeds in one of my jackets around here somewhere (for planting, not eating).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The constant hostility and strawmanbuilding really does grind. I tell you about impressions I gathered during a pretty fucking freaky profound trip, you infer my attitude towards science and my world view. That is so unscientific, Woman-who-has-yo-justify-herself-all-the-time and Underappreciated-man-who-has-found-solace-in-grump! Although I don't think it is the only thing worth caring about, I do care about science. A lot. In fact I am beginning to suspect I care about it a great deal more than either of you.

Aw, look at that mean streak surface! I was mostly talking about P3nt, who I am mildly fond of even though he's about as bright as a pile of toenail clippings and twice as rational, but if you want to take my posts to be about you, just go to town, lil' fella. Don't let the fact that I've been grinding along here for months talking to you like a real human being and trying to get everyone to be nice to you slow you down.

[LMNO]

Seriously Nigel, why do you have to yo-justify-herself?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Seriously Nigel, why do you have to yo-justify-herself?

I've been trying to decipher that. Is yo-justify like yogurt?

I think it was an attempt to jab at my aversion to unsolicited advice, but I am not sure that "justify" means what he thinks it means.