Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 04:44:30 AM

Title: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 04:44:30 AM
Cause if I don't make a place to put all this stuff Arizona is gonna gum up the whole board.

The latest?
Quote
PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/house-oks-birther-bill-4-19-2010
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:45:43 AM
 :lulz:

Today, Barack stated that AZ will put Access back, or lose ALL federal funding.  They put it back.

This must be payback.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 04:49:25 AM
Access to what?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 22, 2010, 04:55:21 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 04:49:25 AM
Access to what?

Access is our state insurance plan for poor folks, and most especially their kids.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 22, 2010, 05:09:16 AM
AHCCCS, pronounced "access"

Really, he did? I'm pretty sure that's awesome, considering my monkey and I are both on it. I'm pretty cool with Obama at the moment, now. :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 06:13:59 AM
I'd also like to point out that the ads on FoxPhoenix's website are the kind of horrid shit I expect when I'm on the worst  parts of the internet.  Penny Stocks, seriously?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 24, 2010, 04:22:45 AM
QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., closed down his Tucson and Yuma district offices Friday afternoon, after a man called the Tucson office twice threatening to "come in there and blow everybody's head off," and then go to the U.S.-Mexico border to "shoot any Mexicans that try to come across," an aide says.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/04/23/raul_grijalva_closes_office_due_to_threats
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on April 24, 2010, 04:40:22 AM
Yeah, so the Governor signed the immigration reform law today.  And it is really precious that she thinks she will head of racial profiling by issuing an executive order to put together a training manual.  Nobody reads training manuals. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on April 24, 2010, 04:45:22 AM
FUCK HER.

I hope she loses the "Hispanic Vote" and all the other "Hispanic Voters" vote AGAINST the GOP EVERYWHERE.

This is the kind of shit that happens in bad economic times.  Blaming the immigrants.  Illegal and otherwise.

LIKE WE ALL ORGINATED HERE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on April 24, 2010, 04:48:01 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 22, 2010, 04:44:30 AM
Cause if I don't make a place to put all this stuff Arizona is gonna gum up the whole board.

The latest?
Quote
PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/house-oks-birther-bill-4-19-2010

So...Arizona...the NEW Texas?  New Florida?

Or :?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 24, 2010, 05:10:25 AM
New Germany.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Reginald Ret on April 24, 2010, 07:18:41 AM
You would think people knew that the kind of people who immigrate (brave and active go-getters) are good for teh economy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on April 24, 2010, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Regret on April 24, 2010, 07:18:41 AM
You would think people knew that the kind of people who immigrate (brave and active go-getters) are good for teh economy.
But.. but... THEY TOOK OUR JERBS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls)!!!1!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
I love this state.  Well, South of Picacho, anyway.

Only a place as wretched as Picacho would be able to stop the avalanche of evil that comes from Phoenix and Tempe.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.

But I need my eyes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:19:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.

But I need my eyes.

Hence the "/from your pov" ... ;)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:19:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.

But I need my eyes.

Hence the "/from your pov" ... ;)

Well, I've been trying to do that.  You'll have to come see for yourself.

Remember the 21 day rule.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 26, 2010, 04:22:05 AM
http://www.azfamily.com/video/featured-videos/Man-says-he-was-racially-targeted-forced-to-provide-birth-certificate-91769419.html

The open racism has officially stared, a truck driver was arrested for not having a birth certificate with him.

Note that the date on the article is *before* the bill was signed into law.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on April 27, 2010, 02:06:39 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:19:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.

But I need my eyes.

Hence the "/from your pov" ... ;)

Well, I've been trying to do that.  You'll have to come see for yourself.

Remember the 21 day rule.

You'll have to restate, but I getcher meaning.  And that's why I wanna do it.  I've BEEN to Phoenix and Tempe.  Twice.  Lived to tell about it.  And that's about it...it was Hell while it lasted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 27, 2010, 02:50:47 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 27, 2010, 02:06:39 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:19:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 26, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 26, 2010, 02:16:28 AM
Rog, one of these DAYS I want to see AZ with your eyes/from your pov.  I think that would do me some good.

But I need my eyes.

Hence the "/from your pov" ... ;)

Well, I've been trying to do that.  You'll have to come see for yourself.

Remember the 21 day rule.

You'll have to restate, but I getcher meaning.  And that's why I wanna do it.  I've BEEN to Phoenix and Tempe.  Twice.  Lived to tell about it.  And that's about it...it was Hell while it lasted.

That's because they have no souls there.  We have souls, but no fucking brains.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on April 27, 2010, 06:46:51 AM
HAW HAW! You guys are redneckerier than Florida!

GOOD JOB ASSHOLES!!


:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 27, 2010, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on April 27, 2010, 06:46:51 AM
HAW HAW! You guys are redneckerier than Florida!

GOOD JOB ASSHOLES!!


:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:


:lulz:

Check your voicemail from yesterday.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on April 27, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
I did! It was GREAT!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on April 28, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Say good bye to tourism, AZ

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2767709820100427

QuoteOpponents of the state immigration law, the toughest on the books in the United States, urged travelers to avoid the tourism-dependent Grand Canyon state and for business groups and other organizations to hold their conventions elsewhere.

The Arizona Hotel and Lodging Association said six organizations had canceled conventions in the state, including the 11,000-member Immigration Lawyers Association, which had planned to hold its annual fall meeting in Scottsdale.

"There is widespread indignation not only in Arizona but throughout the country, and where people are under siege, they will look for ways to fight back," said Pablo Alvarado, executive director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network.

Your state is going to be bankrupt by Friday, Dok!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on April 28, 2010, 02:00:21 AM
Say good bye to tourism, AZ

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2767709820100427

QuoteOpponents of the state immigration law, the toughest on the books in the United States, urged travelers to avoid the tourism-dependent Grand Canyon state and for business groups and other organizations to hold their conventions elsewhere.

The Arizona Hotel and Lodging Association said six organizations had canceled conventions in the state, including the 11,000-member Immigration Lawyers Association, which had planned to hold its annual fall meeting in Scottsdale.

"There is widespread indignation not only in Arizona but throughout the country, and where people are under siege, they will look for ways to fight back," said Pablo Alvarado, executive director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network.

Your state is going to be bankrupt by Friday, Dok!!!

It was bankrupt last fall, dude.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.

:horrormirth:

I wonder what'll happen to the gem show next year.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:32:35 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.

:horrormirth:

I wonder what'll happen to the gem show next year.

Yeah.  I wonder.  50,000 foreigners worrying about whether their papers are in order?

Good fucking luck.  They'll move it to Albaquerque.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:

Hahahaha!  YOU CANNOT CLOSE THE REDNECK GAP!  WE ARE UNTOUCHABLE!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:35:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:32:35 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.

:horrormirth:

I wonder what'll happen to the gem show next year.

Yeah.  I wonder.  50,000 foreigners worrying about whether their papers are in order?

Good fucking luck.  They'll move it to Albaquerque.

Yep. :kingmeh: This is one of the funniest(?) things to happen in AZ since I've started paying attention.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:36:51 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:35:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:32:35 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.

:horrormirth:

I wonder what'll happen to the gem show next year.

Yeah.  I wonder.  50,000 foreigners worrying about whether their papers are in order?

Good fucking luck.  They'll move it to Albaquerque.

Yep. :kingmeh: This is one of the funniest(?) things to happen in AZ since I've started paying attention.

Betcha it gets funnier between now and Brewer's next election.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:38:19 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:33:55 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:

Hahahaha!  YOU CANNOT CLOSE THE REDNECK GAP!  WE ARE UNTOUCHABLE!

Hopefully the potential impact on tourism will nix it.

On the other hand, apparently the GOP wants to replace Bob Bennet with Jason Chaffetz, the guy who thinks concentration camps for illegals is A-OK.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:38:36 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:36:51 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:35:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:32:35 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on April 28, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Sheriff Joe is going to come under fire for this, if only because he's screwing with the economy.

Here's hoping, anyway.

Keep dreaming.  He's a religious figure around here.  Rednecks fuck in his shadow to ensure conception.

:horrormirth:

I wonder what'll happen to the gem show next year.

Yeah.  I wonder.  50,000 foreigners worrying about whether their papers are in order?

Good fucking luck.  They'll move it to Albaquerque.

Yep. :kingmeh: This is one of the funniest(?) things to happen in AZ since I've started paying attention.

Betcha it gets funnier between now and Brewer's next election.

I might make silly decisions based solely on the improbability of a thing happening, but I won't take a bet AGAINST a sure thing, Dok. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on April 28, 2010, 02:44:55 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:

I predict a strong correlation between states that adopt similar laws and states who are suing to make Health Care Reform unconstitutional. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 02:47:25 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 28, 2010, 02:44:55 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:

I predict a strong correlation between states that adopt similar laws and states who are suing to make Health Care Reform unconstitutional. 

Ya think?   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 28, 2010, 03:32:45 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:33:02 AM
Oh hey, some asshole legislator in utah wants to copy that immigration bill now.


:facepalm:
I'm actually surprised at this.  Not that its being done but that its not Butters suggesting it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 28, 2010, 03:39:19 AM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 02:38:19 AM
On the other hand, apparently the GOP wants to replace Bob Bennet with Jason Chaffetz, the guy who thinks concentration camps for illegals is A-OK.

We may as well, the GOP will make that the party line soon, and its not like Bennet is ever going to buck the party.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on April 28, 2010, 07:15:01 AM
I misread the article actually, they want to dump Bennet for some other asshole and keep Chaffetz cause he's cozy with the teabaggers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
Dok, I think I've caught whatever you've got, I can't even bring myself to be pissed off over this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 28, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Vene on April 28, 2010, 10:41:01 PM
Dok, I think I've caught whatever you've got, I can't even bring myself to be pissed off over this.

Get mad at the sun for rising.  They're only ignorant rednecks, they don't actually have a choice in how they act.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 29, 2010, 03:04:21 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 26, 2010, 04:22:05 AM
http://www.azfamily.com/video/featured-videos/Man-says-he-was-racially-targeted-forced-to-provide-birth-certificate-91769419.html

The open racism has officially stared, a truck driver was arrested for not having a birth certificate with him.

Note that the date on the article is *before* the bill was signed into law.

Hahahahaha

QuoteA representative at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) returned 3TV's calls after researching the incident and she said this was standard operating procedure.
The agents needed to verify Abdon was in the country legally and it is not uncommon to ask for someone's birth certificate.  She also said this has nothing to do with the proposed bill or racial profiling.

Yep. It's officially begun.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on April 29, 2010, 05:05:44 AM
This shit actually kinda fucking scares me.



a little
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on May 01, 2010, 09:01:03 PM
More  :lulz:

QuoteThe Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.
linky (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575213883276427528.html)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 01, 2010, 11:56:11 PM
Oh my fucking god

There are whole TOWNS in AZ where the primary language is Spanish because IT'S BEEN SPANISH FOR CENTURIES. WTF WTF WTF.

How is this even legal?

Also, my kids' science teacher speaks with a heavy German accent... as does my friend R, a very respected biochemist. Should they be prohibited from teaching? That's just fucking stupid.

Richard Feynman had a heavy Boston accent, maybe he should have been banned from teaching.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 02, 2010, 12:00:33 AM
Holy shit  :lulz:

Wait, whose going to teach the ESL classes if people that actually speak Spanish aren't allowed to talk to the kids that don't know a word of English?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on May 02, 2010, 12:10:14 AM
Quote
Bertroche said, when referring to illegal immigrants, that "We should catch 'em, we should document 'em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going. I actually support microchipping them. I can microchip my dog so I can find it. Why can't I microchip an illegal?"

Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-cubias/how-did-arizona-drive-us_b_559829.html)

:mullet:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nast on May 02, 2010, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on May 02, 2010, 12:10:14 AM
Quote
Bertroche said, when referring to illegal immigrants, that "We should catch 'em, we should document 'em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going. I actually support microchipping them. I can microchip my dog so I can find it. Why can't I microchip an illegal?"

Source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-cubias/how-did-arizona-drive-us_b_559829.html)

:mullet:

It's okay because they're not people, they're illegals!
          \
:mullet:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Template on May 02, 2010, 12:40:57 AM
Quote from: Vene on May 01, 2010, 09:01:03 PM
More  :lulz:

QuoteThe Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.
linky (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575213883276427528.html)

And how good is the Department's English?  Can anyone ask the board to reassign themselves?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 08, 2010, 04:49:40 AM
(http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/crayola-arizona.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 08, 2010, 04:51:34 AM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2010, 12:39:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-1KJL_Vcj8&feature=popular
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 10, 2010, 03:07:59 AM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Brotep on May 10, 2010, 05:24:22 AM
My uncle got into a rant about this earlier today, which he followed up with "Barack Obama hates America"  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 12, 2010, 05:32:54 PM
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12466514

Doobie doobie doooooo, just another night in Tucson.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:05:25 PM
Another night?  Just how many murders do you get in Tucson?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 12, 2010, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:05:25 PM
Another night?  Just how many murders do you get in Tucson?

It's hard to get real data, because the city is quick to label unimportant ones as "death by misadventure".

But you have a 1 in 99 chance on any given night of being the victim of a violent crime.  That's skewed, of course, as your odds in the OV are about 1 in 10000 per night, etc.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Holy fuck?  I thought there were only a million people in metro Tucson.  How do you drive people that crazy?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 12, 2010, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Holy fuck?  I thought there were only a million people in metro Tucson.  How do you drive people that crazy?

There is a reason Tucson is a horrible place. The land itself is sentient. It is angry. It hates us all.

The land beneath Tucson was once beneath a great sea. And it slept in the cool dark. The seas receded, and the land was awoken by the heat and sun and air and wind. It was angry, for it wanted to return to the quiet and constant night it once had. New kinds of life sprung into being, and the land became angrier still. When man came to build his cities, the land was wrathful, and drove him to insanity, but man would not – could not – leave. The land wanted man to pay for the scars he had put upon it, and would not allow him to leave. It wanted him to pay.

It took his dreams and broke them. It took his will and crushed it. It gave him no chance of escape. And man became lost, there in the desert, though he did not realize it. And it gave the land grim satisfaction to cause man great suffering. And man multiplied, and the land became more enraged and more delighted, had more lives to destroy.

It still yearns for sleep, the land. Until then it will take we who remain and play with us as the dog plays with a stuffed toy – shredding us to bits, leaving us when there is nothing left of us. The land is angry. It is joyful. It hates us all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on May 12, 2010, 11:13:20 PM
Whooaaah...  Freeky.

:mittens:  x <big number>
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 12, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
That was very, very good Freeky.  I could feel the sandy despair.

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Holy fuck?  I thought there were only a million people in metro Tucson.  How do you drive people that crazy?

It's Tucson.

*shrug*

Also, what Freeky said.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 13, 2010, 12:17:53 AM
Sounds like a place even Napalm couldn't harm.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on May 13, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
They probably use it to cool off on hot days.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: Hawk on May 13, 2010, 12:17:53 AM
Sounds like a place even Napalm couldn't harm.

Not sure.  What's the melting point of meaningless despair?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on May 13, 2010, 12:41:18 AM
ITT Pixie is happy I never moved and decided adultery was a better idea than staying with the eejit I married.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 13, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
Ethnic studies are now illegal in Arizona:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/12/AR2010051200329.html?hpid=moreheadlines

QuoteArizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

But it's not about race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 13, 2010, 12:56:28 AM
America may be doomed Roger, but your state is doomed first. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 13, 2010, 01:01:51 AM
Paul Revere would have warned the British to avoid Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 13, 2010, 12:56:28 AM
America may be doomed Roger, but your state is doomed first. :lulz:

Oh, hell yeah.  Listening to White people whining about being racially oppressed is music to my ears, the exact sort of music I'd like to think the band played as the Titanic went down.

Look upon Arizona, ye Americans, and despair.  This is your future.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
I actually think that Arizona is going to make itself an object lesson for the rest of the country. It's kind of like a small miracle, watching this unfold before our eyes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
I actually think that Arizona is going to make itself an object lesson for the rest of the country. It's kind of like a small miracle, watching this unfold before our eyes.

Unfortunately, Utah and a few other states are seriously considering emulating this Jim Crow shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on May 13, 2010, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
I actually think that Arizona is going to make itself an object lesson for the rest of the country. It's kind of like a small miracle, watching this unfold before our eyes.

Unfortunately, Utah and a few other states are seriously considering emulating this Jim Crow shit.
That's Utah, Utah is shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 13, 2010, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
I actually think that Arizona is going to make itself an object lesson for the rest of the country. It's kind of like a small miracle, watching this unfold before our eyes.

Unfortunately, Utah and a few other states are seriously considering emulating this Jim Crow shit.
That's Utah, Utah is shit.

Also, Texas (SURPRISE!!!), Louisiana, Arkansas (again, shocker), and about 5 others.  So far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
They can emulate it all they want; they'll still be backpedaling like motherfuckers when the shit hits the fan in AZ, which it will.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 06:05:08 PM
I want to see Arkansas start firing teachers on the basis of having an "accent".  :lulz: Does pronouncing "wash" with an r count?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on May 13, 2010, 06:52:46 PM
Personally, I want to see them start going after Americans with non-rhotic accents (like around Boston).

It's "car" not '"cah" there's a bloody "r" in it!  :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
They can emulate it all they want; they'll still be backpedaling like motherfuckers when the shit hits the fan in AZ, which it will.

You're assuming things will get better.  Or that the horrible old racists in Phoenix will allow silly little things like the collapse of our economy or world-wide scorn to influence them.

Funny thing:  Right now, many Americans are kind of ashamed of Arizona, and sort of wish it was in another country...But the way they view Arizona is the way much of the rest of the world views America as a whole.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 13, 2010, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 13, 2010, 06:52:46 PM
Personally, I want to see them start going after Americans with non-rhotic accents (like around Boston).

It's "car" not '"cah" there's a bloody "r" in it!  :argh!:

We have the same amount of "r"s as the rest of the country.  We just redistribute them.  Did you know "soda" has an "r" in it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on May 13, 2010, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: EoC on May 13, 2010, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Vene on May 13, 2010, 06:52:46 PM
Personally, I want to see them start going after Americans with non-rhotic accents (like around Boston).

It's "car" not '"cah" there's a bloody "r" in it!  :argh!:

We have the same amount of "r"s as the rest of the country.  We just redistribute them.  Did you know "soda" has an "r" in it?
Socialist scum with your redistribution.

It's people like you that make Sarah Palin cry!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
They can emulate it all they want; they'll still be backpedaling like motherfuckers when the shit hits the fan in AZ, which it will.

You're assuming things will get better.  Or that the horrible old racists in Phoenix will allow silly little things like the collapse of our economy or world-wide scorn to influence them.

Funny thing:  Right now, many Americans are kind of ashamed of Arizona, and sort of wish it was in another country...But the way they view Arizona is the way much of the rest of the world views America as a whole.

Oh, I KNOW things will get better... and by "better" I mean unfathomably worse.

If I was a cop in Arizona right now, I would be pulling white people over left and right, demanding their passports or birth certificates. I would fucking hang out near a school and take mothers to jail for transporting kids who "might be aliens" without documentation. I'd hang out near the capitol building and detain fucking politicians if they weren't packing their papers. Also, whatever the paperwork is to get a teacher fired for having an accent, I would be filling it out on anyone with any kind of regional US accent. Use the system to make it eat itself. Why this is not already happening left and right is beyond me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 13, 2010, 07:53:58 PM
Enforcing this shit on white people would get a cop fired.  For racism.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 13, 2010, 07:53:58 PM
Enforcing this shit on white people would get a cop fired.  For racism.



Be worth it though, especially if you could get a whole cadre of people to do it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
They can emulate it all they want; they'll still be backpedaling like motherfuckers when the shit hits the fan in AZ, which it will.

You're assuming things will get better.  Or that the horrible old racists in Phoenix will allow silly little things like the collapse of our economy or world-wide scorn to influence them.

Funny thing:  Right now, many Americans are kind of ashamed of Arizona, and sort of wish it was in another country...But the way they view Arizona is the way much of the rest of the world views America as a whole.

Oh, I KNOW things will get better... and by "better" I mean unfathomably worse.

If I was a cop in Arizona right now, I would be pulling white people over left and right, demanding their passports or birth certificates. I would fucking hang out near a school and take mothers to jail for transporting kids who "might be aliens" without documentation. I'd hang out near the capitol building and detain fucking politicians if they weren't packing their papers. Also, whatever the paperwork is to get a teacher fired for having an accent, I would be filling it out on anyone with any kind of regional US accent. Use the system to make it eat itself. Why this is not already happening left and right is beyond me.

It's times like this that I wish I'd stayed in the biz.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 13, 2010, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 13, 2010, 06:03:43 PM
They can emulate it all they want; they'll still be backpedaling like motherfuckers when the shit hits the fan in AZ, which it will.

You're assuming things will get better.  Or that the horrible old racists in Phoenix will allow silly little things like the collapse of our economy or world-wide scorn to influence them.

Funny thing:  Right now, many Americans are kind of ashamed of Arizona, and sort of wish it was in another country...But the way they view Arizona is the way much of the rest of the world views America as a whole.

Oh, I KNOW things will get better... and by "better" I mean unfathomably worse.

If I was a cop in Arizona right now, I would be pulling white people over left and right, demanding their passports or birth certificates. I would fucking hang out near a school and take mothers to jail for transporting kids who "might be aliens" without documentation. I'd hang out near the capitol building and detain fucking politicians if they weren't packing their papers. Also, whatever the paperwork is to get a teacher fired for having an accent, I would be filling it out on anyone with any kind of regional US accent. Use the system to make it eat itself. Why this is not already happening left and right is beyond me.

It's times like this that I wish I'd stayed in the biz.  :lulz:

I know! Oh, the missed opportunities!  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Triple Zero on May 13, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 12, 2010, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 12, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Holy fuck?  I thought there were only a million people in metro Tucson.  How do you drive people that crazy?

There is a reason Tucson is a horrible place. The land itself is sentient. It is angry. It hates us all.

The land beneath Tucson was once beneath a great sea. And it slept in the cool dark. The seas receded, and the land was awoken by the heat and sun and air and wind. It was angry, for it wanted to return to the quiet and constant night it once had. New kinds of life sprung into being, and the land became angrier still. When man came to build his cities, the land was wrathful, and drove him to insanity, but man would not – could not – leave. The land wanted man to pay for the scars he had put upon it, and would not allow him to leave. It wanted him to pay.

It took his dreams and broke them. It took his will and crushed it. It gave him no chance of escape. And man became lost, there in the desert, though he did not realize it. And it gave the land grim satisfaction to cause man great suffering. And man multiplied, and the land became more enraged and more delighted, had more lives to destroy.

It still yearns for sleep, the land. Until then it will take we who remain and play with us as the dog plays with a stuffed toy – shredding us to bits, leaving us when there is nothing left of us. The land is angry. It is joyful. It hates us all.

That's pretty much what I think of the cities Almere and Emmeloord in our polders .... :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Golden Applesauce on May 14, 2010, 02:24:53 AM
Wasn't there a part in the Arizona bill where it explicitly allowed anybody to sue the state if they didn't enforce the law?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
I must say that i dont mind the new legislation

the oddity in making a new bill to remove cultural studies from public school is a bit... er, odd.

but the whole giving the police the same abilities as the border patrol just seems to be on par with what should have been in their abilities in the first place


most people have been warped by the shitty opinion-news that CNN spews forth from its foamy gullet as it shakes its fingers at anyone who their masters tell them to, so they dont actually know what the bill does

but once i went and read through it, it is, as i said, on par with what should have been anyways.

the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

in fact, i was told when i came to AMURRRIKAH that you are required by law to carry a state id at all times anyways

so the bill doesn't really change anything

all it changes is that if you are pulled over/arrested/held and can't prove your are a citizen (I.E. YOU DONT HAVE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ID ON YOU) then you are detained, investigated, and deported if no proof can be shown (as in no one brings an id for you, you aren't in the system, etc etc)


all the mexinazis spewing the san diego plan downtown are doing nothing but bitching for the sake of bitching. before, the border patrol was called. now, the police can deal with it themselves. BIG FUCKING CHANGE, NE?

And now, Austin is jumping into the Ignorance pool, and is quoted as saying that it "wants to be sure that its employees are not subjected to unfounded detention." How is it "Unfounded" if they are motherfucking ILLEGALLY HERE? if their fucking employees are NOT illegal, they have nothing to worry about.

and California, fuck 'em all. i am not even going to bother to shoot down every statement they have given on the matter, because if i have to correct that much stupidity in one post, i will feel as if i am grading a kinder-gardeners calculus worksheet. I DONT HAVE THAT MANY RED PENS TO CROSS OUT YOUR MORONIC STATEMENTS, CALI. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET IN THE CHOPPAH.

but alas, this fact will be ignored by the masses, the CNNazis will continue their hateful tirade filled with conjecture, ignorance, and opinion, people will take it as fact, a conspiracy theory will be formulated, and AZ will ignore it all as we sit in our desolate hell of a state sipping on muddy water willed with e-coli and the tears of the desperate, and slowly dry-rot into the ground as the lizards feast on what was once a state that was filled with people who attempted to hope and in turn received no answer to their wanting beyond death...

EDIT: i figured i would put this here before someone starts throwing the racist card: i am all for LEGAL immigration, obviously. fuck, everyone in the US is or is descended from an immigrant. i just refuse to accept the unchecked tide of illegal immigration that is flowing forth. NO OTHER COUNTRY WOULD STAND FOR IT. NO OTHER COUNTRY ALLOWS IT. EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEIR OWN ANTI-ILLEGAL-IMMIGRATION LAWS. the fact that we are trying to be proactive about ebbing the flow of this tide of illegal immigrants shouldn't be frowned upon. Before people bash the bill, perhaps they should read it to the point of comprehension and understanding, ne?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:44:10 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
I must say that i dont mind the new legislation

the oddity in making a new bill to remove cultural studies from public school is a bit... er, odd.

No it isn't.  The law only affects Tucson.  It's punishment for not enforcing the immigration reform bill.


Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
but the whole giving the police the same abilities as the border patrol just seems to be on par with what should have been in their abilities in the first place

Well, sure.  Local yokels should be enforcing federal laws.  And dogcatchers should be chasing bankrobbers.

Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
most people have been warped by the shitty opinion-news that CNN spews forth from its foamy gullet as it shakes its fingers at anyone who their masters tell them to, so they dont actually know what the bill does

but once i went and read through it, it is, as i said, on par with what should have been anyways.

the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

in fact, i was told when i came to AMURRRIKAH that you are required by law to carry a state id at all times anyways

so the bill doesn't really change anything

all it changes is that if you are pulled over/arrested/held and can't prove your are a citizen (I.E. YOU DONT HAVE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ID ON YOU) then you are detained, investigated, and deported if no proof can be shown (as in no one brings an id for you, you aren't in the system, etc etc)


all the mexinazis spewing the san diego plan downtown are doing nothing but bitching for the sake of bitching. before, the border patrol was called. now, the police can deal with it themselves. BIG FUCKING CHANGE, NE?

but alas, this fact will be ignored by the masses, the CNNazis will continue their hateful tirade filled with conjecture, ignorance, and opinion, people will take it as fact, a conspiracy theory will be formulated, and AZ will ignore it all as we sit in our desolate hell of a state sipping on muddy water willed with e-coli and the tears of the desperate, and slowly dry-rot into the ground as the lizards feast on what was once a state that was filled with people who attempted to hope and in turn received no answer to their wanting beyond death...

I didn't realize you were a teabagger, Manubu.

CNNazis?  For fucking real?

MexiNazis?

Tell me you're fucking joking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on May 14, 2010, 03:45:19 AM
We've got a live one.

"Mexinazis"? Really?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 14, 2010, 03:45:27 AM
 :rush:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:46:00 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on May 14, 2010, 03:45:19 AM
We've got a live one.

"Mexinazis"? Really?

Fucked part, I know this guy IRL.

Didn't realize he was a teabagger.  I feel kinda dirty now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:50:51 AM
MexiNazis.

For fuck's sake. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
haven't you watched Beck's show... EVERYTHING is related to Nazis now days
hell even the commies are not Nazis
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:56:23 AM
(http://ctpatriot1970.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/glenn-beck.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
haven't you watched Beck's show... EVERYTHING is related to Nazis now days
hell even the commies are not Nazis

Yeah, but I know Manubu.  I've known him for like 3 years.

How could I know him for that long and not realize he's a damn teabagger?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:07:12 AM
i dont think i get the teabagger reference

and holy shit that is alot of quick responses that i didnt see


i have been dealing with people in downtown phoenix who havent read the bill. that, and a constant stream of jeff walker has made me actually read it so i could see what was and wasn't conjecture

and do you guys know of the san diego plan? its a fucking nazi approach to clensing the 'land that belongs to mexico' the occupied mexico blah blah blah

so to me, they are mexican nazis. they were talking of how mexicans are the only ones with the right to live, especially in AZ, NM, and CA, and that cleansing the land of anyone who isnt mexican is the only solution...

hence the stream of death threats that was issued on cinco de mayo which stated anyone who didnt look full mexican was going to be shot/stabbed/killed on the spot if they were spotted outside that night
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:09:44 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:07:12 AM
i dont think i get the teabagger reference

and holy shit that is alot of quick responses that i didnt see


i have been dealing with people in downtown phoenix who havent read the bill. that, and a constant stream of jeff walker has made me actually read it so i could see what was and wasn't conjecture

and do you guys know of the san diego plan? its a fucking nazi approach to clensing the 'land that belongs to mexico' the occupied mexico blah blah blah

so to me, they are mexican nazis. they were talking of how mexicans are the only ones with the right to live, especially in AZ, NM, and CA, and that cleansing the land of anyone who isnt mexican is the only solution...

hence the stream of death threats that was issued on cinco de mayo which stated anyone who didnt look full mexican was going to be shot/stabbed/killed on the spot if they were spotted outside that night

So basically, a few radicals damns the entire ethnic group inside of the borders of America?  They're "MexiNazis"?

That initial rant of yours was pure Glenn Beck (right down to "MexiNazis), so I'd be a little more circumspect in claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is the slave of the "main stream media".

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:10:56 AM
Incidentally, exactly how many Hispanics are part of this "San Diego Plan"?

And links to the death threats concerning Cinco De Mayo?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
and, at risk of double-post-faggotry, i know that local law enforcement wif powah etc etc can be bad, but the fact that the border patrol isn't far better leads me to believe that their only difference is who is writing their paychecks. i may be wrong in this, as i am known to be at times due to limited knowledge of the majority and only knowing what i have seen and dealt with, but eh. i will be shot either way so shoot me

and i wasn;t making a reference to all mexicans, simply the majority that i have seen involved in this. i am far from making a statement on a whole etc etc
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:12:56 AM
Also, considering you're all good with one Jim Crow law, how are you about the law permitting the state to refuse to hire/fire English teachers who "have a heavy accent"?

(And come to think of it, how do you decide when an accent is "heavy"?)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 14, 2010, 04:14:07 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:07:12 AM
i dont think i get the teabagger reference

and holy shit that is alot of quick responses that i didnt see


i have been dealing with people in downtown phoenix who havent read the bill. that, and a constant stream of jeff walker has made me actually read it so i could see what was and wasn't conjecture

and do you guys know of the san diego plan? its a fucking nazi approach to clensing the 'land that belongs to mexico' the occupied mexico blah blah blah

so to me, they are mexican nazis. they were talking of how mexicans are the only ones with the right to live, especially in AZ, NM, and CA, and that cleansing the land of anyone who isnt mexican is the only solution...

hence the stream of death threats that was issued on cinco de mayo which stated anyone who didnt look full mexican was going to be shot/stabbed/killed on the spot if they were spotted outside that night

solution is quite simple...
start acting more Mexican

But then of course you will get pulled over for being a possible illegal, so...

yay my plan sucks
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:14:20 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
and, at risk of double-post-faggotry, i know that local law enforcement wif powah etc etc can be bad, but the fact that the border patrol isn't far better leads me to believe that their only difference is who is writing their paychecks. i may be wrong in this, as i am known to be at times due to limited knowledge of the majority and only knowing what i have seen and dealt with, but eh. i will be shot either way so shoot me

and i wasn;t making a reference to all mexicans, simply the majority that i have seen involved in this. i am far from making a statement on a whole etc etc

Hey, no problem.  We'll just erase all jurisdictional boundaries and have animal control officers writing speeding tickets.  

And "the majority you have seen involved in this"?  How many is that?  Where were they?  
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:14:34 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:10:56 AM
Incidentally, exactly how many Hispanics are part of this "San Diego Plan"?

And links to the death threats concerning Cinco De Mayo?
i kind of wish i had taken a picture. the huge group downtown in the protests and such on the multiple days that it spanned were constantly shouting about the san diego plan loud enough to hear from my house

and every sign i seen (granted i cant see very far and these signs could have simply been the ones that worked their way to the outskirts on the three sides of the mobs i seen) had either the words "San Diego Plan" or the outright full plan written on the sign itself...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:17:38 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:14:34 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:10:56 AM
Incidentally, exactly how many Hispanics are part of this "San Diego Plan"?

And links to the death threats concerning Cinco De Mayo?
i kind of wish i had taken a picture. the huge group downtown in the protests and such on the multiple days that it spanned were constantly shouting about the san diego plan loud enough to hear from my house

That's odd, because Freeky and my daughter were right across the street from the protest after leaving Hydra, and - according to my daughter - never heard anything about the "San Diego Plan".

Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:14:34 AM
and every sign i seen (granted i cant see very far and these signs could have simply been the ones that worked their way to the outskirts on the three sides of the mobs i seen) had either the words "San Diego Plan" or the outright full plan written on the sign itself...

Let me google some pics from the demonstration.  BRB.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:19:46 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:12:56 AM
Also, considering you're all good with one Jim Crow law, how are you about the law permitting the state to refuse to hire/fire English teachers who "have a heavy accent"?

(And come to think of it, how do you decide when an accent is "heavy"?)
what of my nature from the years you have known me screams 'i accept everything if i accept one thing'?

i am always case-by-case

considering i was a fucking 'outsider' growing up i am all against racism, as i had to deal with it myself. its fucking ignorant. i am not for the profiling etc etc, but by the lay of the bill that in itself is illegal and you can still sue if you feel that you were profiled. and i know that is an issue with the bill having passed, and acknowledge such, but seeing as how nearly everyone in arizona looks a bit mexican how can you profile anyways? unless you are to stop everyone on bogus charges just to get id, but then that would be shot down just as quick as making those traps for dunkards etc etc

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:20:44 AM
(http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/7a/99/a4deb44cfe407eb8c0aa7bdca3bf-grande.jpg)

Not seeing anything about a San Diego Plan.

Also, googled "tucson demonstration immigration reform San Diego Plan" and all I got was a pile of right wing nutjob blogs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:01 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:19:46 AM

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks

Haven't seen any evidence that there was any cleansing being proposed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:29:09 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:01 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:19:46 AM

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks

Haven't seen any evidence that there was any cleansing being proposed.
absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.

i will stand down as i didnt take any pictures, etc etc, i didnt expect the board to scream so fucking much for me putting my input in.

I stated my observations, and will admit i didnt see the entire protest, but what i seen of it, and the parts of it that came through the neighborhood down here threateneing me and anyone outside saying that the threats were in effect, call me a white devil (which was amusing) and the several dozen signs that were being walked up and down first friday in phoenix that prompted me to figure out what the fuck the san diego plan was in the first place since i had seen it in the protest as well etc etc...

and from accounts of those i inquired it was rife through the rest of their experience too. i guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?



and i am pretty sure that what i saw coming happened, and the urge to actually read the bill was lost...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:35:40 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:29:09 AMi guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:43:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:35:40 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:29:09 AMi guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.


duly noted. next time i venture out of Or Kill Me i will bring pictures.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:47:59 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:43:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:35:40 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 04:29:09 AMi guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.


duly noted. next time i venture out of Or Kill Me i will bring pictures.

Probably for the best.

This is Tucson, after all.  The people you saw may not have been Mexicans.  They might not have actually been people.  They could have been some horrible apparition caused by the fact that your house is built smack on top of the Rotarian Club's ancient burial grounds.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on May 14, 2010, 06:56:37 AM
 :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll: :troll:

Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!! Nazis!!

(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-3/glenn-beck-fox-news.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2010, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

At least one person has already been detained despite having a drivers license with him.  So no, a drivers license is not considered valid by the cops. 

The man in question was probably not suspected of anything either (it happened when he stopped at a truck weigh station), but I'll concede that it is possible there was some irregularity not mentioned by the news.

If you actually read the law (I have by the way) you'll find that:

A) All immigrants must carry a green card at all times (this was already federal law, but they have upped the penalty in Arizona from 100 dollars to 500 dollars, a jail sentence, and deportation).  A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.  Even if it was proof of legal residence, it does not fulfill the requirement of the green card, as per the text of the bill.

B) A cop has full authority to decide if a person is an immigrant.  So even if he has no evidence a person is an immigrant (legal or otherwise), they can be detained for not having a green card on them.

C) Deportation is now mandatory for parking tickets and jaywalking (any fine levied by the government, at all, requires deportation).

Please read the fucking bill before responding.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 02:14:03 PM
So Roger...a friend of yours?


Hawk,
sitting on his typing fingers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on May 14, 2010, 02:23:53 PM
"MexiNazis"??  :lulz:

so over here in Discordia we have this word Fnord, which has meant a lot of things over time, but this one guy used it in a book. Wikipedia says it represents "disinformation or irrelevant information intending to misdirect, with the implication of a worldwide conspiracy".

It refers to emotionally charged words being used out of context, so as to whip people up into a frenzy. For example the word SOCIALISM is a fnord-word, or TERRORISM. If you use it in a sentence, no matter the context, it whips up the intensity of that sentence without adding any meaning.

"Nazi" is one of those fnord-words which has been so overused (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) that it no longer has any meaning except to point out how hysterical you are.

What you said:

Those Mexicans are an objectively evil force who should be seen as the ENEMY
They are racists who torture innocent jews
                       /
     :spag2:



What we heard:

Those Damn Dirty Spics are Takin' Our Jabs!
                        /
      :mullet:



also, repost from the political pix thread, but it should be in this thread too:


(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/arizona_5-6_01.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Fuck.

Well, I'm actually fucking glad San Diego is being bandied about like this, in that particular manner.  Fuck + yeah.

ETA:  I was hoping that we would GET AWAY from this bullshit notion that racial profiling even WORKS.  But hearing apologetics and the screaming about ILLEGALS! ILLEGALS! from anyone who LIKES this fucking bill makes me think it's the last ditch effort of the lazy and gadabouts.

...you can TELL an ILLEGAL by his FOOTWEAR?

Fuck you.

You think So. CA didn't used to belong to Mexico and WASN'T swindled away by the US government?

Fuck you.

You think you don't (sorry, forgot that edit) have more rights here than the so-called illegals who work for pennies on the dollar so you can buy your fucking strawberries for $1.99 a pound?

Fuck you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2010, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

At least one person has already been detained despite having a drivers license with him.  So no, a drivers license is not considered valid by the cops. 

The man in question was probably not suspected of anything either (it happened when he stopped at a truck weigh station), but I'll concede that it is possible there was some irregularity not mentioned by the news.

If you actually read the law (I have by the way) you'll find that:

A) All immigrants must carry a green card at all times (this was already federal law, but they have upped the penalty in Arizona from 100 dollars to 500 dollars, a jail sentence, and deportation).  A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.  Even if it was proof of legal residence, it does not fulfill the requirement of the green card, as per the text of the bill.

B) A cop has full authority to decide if a person is an immigrant.  So even if he has no evidence a person is an immigrant (legal or otherwise), they can be detained for not having a green card on them.

C) Deportation is now mandatory for parking tickets and jaywalking (any fine levied by the government, at all, requires deportation).

Please read the fucking bill before responding.

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2010, 02:43:17 PM
Manabu, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but did you know that there are thousands of infractions on the books which are usually not enforced?

What that means is that, if the cops want to pull you over or question you, you are already probably violating a handful of laws as we speak.  They don't need an obvious reason, they've got dozens of unobvious reasons.

And let's not forget "acting suspiciously".  That's always precious.


Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Triple Zero on May 14, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
The word MexiNazi just makes me think of food. A combination of the Indonesian fried rice dish (Nasi Goreng) and .. uh .. chilli beans nachos (cause anything with chilli beans and nachos and corn is marketed as "mexican" by our Dutch UniLever overlords) :lol:



Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, does this new law really mean that if any [mexican looking] person gets held up by the police, and they can't produce ID, they get detained [per default] and if found to be really illegal, are deported instantly? I picked up something about them not even getting a phonecall to notify family or friends where they are taken? Or am I mistaken?

Cause that's fucked up. Illegal or not. We got loads of problems with illegal immigrants in the Netherlands [although the big crime problems with "foreigners" are mostly caused by the legal morrocans, not the illegal ones from war-ridden country XYZ], but we at least put them into an asylum-seekers centre until it's been figured out what's up. Of course I can imagine it to be somewhat different if the originating country is right over the border instead of some country far away.

But still, humans are humans. And no matter what, even the simple fact that this law is going to promote blatant police [and civilian] racism, should be enough to take a step back and think about a better solution to the problem.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
Yes, Trip.  And I'm sure you can realize it's the slippery slope of this law that's actually what galls and angers.  This is let out of the bag--and going BACK is always harder than forging forward.

Rights, once lost, are MUCH harder to gain again.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on May 14, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
a fun fact I just learned:

Quote from: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_fence_to_nowhereStudies by economists and sociologists alike have consistently failed to show a significant direct effect of migrant labor on the employment rates and income levels of domestic groups, including African Americans. Instead, studies by immigration scholars Frank D. Bean, Gillian Stevens, Michael J. Rosenfeld, and Marta Tienda, among others, point to a pattern of labor market segmentation in which undocumented immigrant workers crowd at the bottom of the market in menial service and low-paid industrial jobs, while domestic workers predominate in higher-paid clerical and administrative occupations. The spin-off effect of immigration in stimulating the growth of higher-paid occupations for domestic workers is entirely neglected by the nativists.
(emphasis mine)


and:

QuoteBorder militarization has not been without its consequences, however, and those consequences have generally been the opposite of what was intended. Because coming to the United States has become so expensive and arduous, immigrants who cross the border seldom return home. Instead, they bring their families along as soon as possible. Hence, border enforcement, which has not succeeded in stopping the unauthorized flow, has succeeded in keeping these immigrants bottled up on the American side of the border. The policy has been instrumental in creating a large and growing unauthorized foreign population in the United States, exactly the opposite of what advocates of that policy intended. Not incidentally, the unauthorized status of this population leads directly to its vulnerability in the labor market, and, hence, to exploitative practices. These practices would not happen if immigrant workers had the legal means to fight them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
Quit clouding the discussion with facts, Cram!  This is about your right as a white American to pick strawberries for a living!  Sheesh!


(actually, :mittens:, Dawg, for finding some actual great commentary on the research)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 02:14:03 PM
So Roger...a friend of yours?


Hawk,
sitting on his typing fingers.

Type away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
I must say that i dont mind the new legislation (losing more freedom to protect me)

the oddity in making a new bill to remove cultural studies from public school is a bit... er, odd. (illegal and bigoted)

but the whole giving the police the same abilities as the border patrol just seems to be on par with (keeping brown fuckers in their place)what should have been in their abilities in the first place


most people have been warped by the (fear mongering right diverting attention away from the real issues in this country) shitty opinion-news that CNN spews forth from its foamy gullet as it shakes its fingers at anyone who their masters tell them to, so they dont actually (believe what Fox news says)know what the bill does

but once i went skimmed and read picked out the sound bytes through it, it is, as i said, on par with what should have been anyways.(to keep smudgies out of my country)

the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT BROWN OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID (MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT DUE LEGAL PROCESS)IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

in fact, i was told when i came to AMURRRIKAH that you are required by law to carry a state id at all times anyways  (O RLY)

so the bill doesn't really change anything   :cn:

all it changes is that if you are pulled over/arrested/held and can't prove your are a citizen (I.E. YOU DONT HAVE YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ID ON YOU TO THEIR SATISFACTION) then you are detained, investigated, and deported if no proof can be shown (as in no one brings an id for you, you aren't in the system, etc etc)


all the mexinazis  (STFU BIGOT) spewing the san diego plan downtown are doing nothing but bitching SEEKING RIGHTS for the sake of bitching A BETTER LIFE. before, the border patrol was called. now, the police can deal with it  beat them senseless themselves. BIG FUCKING CHANGE, NE?

And now, Austin is jumping into the Ignorance  due process pool, and is quoted as saying that it "wants to be sure that its employees are not subjected to unfounded detention." How is it "Unfounded" if they are motherfucking ILLEGALLY HERE? ( Can you say innocent until proven guilty or are you saying every brown person on the planet is illegal?) if their fucking employees are NOT illegal, they have nothing to worry about.

and California, fuck 'em all. i am not even going to bother to shoot down every statement they have given on the matter, because if i have to ,correct that much stupidity in one post acknowledge civil rights i will feel as if i am grading a kinder-gardeners calculus worksheet my knowledge of the American legal system. I DONT HAVE THAT MANY RED PENS TO CROSS OUT YOUR  MY MORONIC STATEMENTS, CALI. SO I WILL SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET IN THE CHOPPAH.

but alas, this fact will be ignored by the masses, the CNNazis will continue their hateful tirade filled with conjecture, ignorance, and opinion,(AS OPPOSED TO FOX) people will take it as fact, a conspiracy theory will be formulated, and AZ will ignore it all as we sit in our desolate hell of a state sipping on muddy water willed with e-coli and the tears of the desperate, and slowly dry-rot into the ground as the lizards feast on what was once a state that was filled with people who attempted to hope and in turn received no answer to their wanting beyond death... WUT?

EDIT: i figured i would put this here before someone starts throwing therealizing I am a racist card: i am all for LEGAL immigration (to OTHER states), obviously. fuck, everyone in the US is or is descended from an immigrant. i just refuse to accept the unchecked tide of illegal immigration that is flowing forth. NO OTHER COUNTRY WOULD STAND FOR IT. NO OTHER COUNTRY ALLOWS IT. EVERY COUNTRY HAS THEIR OWN ANTI-ILLEGAL-IMMIGRATION LAWS. NO OTHER COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IMMIGRATION. the fact that we are trying to be proactivePROTECTIONIST about ebbing the flow of this tide of illegal immigrants shouldn't be frowned upon. Before people bash  I support the bill, perhaps they should read it to the point of comprehension and understanding, ne?


Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2010, 03:40:26 PM
Whoa.  Not bad for a redneck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 14, 2010, 03:40:26 PM
Whoa.  Not bad for a redneck.


Hawk,
thoroughly fed up with cowards surrendering rights based on hysterical screaming.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
Well, the first bill is odious in intent, if not in the actual wording.  The only actual change is that the locals are now trying to do the federal government's law enforcement.

It was the test-bed for the other Jim Crow laws that immediately followed it:  "Accent" tests on teachers, banning (not just discontinuing) ethnic studies, etc.

More will be following.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.

I'm waiting for misegnation laws and retroactive cancellation of amendment XIV, clause 1.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.

I'm waiting for misegnation laws and retroactive cancellation of amendment XIV, clause 1.

Fine. BUT DAMNED IF I PICK YOUR FUCKING CABBAGE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.

I'm waiting for misegnation laws and retroactive cancellation of amendment XIV, clause 1.

Fine. BUT DAMNED IF I PICK YOUR FUCKING CABBAGE.

You'll fight for the right to pick cabbage, and like it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
Yes, Trip.  And I'm sure you can realize it's the slippery slope of this law that's actually what galls and angers. 

What slippery slope?  This is 169% pure Jim Crow.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 14, 2010, 04:29:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.

I'm waiting for misegnation laws and retroactive cancellation of amendment XIV, clause 1.

Fine. BUT DAMNED IF I PICK YOUR FUCKING CABBAGE.

You'll fight for the right to pick cabbage, and like it.

That may e accurate enough to be frightening.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: Hawk on May 14, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if Americans stopped buying so much Mexican dope then the country would stand a chance of developing more and with it the ability to create more jobs.

These bill make me sick to my stomach. I am having flashbacks to the prejudice the blacks had to overcome and here it comes again except pointed at brown people.

There's also the whole flooding Mexico with cheap US government subsidized corn thing, which put some 1.3 million Mexican farmers out of a job.

Guess where they went to find more work?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 07:03:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: Jenne on May 14, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
Yes, Trip.  And I'm sure you can realize it's the slippery slope of this law that's actually what galls and angers. 

What slippery slope?  This is 169% pure Jim Crow.


Slipping back INTO the Jim Crow era.  At state level, true, but how many states are eyeing this with a view to emulation now?  Too many.  It won't reach Federal level, and CA will be at the forefront to stopping it (hopefully, though our fucking Prop 8 law belies that, unfortunately).

In fact, I think it started, this fucking pendulum swing, with Prop 8 (fuck you UT-based Mormons and your $30m you infused into that campaign).

But this particular anti-immigrant shit always happens when the economy worsens.  It's just, this time, the fucking states are bankrupt all over the place, but instead of R&D investments to enrich their educational capital that leads to eventual rises in income ALL AROUND, they've taken the low road.

I spit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Golden Applesauce on May 15, 2010, 03:22:46 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
in fact, i was told when i came to AMURRRIKAH that you are required by law to carry a state id at all times anyways

so the bill doesn't really change anything

This is patently false.  I'm not saying no one ever told you that, but it has never been legally required to carry a state ID.  Not the least because there are no state IDs (some states are considering it, but AFAIK none of them have passed it yet.  Could be wrong though.)  What I think you're referring to is what is called a "driver's license," which is a state-issued certificate that allows you to operate a lethal weapon (motor vehicle) on public roads.  I'm pretty sure people with temp visas can get driver's licenses, which means that they are in no way a proof of citizenship.




Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
but alas, this fact will be ignored by the masses, the CNNazis will continue their hateful tirade filled with conjecture, ignorance, and opinion, people will take it as fact, a conspiracy theory will be formulated, and AZ will ignore it all as we sit in our desolate hell of a state sipping on muddy water willed with e-coli and the tears of the desperate, and slowly dry-rot into the ground as the lizards feast on what was once a state that was filled with people who attempted to hope and in turn received no answer to their wanting beyond death...

So now they get both death and deportation?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cait M. R. on May 15, 2010, 03:44:49 AM
Quote from: Satzanfang on May 15, 2010, 03:22:46 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
in fact, i was told when i came to AMURRRIKAH that you are required by law to carry a state id at all times anyways

so the bill doesn't really change anything

This is patently false.  I'm not saying no one ever told you that, but it has never been legally required to carry a state ID.  Not the least because there are no state IDs (some states are considering it, but AFAIK none of them have passed it yet.  Could be wrong though.)  What I think you're referring to is what is called a "driver's license," which is a state-issued certificate that allows you to operate a lethal weapon (motor vehicle) on public roads.  I'm pretty sure people with temp visas can get driver's licenses, which means that they are in no way a proof of citizenship.

Yes there are. I have one in my wallet right now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on May 15, 2010, 03:46:45 AM
I used to have one myself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on May 15, 2010, 04:00:34 AM
I think Satzanfang meant ID you're required to carry. You can get a regular state ID but it's not required.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on May 15, 2010, 04:06:42 AM
There are most definitely state IDs, and I don't mean driver's licenses. But, citizens are not required to carry them ever (and you're not issued one unless you ask, and I think pay a fee). It's not a bad idea to have it on you, but it's far from required.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on May 15, 2010, 04:19:12 AM
That was my impression as well, based on the research of some people I once went protesting with.  You're allowed to go about your business with no ID.  While wearing a mask, even.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Golden Applesauce on May 15, 2010, 04:26:38 AM
 :oops:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 15, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
A quick question for all of you US citizens:

How many of you carry your birth certificate (in combination with your State ID) or your passport everywhere you go?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on May 16, 2010, 12:02:31 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 15, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
A quick question for all of you US citizens:

How many of you carry your birth certificate (in combination with your State ID) or your passport everywhere you go?

