Unlimited Ferguson Thread of police state nightmare fuel.

[Enrico Salazar]

More and more, days after days, this countrys feel like Enrico is homes again.

[Cain]

A couple of perspectives on Ferguson:

http://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2014/11/ferguson-problem-isnt-black-people.html
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2014/11/25/racism-is-asphalt-racism-is-a-bullet/

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

A couple of perspectives on Ferguson:

http://chinamatters.blogspot.com/2014/11/ferguson-problem-isnt-black-people.html
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
http://fredrikdeboer.com/2014/11/25/racism-is-asphalt-racism-is-a-bullet/

Thanks for these, Cain.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That second one is fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. I do wish his lit review on search and arrest rates had some studies from more varied regions (particularly the West Coast) and included more data from within the last twenty years, though; I am curious about whether that data simply isn't available, and if so, why.

[Cain]

It might be paywalled.  I think he has access to some journals, due to his work as a psychiatrist, but probably not the sort of access one would get with a University account or so on.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It might be paywalled.  I think he has access to some journals, due to his work as a psychiatrist, but probably not the sort of access one would get with a University account or so on.

Oh, gotcha. That's unfortunate, because I would really like to see what the analysis would look like after the police force in the US became so heavily militarized and the prison systems so much more monetized.

[Bruno]

Oh, yay. Here come the cavalry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/us/on-rooftops-of-ferguson-volunteers-with-guns.html?_r=0

At least this guy was aware that he needed to include a "No Racists" clause in his request for help. I guess they'll just have to start their own party.

I'm hoping this somehow leads to aerial drone combat between Oathkeepers and Anonymous.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, yay. Here come the cavalry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/us/on-rooftops-of-ferguson-volunteers-with-guns.html?_r=0

At least this guy was aware that he needed to include a "No Racists" clause in his request for help. I guess they'll just have to start their own party.

I'm hoping this somehow leads to aerial drone combat between Oathkeepers and Anonymous.

Oh, the irony:

we have a moral obligation to protect the weakest among us.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, the irony:

we have a moral obligation to protect the weakest among us.

I don't think he meant Black people.

[Doktor Howl]

The real irony here is that the Oathkeepers are bumping heads with the cops, but are on speaking terms with the protestors.

And the police seem more than a little butthurt that the public seems to trust the Oathkeepers more than the (nonexistent) trust they have for the police.

Don't get me wrong.  This isn't a good thing; it's just another failure of the infrastructure, of the same type (though smaller than) the K-Hole.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, the irony:

we have a moral obligation to protect the weakest among us.

I don't think he meant Black people.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

i feel kinda ambivalent about the Oathkeeper situation. I like the idea of them, but their organization smells a little too much like a bunch of gun clubs got together and decided to play a game of chicken with Big Brother. Waiting to see how this plays out.

[Cain]

The real irony here is that the Oathkeepers are bumping heads with the cops, but are on speaking terms with the protestors.

And the police seem more than a little butthurt that the public seems to trust the Oathkeepers more than the (nonexistent) trust they have for the police.

Don't get me wrong.  This isn't a good thing; it's just another failure of the infrastructure, of the same type (though smaller than) the K-Hole.

I've been hearing similar things about the churches in Ferguson.

Of course, the churches have also managed this feat without guns, but either way, it's not a good sign for local government.

[Doktor Howl]

The real irony here is that the Oathkeepers are bumping heads with the cops, but are on speaking terms with the protestors.

And the police seem more than a little butthurt that the public seems to trust the Oathkeepers more than the (nonexistent) trust they have for the police.

Don't get me wrong.  This isn't a good thing; it's just another failure of the infrastructure, of the same type (though smaller than) the K-Hole.

I've been hearing similar things about the churches in Ferguson.

Of course, the churches have also managed this feat without guns, but either way, it's not a good sign for local government.

Nope.  Or, in this case (as in the K-Hole), state government.

[LMNO]