Jazz: srs fucking business

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Jazz is much too large for anybody to make generalizations about it.  Doing so is ignorant, and besides: from a pragmatic standpoint, jazz is insanely forward-thinking, and was the driving musical force of the 20th century. So nay, he who defiles its name.

I hate jazz, because it sounds like crap. My ass makes more pleasing sounds. When I'm sick.

[East Coast Hustle]

Jazz is much too large for anybody to make generalizations about it.  Doing so is ignorant, and besides: from a pragmatic standpoint, jazz is insanely forward-thinking, and was the driving musical force of the 20th century. So nay, he who defiles its name.

I hate jazz, because it sounds like crap. My ass makes more pleasing sounds. When I'm sick.

IAWTC.

[ThisIsMyName.StopAsking]

Jazz is much too large for anybody to make generalizations about it.  Doing so is ignorant, and besides: from a pragmatic standpoint, jazz is insanely forward-thinking, and was the driving musical force of the 20th century. So nay, he who defiles its name.

I hate jazz, because it sounds like crap. My ass makes more pleasing sounds. When I'm sick.

Well if we're doing an opinion posts, that's fine and dandy.  You may hate it all you like.  I was just pointing out, from a logical standpoint, that jazz's music theory is on a higher level of thinking than a lot of music.  But other music's also good, of course. I know, this is where I shut up. 

[East Coast Hustle]

I was just pointing out, from a logical standpoint, that jazz's music theory is on a higher level of thinking than a lot of music.

that seems like an opinion, if you ask me.

also, it can be on a higher level of whatever it wants, it's still noodly wanking crap with an overwrought aversion to melody and song structure.

that's MY opinion.

[East Coast Hustle]

I bet you listen to NPR and smoke clove cigarettes.

[East Coast Hustle]

and drive a Volvo.

[P3nT4gR4m]

If you push a piano down a flight of stairs it plays jazz. Not rock, not boogie woogie, not classical but jazz. That should tell you all you need to know about fucking jazz and it's tenuous connection to music

[ThisIsMyName.StopAsking]

and drive a Volvo.

1. I don't know what NPR or cloves are.
2. I'm 15, and music is about the only thing I excel at
3. Embarrassed to say, my old man has a volvo.  But I don't drive it.

Also, I know I'm biased because I like jazz, and I'll admit, some types of it suck.  But jazz is a higher level by fact*: 1. Jazz integrates complex chord structures, including altered keys and some chords up to 13ths.  2. Jazz's instrumentation, though previously used, used its instruments in a new context.  

   *There is still a tad of opinion left within this; if these things aren't enough to convince you, that's fine too.  I don't really care, I'm just pointing out, I personally WILL NOT drive a volvo.

[East Coast Hustle]

jazz is a higher level by fact*: 1. Jazz integrates complex chord structures, including altered keys and some chords up to 13ths.  2. Jazz's instrumentation, though previously used, used its instruments in a new context. 

    *There is still a tad of opinion left within this; if these things aren't enough to convince you, that's fine too.  I don't really care, I'm just pointing out, I personally WILL NOT drive a volvo.

1. these are qualities (and I use the term loosely) that are not unique to jazz. Go listen to some Dream Theater. Not that they're all that good, but they're not jazz either.

2. Fine, then you'll drive a Prius.

[Eater of Clowns]

jazz is a higher level by fact*: 1. Jazz integrates complex chord structures, including altered keys and some chords up to 13ths.  2. Jazz's instrumentation, though previously used, used its instruments in a new context. 

    *There is still a tad of opinion left within this; if these things aren't enough to convince you, that's fine too.  I don't really care, I'm just pointing out, I personally WILL NOT drive a volvo.

1. these are qualities (and I use the term loosely) that are not unique to jazz. Go listen to some Dream Theater. Not that they're all that good, but they're not jazz either.

2. Fine, then you'll drive a Prius.

Or a Subaru Outback.

[ThisIsMyName.StopAsking]

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jazz is a higher level by fact*: 1. Jazz integrates complex chord structures, including altered keys and some chords up to 13ths.  2. Jazz's instrumentation, though previously used, used its instruments in a new context. 

    *There is still a tad of opinion left within this; if these things aren't enough to convince you, that's fine too.  I don't really care, I'm just pointing out, I personally WILL NOT drive a volvo.

1. these are qualities (and I use the term loosely) that are not unique to jazz. Go listen to some Dream Theater. Not that they're all that good, but they're not jazz either.

2. Fine, then you'll drive a Prius.

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And yes, good observation: There is good music other than jazz. Wow. And yes, music that came after jazz started also has some things that jazz has, too. Double wow.  And I don't even drive yet, so it doesn't even matter.

Overall, I'd like to make this resolution: I think that, though many people dislike jazz nowadays, it was very contemporary in its time and still holds musical superiority to many types of music out there (Disney-processed crap, rap [which supposedly stems from jazz], etc.)  A lot of this is just opinion, again. additionally, what type of car I will end up driving is inconsequential to this topic. Bleck .

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

and drive a Volvo.

Heyyyy now.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

2. Fine, then you'll drive a Prius.

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OK, this I can get behind.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

"Jazz holds moral superiority"

[ThisIsMyName.StopAsking]

Ok, I get it: I'm kind of a fag. And it's musical superiority, not moral.  But my point holds its validity.