Hell no, never.

Only for Official Business™.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 16, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Yeah, I leave that shit safely filed at home, personally. Maybe I should start carrying it in my purse along with my Social Security card, amirite?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on May 16, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
I only carry my license. Ever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 16, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 15, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
A quick question for all of you US citizens:

How many of you carry your birth certificate (in combination with your State ID) or your passport everywhere you go?

What your forgetting is that all Latin Americans are immigrates. It's impossible for any of them to be born in the US.
Impossible.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: the last yatto on May 16, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
a conspiracy theory will be formulated


YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!!!

what about if we allow the illegals to stay if they agree to be chipped or wear a note pinned to their chest
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 16, 2010, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on May 16, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
a conspiracy theory will be formulated


YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!!!

what about if we allow the illegals to stay if they agree to be chipped or wear a note pinned to their chest

You mean like pinning a star to their clothes?  :innocent:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on May 17, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
(http://www.spagbook.com/images/eff.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on May 17, 2010, 10:37:15 AM
Quote from: vexati0n on May 17, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
(http://www.disc0rd.com/images/eff.jpg)



Classic.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 17, 2010, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on May 17, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
(http://www.disc0rd.com/images/eff.jpg)

:sad: I'm forbidden from seeing it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 17, 2010, 04:45:24 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 16, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 15, 2010, 11:57:19 PM
A quick question for all of you US citizens:

How many of you carry your birth certificate (in combination with your State ID) or your passport everywhere you go?

What your forgetting is that all Latin Americans are immigrates. It's impossible for any of them to be born in the US.
Impossible.

Especially in Arizona. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on May 17, 2010, 09:59:09 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 17, 2010, 04:44:00 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on May 17, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
(http://www.disc0rd.com/images/eff.jpg)

:sad: I'm forbidden from seeing it?

It says:

REASONABLE SUSPICION
HOW TO DETERMINE A SUSPECT'S CITIZENSHIP STATUS

1.   Obtain copy of Suspect's Birth Certificate or other State- or
Federally-issued identification. Compare document to Suspect.
2.   If identification document is printed on paper more than
three (3) shades lighter than Suspect's skin tone, SUSPECT IS
ILLEGAL.
Arrest and detain.

I don't know where Vex found it, but it looks legit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 17, 2010, 10:52:29 PM
I can see it now. That was weird.

And that pic is fucked up. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 19, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/arizona-official-threatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/

QuoteA member of Arizona's top government utilities agency threw down the gauntlet in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution for the city's boycott of Arizona.


If Los Angeles wants to boycott Arizona, it had better get used to reading by candlelight.

That's the message from a member of Arizona's top government utilities agency, who threw down the gauntlet Tuesday in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa by threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution.

Gary Pierce, a commissioner on the five-member Arizona Corporation Commission, wrote the letter in response to the Los Angeles City Council's decision last week to boycott the Grand Canyon State -- in protest of its immigration law -- by suspending official travel there and ending future contracts with state businesses.

Noting that a quarter of Los Angeles' electricity comes from Arizona power plants, Pierce threatened to pull the plug if the City Council does not reconsider.

"Doggone it -- if you're going to boycott this candy store ... then don't come in for any of it," Pierce told FoxNews.com.

In the letter, he ridiculed Villaraigosa for saying that the point of the boycott was to "send a message" by severing the "resources and ties" they share.

"I received your message; please receive mine. As a statewide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona's electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the 'resources and ties' we share with the city of Los Angeles," Pierce wrote.

"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 19, 2010, 11:07:37 PM
If Pierce does that, the last trickle of our revenue vanishes.

And LA goes dark.

:lulz:

I LOVE THIS DECADE!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 19, 2010, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 19, 2010, 11:07:37 PM
If Pierce does that, the last trickle of our revenue vanishes.

And LA goes dark.

:lulz:

I LOVE THIS DECADE!

It hardly seems fair for us to have so many lulz when others have so few. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on May 19, 2010, 11:19:54 PM
I have the desire to fuck with the bigamist after I get my divorce.

I have his MySpace but it cannot be added without his email address.

Ah maricopa county, I hate you!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on May 20, 2010, 08:00:00 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on May 19, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/19/arizona-official-threatens-cut-los-angeles-power-payback-boycott/

QuoteA member of Arizona's top government utilities agency threw down the gauntlet in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution for the city's boycott of Arizona.


If Los Angeles wants to boycott Arizona, it had better get used to reading by candlelight.

That's the message from a member of Arizona's top government utilities agency, who threw down the gauntlet Tuesday in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa by threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution.

Gary Pierce, a commissioner on the five-member Arizona Corporation Commission, wrote the letter in response to the Los Angeles City Council's decision last week to boycott the Grand Canyon State -- in protest of its immigration law -- by suspending official travel there and ending future contracts with state businesses.

Noting that a quarter of Los Angeles' electricity comes from Arizona power plants, Pierce threatened to pull the plug if the City Council does not reconsider.

"Doggone it -- if you're going to boycott this candy store ... then don't come in for any of it," Pierce told FoxNews.com.

In the letter, he ridiculed Villaraigosa for saying that the point of the boycott was to "send a message" by severing the "resources and ties" they share.

"I received your message; please receive mine. As a statewide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona's electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the 'resources and ties' we share with the city of Los Angeles," Pierce wrote.

"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."

:lulz:

I found this bit interesting

QuoteThe law requires local law enforcement to try to verify the immigration status of anyone they have contact with whom they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. It empowers them to turn over verified illegal immigrants to federal custody. The legislation explicitly prohibits screening people based solely on race or national origin.

I know that's kind of required, but what is going to cause a law enforcement officer to suspect someone is illegal aside from race or national origin?  It does say solely though, so I guess the cop could say "Well, he's hispanic, and he was eating a taco, the taco was the real kicker"

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on May 27, 2010, 10:06:54 PM
 :lulz: Arizona State Senator to Challenge 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (http://politicalreformer.com/2010/05/22/arizona-state-senator-to-challenge-14th-amendment-to-the-u-s-constitution-an-historical-pespective/)
QuoteRussell Pearce is at it again.  Mr. Pearce is the state senator who authored SB1070, the Arizona law which obligates police to make an attempt, whenever practicable — to determine a person's immigration status if there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is in the country illegally, following a stop by law enforcement.  Now, Phoenix news station KPHO is reporting that his next target is the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.  That amendment, which guarantees some of the nation's most important citizenship rights related to equal protection and due process, was passed in 1868, during the aftermath of the Civil War.  In the 142 years since, it has become one of the great foundations of American Law.

According to the KPHO news report, State Senator Pearce has stated that he intends "to push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen."  Although clarification of Pearce's statement will be necessary in the days ahead, it is clear that he is, in effect, seeking to nullify section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which states:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

As to whether his proposal will discriminate against birth mothers, Pearce has included documents from supporters which back his efforts, including one that rationalizes the likelihood of this bias:  "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother.  Call it sexist," the supporter says, "but that's the way nature made it.  Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do."  Anchor baby is a reference used by anti-immigrant groups to derisively describe an American-born child whose parents are undocumented.
Just a few days ago, Republican U.S. Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky caused a national firestorm over objections he made to key provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.  Now, Republican Russell Pearce of Arizona, is directly threatening the 14th Amendment, which was, in large part, aimed at correcting the injustices caused by the system of American slavery and the infamous Dred Scott Decision of 1857, which declared that African-Americans were not citizens of the United States, and, therefore, did not have the protections of the U.S. Constitution.

Ironically, the 14th Amendment was intended to protect Americans — including the native born whose parents are not citizens — from exactly the sort of state encroachment upon civil rights that Mr. Pearce is proposing to legislate.
As I recall, federal laws trump state and local ones. And only a constitutional amendment made to the actual constitution can change this. Somebody slept through civics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 27, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
 :lulz: :lulz: :horrormirth: :lulz:

The laughter HURTS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 27, 2010, 11:03:45 PM
We could solve this whole problem by giving Arizona to Mexico.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 28, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
But i can't SPEAK spanish! :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 28, 2010, 12:39:06 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 28, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
But i can't SPEAK spanish! :x
TOO BAD! LEARN TO ASSIMILATE, GRINGO!!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 28, 2010, 01:16:35 AM
And Utah's Governor has said he'd support a bill like Arizona's.  Sucks to be the brown half of my family I guess.   :kingmeh:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 28, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Seriously, I don't know why we wanted Arizona in the first place. It used to be part of Mexico, we should give it back. As if Mexico would take it.

It's kind of going in that direction, though, amirite? Arizona is basically vying for independence, and that can only go in one direction.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on May 28, 2010, 05:48:10 AM
Can we give them Texas back at the same time?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 28, 2010, 06:25:26 AM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 28, 2010, 05:48:10 AM
Can we give them Texas back at the same time?

God, please!

Although, again, I doubt Mexico would take it back.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 28, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 28, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Seriously, I don't know why we wanted Arizona in the first place. It used to be part of Mexico, we should give it back. As if Mexico would take it.

It's kind of going in that direction, though, amirite? Arizona is basically vying for independence, and that can only go in one direction.


I'm betting that in the next 5 years or so, I will have the unequalled opportunity to see a civil war up close.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on May 28, 2010, 06:27:49 PM
JD Hayworth must have studied American History in Texas.

http://crooksandliars.com/jason-sigger/hayworths-history-lesson

QuoteWhile speaking last week to a local GOP organization in Phoenix, Hayworth was asked by an attendee about America's failure to formally declare war in our modern conflicts. Hayworth defended the modern-day authorizations for the use of military force. "But I would also point out, that if we want to be sticklers, the war that Dwight Eisenhower led in Europe against the Third Reich was never declared by the United States Congress," said Hayworth. "Recall, the Congress passed a war resolution against Japan. Germany declared war on us two days later. We never formally declared war on Hitler's Germany, and yet we fought the war."

Except for, maybe this...

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/WorldWar2/declare2.htm

QuoteWhereas the Government of Germany has formally declared war against the Government and the people of the United States of America:

Therefore be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Government of Germany which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared; and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Government of Germany; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

Approved, December 11, 1941, 3:05 p.m., E. S. T.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on May 28, 2010, 07:32:01 PM
:facepalm:


$5 no one calls him out on this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on May 28, 2010, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 28, 2010, 07:32:01 PM
:facepalm:


$5 no one calls him out on this.

They say this stuff on purpose, as a distraction. Since people who would correct them have integrity and actually take the time to dig up the proper references, they all waste their time running after ridiculous statements rather than addressing issues.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Remington on May 29, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
Quote from: Kai on May 28, 2010, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 28, 2010, 07:32:01 PM
:facepalm:


$5 no one calls him out on this.

They say this stuff on purpose, as a distraction. Since people who would correct them have integrity and actually take the time to dig up the proper references, they all waste their time running after ridiculous statements rather than addressing issues.
It's like the political equivalent of deploying flares.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Q5wa7ttQiZk/Swu2tC39G6I/AAAAAAAAC8g/hM280jJxdvI/s1600/4.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Vene on June 05, 2010, 05:13:19 PM
QuoteA group of artists has been asked to lighten the faces of children depicted in a giant public mural at a Prescott school.

The project's leader says he was ordered to lighten the skin tone after complaints about the children's ethnicity. But the school's principal says the request was only to fix shading and had nothing to do with political pressure.

The "Go on Green" mural, which covers two walls outside Miller Valley Elementary School, was designed to advertise a campaign for environmentally friendly transportation. It features portraits of four children, with a Hispanic boy as the dominant figure.

R.E. Wall, director of Prescott's Downtown Mural Project, said he and other artists were subjected to slurs from motorists as they worked on the painting at one of the town's most prominent intersections.

"We consistently, for two months, had people shouting racial slander from their cars," Wall said. "We had children painting with us, and here come these yells of (epithet for Blacks) and (epithet for Hispanics)."

Wall said school Principal Jeff Lane pressed him to make the children's faces appear happier and brighter.

"It is being lightened because of the controversy," Wall said, adding that "they want it to look like the children are coming into light."

Lane said that he received only three complaints about the mural and that his request for a touch-up had nothing to do with political pressure. "We asked them to fix the shading on the children's faces," he said. "We were looking at it from an artistic view. Nothing at all to do with race."
[emphasis mine]
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on June 05, 2010, 08:02:49 PM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 06, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 28, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 28, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Seriously, I don't know why we wanted Arizona in the first place. It used to be part of Mexico, we should give it back. As if Mexico would take it.

It's kind of going in that direction, though, amirite? Arizona is basically vying for independence, and that can only go in one direction.


I'm betting that in the next 5 years or so, I will have the unequalled opportunity to see a civil war up close.

Yeah, it's going to get REALLY interesting, very soon.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 06, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Vene on June 05, 2010, 05:13:19 PM
QuoteA group of artists has been asked to lighten the faces of children depicted in a giant public mural at a Prescott school.

The project's leader says he was ordered to lighten the skin tone after complaints about the children's ethnicity. But the school's principal says the request was only to fix shading and had nothing to do with political pressure.

The "Go on Green" mural, which covers two walls outside Miller Valley Elementary School, was designed to advertise a campaign for environmentally friendly transportation. It features portraits of four children, with a Hispanic boy as the dominant figure.

R.E. Wall, director of Prescott's Downtown Mural Project, said he and other artists were subjected to slurs from motorists as they worked on the painting at one of the town's most prominent intersections.

"We consistently, for two months, had people shouting racial slander from their cars," Wall said. "We had children painting with us, and here come these yells of (epithet for Blacks) and (epithet for Hispanics)."

Wall said school Principal Jeff Lane pressed him to make the children's faces appear happier and brighter.

"It is being lightened because of the controversy," Wall said, adding that "they want it to look like the children are coming into light."

Lane said that he received only three complaints about the mural and that his request for a touch-up had nothing to do with political pressure. "We asked them to fix the shading on the children's faces," he said. "We were looking at it from an artistic view. Nothing at all to do with race."
[emphasis mine]
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html)

QuoteIn a broadcast last month, according to the Daily Courier in Prescott, Blair mistakenly complained that the most prominent child in the painting is African-American, saying: "To depict the biggest picture on the building as a Black person, I would have to ask the question: Why?"

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html#ixzz0q64JDkeL

These people are fucking insane.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 09, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: Nigel on June 06, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 28, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 28, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Seriously, I don't know why we wanted Arizona in the first place. It used to be part of Mexico, we should give it back. As if Mexico would take it.

It's kind of going in that direction, though, amirite? Arizona is basically vying for independence, and that can only go in one direction.


I'm betting that in the next 5 years or so, I will have the unequalled opportunity to see a civil war up close.

Yeah, it's going to get REALLY interesting, very soon.
That's what they said about "Lost".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 09, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 09, 2010, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: Nigel on June 06, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on May 28, 2010, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on May 28, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Seriously, I don't know why we wanted Arizona in the first place. It used to be part of Mexico, we should give it back. As if Mexico would take it.

It's kind of going in that direction, though, amirite? Arizona is basically vying for independence, and that can only go in one direction.


I'm betting that in the next 5 years or so, I will have the unequalled opportunity to see a civil war up close.

Yeah, it's going to get REALLY interesting, very soon.
That's what they said about "Lost".

You haven't been paying attention to the things Dok and I have been saying about Tucson, have you?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 09, 2010, 11:08:44 PM
Kind of, I have, I just associate hearing stuff like "It's going to get REALLY interesting, very soon"
with nothing ever really changing.

I suppose It's giving in to a conditioned response though, and I really should watch that stuff.  (Lost really was crap though!)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 10, 2010, 02:26:35 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 09, 2010, 11:08:44 PM
Kind of, I have, I just associate hearing stuff like "It's going to get REALLY interesting, very soon"
with nothing ever really changing.

I suppose It's giving in to a conditioned response though, and I really should watch that stuff.  (Lost really was crap though!)

Tucson is ALREADY very interesting. It's about to royally fucking, is what is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on June 10, 2010, 06:45:14 AM
You guys should rally the cabals and begin drilling.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 10, 2010, 07:20:04 AM
Who says we aren't already?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 10, 2010, 07:37:58 AM
Jo-Jo did. He's a bit of a loner, and a stoner. But even he knows it can't last.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on June 11, 2010, 08:21:10 AM
Quote from: Professor Freeky on June 10, 2010, 07:20:04 AM
Who says we aren't already?

I was hoping you'd say that. :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 14, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100612/us_time/08599199606400

QuoteBuoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene.

:facepalm: Why do they hate the Constitution so much?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on June 14, 2010, 04:52:20 PM
They love the constitution, its just they never read it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on June 14, 2010, 10:02:10 PM
Oh my god.  :lulz: and  :argh!: I hope someone draws them up short in public, preferably with cameras rolling.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on June 14, 2010, 11:06:02 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on June 14, 2010, 04:48:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100612/us_time/08599199606400

QuoteBuoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene.

:facepalm: Why do they hate the Constitution so much?

Enough people outside of Arizona either know the constitution and/or disagree with it that it will never happen. It is, in the most literal sense, unconstitutional, and there is no weaseling around the words because the constitution states it in very clear terms.

QuoteAll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

You can argue that, say, Mexicans aren't people, birth is a quality possessed only by white christians, citizens doesn't really mean citizens, and Arizona isn't a state (which is an interesting thought), but all of those won't hold outside of idiotville.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 15, 2010, 06:02:39 AM
That's the most annoying part of this. The people pushing this HAVE to know that this is blatantly unconstitutional and would never get to the point that it will ever be enforced. They are cynically pushing these laws to garner votes from ignorant racists. The sad part is that it fucking works.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on June 15, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
hell yeah they know it's unconstitutional

from the article---

Quote[the 14th amendment] was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

"We will write it right."

Thanks Pearce.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 15, 2010, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 15, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
hell yeah they know it's unconstitutional

from the article---

Quote[the 14th amendment] was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

"We will write it right."

Thanks Pearce.



I think it should be applied retroactively.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on June 15, 2010, 04:12:39 PM
Aren't these the same people who argue that the constitution is not a "living document", and should strictly adhere to the letter of the law, and not the spirit?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on June 15, 2010, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 15, 2010, 04:12:39 PM
Aren't these the same people who argue that the constitution is not a "living document", and should strictly adhere to the letter of the law, and not the spirit?
That only counts for the second amendment and fuck the rest of it.

:weary:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 15, 2010, 08:00:11 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 15, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
hell yeah they know it's unconstitutional

from the article---

Quote[the 14th amendment] was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

"We will write it right."

Thanks Pearce.



Pearce is to Arizona what Baby Doc Duvalier was to Haiti, only not as funny.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 15, 2010, 10:03:05 PM
Have you still got that mental Sherriff out there, who chain gangs County Jail inmates to death? He was on the TV over here the other night.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 15, 2010, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 15, 2010, 10:03:05 PM
Have you still got that mental Sherriff out there, who chain gangs County Jail inmates to death? He was on the TV over here the other night.

If you're talking about Sheriff Joe Arpaio, yes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 15, 2010, 10:41:19 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 15, 2010, 10:03:05 PM
Have you still got that mental Sherriff out there, who chain gangs County Jail inmates to death? He was on the TV over here the other night.

Yes.  He's a state treasure.  A living, breathing example of what happens when you let people in Tempe vote.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 12:09:58 AM
He's a fuckin' nutter is what he is! And don't all the good folks out there just love him, and his big ol' iron on his hip?
We used to have one like him, John Anderton, Chief Constable of somewhere or other, and he called himself "Gods Cop". But he got sacked for eating foetus or fisting Maggie Thatcher or something, and got ritually disembowelled by Prince Philip  between chukkas at a Polo Match I think. (Or was that Princess Margaret?)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 02:29:12 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 12:09:58 AM
He's a fuckin' nutter is what he is! And don't all the good folks out there just love him, and his big ol' iron on his hip?


Ahem.

Dok,
Carries iron on his hip, and isn't a racist fuckbag fascist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 02:35:10 AM
 The gun isn't the defining factor here, the  bloke plainly isn't right in the head, and shouldn't even be trusted with a supersoaker!  
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 02:57:21 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 02:35:10 AM
The gun isn't the defining factor here, the  bloke plainly isn't right in the head, and shouldn't even be trusted with a supersoaker!  

Because I am and have always been the very model of stability.   :lulz:

Sheriff Joe doesn't kill people with a gun.  He kills people with deputies.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 03:15:06 AM
Yeah, but he couldn't get hard for Mrs Sherriff Joe, without his gun in his hand. (unholy union of the mad and the madder)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 03:20:04 AM
What I cant work out is why they were on our TV! Strutting around like a mutant little gamecock, "shall I go for the Governers job"? smirking all over his dumpling face, eyes all mad like a chickens. Only caught the last five minutes, but I don't think ill ever forget that face.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on June 16, 2010, 03:20:04 AM
What I cant work out is why they were on our TV! Strutting around like a mutant little gamecock, "shall I go for the Governers job"? smirking all over his dumpling face, eyes all mad like a chickens. Only caught the last five minutes, but I don't think ill ever forget that face.


Oh, yeah.

(http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/immigration_hmed10phmedium.jpg)

The attack of Thundertoad.  Every backwoods bumblefuck thug sheriff cliche, all rolled into one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Arizona is just one of many large scale lessons of humanity going on today. Sit down, watch and learn kiddies. And do try to take notes so you can NOT replicate this later.  8)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 16, 2010, 05:47:53 AM
The fact that everybody is calling what Arizona is doing "ignorant" and "racist," and labeling the establishment there as a callous inhuman monstrosity, and belittling the people of Arizona as hicks and rednecks, is exactly why no progress is being made. This is classic divide and conquer, people. We should be reasoning with these people and convincing them (and ourselves) of our shared enemy!
  \
(http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinnportrait.png) (http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html)

...of course, what Arizona is doing really is ignorant and racist. I'm just saying...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Arizona is just one of many large scale lessons of humanity going on today. Sit down, watch and learn kiddies. And do try to take notes so you can NOT replicate this later.  8)

HOLD MAH BEER, KAI!  WATCH THIS!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on June 16, 2010, 05:47:53 AM
The fact that everybody is calling what Arizona is doing "ignorant" and "racist," and labeling the establishment there as a callous inhuman monstrosity, and belittling the people of Arizona as hicks and rednecks, is exactly why no progress is being made. This is classic divide and conquer, people. We should be reasoning with these people and convincing them (and ourselves) of our shared enemy!
  \
(http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinnportrait.png) (http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html)

...of course, what Arizona is doing really is ignorant and racist. I'm just saying...

No.  If any of you fuckers had an ounce of sense, you'd toss AZ out of the union.

Trust me on this one.  I am a Doktor.  I know the face of degeneracy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Arizona is just one of many large scale lessons of humanity going on today. Sit down, watch and learn kiddies. And do try to take notes so you can NOT replicate this later.  8)

HOLD MAH BEER, KAI!  WATCH THIS!

The only way people learn is by shoving the lessons of history down their throats over and over until they get painful sores.

Part of that process is documenting.

That is what we should be doing right now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Arizona is just one of many large scale lessons of humanity going on today. Sit down, watch and learn kiddies. And do try to take notes so you can NOT replicate this later.  8)

HOLD MAH BEER, KAI!  WATCH THIS!

The only way people learn is by shoving the lessons of history down their throats over and over until they get painful sores.

Part of that process is documenting.

That is what we should be doing right now.

Shit was documented 225 years ago.  Nobody reads it. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on June 16, 2010, 06:06:45 PM
Incrementalism interrupted by bouts of backpedaling. 

That's probably being generous. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on June 16, 2010, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Quote from: Kai on June 16, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Arizona is just one of many large scale lessons of humanity going on today. Sit down, watch and learn kiddies. And do try to take notes so you can NOT replicate this later.  8)

HOLD MAH BEER, KAI!  WATCH THIS!

The only way people learn is by shoving the lessons of history down their throats over and over until they get painful sores.

Part of that process is documenting.

That is what we should be doing right now.

Shit was documented 225 years ago.  Nobody reads it. 

Too ancient. If it didn't happen last Thursday, the young'uns don't care.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on July 15, 2010, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 14, 2010, 08:11:13 AM
Quote from: Manabu on May 14, 2010, 03:36:37 AM
the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

At least one person has already been detained despite having a drivers license with him.  So no, a drivers license is not considered valid by the cops. 

The man in question was probably not suspected of anything either (it happened when he stopped at a truck weigh station), but I'll concede that it is possible there was some irregularity not mentioned by the news.

If you actually read the law (I have by the way) you'll find that:

A) All immigrants must carry a green card at all times (this was already federal law, but they have upped the penalty in Arizona from 100 dollars to 500 dollars, a jail sentence, and deportation).  A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.  Even if it was proof of legal residence, it does not fulfill the requirement of the green card, as per the text of the bill.

B) A cop has full authority to decide if a person is an immigrant.  So even if he has no evidence a person is an immigrant (legal or otherwise), they can be detained for not having a green card on them.

C) Deportation is now mandatory for parking tickets and jaywalking (any fine levied by the government, at all, requires deportation).

Please read the fucking bill before responding.

Hey Req - I used these points in a debate on another forum, and i'm being asked for a citation.

I'm looking at the text of the law, and it looks like a driver's license works. Do you have a better citation?

text of law: http://www.scribd.com/doc/31005811/SB-1070-Signed

                 see page 2, line 37

gimme a hand here
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on July 15, 2010, 07:50:51 PM
The cops who arrested him weren't following the law in the first place, it was before the law took effect.

http://www.azfamily.com/video/featured-videos/Man-says-he-was-racially-targeted-forced-to-provide-birth-certificate-91769419.html

That also doesn't match the version of the bill I have, looks like its the house enrolled version, from before the amendments were pushed on it.

www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BADGE OF HONOR on July 16, 2010, 01:56:57 AM
http://sltrib.com/sltrib/home/49936537-76/list-information-utah-herbert.html.csp

QuoteState investigators have pinpointed the Department of Workforce Services as the source of data used to compile a list of 1,300 people who are purportedly in the country illegally.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 16, 2010, 02:49:33 AM
Arizona is the meth lab of democracy, you guise!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-26-2010/law---border
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Remington on July 16, 2010, 07:09:12 AM
Only in Arizona:
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ (http://www.heartattackgrill.com/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill)

This is an actual place, and they seem to be trying to kill their patrons. The "Quadruple Bypass Burger" features up to 2 pounds of meat (8,000 calories* between two greasy buns), and the "Flatliner Fries" are cooked in pure lard*. People over 350lb eat free*.





*Yes, really







Edit: Related:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html (http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on July 16, 2010, 01:45:42 PM
Fries cooked in lard are delicious.  Just saying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 16, 2010, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: Remington on July 16, 2010, 07:09:12 AM
Only in Arizona:
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ (http://www.heartattackgrill.com/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill)

This is an actual place, and they seem to be trying to kill their patrons. The "Quadruple Bypass Burger" features up to 2 pounds of meat (8,000 calories* between two greasy buns), and the "Flatliner Fries" are cooked in pure lard*. People over 350lb eat free*.





*Yes, really







Edit: Related:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html (http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html)

This place was featured on either Food Network or the Travel Channel. What's funny is the guy who owns the joint is a dietician and kknows this stuff is bad for you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on July 16, 2010, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 15, 2010, 07:50:51 PM
The cops who arrested him weren't following the law in the first place, it was before the law took effect.

http://www.azfamily.com/video/featured-videos/Man-says-he-was-racially-targeted-forced-to-provide-birth-certificate-91769419.html

That also doesn't match the version of the bill I have, looks like its the house enrolled version, from before the amendments were pushed on it.

www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

cool - now I got the bit about parking tickets requiring deportation

--but what about the part where a driver's license doesn't qualify as proof of citizenship? There are no mentions of drivers licenses, birth certificates, or green cards in this doc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on July 16, 2010, 03:45:54 PM
Green cards are mentioned, sortof, they require compliance with a federal law that requires green cards, that's not actually new, though the penalty is much higher.  It's been a while since I read it, but from what I wrote earlier (when it was fresh in my mind), its up to the cop to decide if a person is an immigrant or not, the 'driver's license doesn't count' thing comes from the way the cops in Arizona already act (see the article).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on July 20, 2010, 10:25:05 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 16, 2010, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: Remington on July 16, 2010, 07:09:12 AM
Only in Arizona:
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/ (http://www.heartattackgrill.com/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill)

This is an actual place, and they seem to be trying to kill their patrons. The "Quadruple Bypass Burger" features up to 2 pounds of meat (8,000 calories* between two greasy buns), and the "Flatliner Fries" are cooked in pure lard*. People over 350lb eat free*.





*Yes, really







Edit: Related:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html (http://www.cracked.com/video_18133_8-great-foods-explaining-why-terrorists-hate-us.html)

This place was featured on either Food Network or the Travel Channel. What's funny is the guy who owns the joint is a dietician and kknows this stuff is bad for you.

thats evil genius at work! Kill em off faster!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on July 20, 2010, 11:35:50 AM

I read that they are sending 500ish national guards to Tucson, to watch the Arizona borders  :lulz: supposedly they are planning on sending 700 more.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/primera/35260.html (http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/primera/35260.html)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on July 28, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Gov. Brewer owned, for now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

QuotePHOENIX — A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the most controversial parts of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect, delivering a last-minute victory to opponents of the crackdown.

The overall law will still take effect Thursday, but without the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled that the controversial sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues.

The ruling came just as police were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law at 12:01 a.m. Thursday and protesters were planning a large demonstrations to speak out against the measure. At least one group planned to block access to federal offices, daring officers to ask them their immigration status.

The volume of the protests will be likely be turned down a few notches because of the ruling by Bolton, a Clinton appointee who suddenly became a crucial figure in the immigration debate when she was assigned the seven lawsuits filed against the Arizona law.

Lawyers for the state contend the law was a constitutionally sound attempt by Arizona — the busiest illegal gateway into the country — to assist federal immigration agents and lessen border woes such as the heavy costs for educating, jailing and providing health care for illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Joe is going to be some pissed. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 28, 2010, 06:54:49 PM
:169:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pæs on July 28, 2010, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 28, 2010, 06:54:49 PM
:169:
I think a "169% DELAYED" emote would do better here.
Opponents of racism will eventually learn that you just can't fight progress.
Or something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 28, 2010, 07:16:29 PM
Quote from: Ferka Zarco on July 28, 2010, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 28, 2010, 06:54:49 PM
:169:
I think a "169% DELAYED" emote would do better here.
Opponents of racism will eventually learn that you just can't fight progress.
Or something.

It's still better than that shit starting up right away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pæs on July 28, 2010, 07:17:49 PM
It's definitely less fail this way, yeah.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Our engineer is throwing an outright tantrum over this.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 28, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Our engineer is throwing an outright tantrum over this.   :lulz:

For srs?  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 07:33:02 PM
It's nice to see judges with cajones these days.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 28, 2010, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Our engineer is throwing an outright tantrum over this.   :lulz:

For real?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on July 28, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
With all the Fail Boltons running around, Michael, Josh, John, etc., it's good to see someone can do the name some justice. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
Mike is STILL ranting!   :lulz:

"MIGHT AS WELL JUST LET THEM ALL IN AND GIVE THEM OUR DOCTORS AND OUR CARS!"

(To get the full effect, imagine a nerdy, nasal, squeaky voice at full volume.)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Aucoq on July 28, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
Mike is STILL ranting!   :lulz:

"MIGHT AS WELL JUST LET THEM ALL IN AND GIVE THEM OUR DOCTORS AND OUR CARS!"

(To get the full effect, imagine a nerdy, nasal, squeaky voice at full volume.)

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 28, 2010, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
Mike is STILL ranting!   :lulz:

"MIGHT AS WELL JUST LET THEM ALL IN AND GIVE THEM OUR DOCTORS AND OUR CARS!"

(To get the full effect, imagine a nerdy, nasal, squeaky voice at full volume.)

POINT BEHIND HIM AND YELL "MEXICAN!!!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on July 28, 2010, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Our engineer is throwing an outright tantrum over this.   :lulz:
Fire him. Hire a competent Mexican to replace him.  :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Gov. Brewer owned, for now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

QuotePHOENIX — A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the most controversial parts of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect, delivering a last-minute victory to opponents of the crackdown.

The overall law will still take effect Thursday, but without the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled that the controversial sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues.

The ruling came just as police were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law at 12:01 a.m. Thursday and protesters were planning a large demonstrations to speak out against the measure. At least one group planned to block access to federal offices, daring officers to ask them their immigration status.

The volume of the protests will be likely be turned down a few notches because of the ruling by Bolton, a Clinton appointee who suddenly became a crucial figure in the immigration debate when she was assigned the seven lawsuits filed against the Arizona law.

Lawyers for the state contend the law was a constitutionally sound attempt by Arizona — the busiest illegal gateway into the country — to assist federal immigration agents and lessen border woes such as the heavy costs for educating, jailing and providing health care for illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Joe is going to be some pissed. 

NPR reports he's vowed to enforce the law regardless.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jasper on July 28, 2010, 09:06:56 PM
Can't he get fired just for saying that?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 09:05:51 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 06:51:52 PM
Gov. Brewer owned, for now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

QuotePHOENIX — A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the most controversial parts of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect, delivering a last-minute victory to opponents of the crackdown.

The overall law will still take effect Thursday, but without the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

The judge also put on hold parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled that the controversial sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues.

The ruling came just as police were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law at 12:01 a.m. Thursday and protesters were planning a large demonstrations to speak out against the measure. At least one group planned to block access to federal offices, daring officers to ask them their immigration status.

The volume of the protests will be likely be turned down a few notches because of the ruling by Bolton, a Clinton appointee who suddenly became a crucial figure in the immigration debate when she was assigned the seven lawsuits filed against the Arizona law.

Lawyers for the state contend the law was a constitutionally sound attempt by Arizona — the busiest illegal gateway into the country — to assist federal immigration agents and lessen border woes such as the heavy costs for educating, jailing and providing health care for illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Joe is going to be some pissed. 

NPR reports he's vowed to enforce the law regardless.

OH, FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
Someone needs to find that asshole drunk, driving, and fucked up so he can be treated like the thousands he's fucked over.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 28, 2010, 09:10:38 PM
Dream on, he won't be touched. Remember who and where he is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
OUT OF CONTROL SHERIFF!  WOOOOOOOOO!

I see Federal Marshalls in the near future.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 28, 2010, 09:13:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:12:21 PM
OUT OF CONTROL SHERIFF!  WOOOOOOOOO!

I see Federal Marshalls in the near future.

Ok, now that would be fun to watch.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on July 28, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 28, 2010, 09:06:56 PM
Can't he get fired just for saying that?

Not if he was elected.  Do Sheriffs get elected in Arizona? 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: RWHN on July 28, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: Sigmatic on July 28, 2010, 09:06:56 PM
Can't he get fired just for saying that?

Not if he was elected.  Do Sheriffs get elected in Arizona? 

Yes.  And he'd refuse to step down, even if Brewer COULD and WOULD fire him (she wouldn't).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on July 28, 2010, 09:30:23 PM
Yeah, no way she'd fire him.  She's clearly hitched her train to this thing.  I can't wait to watch Hannity lose his shit over this tonite.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 09:34:01 PM
Rog, weren't you talking about some sort of civil war type atmosphere in AZ?  This seems like it could tip off some sort of, uh, reaction in that direction.  I'm not saying full-scale, but I can see some military presence being called in, etc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 09:34:01 PM
Rog, weren't you talking about some sort of civil war type atmosphere in AZ?  This seems like it could tip off some sort of, uh, reaction in that direction.  I'm not saying full-scale, but I can see some military presence being called in, etc.

Good God, I hope so.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 09:37:32 PM
5 bucks says if the US military makes a show of force in AZ the Utah militia nutjobs head south too.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 28, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
The sooner this thing goes critical, the better.

I suggest starting rumours that illegals are working at army bases and have been implicated in theft of military equipement, and see if the teabaggers are stupid enough to take the bait and protest a military base with their usual finesse and style (ie incoherent ranting, often while holding weapons).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 28, 2010, 09:46:02 PM
WHERE'S THAT POPCORN EMOTE?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 28, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on July 28, 2010, 09:37:32 PM
5 bucks says if the US military makes a show of force in AZ the Utah militia nutjobs head south too.

Naw, too far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 28, 2010, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 28, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
The sooner this thing goes critical, the better.

I suggest starting rumours that illegals are working at army bases and have been implicated in theft of military equipement, and see if the teabaggers are stupid enough to take the bait and protest a military base with their usual finesse and style (ie incoherent ranting, often while holding weapons).

I stand in awe of your deviousness.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on July 29, 2010, 01:27:08 AM

Im not so sure but...

Given that so much economic gain comes from paying illegal workers low fares as to compared what a citizen would be paid for...

I think that its not a real win until all those workers are given rights.

What i mean is that this overall turn of events to deport illegal workers was a move from the screeching conservatives, and that the figures in power were not inclined to support it, was due to exploitative informal economy gains other than anything else.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on July 29, 2010, 04:25:11 AM
And you hit upon the real solution to illegal immigration.

Enforce the labor laws and there won't be any reason for businesses to hire them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:21:33 AM
...and then HELLO INFLATION! HOW ARE YA, HOW'S THE FAM?

Businesses will well, go out of business, left and right, all the way down the pike.  Johnnyx has made the biggest point of all, and really, everyone knows it, but no one LIKES it.  Because it's a "LIBRUL" idea.  A "PROGRESSIVE" notion.

Neverfuckingmind that practically EVERY Conservative president of the US the last 30 years has been FOR it.  Guest worker programs, "amnesty," you name it, the last few Republican presidents from Reagan to Bush II, they wanted it.  I know guys like Tancredo are more of the "kick the bastids back out of the country" type, but the Senator Graham-types have been more conciliatory and realize they will lose GENERATIONS of Latino voters if this shit continues.

Teabaggers, they don't wanna hear that.  And they don't give a fuck.

Nerp.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 29, 2010, 07:00:06 AM
Okay, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit here...

The AZ law is terrible. But the fact that it was passed is, I think, less a testament to backwoods racism in AZ than it is to the growing frustration with the Federal Government's refusal to enforce existing law in any meaningful way. Personally, I'm not a racist, but I do think the US needs to actually control its borders. It's easier to sneak into the US and set up shop than any other developed nation in the world. The Federal Government has done practically nothing for 30 years about illegal immigration. A few round-ups, a few border patrol agents here and there, a fence (lol).

I support expanded, legal immigration. Obviously there are millions of people who would rather be here than their own countries, and I'm fine with that. But we should be doing it openly, respectfully, and above-board. Having such a restricted legal immigration channel and then doing nearly nothing to combat illegal immigration compounds all kinds of problems. And there are problems caused by illegal immigration. People come here and multiply but can't join society because of their "illegal" status. So generations of people grow up here but never identify themselves as Americans, which leads to self-segregation, economic stress, cultural clashes, crime, a sub-class of bottom-rung workers with practically no chance for advancement, etc.

The right-wing activists would have a little less to complain about and a lot less to say that other people are willing to hear, if the Federal Government would enact sensible immigration policy and then enforce it. The AZ law wouldn't have been passed if DC had been doing its job in the first place.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
Sometimes posts on this board really surprise me.

There is an estimated 12 million illegal Mexican Nationals in this country. Now, I don't know how anyone could actually estimate this accurately, so let's say conservatively there are 6 million.

Screechers want them all gone tomorrow. You bet! Let's rip 6 million workers out of the fabric of the American workforce and just see what happens.

I hope you don't want any more vegetables or nice smooth roads or any untold number of services these people provide.

Instead of standing at the border barking we should just open the border and be done with it. The simple fact is the border is already for all intents and purpose wide open. Drugs are pouring into this country from Mexico in record numbers. Mexican Nationals can cross the border at will.

And then let's discuss the most obvious thing of all. This country is in a deep economic crisis. Illegals are a cheap workforce. But please continue to ignore the facts and continue to yell about them taking your jobs, jobs you wouldn't do in the first place.

A Jenne has already mentioned a guest worker program would solve just about everything the schreechers are screeching about.

But, continue watching all the side shows while the main stage is eerily quiet and empty.


*Steps down from soapbox*
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 11:04:11 AM
Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- Jairo Tellez's seafood distribution business is a family affair. In the industrial warehouse that houses J and V Mariscos on the west side of Phoenix, his wife, Vicki, and four of his seven children load trucks, take phone calls, enter data and help care for his infant grandson, who has a playpen in Tellez's office.

But with portions of Arizona's controversial immigration enforcement law set to take effect Thursday, the business is in limbo.

"If people are not eating, we're not selling," said Wendy Cisneros, a family friend who works in the back office. "We've lost 60 percent of sales, and right now the future's uncertain. We don't know if we're going to stay in the state; we don't know if we're going to close the business. Everything's up in the air."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/arizona.immigration.economy/index.html?hpt=T1
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio has a message to the people who intend to protest the controversial Arizona immigration law tomorrow: "I'm ready for it."

"I hear a rumor they want to block my jails. So if they want to block the jails they can have a little trip in the jails," Arpaio told me on "GMA." "So we are not going to put up with any civil disobedience just because they want to show, give a message through the media about this situation that is occurring here in Arizona."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/07/az-sheriff-to-protesters-if-you-block-the-jail-youll-end-up-in-the-jail.html

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 07:00:06 AM
Okay, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit here...

The AZ law is terrible. But the fact that it was passed is, I think, less a testament to backwoods racism in AZ than it is to the growing frustration with the Federal Government's refusal to enforce existing law in any meaningful way. Personally, I'm not a racist, but I do think the US needs to actually control its borders. It's easier to sneak into the US and set up shop than any other developed nation in the world. The Federal Government has done practically nothing for 30 years about illegal immigration. A few round-ups, a few border patrol agents here and there, a fence (lol).

I support expanded, legal immigration. Obviously there are millions of people who would rather be here than their own countries, and I'm fine with that. But we should be doing it openly, respectfully, and above-board. Having such a restricted legal immigration channel and then doing nearly nothing to combat illegal immigration compounds all kinds of problems. And there are problems caused by illegal immigration. People come here and multiply but can't join society because of their "illegal" status. So generations of people grow up here but never identify themselves as Americans, which leads to self-segregation, economic stress, cultural clashes, crime, a sub-class of bottom-rung workers with practically no chance for advancement, etc.

The right-wing activists would have a little less to complain about and a lot less to say that other people are willing to hear, if the Federal Government would enact sensible immigration policy and then enforce it. The AZ law wouldn't have been passed if DC had been doing its job in the first place.

Vex, there are always better ways to deal with immigrants than to take away rights of citizens at the same time.  It's not just the racism, dude.  It's the same idiotic principle that's been at play since 9/11.  That sacrificing our liberties is worth the payoff of so-called security. 

It's bullshit.  Total and PROVEN TO BE bullshit.  Anyone who works in the facts and figures will tell you:  immigration does NOT cause increase in crime.  Paying for illegal immigrants to go to school and have health care acutally PAYS OFF in the long run with a smarter, harder working, healthier workforce.

Anyone duped into thinking a law like this is "necessary" to "force the federal government's hand" into doing anything "worthy," they are buying oceanfront property in Nevada.  All this means is they will tighten their grip on civil rights like Patriot Acts. 

But, you know, overreaction to social and legal injustices is just so passee...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:04:11 AM
Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- Jairo Tellez's seafood distribution business is a family affair. In the industrial warehouse that houses J and V Mariscos on the west side of Phoenix, his wife, Vicki, and four of his seven children load trucks, take phone calls, enter data and help care for his infant grandson, who has a playpen in Tellez's office.

But with portions of Arizona's controversial immigration enforcement law set to take effect Thursday, the business is in limbo.

"If people are not eating, we're not selling," said Wendy Cisneros, a family friend who works in the back office. "We've lost 60 percent of sales, and right now the future's uncertain. We don't know if we're going to stay in the state; we don't know if we're going to close the business. Everything's up in the air."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/arizona.immigration.economy/index.html?hpt=T1

This is the economic fallout Rog originally talked about.  Businesses in AZ, businesses that folks like Sheriff Joe and his ilk don't realize are a fundamental part of the microeconomy of that state, will be folding and coming to, say, CALIFUCKINGFORNIA, instead.

And you won't find our state trying a Prop 87 again any time soon.  Although, I guess I should be careful what I say because if Meg fucking Whitman makes it to the governator's seat, we may be in for another, uh, "interesting" ride.  I can only hope she falls on her fat fucking face in the debates this fall.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:04:11 AM
Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- Jairo Tellez's seafood distribution business is a family affair. In the industrial warehouse that houses J and V Mariscos on the west side of Phoenix, his wife, Vicki, and four of his seven children load trucks, take phone calls, enter data and help care for his infant grandson, who has a playpen in Tellez's office.

But with portions of Arizona's controversial immigration enforcement law set to take effect Thursday, the business is in limbo.

"If people are not eating, we're not selling," said Wendy Cisneros, a family friend who works in the back office. "We've lost 60 percent of sales, and right now the future's uncertain. We don't know if we're going to stay in the state; we don't know if we're going to close the business. Everything's up in the air."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/arizona.immigration.economy/index.html?hpt=T1

This is the economic fallout Rog originally talked about.  Businesses in AZ, businesses that folks like Sheriff Joe and his ilk don't realize are a fundamental part of the microeconomy of that state, will be folding and coming to, say, CALIFUCKINGFORNIA, instead.

And you won't find our state trying a Prop 87 again any time soon.  Although, I guess I should be careful what I say because if Meg fucking Whitman makes it to the governator's seat, we may be in for another, uh, "interesting" ride.  I can only hope she falls on her fat fucking face in the debates this fall.

It will be interesting to see what the judge decides with finality.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 29, 2010, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 07:00:06 AM
Okay, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit here...

The AZ law is terrible. But the fact that it was passed is, I think, less a testament to backwoods racism in AZ than it is to the growing frustration with the Federal Government's refusal to enforce existing law in any meaningful way. Personally, I'm not a racist, but I do think the US needs to actually control its borders. It's easier to sneak into the US and set up shop than any other developed nation in the world. The Federal Government has done practically nothing for 30 years about illegal immigration. A few round-ups, a few border patrol agents here and there, a fence (lol).

I support expanded, legal immigration. Obviously there are millions of people who would rather be here than their own countries, and I'm fine with that. But we should be doing it openly, respectfully, and above-board. Having such a restricted legal immigration channel and then doing nearly nothing to combat illegal immigration compounds all kinds of problems. And there are problems caused by illegal immigration. People come here and multiply but can't join society because of their "illegal" status. So generations of people grow up here but never identify themselves as Americans, which leads to self-segregation, economic stress, cultural clashes, crime, a sub-class of bottom-rung workers with practically no chance for advancement, etc.

The right-wing activists would have a little less to complain about and a lot less to say that other people are willing to hear, if the Federal Government would enact sensible immigration policy and then enforce it. The AZ law wouldn't have been passed if DC had been doing its job in the first place.

Vex, there are always better ways to deal with immigrants than to take away rights of citizens at the same time.  It's not just the racism, dude.  It's the same idiotic principle that's been at play since 9/11.  That sacrificing our liberties is worth the payoff of so-called security. 

It's bullshit.  Total and PROVEN TO BE bullshit.  Anyone who works in the facts and figures will tell you:  immigration does NOT cause increase in crime.  Paying for illegal immigrants to go to school and have health care acutally PAYS OFF in the long run with a smarter, harder working, healthier workforce.

Anyone duped into thinking a law like this is "necessary" to "force the federal government's hand" into doing anything "worthy," they are buying oceanfront property in Nevada.  All this means is they will tighten their grip on civil rights like Patriot Acts. 

But, you know, overreaction to social and legal injustices is just so passee...

I'm not taking the Minuteman position here. I'm just saying we have immigration laws, and we should enforce them. If the laws aren't working, then we need to revise them, and enforce the new ones. We shouldn't just leave the system broke and ignore the consequences.

And by saying illegal immigration causes crime, I'm not saying that everyone coming across the border is a criminal, but that the defacto segregation between citizens and non-citizens results in higher social abrasion. It's true that most of them just want to work and earn an income they can't in Mexico. But that's also a problem. If they don't come here to join America, only to work, then they are not interested in being Americans. They have no intention of integrating, and even if they did, our broken immigration rules wouldn't let them integrate.

The US is not Mexico. If Mexico has failed these people so badly that they must pack up and move to another country, then that should be reflected in their actions. If they want to live here, then they should identify themselves as Americans first and Mexicans second, which they don't (partly because they don't want to and partly because some elements of our society won't let them). America is a nation of immigrants. One of our biggest strengths is our ability to accept anyone. But we can't be expected to accept people who don't really want to be here, but are forced by political or economic reasons to be here, and who send everything they earn out of the country and expect to eventually move back out of the country themselves. That isn't immigration.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on July 29, 2010, 02:43:27 PM

Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 07:00:06 AM
Okay, just playing Devil's Advocate a bit here...

The AZ law is terrible. But the fact that it was passed is, I think, less a testament to backwoods racism in AZ than it is to the growing frustration with the Federal Government's refusal to enforce existing law in any meaningful way. Personally, I'm not a racist, but I do think the US needs to actually control its borders. It's easier to sneak into the US and set up shop than any other developed nation in the world. The Federal Government has done practically nothing for 30 years about illegal immigration. A few round-ups, a few border patrol agents here and there, a fence (lol).

I support expanded, legal immigration. Obviously there are millions of people who would rather be here than their own countries, and I'm fine with that. But we should be doing it openly, respectfully, and above-board. Having such a restricted legal immigration channel and then doing nearly nothing to combat illegal immigration compounds all kinds of problems. And there are problems caused by illegal immigration. People come here and multiply but can't join society because of their "illegal" status. So generations of people grow up here but never identify themselves as Americans, which leads to self-segregation, economic stress, cultural clashes, crime, a sub-class of bottom-rung workers with practically no chance for advancement, etc.

The right-wing activists would have a little less to complain about and a lot less to say that other people are willing to hear, if the Federal Government would enact sensible immigration policy and then enforce it. The AZ law wouldn't have been passed if DC had been doing its job in the first place.

I agree with everything except the bolded parts.

Besides, the subsequent economic crash in Arizona would be definitely horrorlulz.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on July 29, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 02:38:30 PM
The US is not Mexico. If Mexico has failed these people so badly that they must pack up and move to another country, then that should be reflected in their actions. If they want to live here, then they should identify themselves as Americans first and Mexicans second, which they don't (partly because they don't want to and partly because some elements of our society won't let them). America is a nation of immigrants. One of our biggest strengths is our ability to accept anyone. But we can't be expected to accept people who don't really want to be here, but are forced by political or economic reasons to be here, and who send everything they earn out of the country and expect to eventually move back out of the country themselves. That isn't immigration.

Im not sure you have much to back up these claims.

Also, your idea of living somewhere out of mutual benefit not being enough to be there, but also needing to assimilate some metaphysical notion of "being American" sounds a bit strange.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 02:38:30 PM

I'm not taking the Minuteman position here. I'm just saying we have immigration laws, and we should enforce them. If the laws aren't working, then we need to revise them, and enforce the new ones. We shouldn't just leave the system broke and ignore the consequences.

And by saying illegal immigration causes crime, I'm not saying that everyone coming across the border is a criminal, but that the defacto segregation between citizens and non-citizens results in higher social abrasion. It's true that most of them just want to work and earn an income they can't in Mexico. But that's also a problem. If they don't come here to join America, only to work, then they are not interested in being Americans. They have no intention of integrating, and even if they did, our broken immigration rules wouldn't let them integrate.

The US is not Mexico. If Mexico has failed these people so badly that they must pack up and move to another country, then that should be reflected in their actions. If they want to live here, then they should identify themselves as Americans first and Mexicans second, which they don't (partly because they don't want to and partly because some elements of our society won't let them). America is a nation of immigrants. One of our biggest strengths is our ability to accept anyone. But we can't be expected to accept people who don't really want to be here, but are forced by political or economic reasons to be here, and who send everything they earn out of the country and expect to eventually move back out of the country themselves. That isn't immigration.

1.  You took an apologist stance, pure and simple.  "The Arizonans have no CHOICE but to bring in the stinky because the Feds won't change the diapers!"  It's bullshit.

2.  The call for immigration law reform is a constant in the US universe.  You know about the pendulum swing, right?  That during boon times everyone's pretty lackadaisical. "Yeah, sure, come pick my strawberries for 5 cents on the dollar!  I want 'em as cheap as I can get 'em!"  But when the hard times hit, "Operation Wetback" begins again (that's an actual operation, by the way, to send the Mexicans back across the border during the Eisenhauer administration).

3.  That idea that Mexicans aren't HERE, too STAY, is debunked entirely by the fact that whites are now the ethnic minority in CA.  Get with the times, man.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on July 29, 2010, 02:38:30 PM

I'm not taking the Minuteman position here. I'm just saying we have immigration laws, and we should enforce them. If the laws aren't working, then we need to revise them, and enforce the new ones. We shouldn't just leave the system broke and ignore the consequences.

And by saying illegal immigration causes crime, I'm not saying that everyone coming across the border is a criminal, but that the defacto segregation between citizens and non-citizens results in higher social abrasion. It's true that most of them just want to work and earn an income they can't in Mexico. But that's also a problem. If they don't come here to join America, only to work, then they are not interested in being Americans. They have no intention of integrating, and even if they did, our broken immigration rules wouldn't let them integrate.

The US is not Mexico. If Mexico has failed these people so badly that they must pack up and move to another country, then that should be reflected in their actions. If they want to live here, then they should identify themselves as Americans first and Mexicans second, which they don't (partly because they don't want to and partly because some elements of our society won't let them). America is a nation of immigrants. One of our biggest strengths is our ability to accept anyone. But we can't be expected to accept people who don't really want to be here, but are forced by political or economic reasons to be here, and who send everything they earn out of the country and expect to eventually move back out of the country themselves. That isn't immigration.

1.  You took an apologist stance, pure and simple.  "The Arizonans have no CHOICE but to bring in the stinky because the Feds won't change the diapers!"  It's bullshit.

2.  The call for immigration law reform is a constant in the US universe.  You know about the pendulum swing, right?  That during boon times everyone's pretty lackadaisical. "Yeah, sure, come pick my strawberries for 5 cents on the dollar!  I want 'em as cheap as I can get 'em!"  But when the hard times hit, "Operation Wetback" begins again (that's an actual operation, by the way, to send the Mexicans back across the border during the Eisenhauer administration).

3.  That idea that Mexicans aren't HERE, too STAY, is debunked entirely by the fact that whites are now the ethnic minority in CA.  Get with the times, man.

JENNE! CIRCLE THEM THAR WAGONS! THAR;S MEXIECUNS OUT THAR!!! SHOOT ANYTHING THAT IS A MOVIN'!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:13:05 PM
How's this for "an unusual stance no one else wants to say"?

ARIZONA HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT ITSELF FOR HOW THINGS HAVE DEVOLVED THERE.  They have fucked up their economy six ways to Sunday--not on the backs of their illegals, but in the mismanagement of their budget.  They failed to see a housing boom and consequential business boom as ever having an ending, an abrupt bubble burst, say heralded for the 9 months leading UP to it by every fucking economist worth their salt.  We heard about the 2012 of the housing market waaaaaay before it fucking happened.  But some states got greedy and milked that fucker.

...and then there were spending cuts that could've been made and weren't.

Here's one little factoid: 
QuoteThe state's prisons now house 10,800 more prisoners at a cost of $405.4 million.
http://knowledge.wpcarey.asu.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1885

Eat that, Sheriff Joe.  You're part of the problem, not the solution.

And here's something that states like AZ (and CA) are failing to realize--sure you need to cut back and reduce your spending in your state budgets.  But making it so that education and health care take the bigger falls means you will have to increase your prison budgets accordingly.  Shoring up your resources is what saves you in the short and long run.

But states apparently only need to deport the Brownies to save themselves and make themselves feel better, I guess.  You know how the FEELING of security is worth so much more than actual, hard-earned security.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:13:05 PM
How's this for "an unusual stance no one else wants to say"?

ARIZONA HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT ITSELF FOR HOW THINGS HAVE DEVOLVED THERE.  They have fucked up their economy six ways to Sunday--not on the backs of their illegals, but in the mismanagement of their budget.  They failed to see a housing boom and consequential business boom as ever having an ending, an abrupt bubble burst, say heralded for the 9 months leading UP to it by every fucking economist worth their salt.  We heard about the 2012 of the housing market waaaaaay before it fucking happened.  But some states got greedy and milked that fucker.

...and then there were spending cuts that could've been made and weren't.

Here's one little factoid: 
QuoteThe state's prisons now house 10,800 more prisoners at a cost of $405.4 million.
http://knowledge.wpcarey.asu.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1885

Eat that, Sheriff Joe.  You're part of the problem, not the solution.

And here's something that states like AZ (and CA) are failing to realize--sure you need to cut back and reduce your spending in your state budgets.  But making it so that education and health care take the bigger falls means you will have to increase your prison budgets accordingly.  Shoring up your resources is what saves you in the short and long run.

But states apparently only need to deport the Brownies to save themselves and make themselves feel better, I guess.  You know how the FEELING of security is worth so much more than actual, hard-earned security.

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:23:02 PM
...oh by the way, I don't give two fucks about the folks staying past their visas.  I know quite a few of them.  I just brought that up as an example of Americans' stupidity about their own situations.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.

Nope, you nailed it Jenne, it's all about Mexicans.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
There're several fronts that the US government could be working harder on to "seal" this immigration thing.  And it isn't.

Anyone ever ask WHY?

Because bottom line is:  we like, in the end, the way things are.  In the end, that's how it is.


(edited to fix my grammar)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 03:27:05 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.


BINGO! Jenne you are on fire!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:29:00 PM
 :oops:

I think being married to an immigrant, and being smackdab up against them all my life...it's affected me somehow.

*whipes the spittle from her mouth*

...and the fact I rate the TOEFL for a living... :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 03:29:49 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
There's several fronts that the US government could be working harder to "seal" this immigration thing.  And it isn't.

Anyone ever ask WHY?

Because bottom line is:  we like, in the end, the way things are.  In the end, that's how it is.

Of course, if we didn't have the "illegals" to blow about what would the GOP use to fill the sails of the HMS Populist Rhetoric?

You can't expect them to build a platform on actual issues, can you?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 03:29:49 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
There's several fronts that the US government could be working harder to "seal" this immigration thing.  And it isn't.

Anyone ever ask WHY?

Because bottom line is:  we like, in the end, the way things are.  In the end, that's how it is.

Of course, if we didn't have the "illegals" to blow about what would the GOP use to fill the sails of the HMS Populist Rhetoric?

You can't expect them to build a platform on actual issues, can you?

I took a Chicano Political History class in '93.  The professor said the exact same thing, and showed how over time, since the 19th century, that's how it's been, in CA and the rest of the US, by extrapolation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 03:29:49 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
There's several fronts that the US government could be working harder to "seal" this immigration thing.  And it isn't.

Anyone ever ask WHY?

Because bottom line is:  we like, in the end, the way things are.  In the end, that's how it is.

Of course, if we didn't have the "illegals" to blow about what would the GOP use to fill the sails of the HMS Populist Rhetoric?

You can't expect them to build a platform on actual issues, can you?

I took a Chicano Political History class in '93.  The professor said the exact same thing, and showed how over time, since the 19th century, that's how it's been, in CA and the rest of the US, by extrapolation.

There's a museum in Cincinnati which covers the "Know Nothings". It's amazing how close the arguments they used and the arguments currently being used are. Just swap "Catholic" and "Irish" with "Mexican"....

:vom:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
It's bred into us, there HAS to be somebody to kick around.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 04:15:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
It's bred into us, there HAS to be somebody to kick around.

Extra Special Bonus of being in a Collective... makes US vs THEM easy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 04:15:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:08:34 PM
It's bred into us, there HAS to be somebody to kick around.

Extra Special Bonus of being in a Collective... makes US vs THEM easy.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on July 29, 2010, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.

I appreciated everything you wrote, and this comment is mostly just agreement with you, Dok CB and Ratatosk.

The current economy would collapse without undocumented workers preset for exploitation, because illegal economies are the main thing holding the global economy together.  Our governments leave holes in the fences (or create 'free trade zones' and so on) because current economies would collapse without them.  As you and CB explained, it's organized crime. 

What makes more money?  A couple million people you can pay whatever you like (or even find ways to charge them money for working for you - common exploitation with nannies, for example) and deport if they try to get medical help, school for their kids, or a signed work contract?  Or making sure everyone has reasonable access to services where they can get all the papers and supports they need to get a fair shake?

Still reading the thread...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 29, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Uh, the Federal Gov enforces tons of existing laws.

Just cuz you don't like them doesn't make them law...and besides, most of the conservative, anti-immigrant type tend to have a more, uh, Confederate view of how government should work, at least when it's not actively dropping bombs on brown people and listening to their calls.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio has a message to the people who intend to protest the controversial Arizona immigration law tomorrow: "I'm ready for it."

"I hear a rumor they want to block my jails. So if they want to block the jails they can have a little trip in the jails," Arpaio told me on "GMA." "So we are not going to put up with any civil disobedience just because they want to show, give a message through the media about this situation that is occurring here in Arizona."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/07/az-sheriff-to-protesters-if-you-block-the-jail-youll-end-up-in-the-jail.html

:lulz:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARIZONA!

Governor Meacham, come home!  All is forgiven!  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:39:32 PM
NR, I'm PRO giving everyone health care and education...that's the foundation of my argument.  I wouldn't want deportation en masse because someone was seeking government help.  I think that's ass.  If you're contributing to the welfare of our government, they shouldn't be slapping your ass into jail or back across the border for it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio has a message to the people who intend to protest the controversial Arizona immigration law tomorrow: "I'm ready for it."

"I hear a rumor they want to block my jails. So if they want to block the jails they can have a little trip in the jails," Arpaio told me on "GMA." "So we are not going to put up with any civil disobedience just because they want to show, give a message through the media about this situation that is occurring here in Arizona."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/07/az-sheriff-to-protesters-if-you-block-the-jail-youll-end-up-in-the-jail.html

:lulz:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARIZONA!

Governor Meacham, come home!  All is forgiven!  :lulz:

I want Micheal Moore to do a documentary in Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio has a message to the people who intend to protest the controversial Arizona immigration law tomorrow: "I'm ready for it."

"I hear a rumor they want to block my jails. So if they want to block the jails they can have a little trip in the jails," Arpaio told me on "GMA." "So we are not going to put up with any civil disobedience just because they want to show, give a message through the media about this situation that is occurring here in Arizona."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/07/az-sheriff-to-protesters-if-you-block-the-jail-youll-end-up-in-the-jail.html

:lulz:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARIZONA!

Governor Meacham, come home!  All is forgiven!  :lulz:

I want Micheal Moore to do a documentary in Arizona.

He can't survive at this altitude.

Also, Sheriff Joe will be our next governor.  169% Guaranteed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio has a message to the people who intend to protest the controversial Arizona immigration law tomorrow: "I'm ready for it."

"I hear a rumor they want to block my jails. So if they want to block the jails they can have a little trip in the jails," Arpaio told me on "GMA." "So we are not going to put up with any civil disobedience just because they want to show, give a message through the media about this situation that is occurring here in Arizona."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2010/07/az-sheriff-to-protesters-if-you-block-the-jail-youll-end-up-in-the-jail.html

:lulz:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARIZONA!

Governor Meacham, come home!  All is forgiven!  :lulz:

I want Micheal Moore to do a documentary in Arizona.

He can't survive at this altitude.

Also, Sheriff Joe will be our next governor.  169% Guaranteed.

Horrormirth right there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Someone did a documentary on Sheriff Joe's prisons, though...it was that movie about American Drug War: The Last White Hope...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Someone did a documentary on Sheriff Joe's prisons, though...it was that movie about American Drug War: The Last White Hope...

It was a complimentary story though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.

Well, that's because it's about racism, Jenne.  This is the exact sort of psychology used on poor White Southerners before and during the civil war.  "Your life may be shit, but at least you aren't on the bottom.  Do you want to be on the bottom?  No?  Then support us."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 29, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
Michael Moore is a douchebag.

I'd rather Adam Curtis did a documentary, because not only would it be visually amazing, he'd research the shit out of it and go down all sorts of weird and wonderful avenues and probably end up proving Arizona is in fact legally Mexican and all Americans should be expelled, or something equally bizarre.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
Michael Moore is a douchebag.

I'd rather Adam Curtis did a documentary, because not only would it be visually amazing, he'd research the shit out of it and go down all sorts of weird and wonderful avenues and probably end up proving Arizona is in fact legally Mexican and all Americans should be expelled, or something equally bizarre.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Someone did a documentary on Sheriff Joe's prisons, though...it was that movie about American Drug War: The Last White Hope...



It was a complimentary story though.

Nah, it made those prisons look like gulags, trust me.  That was an AWESOME documentary--tore straight apart the notion that the War on Drugs was anything but a political machine.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kai on July 29, 2010, 05:02:48 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
Michael Moore is a douchebag.

I'd rather Adam Curtis did a documentary, because not only would it be visually amazing, he'd research the shit out of it and go down all sorts of weird and wonderful avenues and probably end up proving Arizona is in fact legally Mexican and all Americans should be expelled, or something equally bizarre.

:lulz:

This thread is awesome. Jenne, you are awesome. Everything you are saying is hitting the nail right on the head.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:04:03 PM
:oops:  Thanks, Kai...I think I feel too strongly about these things, sometimes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Aucoq on July 29, 2010, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Someone did a documentary on Sheriff Joe's prisons, though...it was that movie about American Drug War: The Last White Hope...



It was a complimentary story though.

Nah, it made those prisons look like gulags, trust me.  That was an AWESOME documentary--tore straight apart the notion that the War on Drugs was anything but a political machine.

Wow, I had no idea that documentary even existed. I really need to watch it.  It sounds great.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.

Well, that's because it's about racism, Jenne.  This is the exact sort of psychology used on poor White Southerners before and during the civil war.  "Your life may be shit, but at least you aren't on the bottom.  Do you want to be on the bottom?  No?  Then support us."

vex was trying to indicate that AZ had no other turnaround left in the road.  I felt strongly otherwise. 

What's nice about this is that finally, Latinos have some fucking political CLOUT.  BY SHEER VOLUME.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: Aucoq on July 29, 2010, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
Someone did a documentary on Sheriff Joe's prisons, though...it was that movie about American Drug War: The Last White Hope...



It was a complimentary story though.

Nah, it made those prisons look like gulags, trust me.  That was an AWESOME documentary--tore straight apart the notion that the War on Drugs was anything but a political machine.

Wow, I had no idea that documentary even existed. I really need to watch it.  It sounds great.

It's like "Gasland" though...it's something that will make you sick to your stomach once it's over.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on July 29, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:39:32 PM
NR, I'm PRO giving everyone health care and education...that's the foundation of my argument.  I wouldn't want deportation en masse because someone was seeking government help.  I think that's ass.  If you're contributing to the welfare of our government, they shouldn't be slapping your ass into jail or back across the border for it.

I understand and completely agree with you.  Sorry for not being clear, and thanks for responding.

The perspective you gained from your community, family, and so on, I learned a bit of from working with a migrant rights group and from reading a book ("Traffick: the illicit movement of people and things" by Gargi Bhattacharyya).  Also from making a lot of different friends when I moved to the city -- and getting hired faster or paid better than all the friends who were darker than me.  As kai said, you're hitting the nail on the head.

(good lesson for me here: Rhetorical questions, especially from n00bs == not a good idea.  I'm not much of a webtalker, and mistakes like this help me a lot.)

Back to reading the thread.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Nurse Rhizome on July 29, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 04:39:32 PM
NR, I'm PRO giving everyone health care and education...that's the foundation of my argument.  I wouldn't want deportation en masse because someone was seeking government help.  I think that's ass.  If you're contributing to the welfare of our government, they shouldn't be slapping your ass into jail or back across the border for it.

I understand and completely agree with you.  Sorry for not being clear, and thanks for responding.

The perspective you gained from your community, family, and so on, I learned a bit of from working with a migrant rights group and from reading a book ("Traffick: the illicit movement of people and things" by Gargi Bhattacharyya).  Also from making a lot of different friends when I moved to the city -- and getting hired faster or paid better than all the friends who were darker than me.  As kai said, you're hitting the nail on the head.

(good lesson for me here: Rhetorical questions, especially from n00bs == not a good idea.  I'm not much of a webtalker, and mistakes like this help me a lot.)

Back to reading the thread.

S'ok.  And that book sounds interesting.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Hoser McRhizzy on July 29, 2010, 05:32:02 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:10:05 PM
S'ok. 

Thanks.  :)

QuoteAnd that book sounds interesting.

It's excellent.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 29, 2010, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 03:22:27 PM
The thing is, this deportation thing, it's been TRIED BEFORE.  Over and over.  By the Feds, even.  And guess what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

Because we KNOW, from top-down, that this is not the way to flourish.  The knee-jerk reaction passes eventually, and immigrants flood in. 

BY THE BYE:  where's all the outrage at people overstaying their fucking visas?  Hm?

Anyone ever look at the figures there?  How many people come here as a "student" or on a temp work visa?  And set up families?

But ohoho!  Those folks aren't Latino!  (actually, some might be from Spain, perhaps Portugal...)  They are the rich, the White, the Yurpeen.  Or the Indian.  Or the Pakistani.  Or the Taiwanese.  ...but I digress.

They're NOT profilable, so they get, shall we say?...folded into the masses.

But where is the hysteria there?  Because I tell you what--you want to talk about endangered jobs?  THOSE are the folks takin' them.  They're middle class, they're probably  more educated than you, and guess what?  They're willing to work harder and longer because they know it's harder to start again and elsewhere if they don't.

...but again, perhaps I'm talkin' to myself here.

Well, that's because it's about racism, Jenne.  This is the exact sort of psychology used on poor White Southerners before and during the civil war.  "Your life may be shit, but at least you aren't on the bottom.  Do you want to be on the bottom?  No?  Then support us."

vex was trying to indicate that AZ had no other turnaround left in the road.  I felt strongly otherwise. 

What's nice about this is that finally, Latinos have some fucking political CLOUT.  BY SHEER VOLUME.

I agree...

Though, on the one hand, I can see how being a border state would have its own set of issues and the current drug wars/gang wars would certianly leave me uneasy if I had a ranch in Southern AZ or anywhere along that border.

I would even go so far as to say that States could implement laws targeting the Employers of illegal immigrants, which IMO would probably do more to stem then tide than randomly asking brown people for their papers.

But mostly, I find it hypocritical for a nation founded on people just walking in to have "legal immigration" vs. "illegal immigration"...  I mean quotas etc didn't even show up until the 1900's so those "my ancestors came over legally" better be recent immigrants or they can STFU.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 05:55:49 PM
The Native American part of me wants to tell all of you to GTFO!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 29, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
It would also help if there were more than 10,000 green cards a year up for grabs.

I mean, seriously, the UK has had to deal with larger waves of immigration than that in recent history (ie the last 10 years) and has done so fine, and our population is hovering about 60 million, not 307 million.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
It would also help if there were more than 10,000 green cards a year up for grabs.

I mean, seriously, the UK has had to deal with larger waves of immigration than that in recent history (ie the last 10 years) and has done so fine, and our population is hovering about 60 million, not 307 million.

I thought it was closer to 1,000,000 per year?

Either way, its well below what we can handle    :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 29, 2010, 06:32:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_%28United_States%29#Types_of_immigration

According to this, it's 140,000, but your average Mexican labourer would only be able to apply for EB3 cards, of which there are only 10,000 available annually.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 06:34:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 29, 2010, 06:32:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_%28United_States%29#Types_of_immigration

According to this, it's 140,000, but your average Mexican labourer would only be able to apply for EB3 cards, of which there are only 10,000 available annually.

Ah yeah, the 1,000,000 included H1B and people we give safe haven to apparently.....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 29, 2010, 06:35:54 PM
I was also surprised it was that low, when I first read about it.  No wonder most don't bother with it, what with the backlog that is being built up over the past few decades...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 05:53:56 PM

I agree...

Though, on the one hand, I can see how being a border state would have its own set of issues and the current drug wars/gang wars would certianly leave me uneasy if I had a ranch in Southern AZ or anywhere along that border.

I would even go so far as to say that States could implement laws targeting the Employers of illegal immigrants, which IMO would probably do more to stem then tide than randomly asking brown people for their papers.

But mostly, I find it hypocritical for a nation founded on people just walking in to have "legal immigration" vs. "illegal immigration"...  I mean quotas etc didn't even show up until the 1900's so those "my ancestors came over legally" better be recent immigrants or they can STFU.

...and guess who'd get hit the hardest with that?

1) Small businesses (who don't have the machinery to background check everyone), and that will die in a media fire of negative PR a million miles long.

2) The farmers--whose lobby is notoriously strong.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 05:53:56 PM

I agree...

Though, on the one hand, I can see how being a border state would have its own set of issues and the current drug wars/gang wars would certianly leave me uneasy if I had a ranch in Southern AZ or anywhere along that border.

I would even go so far as to say that States could implement laws targeting the Employers of illegal immigrants, which IMO would probably do more to stem then tide than randomly asking brown people for their papers.

But mostly, I find it hypocritical for a nation founded on people just walking in to have "legal immigration" vs. "illegal immigration"...  I mean quotas etc didn't even show up until the 1900's so those "my ancestors came over legally" better be recent immigrants or they can STFU.

...and guess who'd get hit the hardest with that?

1) Small businesses (who don't have the machinery to background check everyone), and that will die in a media fire of negative PR a million miles long.

2) The farmers--whose lobby is notoriously strong.

... Yeah, if the Fed expects there to be some bar to employment, they need to supply something reliable.

However, having worked with small businessmen in Ohio that employ 'immigrants', they seem to generally have a good idea of who is and isn't. And here, at least, they find it more profitable to hire the illegals and bet they won't get caught, or will pay some tiny fine.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 06:53:25 PM
I am still confused. These are not rabid marauders raging through the countryside raping and pillaging. In fact most of the illegals live purposefully quiet lives for obvious reasons. They are now integrated into our society like it or not.

The drug runners don't live here, they border jump.

The ones I have met seem like very nice people once you break through a few levels of paranoia.


Or is the legals that give people heartburn? Music too loud? Don't like cars with hydraulic suspensions?

What is exactly that causes minorityphobia?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 07:02:27 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 05:53:56 PM

I agree...

Though, on the one hand, I can see how being a border state would have its own set of issues and the current drug wars/gang wars would certianly leave me uneasy if I had a ranch in Southern AZ or anywhere along that border.

I would even go so far as to say that States could implement laws targeting the Employers of illegal immigrants, which IMO would probably do more to stem then tide than randomly asking brown people for their papers.

But mostly, I find it hypocritical for a nation founded on people just walking in to have "legal immigration" vs. "illegal immigration"...  I mean quotas etc didn't even show up until the 1900's so those "my ancestors came over legally" better be recent immigrants or they can STFU.

...and guess who'd get hit the hardest with that?

1) Small businesses (who don't have the machinery to background check everyone), and that will die in a media fire of negative PR a million miles long.

2) The farmers--whose lobby is notoriously strong.

... Yeah, if the Fed expects there to be some bar to employment, they need to supply something reliable.

However, having worked with small businessmen in Ohio that employ 'immigrants', they seem to generally have a good idea of who is and isn't. And here, at least, they find it more profitable to hire the illegals and bet they won't get caught, or will pay some tiny fine.

Yes, but here, in CA, where we still have the world's 8th largest economy (ahead of countries like SPAIN), that won't fly.  Most employers are STILL small businesses.  So do the math, there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 07:04:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 06:53:25 PM
I am still confused. These are not rabid marauders raging through the countryside raping and pillaging. In fact most of the illegals live purposefully quiet lives for obvious reasons. They are now integrated into our society like it or not.

The drug runners don't live here, they border jump.

The ones I have met seem like very nice people once you break through a few levels of paranoia.


Or is the legals that give people heartburn? Music too loud? Don't like cars with hydraulic suspensions?

What is exactly that causes minorityphobia?

Us vs. Them.

Period, finito.

There WILL be those, mind you, who'll say, "Dude, if it was a group of [insert people from a Westernized country--read: Yurp & environs--here] came and did the same, I'd STILL say NAY!"

And I call bullshit.  Because this is just how monkeys play.

Worldwide.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 07:13:14 PM
Manager: Those mexicans are taking our jobs!  :argh!:

Co-Worker: Uh, you're a manager at the mill.

Manager: One second. (yells down to plant floor) Juan! Remember to have Pedro clean everything out from under that press tonight!

Manager to co-worker; Where were we?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 29, 2010, 07:24:57 PM
:lulz:  LAIL!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on July 29, 2010, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on July 29, 2010, 07:13:14 PM
Manager: Those mexicans are taking our jobs!  :argh!:

Co-Worker: Uh, you're a manager at the mill.

Manager: One second. (yells down to plant floor) Juan! Remember to have Pedro clean everything out from under that press tonight!

Manager to co-worker; Where were we?

:potd:

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 07:37:04 PM
 :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on July 29, 2010, 08:40:31 PM
Phoenix, Arizona (CNN) -- As Arizona's new immigration law took effect Thursday, opponents of the law hit the streets with mixed expressions of relief and outrage.

Demonstrators were arrested outside the office of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a staunch defender of the state measure.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/29/arizona.immigration.protests/index.html?hpt=T2
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 30, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/07/29/18654927.php

HAHAHAHAHAHA! 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on July 30, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
HOLY SHIT.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 30, 2010, 03:57:49 PM
OH FUCK TIME TO BREAK OUT THE HELMETS AND GUNS AND STUFF. :scared:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 30, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
Also, this can only end in tears.












OF LAUGHTER! :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 31, 2010, 04:02:25 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 30, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
Also, this can only end in tears.












OF LAUGHTER! :horrormirth:

OF JOY!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 31, 2010, 04:15:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 31, 2010, 04:02:25 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on July 30, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
Also, this can only end in tears.












OF LAUGHTER! :horrormirth:

OF JOY!

OF GRATITUDE TO THE FORCES OF HORROR!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 01, 2010, 05:22:27 PM
Even the criminals are leaving Arizona!


Three convicted murderers who broke out of a Kingman, Arizona, prison got some help from a female accomplice who was on a visitation list for one of them, authorities said Saturday.

The three, described as armed and dangerous, may well be out of state or on their way to Mexico, a corrections official told CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/31/arizona.prison.break/index.html?hpt=T2
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 02, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
In the wake of the Obama administration's partial judicial victory last week in the litigation over Arizona's controversial immigration law, Palin said on "Fox News Sunday" that Arizona's female Republican governor has "the cojones that our president does not" when it comes to securing America's borders.

"This is a temporary suspension of some of the key elements in the law that [Arizona Gov.] Jan Brewer pushed hard for Arizonans and for the rest of the country to have the result of us being more secure," said Palin.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=fL9v4Hjua92

Palin LOVES Arizona!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on August 02, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
When was the last time Palin offered up something original?  It seems like since she quit being the Gov of Alaska, all she's done is endorse candidates and show up and do a "me too" when someone else says or does something contrary to Obama policies.  Any asshole can do that shit. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 02, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 02, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
When was the last time Palin offered up something original?  It seems like since she quit being the Gov of Alaska, all she's done is endorse candidates and show up and do a "me too" when someone else says or does something contrary to Obama policies.  Any asshole can do that shit. 

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 02, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on August 02, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 02, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
When was the last time Palin offered up something original?  It seems like since she quit being the Gov of Alaska, all she's done is endorse candidates and show up and do a "me too" when someone else says or does something contrary to Obama policies.  Any asshole can do that shit. 

:mittens:

I C WHUT U DID THAR.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 02, 2010, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 02, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: Doktor Charley Brown on August 02, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 02, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
When was the last time Palin offered up something original?  It seems like since she quit being the Gov of Alaska, all she's done is endorse candidates and show up and do a "me too" when someone else says or does something contrary to Obama policies.  Any asshole can do that shit. 

:mittens:

I C WHUT U DID THAR.

:lulz:

Damn, busted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on August 02, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Quote
Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., said today that Congress should hold hearings to look into denying citizenship to illegal aliens' children born in the United States, as the fight over immigration widens into the explosive "birthright" issue.

Kyl told CBS' "Face the Nation" that he supports a call by fellow Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to introduce a new amendment to repeal the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/ftn/main6733905.shtml?tag=contentBody;featuredPost-PE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 02, 2010, 11:01:03 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 02, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Quote
Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., said today that Congress should hold hearings to look into denying citizenship to illegal aliens' children born in the United States, as the fight over immigration widens into the explosive "birthright" issue.

Kyl told CBS' "Face the Nation" that he supports a call by fellow Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to introduce a new amendment to repeal the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/ftn/main6733905.shtml?tag=contentBody;featuredPost-PE

YES!  And it needs to be applied back however many generations it takes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 02, 2010, 11:13:35 PM
FUCKING ANCHOR BABBY
HOW DOES IT WORK?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on August 02, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on August 02, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
Quote
Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., said today that Congress should hold hearings to look into denying citizenship to illegal aliens' children born in the United States, as the fight over immigration widens into the explosive "birthright" issue.

Kyl told CBS' "Face the Nation" that he supports a call by fellow Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to introduce a new amendment to repeal the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/01/ftn/main6733905.shtml?tag=contentBody;featuredPost-PE
HE LOVES THE CONSTITUTION SO MUCH THAT HE WANTS TO TAKE SCISSORS TO IT!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on August 05, 2010, 01:15:57 AM
By the way, this isn't the first time "anchor babies" and the like have been a sore subject on the backside of the "keep the varmints outta mah territoree!" politicians.  As the immigrants were "caught" coming in from the East and West, they held the pregnant woman at the holding cells/tanks/processing centers until they gave birth, many times.  Just offshore enough to be "part" of an immigrant experience but not technically in the US and born there, unless "authorized."

O America!  Thou fair deceiver and seeker of purification! 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on August 26, 2010, 04:34:22 PM
Native Americans in Arizona Vow to Deport All Non-Native Americans

http://glossynews.com/other-world-games/news-in-brief/201004291405/native-americans-in-arizona-vow-to-deport-all-non-native-americans/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 26, 2010, 04:36:44 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2010, 04:34:22 PM
Native Americans in Arizona Vow to Deport All Non-Native Americans

http://glossynews.com/other-world-games/news-in-brief/201004291405/native-americans-in-arizona-vow-to-deport-all-non-native-americans/

Of course, Chief Standing Wolf was speaking in his native tongue, so the lawmakers in the State weren't exactly sure what the message was.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Great find Cram!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on August 26, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
Please tell me this is real.  Please oh please!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on August 26, 2010, 04:37:59 PM
If not, awesome troll of US Gov't is awesome.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 26, 2010, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 26, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
Please tell me this is real.  Please oh please!

Yes, please!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 26, 2010, 04:49:05 PM
FORT APACHE, Arizona - Watch out Rush Limbaugh. Chief Standing Wolf, who earlier this year made certain promises to rid Arizona of non-Native Americans if they didn't repeal their white man laws allowing only English-speaking people in their state, is on the war path again. This time, it's Rush Limbaugh that has the Apache leader seeing red.
Upon hearing Standing Wolf's words, Rush Limbaugh said "what?" due to the fact that he doesn't speak Apache.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i81030

:lulz:

The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on August 26, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
sadly, not real  :lol:

it's from http://glossynews.com/ , which also runs articles like Obama Gets Tough with Iran: Leaves Bitchy Note on UN Desk (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/201008250516/obama-gets-tough-with-iran-leaves-bitchy-note-on-un-desk/), and Republicans Suffering from Short-Term Memory Loss (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/politicos-and-polticians/201008250937/republicans-suffering-from-short-term-memory-loss/). ("There is worry in this country that too many in the Republican leadership have been smoking too much pot for too long. ")
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on August 26, 2010, 04:51:10 PM
If this idea takes off, and they do this with ALL the States, it might sort out that Mexico border shit, once and for all. All non Native Americans would have to apply for Asylum, in Mexico. :lulz: Or Canada.  :x  But you can't come back to Europe. That Boat already sailed, I'm afraid. Although Native Americans alsways seemed quite reasonable to me, so they might set Reservations up. In Alaska. And Utah.  :evil:
But they'd probably give you a Bus ride there, they wouldn't make you all walk.  
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on August 26, 2010, 04:51:36 PM
This won't stop me from using it for trolling purposes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on August 26, 2010, 06:01:07 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
sadly, not real  :lol:

it's from http://glossynews.com/ , which also runs articles like Obama Gets Tough with Iran: Leaves Bitchy Note on UN Desk (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/201008250516/obama-gets-tough-with-iran-leaves-bitchy-note-on-un-desk/), and Republicans Suffering from Short-Term Memory Loss (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/politicos-and-polticians/201008250937/republicans-suffering-from-short-term-memory-loss/). ("There is worry in this country that too many in the Republican leadership have been smoking too much pot for too long. ")

I kinda figured.  "glossynews" sounded too much like a satrical site.  Oh well. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on September 03, 2010, 12:00:49 AM
Proof that Jan Brewer has the same speech writer as Palin:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/the-sound-of-silence/?partner=rss&emc=rss
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 12:25:37 AM
Fuck you, Arizona.  No, really.  Fuck you.

http://www.fox11az.com/news/102024823.html

QuoteNo charges in Ariz. inmate's death in cage
Associated Press

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Updated today at 4:01 AM


PHOENIX (AP) — There will be no criminal charges following the heat-related death of an Arizona inmate who collapsed in an outdoor cage last year.

Bill Fitzgerald, a spokesman for the Maricopa County1 Attorney's Office, said Wednesday that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute the case.

Fitzgerald says the Department of Corrections had recommended charges against seven officials.

Inmate Marcia Powell died in May 2009 after she was left for nearly four hours in an unshaded outdoor cage. An autopsy report showed she had first- and second-degree burns and a core body temperature of 108 degrees.

Administrators fired, suspended or otherwise disciplined 16 corrections employees over Powell's death.


1  Maricopa county.  Guess who that is?  Oh, yeah, Sheriff Joe "We lost another dozen prisoners" Arpeio.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 03, 2010, 12:27:22 AM
That's distressing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 03, 2010, 12:27:56 AM
I can't say I'm surprised at this point.

My hatred of Arizona is about maxed out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on September 03, 2010, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 03, 2010, 12:00:49 AM
Proof that Jan Brewer has the same speech writer as Palin:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/the-sound-of-silence/?partner=rss&emc=rss

:facepalm:

Doesn't Arizona have standards?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 01:46:19 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on September 03, 2010, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on September 03, 2010, 12:00:49 AM
Proof that Jan Brewer has the same speech writer as Palin:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/the-sound-of-silence/?partner=rss&emc=rss

:facepalm:

Doesn't Arizona have standards?



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What are those?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
 :argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
:argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.

Was she serious? 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on September 03, 2010, 05:25:49 AM
It's getting too weird for people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 03, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
:argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.

Was she serious? 
Dead serious. She was upset by it and didn't want to know.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 03, 2010, 07:10:46 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
:argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.

Was she serious? 
Dead serious. She was upset by it and didn't want to know.
:kingmeh:

Kinda makes me want to find a forum full of people like that and just start posting all the news articles like this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nast on September 03, 2010, 07:29:44 AM
Just because we have rules against cruel and unusual punishment, doesn't keep us from locking people in cages until they burn up in the sun.

And you know, that whole torture thing on the side.

America is always acting as if they it's looking down from some cloud on all the other nasty brutish countries, but it all it needs to do is look at itself and see the same ugly things happening.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on September 03, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Well, lookie here...


Feds sue Arizona sheriff in civil rights probe (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38973698/ns/us_news/)

QuotePHOENIX — The Justice Department sued the nation's self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff" on Thursday, calling Joe Arpaio's defiance of an investigation into his office's alleged discrimination against Hispanics "unprecedented."

It's the first time in decades a lawman has refused to cooperate in one of the agency's probes, the department said.

The Arizona sheriff had been given until Aug. 17 to hand over documents the federal government first asked for 15 months ago, when it started investigating alleged discrimination, unconstitutional searches and seizures, and jail policies that discriminate against people with limited English skills.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 03, 2010, 03:42:20 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 03, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Well, lookie here...


Feds sue Arizona sheriff in civil rights probe (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38973698/ns/us_news/)

QuotePHOENIX — The Justice Department sued the nation's self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff" on Thursday, calling Joe Arpaio's defiance of an investigation into his office's alleged discrimination against Hispanics "unprecedented."

It's the first time in decades a lawman has refused to cooperate in one of the agency's probes, the department said.

The Arizona sheriff had been given until Aug. 17 to hand over documents the federal government first asked for 15 months ago, when it started investigating alleged discrimination, unconstitutional searches and seizures, and jail policies that discriminate against people with limited English skills.



FINALLY! I want to see that bastard BURN. Figuratively if that's all I'm getting, but literally would be nice too. I hate what he and Brewer are making AZ look like.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 03, 2010, 07:02:05 PM
Fuck yes. That's good and I hope he gets the book catapulted at his face.

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 03, 2010, 07:10:46 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
:argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.

Was she serious? 
Dead serious. She was upset by it and didn't want to know.
:kingmeh:

Kinda makes me want to find a forum full of people like that and just start posting all the news articles like this.
I live with those people. :lol: It's not nearly as much fun as you might hope. They block it out and keep going in their pretty little trouble-free world.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 10:31:51 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 03, 2010, 05:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
:argh!: Freaking Arizona.

:lulz: I just told my mom about this, and she told me no one needs to know about that stuff.

Was she serious? 
Dead serious. She was upset by it and didn't want to know.

This is the way we run the trains, run the trains, run the trains,
This is the way we run the trains, and all of them are on time!1



1 But nobody wants to know where they go.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on September 03, 2010, 10:35:29 PM

QuoteNo charges in Ariz. inmate's death in cage
Associated Press

Posted on September 1, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Updated today at 4:01 AM


PHOENIX (AP) — There will be no criminal charges following the heat-related death of an Arizona inmate who collapsed in an outdoor cage last year.

Bill Fitzgerald, a spokesman for the Maricopa County1 Attorney's Office, said Wednesday that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute the case.

Fitzgerald says the Department of Corrections had recommended charges against seven officials.

Inmate Marcia Powell died in May 2009 after she was left for nearly four hours in an unshaded outdoor cage. An autopsy report showed she had first- and second-degree burns and a core body temperature of 108 degrees.

Administrators fired, suspended or otherwise disciplined 16 corrections employees over Powell's death.



those inmates were obviously vampires
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Thurnez Isa on September 03, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
So they kill an inmate by leaving her in a cage outside and the administrators get "fired, suspended or otherwise disciplined?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 04, 2010, 09:17:55 PM
Thanks. I hadn't thought of that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Kurt Christ on September 04, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.
Mussolini in Italy is who the "At least he makes the trains run on time" phrase refers to, but it's the same general idea.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.

Mussolini. 

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.

It was a reference to pre-WWII Italy, where Mussolini made all the trains run on time.  I just put it to a childrens' rhyme.

Of course, where those trains wound up going...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 04, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.

It was a reference to pre-WWII Italy, where Mussolini made all the trains run on time.  I just put it to a childrens' rhyme.

Of course, where those trains wound up going...

Where?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 04, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Vartox on September 04, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.
Mussolini in Italy is who the "At least he makes the trains run on time" phrase refers to, but it's the same general idea.

i do not distinguish among fascist leaders. they are all hitler. this is the 21st century after all, so there's no time for real history, only proper history.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Phox on September 04, 2010, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.

It was a reference to pre-WWII Italy, where Mussolini made all the trains run on time.  I just put it to a childrens' rhyme.

Of course, where those trains wound up going...

Where?

To Texas, of course. Those evil italian fascist bastards!  :evilmad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Vartox on September 04, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.
Mussolini in Italy is who the "At least he makes the trains run on time" phrase refers to, but it's the same general idea.

i do not distinguish among fascist leaders. they are all hitler. this is the 21st century after all, so there's no time for real history, only proper history.

IT WOULD BREAK YOUR LEG TO LAUGH AND ADMIT YOU WERE MISTAKEN.

THAT FUCKING FEMUR WOULD SNAP LIKE A MATCHSTICK.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 04, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Vartox on September 04, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.
Mussolini in Italy is who the "At least he makes the trains run on time" phrase refers to, but it's the same general idea.

i do not distinguish among fascist leaders. they are all hitler. this is the 21st century after all, so there's no time for real history, only proper history.

IT WOULD BREAK YOUR LEG TO LAUGH AND ADMIT YOU WERE MISTAKEN.

THAT FUCKING FEMUR WOULD SNAP LIKE A MATCHSTICK.

:lulz:

nah, i know i was mistaken. and i admit i was wrong all the time about lots of stuff, and not just here.

also, my reply was pretty much an admission of my mistake, dressed up as a flat joke, which at least hints i was laughing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 05, 2010, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 04, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 04, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 04, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Ain't is a beautiful country?

And where's that from, Dok? I did a search and nothing turned up.

Where's what from?

"The trains all run on time." You're always saying it. Come o think of it, I don't get it either.
Yeah, the trains. Sorry I wasn't clear enough. :)

Hitler famously made all the trains in Germany run on time, or at least popular myth says he did.
You people need moar history.

It's a fascist campaign line I believe, originally from Italy.  As in "Vote for the Fascist party, we'll make sure the trains run on time"  They actually did not, nor did the Nazis, Under the Fascists Italian trains actually had worse delays than previously.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 06, 2010, 06:27:22 AM
But I still want to know where the trains went. :?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Phox on September 06, 2010, 06:28:38 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 06:27:22 AM
But I still want to know where the trains went. :?

Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on September 04, 2010, 10:22:41 PM
To Texas, of course. Those evil italian fascist bastards!  :evilmad:

:argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2010, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 06:27:22 AM
But I still want to know where the trains went. :?

I don't think he was referring to a specific physical place. Mussolini used the train system to propel himself into leadership and Italy went to hell on their trains. Sadly, Mussolini actually did very little to restore the trains at all, he just took credit for the work done since WW1 and the people believed him.

In spite of all the talk the trains still didn't really run on time, but by the time this was public knowledge, arguing about it would end you in a very bad place.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 06, 2010, 11:16:48 AM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 06:27:22 AM
But I still want to know where the trains went. :?

Auschwitz
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 06:27:22 AM
But I still want to know where the trains went. :?

(http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/buchenwald/images/buchenwald03.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 06, 2010, 04:40:36 PM
Oh right. :oops:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
On a lighter note:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/05/brewer-admits-wrong/

QuoteMonths after initially making the claim that undocumented immigrants were beheading people in the Arizona desert, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) has finally admitted that she was wrong. Brewer first raised the spectre of beheadings on June 16 during an interview  with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, when she said: "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community." She doubled down when questioned  on the claim by an Arizona reporter two weeks later. Brewer said, "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 06, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
On a lighter note:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/05/brewer-admits-wrong/

QuoteMonths after initially making the claim that undocumented immigrants were beheading people in the Arizona desert, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) has finally admitted that she was wrong. Brewer first raised the spectre of beheadings on June 16 during an interview  with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, when she said: "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community." She doubled down when questioned  on the claim by an Arizona reporter two weeks later. Brewer said, "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."

Uhhh. What? I hadn't heard this. :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
On a lighter note:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/05/brewer-admits-wrong/

QuoteMonths after initially making the claim that undocumented immigrants were beheading people in the Arizona desert, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) has finally admitted that she was wrong. Brewer first raised the spectre of beheadings on June 16 during an interview  with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, when she said: "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community." She doubled down when questioned  on the claim by an Arizona reporter two weeks later. Brewer said, "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."

Uhhh. What? I hadn't heard this. :horrormirth:

Are you serious? Hell I thought everybody had heard about that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 06, 2010, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 06, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
On a lighter note:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/05/brewer-admits-wrong/

QuoteMonths after initially making the claim that undocumented immigrants were beheading people in the Arizona desert, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) has finally admitted that she was wrong. Brewer first raised the spectre of beheadings on June 16 during an interview  with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, when she said: "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community." She doubled down when questioned  on the claim by an Arizona reporter two weeks later. Brewer said, "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."

Uhhh. What? I hadn't heard this. :horrormirth:

Are you serious? Hell I thought everybody had heard about that.

I don't follow the news. I figure if it's lulzy enough, I'll hear it from Dok.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2010, 05:32:38 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 06, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 06, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
On a lighter note:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/05/brewer-admits-wrong/

QuoteMonths after initially making the claim that undocumented immigrants were beheading people in the Arizona desert, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) has finally admitted that she was wrong. Brewer first raised the spectre of beheadings on June 16 during an interview  with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, when she said: "We cannot afford all this illegal immigration and everything that comes with it, everything from the crime and to the drugs and the kidnappings and the extortion and the beheadings and the fact that people can't feel safe in their community." She doubled down when questioned  on the claim by an Arizona reporter two weeks later. Brewer said, "Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."

Uhhh. What? I hadn't heard this. :horrormirth:

Are you serious? Hell I thought everybody had heard about that.

I don't follow the news. I figure if it's lulzy enough, I'll hear it from Dok.

:lulz:

TFYS, silly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
While I agree in principle, how is following the news TFYS?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
While I agree in principle, how is following the news TFYS?

I only put it there because she said she relied on you for news. As much as I like and respect you, I'm still going to want to know and research for myself. Also I like and respect Miss Freeky, no offense intended!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 06, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
While I agree in principle, how is following the news TFYS?

I only put it there because she said she relied on you for news. As much as I like and respect you, I'm still going to want to know and research for myself. Also I like and respect Miss Freeky, no offense intended!

If I thought Freeky was looking to me for her opinion on the news, I'd walk away until she got better. 

Waiting to hear the funny gleaned out of the news is something else entirely.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 06, 2010, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on September 06, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 06, 2010, 05:47:45 PM
While I agree in principle, how is following the news TFYS?

I only put it there because she said she relied on you for news. As much as I like and respect you, I'm still going to want to know and research for myself. Also I like and respect Miss Freeky, no offense intended!

If I thought Freeky was looking to me for her opinion on the news, I'd walk away until she got better. 

Waiting to hear the funny gleaned out of the news is something else entirely.

:lulz:

Point made.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on September 07, 2010, 03:10:21 PM
Dok is a way better source for news than most of the local papers.

Cain too.


Nassim Nicholas Taleb thinks you should only get your news from your friends. That way, it's prefiltered for relevance, you're not absorbing too much of the newsmedia's agenda and bias.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 07, 2010, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 07, 2010, 03:10:21 PM
Dok is a way better source for news than most of the local papers.

Cain too.


Nassim Nicholas Taleb thinks you should only get your news from your friends. That way, it's prefiltered for relevance, you're not absorbing too much of the newsmedia's agenda and bias.

That makes a whole bunch of sense.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
But where do they get their news?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on September 07, 2010, 03:54:59 PM
I'm weird. I enjoy sifting through a mountain of silt just to find a gold nugget or two.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on September 07, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 07, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
But where do they get their news?

IIRC, taleb thinks you should listen to friends that are experts in whatever they're interested in

ie Dok is right there in Arizona - so he understands the story much better than those spags on the evening news.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 07, 2010, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 07, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 07, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
But where do they get their news?

IIRC, taleb thinks you should listen to friends that are experts in whatever they're interested in

ie Dok is right there in Arizona - he is much better at letting us know what the story is than those spags on the evening news.

Troof.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 07, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 07, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
But where do they get their news?

Reuters, AP, and the local paper.  The local paper has a bad habit of telling the Truth, and it's readership is dropping, as it caters to neither the fringe right or the fringe left.  There's lots of outrage, but it isn't about Obama being a muslim terrorist socialist peacenik Nazi, nor is it about Glenn Beck's latest hilarity.

Mostly, it has to do with The City eating people, and what our state government is doing to its citizenry.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 07, 2010, 05:30:46 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on September 07, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 07, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
But where do they get their news?

IIRC, taleb thinks you should listen to friends that are experts in whatever they're interested in

ie Dok is right there in Arizona - so he understands the story much better than those spags on the evening news.

The plastic surgery people on my TV also smile too much, when they tell me about the 4 year old's bones found in a wash all covered in coyote teeth marks.

It's the wrong kind of smile.  It's the smile that harried airline attendants (remember stewardesses) give you while you exit the plane.  Buh bye.  Bye now.  Buh bye.  Bye now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 07, 2010, 05:32:34 PM
If they don't smile, who will? This century is a ROARING GOOD TIME and you better act like it!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 07, 2010, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 07, 2010, 05:32:34 PM
If they don't smile, who will? This century is a ROARING GOOD TIME and you better act like it!

That's the kind of smile I want.  Sort of a smile you'd get from the female villain in Hudson Hawk.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on September 08, 2010, 01:14:47 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 07, 2010, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: vexati0n on September 07, 2010, 05:32:34 PM
If they don't smile, who will? This century is a ROARING GOOD TIME and you better act like it!

That's the kind of smile I want.  Sort of a smile you'd get from the female villain in Hudson Hawk.

Goddess, that movie had more impact on my highschool personality than I'd like to admit. =P
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 08, 2010, 02:40:48 AM
Quote from: Telarus on September 08, 2010, 01:14:47 AM

Goddess,

Why?  For the love of Baby Jebus, why?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on September 10, 2010, 07:01:12 AM
Oh hey, spam, buh bye now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Remington on September 20, 2010, 09:19:52 PM
http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/arizona-sheriff-forming-vigilante-group/ (http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/arizona-sheriff-forming-vigilante-group/)
QuoteMaricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced that he intends to put together a volunteer vigilante force to hunt undocumented persons.  The announcement came by way of press release and is one long advocated for by Arpaio supporter and open neo-Nazi J.T. Ready. 

According the the press release, "The Sheriff will soon implement his plan to commission a volunteer armed posse force outfitted with appropriate hardware and gear to assist in the enforcement of illegal immigration and human smuggling laws."

:horrormirth:

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
 :lulz:  :lulz:  :lulz:

My money is on the smugglers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2010, 09:24:30 PM
They likely have a bigger budget than Arpaio, for starters.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

No, that was motherhood and apple pie.  Sheriff Joe is just doing the same thing, only with smudgy people.  If you oppose him, you hate America, motherhood, apple pie, and puppies.

Stop hating on the puppies, Freeky.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on September 20, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

Why do you hate America?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

No, that was motherhood and apple pie.  Sheriff Joe is just doing the same thing, only with smudgy people.  If you oppose him, you hate America, motherhood, apple pie, and puppies.

Stop hating on the puppies, Freeky.

So what you're telling me is "Yes, the only thing that can stop Sherriff Joe now is for people to shoot him in the fucking face until he dies."

:( Who's got the balls and the stomach for that in this day and age?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 20, 2010, 10:39:25 PM
I don't know, but I do feel a whole lot safer with bands of armed vigilantes roaming the streets looking for people who aren't American™ enough.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

No, that was motherhood and apple pie.  Sheriff Joe is just doing the same thing, only with smudgy people.  If you oppose him, you hate America, motherhood, apple pie, and puppies.

Stop hating on the puppies, Freeky.

So what you're telling me is "Yes, the only thing that can stop Sherriff Joe now is for people to shoot him in the fucking face until he dies."

:( Who's got the balls and the stomach for that in this day and age?

I don't want to stop him.  I want America to get every single thing it's demanded.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

No, that was motherhood and apple pie.  Sheriff Joe is just doing the same thing, only with smudgy people.  If you oppose him, you hate America, motherhood, apple pie, and puppies.

Stop hating on the puppies, Freeky.

So what you're telling me is "Yes, the only thing that can stop Sherriff Joe now is for people to shoot him in the fucking face until he dies."

:( Who's got the balls and the stomach for that in this day and age?

I don't want to stop him.  I want America to get every single thing it's demanded.

I want to stop him (and I really do wish I had the balls to do it myself) because... Because...

BECAUSE UNFAIRNESS AND MOTHERHOOD AND APPLE FUCKING PIE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
Um, is this where, to make a difference, normal citizens make their own group to oppose this vigilante group? Cuz thats what it about feels like.

No, that would be criminal.


Well, obviously. But so was the American revolution.

No, that was motherhood and apple pie.  Sheriff Joe is just doing the same thing, only with smudgy people.  If you oppose him, you hate America, motherhood, apple pie, and puppies.

Stop hating on the puppies, Freeky.

So what you're telling me is "Yes, the only thing that can stop Sherriff Joe now is for people to shoot him in the fucking face until he dies."

:( Who's got the balls and the stomach for that in this day and age?

I don't want to stop him.  I want America to get every single thing it's demanded.

I want to stop him (and I really do wish I had the balls to do it myself) because... Because...

BECAUSE UNFAIRNESS AND MOTHERHOOD AND APPLE FUCKING PIE.

America™ is obsessed with the idea of handing over the rule of law and their liberties for safety from something that doesn't exist.

I would rather they were unable to purchase safety at any price, and either go mad (ie, become Americans again, instead of Americans™), or just give up and admit they're a pack of pussies.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 10:48:12 PM
<------ Going mad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 20, 2010, 10:48:12 PM
<------ Going mad.

I'd elaborate, but I've retired from ranting.  Besides, you get the idea.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on November 16, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
Oh, Arizona. Your xenophobia never ceases to amaze me.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/15/mosque-church-whoopsidoodles/

QuoteIn an era saturated with absurd moments of anti-Muslim fear-mongering, mosques have become a touchstone for Islamophobia. Even unbuilt mosques have set off a wave of anti-Muslim sentiment in Tennessee, Texas, California, and most notably, New York. Not to be outdone, the people of Pheonix, AZ were quick to call foul over the appearance of a dome-like structure along an interstate. But in the clamor over the impending Muslim takeover, these Arizonans missed one small detail — the building is not a Mosque, it's a church:

QuoteA new dome-like structure near 19th Avenue along Interstate 10 in Phoenix is the Light of the World church, a nondenominational Christian church hoping to modernize traditional worship services, a church spokesman said

    Since the distinctive dome shape went up, church leaders said they have received phone calls from concerned neighbors who've mistaken the building for an Islamic mosque.

    On Wednesday, church officials hung a sign reminding people they're Christian congregation. "We're trying to let people know that we're Christian and our churches are modern," said Uzieo Martinez.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on November 16, 2010, 12:39:05 PM
You know, Russian Orthodox Churches have domes, and could be mistaken for a mosque (by idiots).

Maybe Russian Orthodox Christianity is really a covert form of Islam?  This would mean America has been at war with Islam since 1917 and the
ongoing conflict is just really an extension of the Cold War. 

Oh man, this needs to be passed onto Alex Jones.  Or Joel Skousen.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on November 16, 2010, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: Iason Ouabache on November 16, 2010, 11:08:33 AM
Oh, Arizona. Your xenophobia never ceases to amaze me.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/15/mosque-church-whoopsidoodles/

QuoteIn an era saturated with absurd moments of anti-Muslim fear-mongering, mosques have become a touchstone for Islamophobia. Even unbuilt mosques have set off a wave of anti-Muslim sentiment in Tennessee, Texas, California, and most notably, New York. Not to be outdone, the people of Pheonix, AZ were quick to call foul over the appearance of a dome-like structure along an interstate. But in the clamor over the impending Muslim takeover, these Arizonans missed one small detail — the building is not a Mosque, it's a church:

QuoteA new dome-like structure near 19th Avenue along Interstate 10 in Phoenix is the Light of the World church, a nondenominational Christian church hoping to modernize traditional worship services, a church spokesman said

    Since the distinctive dome shape went up, church leaders said they have received phone calls from concerned neighbors who've mistaken the building for an Islamic mosque.

    On Wednesday, church officials hung a sign reminding people they're Christian congregation. "We're trying to let people know that we're Christian and our churches are modern," said Uzieo Martinez.

Fucking Phoenicians. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on November 19, 2010, 05:37:03 AM
HULK WANT SMASH BORDER CROSSERS!
"Hulk" actor joins Arizona sheriff's posse (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AH0VR20101118)
Quote(Reuters) - Television 'Hulk' actor Lou Ferrigno has joined an Arizona sheriff's posse targeting illegal immigrants in the Phoenix valley area, the sheriff's office said on Wednesday.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Ferrigno, 59, a body builder who donned green makeup to star in the popular 1970s television series 'The Incredible Hulk,' was among 56 people sworn in as volunteers for an armed immigration posse.

Arpaio said the posse would work with sheriff's deputies in operations targeting smugglers and businesses suspected of employing illegal immigrants in the county, among other duties.

Arizona passed a tough law earlier this year requiring police to determine the immigration status of people they suspected were in the country illegally. Key parts were stayed by a U.S. federal judge before it came into effect in late July.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on November 19, 2010, 05:40:03 AM
He's mad because their accent is still more intelligible than his lisp.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on November 19, 2010, 06:34:48 AM
Quote from: postvex™ on November 19, 2010, 05:40:03 AM
He's mad

A case of life imitating art?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on November 19, 2010, 07:28:02 AM
This place is awful.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Iason Ouabache on December 05, 2010, 12:42:12 AM
LOL, DEATH PANELS!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us/05transplant.html?_r=2

QuoteWhat distinguishes the reductions recently imposed in Arizona, where coverage was eliminated on Oct. 1 for certain transplants of the heart, liver, lung, pancreas and bone marrow, is the decision to stop paying for treatments urgently needed to ward off death.

The cuts in transplant coverage, which could deny organs to 100 adults currently on the transplant list, are testament to both the severity of fiscal pressures on the states and the particular bloodlessness of budget-cutting in Arizona.

"It's a real sign of the times," said Alan Weil, executive director of the National Academy for State Health Policy. "And I think this is a precursor to a much larger number of states having this discussion."

Policy choices with such life-threatening implications are all the more striking given the partisan framing of the health debate.

Republicans have argued that the new health law will lead to rationing, warning even of "death panels." Democrats have responded that care is already rationed, with 50 million people going largely without insurance, and that the law will bring greater equity.

The Arizona case, said Diane Rowland, director of the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, "is a classic example of making decisions based not on medical need but based on a budget." And, she added, "it results, potentially, in denial of care to individuals in a life-or-death situation."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 15, 2010, 02:08:06 AM
This article makes Tuscon sound rather pleasant.

From Tuscon, A Few Ideas on Brightening Your Neighborhood (http://www.shareable.net/blog/from-tucson-a-few-ideas-on-brightening-your-neighborhood)
QuoteAt first glance Tucson, like many American cities, appears an endless expanse of highways and strip malls. But hang around a bit and you'll discover authentic neighborhoods full of mission-style bungalows or classic adobe buildings built decades before "Southwestern Style" became the rage in the 1980s.

My favorite part of town is the Fourth Avenue-University district—a hot spot for hearing music, hanging out at sidwalk cafes and browsing through indy businesses.  I dropped by there last week before catching a flight home to the snows of Minnesota, and was struck by several things enlivening the neighborhood that could be adopted anywhere.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Pastor-Mullah Zappathruster on December 15, 2010, 02:08:06 AM
This article makes Tuscon sound rather pleasant.

From Tuscon, A Few Ideas on Brightening Your Neighborhood (http://www.shareable.net/blog/from-tucson-a-few-ideas-on-brightening-your-neighborhood)
QuoteAt first glance Tucson, like many American cities, appears an endless expanse of highways and strip malls. But hang around a bit and you'll discover authentic neighborhoods full of mission-style bungalows or classic adobe buildings built decades before "Southwestern Style" became the rage in the 1980s.

My favorite part of town is the Fourth Avenue-University district—a hot spot for hearing music, hanging out at sidwalk cafes and browsing through indy businesses.  I dropped by there last week before catching a flight home to the snows of Minnesota, and was struck by several things enlivening the neighborhood that could be adopted anywhere.

4th Avenue is how we lure in fresh genetic material.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: the last yatto on December 15, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
Lotto winner is an old man?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: Able on December 15, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
Lotto winner is an old man?

WTF are you talking about?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: the last yatto on December 15, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD45L20101214
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Ending nearly two weeks of suspense, a 64-year-old substitute
teacher and single parent from Arizona claimed a $95.3 million Powerball jackpot.
Sheila Verke, a Fort Mohave resident, presented the single-winning ticket to lottery officials in Phoenix on Monday. She opted to take a lump sum payment of $49.9 million, saying she plans to buy a recreational vehicle and travel the country.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pæs on December 16, 2010, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Able on December 15, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD45L20101214
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Ending nearly two weeks of suspense, a 64-year-old substitute
teacher and single parent from Arizona claimed a $95.3 million Powerball jackpot.
Sheila Verke, a Fort Mohave resident, presented the single-winning ticket to lottery officials in Phoenix on Monday. She opted to take a lump sum payment of $49.9 million, saying she plans to buy a recreational vehicle and travel the country.
What the fuck, Arizona!?  :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on January 26, 2011, 04:48:52 PM
At least 17 people have been arrested in and around the city of Phoenix.

The suspects are accused of conspiring to buy firearms, including assault rifles, for Mexico's Sinaloa cartel.

The US is under pressure to curb the flow of guns into Mexico, where more than 15,000 people were killed in drug-related violence last year

A federal grand jury indictment unsealed on Tuesday alleged the suspects had conspired to buy guns and illegally export them to Mexico for use by drug cartels.

They are accused of acting as "straw purchasers" by claiming the weapons they bought from licensed Arizona gun shops were for their own use, when in fact they were destined for the Sinaloa cartel, the prosecutor's office said.

"The massive size of this operation sadly exemplifies the magnitude of the problem - Mexican drug lords go shopping for weapons of war in Arizona," the statement added.

The guns included AK-47 assault rifles, a weapon of choice for drug cartel gunmen.

All of those indicted are US citizens or legal residents.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12281727

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on January 26, 2011, 07:22:12 PM
Well, once the meth laws happened and they had to figure out a new procurement chain for the basic ingredients, and once the new decentralized 'shoppers' scheme worked out so well, you know some dude had a brilliant idea.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on January 26, 2011, 07:24:13 PM
Quote from: Farka Zarcoberg on December 16, 2010, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Able on December 15, 2010, 10:13:18 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD45L20101214
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Ending nearly two weeks of suspense, a 64-year-old substitute
teacher and single parent from Arizona claimed a $95.3 million Powerball jackpot.
Sheila Verke, a Fort Mohave resident, presented the single-winning ticket to lottery officials in Phoenix on Monday. She opted to take a lump sum payment of $49.9 million, saying she plans to buy a recreational vehicle and travel the country.
What the fuck, Arizona!?  :argh!:

I would have done exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 26, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
You bet.

It's been shown that the lesser lump sum payment, when invested, ends up being worth more than the full prize strung out over decades.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on January 26, 2011, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 26, 2011, 07:28:11 PM
You bet.

It's been shown that the lesser lump sum payment, when invested, ends up being worth more than the full prize strung out over decades.

Factor in her age, she doesn't have decades.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on February 09, 2011, 10:25:32 PM

Quote from: http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/743638.html

Paul Babeau, Sheriff of the Pinal zone of Arizona, remarks that the combat to the mexican cartels has come to a critical point, because of this it has been necessary to change the strategy to confront them. Now, there will be sent to the desert zone of Vekol Valley, officers to confront the cartels.

"And were not talking about illegal immigrants. Were talkinga bout cartels that almost have knocked the mexican government out of power and they think they can come to our county and commit these crimes of violence. This will not happen here".

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Taking bets on how long before they find his corpse hanging from a bridge.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on February 27, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41803019/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

QuotePHOENIX — Scott Bundgaard, the Arizona state Senate majority leader, was involved in a domestic violence dispute with his girlfriend, but was not arrested because he has legislative immunity, police said on Saturday.

Republican Bundgaard's girlfriend, Aubry Ballard, 34, was booked for domestic violence assault, police said.

Phoenix police responded to a report on Friday night that Bundgaard was pulling Ballard out of a car stopped next to the median on State Route 51.

When officers arrived, they encountered Bundgaard and Ballard, and saw both had marks on their bodies showing they had been in a physical altercation, said Police Department spokesman Sgt. Tommy Thompson.

Bundgaard and Ballard were both detained, but Bundgaard told officers that under Arizona law he is immune from arrest while the legislature is in session, police said.

Police found Bundgaard could correctly claim immunity, but the case was submitted to prosecutors for review.

Bundgaard released a statement on Saturday saying he was innocent of wrongdoing. He said the physical altercation began when he had stopped the car, and his girlfriend moved into the driver's seat and refused to get out.

"I had no choice but to pull her from the driver's seat, which resulted in marks on her knees," Bundgaard said.

"I had also had no choice but to stop her from punching me and risking highway safety, all of which resulted in a black eye for me and a busted lip," he said.

He added, "I waive any and all 'legislative immunity.' If I did something wrong, charge me. I did not."

Bundgaard is the co-sponsor of controversial Arizona state legislation seeking to challenge the right to U.S. citizenship for children born in the state whose parents are illegal immigrants or other non-citizens.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: *GrumpButt* on February 27, 2011, 06:50:44 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 27, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41803019/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

QuotePHOENIX — Scott Bundgaard, the Arizona state Senate majority leader, was involved in a domestic violence dispute with his girlfriend, but was not arrested because he has legislative immunity, police said on Saturday.

Republican Bundgaard's girlfriend, Aubry Ballard, 34, was booked for domestic violence assault, police said.

Phoenix police responded to a report on Friday night that Bundgaard was pulling Ballard out of a car stopped next to the median on State Route 51.

When officers arrived, they encountered Bundgaard and Ballard, and saw both had marks on their bodies showing they had been in a physical altercation, said Police Department spokesman Sgt. Tommy Thompson.

Bundgaard and Ballard were both detained, but Bundgaard told officers that under Arizona law he is immune from arrest while the legislature is in session, police said.

Police found Bundgaard could correctly claim immunity, but the case was submitted to prosecutors for review.

Bundgaard released a statement on Saturday saying he was innocent of wrongdoing. He said the physical altercation began when he had stopped the car, and his girlfriend moved into the driver's seat and refused to get out.

"I had no choice but to pull her from the driver's seat, which resulted in marks on her knees," Bundgaard said.

"I had also had no choice but to stop her from punching me and risking highway safety, all of which resulted in a black eye for me and a busted lip," he said.

He added, "I waive any and all 'legislative immunity.' If I did something wrong, charge me. I did not."

Bundgaard is the co-sponsor of controversial Arizona state legislation seeking to challenge the right to U.S. citizenship for children born in the state whose parents are illegal immigrants or other non-citizens.


:|
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Arizona is going to a flat tax.

The top 13% are thrilled, to say the least.

Senator Steve Court (R-Whore) has said that it's time to stop victimizing the rich.  "It's about fairness in how we tax."

No more deductions for mortgages, dependents, and donations, of course.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on March 25, 2011, 03:17:08 PM
The fuck?

The base ignorance of humanity fills me with... something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
...because AZ needs to get itself out of the red...by taxing the poor...nice.

I just can't wrap my head around the amount of FAIL states are engaging in.  This new era of STATES RIGHTS! GIVE THE STATES THE POWAH! is really cheesing me off.  Hard.

I need a drink.

DA6S!  PASS THE WHISKEY!  IT'S 8:18 AM AND I NEED A FUCKING WHACK OFF SOMETHING GOOD.


...

(leaving that one wide open for y'all)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 25, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Arizona is going to a flat tax.

The top 13% are thrilled, to say the least.

Senator Steve Court (R-Whore) has said that it's time to stop victimizing the rich.  "It's about fairness in how we tax."

No more deductions for mortgages, dependents, and donations, of course.

So.....I shouldn't move to AZ?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 03:17:08 PM
The fuck?

The base ignorance of humanity fills me with... something.

The people have spoken.  Apparently, they said "durrrrrrrr!"

Let's put it this way:

1.  The top 13% didn't vote in a teabagger majority all by themselves, and

2.  EVERYONE, I mean EVERYONE that I have - in person, at least - heard argue for the flat tax is in the BOTTOM 50%.  People are fucking retarded, and they're getting what they fucking deserve.  They SCREAMED for this shit, and now it's going to bite them right on their libertarian asses.  Good fucking riddance to bad rubbish...They can all be libertarian small-government business-friendly and all that other happy horseshit from UNDER A BRIDGE.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
...because AZ needs to get itself out of the red...by taxing the poor...nice.

Quote of the year:  "People aren't going to evade taxes by choosing to make $24,000/year, anymore."
(Steve Court).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
They are so easily sold, because they are so easily set up.  It sorta breaks my heart.  And fills me with impotent rage at the same time.  And makes me afraid that there are so many ignorant jackoffs out there.

WHERE'S THAT WHISKEY DAMMIT?!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 25, 2011, 03:29:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Arizona is going to a flat tax.

The top 13% are thrilled, to say the least.

Senator Steve Court (R-Whore) has said that it's time to stop victimizing the rich.  "It's about fairness in how we tax."

No more deductions for mortgages, dependents, and donations, of course.

I'm curious, when this leaves AZ in even more financial ruin, what scapegoats will they latch onto?

My guess is the obvious one: "Dem illegal immigrants not payin' taxes!", but are there any other likely targets?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on March 25, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Welfare moms.  AP testing.  Arts programs.  Soup kitchens.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on March 25, 2011, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
...because AZ needs to get itself out of the red...by taxing the poor...nice.

Quote of the year:  "People aren't going to evade taxes by choosing to make $24,000/year, anymore."
(Steve Court).

:spit:

I don't have enough Hate to do this justice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 25, 2011, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
...because AZ needs to get itself out of the red...by taxing the poor...nice.

Quote of the year:  "People aren't going to evade taxes by choosing to make $24,000/year, anymore."
(Steve Court).

The doublefuck? :|
I fucking hate monkeys.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Welfare moms.  AP testing.  Arts programs.  Soup kitchens.

That's gonna be tough.

AP courses have been cut by 80%.  <--- Reason given:  They won't "teach the controversy."

Arts programs were cut 24 months ago.

Soup kitchens are now only run by charities.

Welfare moms, of course, will take it in the ass.  Just like always.  They've already cut all adult dental (to include emergency dental), and are now talking about "having communities care for the underprivileged" when it comes to food.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Welfare moms.  AP testing.  Arts programs.  Soup kitchens.

I bet 2 out of 4 of those are already gone...possible 3.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:34:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Welfare moms.  AP testing.  Arts programs.  Soup kitchens.

That's gonna be tough.

AP courses have been cut by 80%.  <--- Reason given:  They won't "teach the controversy."

Arts programs were cut 24 months ago.

Soup kitchens are now only run by charities.

Welfare moms, of course, will take it in the ass.  Just like always.  They've already cut all adult dental (to include emergency dental), and are now talking about "having communities care for the underprivileged" when it comes to food.

Whoops, you posted this while I was hitting "post"...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: Cainad on March 25, 2011, 03:29:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Arizona is going to a flat tax.

The top 13% are thrilled, to say the least.

Senator Steve Court (R-Whore) has said that it's time to stop victimizing the rich.  "It's about fairness in how we tax."

No more deductions for mortgages, dependents, and donations, of course.

I'm curious, when this leaves AZ in even more financial ruin, what scapegoats will they latch onto?

My guess is the obvious one: "Dem illegal immigrants not payin' taxes!", but are there any other likely targets?

They've actually passed the "scapegoat" stage, and have moved on to "HAW HAW!  FUCK YOU, PEASANT!"

Polls show they will on average be reelected by 7 points.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 25, 2011, 04:50:32 PM
Every time I come to this thread, I feel sick. :(
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on April 08, 2011, 07:20:31 AM
I feel you there, Freeky, with added amusement because the rest of the country will have had a chance to observe the results and yet we'll follow right along (I need to borrow a camera and dig up Rog's "This is why I wish humans would drown themselves" thread).

Anyway.

Arizona Votes to Allow Firearms on Campus (http://gawker.com/#!5790087/arizona-votes-to-allow-firearms-on-campus)

QuoteArizona Votes to Allow Firearms on CampusIn a landmark piece of legislation that once again demonstrates their profound capacity for out-of-the-rational-box thinking, the Arizona House of Representatives has voted to allow guns on campuses.

   
QuoteThe Republican-led House voted 33 to 24 to allow firearms to be carried in the open or concealed in public rights of way, such as campus streets and roadways.

"We're allowing people to defend themselves," said Rep. David Gowan Sr., a Republican, who voted for the bill.

The measure now goes to the completely reasonable and not-at-all horrible Gov. Jon Brewer, who will decide whether or not to sign it into law. Good for you, Arizona! More guns on more students in more classrooms is the only way to deal with the senseless violence in your own backyard. Today, we all win.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 08, 2011, 08:31:52 AM
Landmark my ass, Utah did that in 2004.  And why the hell *shouldn't* college students be allowed guns?  Last I checked age of ownership is 18, 21 for handguns.  It's not a University's administrator's job to say otherwise, especially when you consider that people *live* on campus.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 08, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Yes, because an enviroment based around the exploration of social boundries, alcohol, drug experimentation, sex, and which is unhinged from normal societal game rules is totally a good place for handguns.




Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Requia ☣ on April 08, 2011, 04:08:34 PM
The history of armed campuses in Utah (which goes back to before the U's gun ban, as well as after, as well as some other smaller colleges) suggests that there's no reason to expect issues above and beyond normal American gun violence.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 08, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
Yes, but Utah is an Abomination unto the eyes of the LORD.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Yes, because an enviroment based around the exploration of social boundries, alcohol, drug experimentation, sex, and which is unhinged from normal societal game rules is totally a good place for handguns.

And?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 08, 2011, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Yes, because an enviroment based around the exploration of social boundries, alcohol, drug experimentation, sex, and which is unhinged from normal societal game rules is totally a good place for handguns.

And?


Hmm.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that real-world principles don't apply very well in environments that don't exhibit real-world behaviors.  Or something.  I haven't thought this through all the way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Yes, because an enviroment based around the exploration of social boundries, alcohol, drug experimentation, sex, and which is unhinged from normal societal game rules is totally a good place for handguns.

And?


Hmm.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that real-world principles don't apply very well in environments that don't exhibit real-world behaviors.  Or something.  I haven't thought this through all the way.

Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 08, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
Yes, because an enviroment based around the exploration of social boundries, alcohol, drug experimentation, sex, and which is unhinged from normal societal game rules is totally a good place for handguns.

And?


Hmm.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that real-world principles don't apply very well in environments that don't exhibit real-world behaviors.  Or something.  I haven't thought this through all the way.

Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?

Actually...  Not really.

If many students are armed on campus, when one of 'em climbs the bell tower to rack up the body count, odds are one of the other students will be a decent shot and end things before records are set.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?

Actually...  Not really.

If many students are armed on campus, when one of 'em climbs the bell tower to rack up the body count, odds are one of the other students will be a decent shot and end things before records are set.

And the non-good shots will form the world's biggest Polish firing squad.

I AM FOR THIS LEGISLATION.  SHIT YEAH.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on April 08, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?

Actually...  Not really.

If many students are armed on campus, when one of 'em climbs the bell tower to rack up the body count, odds are one of the other students will be a decent shot and end things before records are set.

And the non-good shots will form the world's biggest Polish firing squad.

I AM FOR THIS LEGISLATION.  SHIT YEAH.

This is the correct shot-to-hell motorcycle!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 08, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?

Actually...  Not really.

If many students are armed on campus, when one of 'em climbs the bell tower to rack up the body count, odds are one of the other students will be a decent shot and end things before records are set.

And the non-good shots will form the world's biggest Polish firing squad.

I AM FOR THIS LEGISLATION.  SHIT YEAH.

This is the correct shot-to-hell motorcycle!

I figure a car will backfire halfway through Rush week, on beer-bong night, and the resulting carnage will look like the battle of Antietem.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on April 08, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Does it imply that more monkeys will get off my planet?

Actually...  Not really.

If many students are armed on campus, when one of 'em climbs the bell tower to rack up the body count, odds are one of the other students will be a decent shot and end things before records are set.

And the non-good shots will form the world's biggest Polish firing squad.

I AM FOR THIS LEGISLATION.  SHIT YEAH.

This is the correct shot-to-hell motorcycle!

I figure a car will backfire halfway through Rush week, on beer-bong night, and the resulting carnage will look like the battle of Antietem.

Quite likley.

Personally, I don't think the little fuckers should be trusted with anything more dangerous than rubber bands... but that's because I spend 8 hours a day on a campus.

I do not wish to be shot, thank you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 08, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 08, 2011, 07:26:44 PM

Personally, I don't think the little fuckers should be trusted with anything more dangerous than rubber bands... but that's because I spend 8 hours a day on a campus.

I do not wish to be shot, thank you.

Talk to Richter about second chance vests and the art of always looking for nearby cover.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Disco Pickle on April 15, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Arizona bill requiring proof of US citizenship to get on ballot passes

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/15/arizona.president.bill/index.html?hpt=T2

QuoteThe Arizona Legislature approved a bill Thursday night that would require presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names could be placed on a state ballot.

The so-called "birther bill" got final approval by a vote of 40 to 16 in the state House, according to the website for the Arizona State Legislature.

The bill's author, Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, a Republican, has repeatedly said the bill is not targeted at President Barack Obama.

"It's not about that," Seel said. "It's about future elections and maintaining the integrity of the Constitution."

The bill still needs to be signed by GOP Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

Seel's bill garnered headlines and a thumbs up from business mogul and possible presidential candidate Donald Trump, who has been hammering Obama over the "birther" issue of late.

Seel's bill interested Trump enough for the reality show star to agree to a meeting with the Arizona lawmaker.

So-called "birthers" remain skeptical that Obama was born in the United States even though claims to the contrary have been widely rejected.

because, you know..  there's no one else doing background checks on potential candidates..  right?

you guys sure do it differently out there in the desert.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 15, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 15, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Arizona bill requiring proof of US citizenship to get on ballot passes

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/15/arizona.president.bill/index.html?hpt=T2

QuoteThe Arizona Legislature approved a bill Thursday night that would require presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names could be placed on a state ballot.

The so-called "birther bill" got final approval by a vote of 40 to 16 in the state House, according to the website for the Arizona State Legislature.

The bill's author, Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, a Republican, has repeatedly said the bill is not targeted at President Barack Obama.

"It's not about that," Seel said. "It's about future elections and maintaining the integrity of the Constitution."

The bill still needs to be signed by GOP Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

Seel's bill garnered headlines and a thumbs up from business mogul and possible presidential candidate Donald Trump, who has been hammering Obama over the "birther" issue of late.

Seel's bill interested Trump enough for the reality show star to agree to a meeting with the Arizona lawmaker.

So-called "birthers" remain skeptical that Obama was born in the United States even though claims to the contrary have been widely rejected.

because, you know..  there's no one else doing background checks on potential candidates..  right?

you guys sure do it differently out there in the desert.


We're full of distilled crazy.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Disco Pickle on April 19, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
Jan Brewer vetoes the bill..  hmm..  not sure I saw that coming.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/18/arizona.president.bill.veto/index.html?hpt=T1

QuoteArizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill late Monday that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they were American citizens, born in the United States, before their names could have been placed on the state ballot.

The so-called "birther bill" got final approval in the state House last week. Now that Brewer, a Republican, has vetoed it, the bill will not become law unless legislators vote to override her veto.

"As a former Secretary of State, I do not support designating one person as a gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions," the governor wrote in a letter addressed to the Arizona House speaker.

Under the measure, if there were any dispute about whether a candidate had proved he or she had been born in the United States, Arizona's secretary of state would have the final say.

"This measure creates significant new problems while failing to do anything constructive for Arizona," she added.

Obama has been hounded by allegations since he began running for president in 2008 that he was not born in America. Critics contend, among other things, that he was born in his father's home country of Kenya. The U.S. Constitution stipulates that only "natural born" citizens are eligible to be president.

Obama has insisted that he was born in Hawaii, and the allegations against him have been repeatedly discredited in investigations by CNN and other organizations. Nevertheless, the issue remains politically potent among segments of the electorate and has served as a rallying cry for many of the president's opponents, most recently potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.

William Bennett's take on Donald Trump

The author of the so-called "birther bill," Arizona State Rep. Carl Seel, has said the bill was not targeted at Obama, but at "maintaining the integrity of the Constitution."

Among other things, a candidate would have to show a copy of his or her birth certificate. If a birth certificate couldn't be produced, a candidate would have to show a combination of baptismal or circumcision records, hospital birth files, postpartum medical records or other documents. Candidates also would have to submit affidavits declaring their citizenship as well as sworn statements regarding their residency for the previous 14 years.

"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their 'early baptismal or circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far," wrote Brewer.

Fourteen other states are considering similar legislation this year, according to Jennie Bowser, a senior fellow with the National Conference of State Legislatures. Measures have failed in three states -- Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

In an effort to counter the charges of the birthers, Obama's 2008 campaign produced a "certification of live birth," a document traditionally accepted legally as confirmation of a birth.

Both the current Hawaii governor, Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat, and the previous governor, Linda Lingle, a Republican, have insisted that Obama was born in their home state.

Nearly 75% of Americans believe Obama was definitely or probably born in the United States, according to a March 11-13 CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. More than four in 10 Republicans, however, believe the president probably or definitely was not born in America.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on April 19, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Was probably pointed out to her that it'd be a fast track to get the issue to the Supreme Court, who would slap it down, hard.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Disco Pickle on April 19, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 19, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Was probably pointed out to her that it'd be a fast track to get the issue to the Supreme Court, who would slap it down, hard.

The bit about providing records of circumcision in the event a birth certificate could not be provided made me laugh. 

"I'm sorry sir, that piece of paper isn't going to be enough.  We're going to need to see the original skin"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on April 19, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 19, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Was probably pointed out to her that it'd be a fast track to get the issue to the Supreme Court, who would slap it down, hard.

Jan Brewer has generally struck me as not a complete lunatic, although I could be wrong.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on April 19, 2011, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 19, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Was probably pointed out to her that it'd be a fast track to get the issue to the Supreme Court, who would slap it down, hard.

The bit about providing records of circumcision in the event a birth certificate could not be provided made me laugh. 

"I'm sorry sir, that piece of paper isn't going to be enough.  We're going to need to see the original skin"

Its a Zionist conspiracy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Disco Pickle on April 19, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 19, 2011, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: Pickled Starfish on April 19, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 19, 2011, 01:03:10 PM
Was probably pointed out to her that it'd be a fast track to get the issue to the Supreme Court, who would slap it down, hard.

The bit about providing records of circumcision in the event a birth certificate could not be provided made me laugh. 

"I'm sorry sir, that piece of paper isn't going to be enough.  We're going to need to see the original skin"

Its a Zionist conspiracy.

another one?

:lulz:

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on May 14, 2011, 04:24:47 AM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_d7d979d4-f4fb-5603-af76-0bef206f8301.html

Just going to leave that here for posterity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2011, 09:57:41 PM
We haven't had more than an inch of rain, total, in 7 months.

Wildfires are everywhere, and where they're not, it's dry as tinder.

The obvious thing to do? 

DECIDE THAT INDIVIDUAL FIREWORKS/DISPLAYS ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED!

http://www.fox11az.com/news/New-Arizona-law-heightens-fire-fears-123507464.html

:lulz::hammer::lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on June 09, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
:lulz: Oh, Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 02:59:13 AM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 09, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
:lulz: Oh, Arizona.

I feel like Dian Fossey.

Dumbasses in the Mist Asphyxiating Smoke.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 10, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Does that mean you're going to go nuts and eventually start killing people who pick on your wingnut objects of study?

Also, clearly fireworks are what the Founding Fathers meant when they talked about firearms.  Everyone always forgets the great Battle of Guy Fawkes (1777), where Washington nearly decapitated a British general with a well thrown Catherine Wheel.  Since then, the right to bear fireworks shall never be infringed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 10, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Does that mean you're going to go nuts and eventually start killing people who pick on your wingnut objects of study?

I thought so at first, but then I was all like, "Why limit myself?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on June 10, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 09, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
:lulz: Oh, Arizona.

This needs to be a song.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 10, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 09, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
:lulz: Oh, Arizona.

This needs to be a song.

Sand, cement and filthy stucco towers
Someone called us Tucson
Those hungry homeless
Tracking down the straights
But where were all your shoulders when we cried
Where the darlings up in Phoenix
Dreaming up such horrible lies
To whisper in your ear before you die

It's party time for the guys in the town of Tucson
Sodom meet Gomorrah, Cain meet Abel
Have a ball y'all
See the letches crawl
With the call girls under the table
Watch them dig their graves
`Cause Jesus don't save the guys
In the town of Tucson

Watch them dig their graves
`Cause Jesus don't save the guys
In the town of Tucson...Oh, Tucson

Junkie angels, this corner's always stacked
The dealer's in the basement
Filling your prescription
For a brand new heart attack

But where were all your shoulders when we cried
Were the cops around the body
Saying how they felt so sick inside
Or was it just the beat reporter telling lies?

(To the tune of The Tower of Babel, by Elton John)


Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Adios on June 10, 2011, 04:48:59 PM
Damn.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 10, 2011, 04:48:59 PM
Damn.

If the horror in your pance fits, roll around in it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on June 10, 2011, 04:53:29 PM
Damn, Roger, there's poetry in your soul.

Twisted, dark, and... well, TUSCON... but it's poetry...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 10, 2011, 04:53:29 PM
Damn, Roger, there's poetry in your soul.

Twisted, dark, and... well, TUSCON... but it's poetry...

Technically speaking, there's poetry in an old Elton John song.   :lulz:

I just tinkered with it to make it fit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2011, 09:01:08 PM
Yeah.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/670eb9b140a54006a654c6ae49f8ea46/AZ--Missing-Meter-Money

Someone stole the cannisters off of the parking meters in downtown Tucson.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
:lulz:  Not surprising.  This is the type of economy where people will be stealing ATM machines and whatnot.  Some guy robbed a bank for A DOLLAR so he could get medical care.

God Bless America. :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
:lulz:  Not surprising.  This is the type of economy where people will be stealing ATM machines and whatnot.  Some guy robbed a bank for A DOLLAR so he could get medical care.

God Bless America. :x

92 cannisters equals about 350-400 pounds of coins.  So how the hell do you spend that?   :lulz:

I mean, the banks will be looking for someone to show up with a few thousand quarters.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
:lulz:  Not surprising.  This is the type of economy where people will be stealing ATM machines and whatnot.  Some guy robbed a bank for A DOLLAR so he could get medical care.

God Bless America. :x

92 cannisters equals about 350-400 pounds of coins.  So how the hell do you spend that?   :lulz:

I mean, the banks will be looking for someone to show up with a few thousand quarters.

Rollin rollin...keep those doggies rollin...I hate rolling coins.

But I guess they can just go to CoinStar with a sackfull here and there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on June 27, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 27, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 27, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
:lulz:  Not surprising.  This is the type of economy where people will be stealing ATM machines and whatnot.  Some guy robbed a bank for A DOLLAR so he could get medical care.

God Bless America. :x

92 cannisters equals about 350-400 pounds of coins.  So how the hell do you spend that?   :lulz:

I mean, the banks will be looking for someone to show up with a few thousand quarters.

Rollin rollin...keep those doggies rollin...I hate rolling coins.

But I guess they can just go to CoinStar with a sackfull here and there.

CoinStar, onto an Amazon.com goft certificate.  I could bankroll my reading habit for YEARS...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 29, 2011, 04:12:04 AM
"Your honor, can we be told when our client is going to get drugs?"

"HELL THE FUCK NO. GET OUT OF MY COURTROOM."


QuotePHOENIX -- Lawyers for the suspect in the Tucson shooting rampage have provided the first official picture of their client's behavior behind bars, saying he threw a plastic chair against a wall of his prison cell on two occasions and spit on one of his attorneys.

The attorneys for Jared Lee Loughner also say that their client has been held in solitary confinement since his Jan. 8 arrest. His prison behavior was revealed in a request by his attorneys to prevent prison authorities from forcibly giving him anti-psychotic drugs.

Loughner has been at a federal prison facility in Springfield, Mo., where mental health experts will try to make him psychologically fit to stand trial. He arrived May 28 and will spend up to four months there. A judge has twice denied requests by Loughner's attorneys to be given notice before their client is drugged.

Defense attorneys said a prison administrative hearing on June 14 found Loughner was a danger to himself. They don't know whether prison officials have started giving him drugs.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/jared-lee-loughner-behavior-spit-on-attorney_n_885754.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:03:50 PM
There's probably going to be very little sympathy for that dude's rights.  They just need to watch their asses so his case isn't thrown out on a technicality, they way they're going.  If appeals go through, etc., and it was shown his rights were violated before conviction, the prosecution's case could get fucked sideways.

Dumbasses.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:03:50 PM
There's probably going to be very little sympathy for that dude's rights. 

That dude's brains are completely scrambled.  He needs to be in a psychiatric ward, not a prison.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:03:50 PM
There's probably going to be very little sympathy for that dude's rights.

That dude's brains are completely scrambled.  He needs to be in a psychiatric ward, not a prison.

You saying the authorities and courts in AZ are gonna be all into that?  :lulz:

He'll only survive this whole thing if the feds try him at the outset and send him away to a nice, quiet federally-run loonybin.  But I uh...doubt it's gonna be as smooth as that.

What the guy needs ain't what the guy's likely gonna get.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 29, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:03:50 PM
There's probably going to be very little sympathy for that dude's rights.

That dude's brains are completely scrambled.  He needs to be in a psychiatric ward, not a prison.

You saying the authorities and courts in AZ are gonna be all into that?  :lulz:

He'll only survive this whole thing if the feds try him at the outset and send him away to a nice, quiet federally-run loonybin.  But I uh...doubt it's gonna be as smooth as that.

What the guy needs ain't what the guy's likely gonna get.

Actually, most Arizonans are on board with the insanity thing...Because it was Giffords that got shot, and Arizonans have never forgiven her for beating Jesse Kelly.  At least the law & order tards.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 29, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
Actually, they probably will Jenne, eventually.

Although it's fairly obvious Loughner is psychotic, it's also true there are vested interests in portraying everyone who dares to attack a public official as being "insane".  Even if they have perfectly good reasons for wanting to knock a politician off.  In fact, the "insanity plea" was invented during the trial of the would-be assassin of Sir Robert Peel, the British Prime Minister, for this exact reason.

Can you imagine the ruling class of any country admitting their enemies may be sane and rational at any possible time?  I'm having a hard time with that train of thought.  Most Western politicians cannot admit terrorists or the leadership of Iran may be sane, so a would-be assassin who puts up videos of his gibberish on Youtube has no chance.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:27:33 PM
I'm thinking that 1) AZ's citizens were actually NOT exactly dancing in the streets when this happened--and many of them took a step back and said--well, THAT AIN'T US!--though many of them probably turn a blind eye to or have a laissez faire attitude toward the extremist thoughts that are a benchmark of Tea Party rhetoric that the media picked up on and 2) yes, eventually, this guy's probably going to be treated...but they're not going to make it smooth and easy.  They're already withholding info from lawyers who are probably being compelled to defend him (I haven't looked this up, but that often happens in cases like his).

He's poor.  He's nuts.  And he's shot a member of Congress.

...his only saving grace is that she survived and didn't go completely braindead (I imagine there are SOME deficiencies, but by all reports, she's doing awesomely).

I'm just doubting anyone, other than his family, is going to lobby for extreme justice for HIS case...it's Gabby Gifford's tragedy that will be at the forefront.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 13, 2011, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 10, 2011, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on June 10, 2011, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 09, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
:lulz: Oh, Arizona.

This needs to be a song.

Sand, cement and filthy stucco towers
Someone called us Tucson
Those hungry homeless
Tracking down the straights
But where were all your shoulders when we cried
Where the darlings up in Phoenix
Dreaming up such horrible lies
To whisper in your ear before you die

It's party time for the guys in the town of Tucson
Sodom meet Gomorrah, Cain meet Abel
Have a ball y'all
See the letches crawl
With the call girls under the table
Watch them dig their graves
`Cause Jesus don't save the guys
In the town of Tucson

Watch them dig their graves
`Cause Jesus don't save the guys
In the town of Tucson...Oh, Tucson

Junkie angels, this corner's always stacked
The dealer's in the basement
Filling your prescription
For a brand new heart attack

But where were all your shoulders when we cried
Were the cops around the body
Saying how they felt so sick inside
Or was it just the beat reporter telling lies?

(To the tune of The Tower of Babel, by Elton John)




Bump for use elsewhere.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 13, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Hey, Dok, apparently a State Senator in Arizona shoved a loaded Ruger into a journalist's chest recently.  Details?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 13, 2011, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Hey, Dok, apparently a State Senator in Arizona shoved a loaded Ruger into a journalist's chest recently.  Details?

Lori Klein.

She's a fucking nutcase, and has done stuff like this before.  She pointed it at his (Richard Ruelas's) face, so he could see the aiming laser in action.  She then went on to gush about her experience as a gun safety advocate.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 13, 2011, 06:06:11 PM
Heh.  I'm sure he was thrilled.  Oh, that's right, she said her finger "wasn't on the trigger".  I mean, the safety was off, but it's not like guns ever go off by themselves, do they?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 13, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 06:06:11 PM
Heh.  I'm sure he was thrilled.  Oh, that's right, she said her finger "wasn't on the trigger".  I mean, the safety was off, but it's not like guns ever go off by themselves, do they?

Typically, they don't, really...But that's not how you bet the whole reckless endangerment & brandishing case.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on July 13, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
The gun was pink....   :|

Someone should have slapped for having a fucking PINK gun to begin with.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on July 13, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
(http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/KittyRifle.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on July 13, 2011, 07:34:34 PM
I can't see it  :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on July 13, 2011, 07:36:15 PM
It's a Hello Kitty M-16.  Or maybe an AK-47. I dunno, ask one of the military folks.  Either way, it's PINK. And [/I]HELLO KITTY[/i].
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 13, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"

Which Deadly Warrior has the Hello Kitty AR-15 in its arsenal, exactly?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on July 13, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"

Which Deadly Warrior has the Hello Kitty AR-15 in its arsenal, exactly?

The IRA, I think it was. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on July 13, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"

Which Deadly Warrior has the Hello Kitty AR-15 in its arsenal, exactly?

The IRA, I think it was. :lulz:

The IRA has pink Hello Kitty guns?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Phox on July 13, 2011, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Khara on July 13, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"

Which Deadly Warrior has the Hello Kitty AR-15 in its arsenal, exactly?

The IRA, I think it was. :lulz:

The IRA has pink Hello Kitty guns?
Sign me up.

Phox,
Bog-trotting terrorist, for realz now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: MMIX on July 13, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Hey, Dok, apparently a State Senator in Arizona shoved a loaded Roger into a journalist's chest recently.  Details?

Scariest thing I've misread in a long time
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Phox on July 13, 2011, 11:17:48 PM
Quote from: MMIX on July 13, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Hey, Dok, apparently a State Senator in Arizona shoved a loaded Roger into a journalist's chest recently.  Details?

Scariest thing I've misread in a long time

I read that the same way.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 13, 2011, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: MMIX on July 13, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 05:42:15 PM
Hey, Dok, apparently a State Senator in Arizona shoved a loaded Roger into a journalist's chest recently.  Details?

Scariest thing I've misread in a long time

I HAVE NO SAFETY!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BadBeast on July 14, 2011, 01:33:08 AM
Quote from: Khara on July 13, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 13, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on July 13, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
AR-15 (of which the M-16 is a derivative, if Wikipedia is to be believed).


Cainad,
only vaguely remembers this from an episode of "Deadliest Warrior"

Which Deadly Warrior has the Hello Kitty AR-15 in its arsenal, exactly?

The IRA, I think it was. :lulz:

The IRA has pink Hello Kitty guns?


No but the Japs do!
(http://i.imgur.com/rh62K.jpg)
Part of their "DADT" program for Gay Samurais.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 03, 2011, 06:49:51 PM
Perhaps this has been known and noted:

http://www.salon.com/news/immigration/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/03/biggers_russell_pearce

"...a new examination of [Arizona's state Senate president] Russell Pearce's website and public statements reveals that the self-proclaimed architect of Arizona's "papers please" immigration law has regularly borrowed significant portions of text from the writings of hard-line white nationalists, fringe anti-immigrant activists, and others whose views far fall outside the mainstream and presented them as his own."

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 03, 2011, 06:56:33 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 03, 2011, 06:49:51 PM
Perhaps this has been known and noted:

http://www.salon.com/news/immigration/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/03/biggers_russell_pearce

"...a new examination of [Arizona's state Senate president] Russell Pearce's website and public statements reveals that the self-proclaimed architect of Arizona's "papers please" immigration law has regularly borrowed significant portions of text from the writings of hard-line white nationalists, fringe anti-immigrant activists, and others whose views far fall outside the mainstream and presented them as his own."



Yeah.  Sheriff Arpeio's Nazi pals aren't too happy about it, either.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 03, 2011, 07:04:05 PM
Just goes to show that NOBODY like a plagiarist. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 03, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
damn. i just noticed that this thread has guns in it, and i haven't been paying attention.  :sad:

Personally i love the hello kitty AR...  but why does it have the non-pistol grip stock?  that's not necessary in AZ afaik...

also, i would like to point out that the gun control advocates have based their attacks on the emotional reaction to guns by pandering to the hoplophobe's aversion to the aesthetics of the 'mean' looking guns, e.g. the AWB that limited the gun to a set number of features that make it look nasty without having any real effect on their lethality.
so it's the so-called 'black guns' like the AR-15 that they go for.
but then when it started becoming popular to put some color on your guns by using products like Duracoat that can make your gun brightly colored (such as this pink one here), they attacked the guns for looking too innocent, arguing that they looked like toys, and might cause mayhem because they would be disregarded by possible victims or used by children who thought they were, in fact, toys.

So, it would seem that in order to avoid attack from the controllers, our guns should maintain some undefined level of 'threatening appearance'...
i find that humorous.  :)

regarding the current topic: fuck that guy...  but, why is arpeio torqued at him?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 10, 2011, 02:14:03 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 03, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
damn. i just noticed that this thread has guns in it, and i haven't been paying attention.  :sad:

Personally i love the hello kitty AR...  but why does it have the non-pistol grip stock?  that's not necessary in AZ afaik...

also, i would like to point out that the gun control advocates have based their attacks on the emotional reaction to guns by pandering to the hoplophobe's aversion to the aesthetics of the 'mean' looking guns, e.g. the AWB that limited the gun to a set number of features that make it look nasty without having any real effect on their lethality.
so it's the so-called 'black guns' like the AR-15 that they go for.
but then when it started becoming popular to put some color on your guns by using products like Duracoat that can make your gun brightly colored (such as this pink one here), they attacked the guns for looking too innocent, arguing that they looked like toys, and might cause mayhem because they would be disregarded by possible victims or used by children who thought they were, in fact, toys.

So, it would seem that in order to avoid attack from the controllers, our guns should maintain some undefined level of 'threatening appearance'...
i find that humorous.  :)

regarding the current topic: fuck that guy...  but, why is arpeio torqued at him?

All of them at once, exactly the same argument I'm sure.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 10, 2011, 02:17:32 PM
 :?
i don't follow...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Placid Dingo on August 10, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 10, 2011, 02:17:32 PM
:?
i don't follow...

It just seems like you're bypassing a whole argument (gun control) by making opponents arguments for them in the most stupid way possible

BUT

If I'm honest with myself I know you're probably just commenting on particular nuances of given arguments that are amusing or contradictory
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on August 10, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on August 10, 2011, 02:17:32 PM
:?
i don't follow...

It just seems like you're bypassing a whole argument (gun control) by making opponents arguments for them in the most stupid way possible

BUT

If I'm honest with myself I know you're probably just commenting on particular nuances of given arguments that are amusing or contradictory

I can't see any reasonable argument FOR gun control.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on August 10, 2011, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on August 10, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
It just seems like you're bypassing a whole argument (gun control) by making opponents arguments for them in the most stupid way possible

BUT

If I'm honest with myself I know you're probably just commenting on particular nuances of given arguments that are amusing or contradictory

Your honest assessment is the correct one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 15, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
Whoops....

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/penis-1394452-chandler-shooting.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 15, 2011, 04:46:59 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on August 15, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
Whoops....

http://www.wwmt.com/articles/penis-1394452-chandler-shooting.html

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 15, 2011, 04:52:32 PM
Chandler.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 02, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
I'll just leave this here:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/tucson-republican-leader-slams-county-gop-for-giffords-gun-raffle.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 02, 2011, 11:20:00 PM
Oh, holy shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
Hey, remember this asshole?

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2009/11/arpaio-feature-crop-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has apparently decided that it's an efficient, proper use of the State of Arizona's money to set the Cold Case Unit to a new job.

At the instigation of the Arizona Tea Party, he has assigned the unit to investigate...

Obama's birth certificate.

I shit you not.

Quote"The Surprise Tea Party is concerned," they wrote, "that no law enforcement agency or other duly constituted government agency has conducted an investigation into the Obama birth certificate to determine if it is in fact an authentic copy of 1961 birth records on file for Barack Obama at the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu, or whether it, or they are forgeries."

"Congress should be ashamed," Brian Reilly, a spokesman for the Surprise Tea Party, told the right-wing "news" site World Net Daily. "They didn't even have the backbone to uphold their constitutional oaths of office to initiate this investigation."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
Hey, remember this asshole?

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2009/11/arpaio-feature-crop-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has apparently decided that it's an efficient, proper use of the State of Arizona's money to set the Cold Case Unit to a new job.

At the instigation of the Arizona Tea Party, he has assigned the unit to investigate...

Obama's birth certificate.

I shit you not.

Quote"The Surprise Tea Party is concerned," they wrote, "that no law enforcement agency or other duly constituted government agency has conducted an investigation into the Obama birth certificate to determine if it is in fact an authentic copy of 1961 birth records on file for Barack Obama at the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu, or whether it, or they are forgeries."

"Congress should be ashamed," Brian Reilly, a spokesman for the Surprise Tea Party, told the right-wing "news" site World Net Daily. "They didn't even have the backbone to uphold their constitutional oaths of office to initiate this investigation."


This is why he keeps getting reelected, you know.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
Hey, remember this asshole?

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2009/11/arpaio-feature-crop-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has apparently decided that it's an efficient, proper use of the State of Arizona's money to set the Cold Case Unit to a new job.

At the instigation of the Arizona Tea Party, he has assigned the unit to investigate...

Obama's birth certificate.

I shit you not.

Quote"The Surprise Tea Party is concerned," they wrote, "that no law enforcement agency or other duly constituted government agency has conducted an investigation into the Obama birth certificate to determine if it is in fact an authentic copy of 1961 birth records on file for Barack Obama at the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu, or whether it, or they are forgeries."

"Congress should be ashamed," Brian Reilly, a spokesman for the Surprise Tea Party, told the right-wing "news" site World Net Daily. "They didn't even have the backbone to uphold their constitutional oaths of office to initiate this investigation."


This is why he keeps getting reelected, you know.   :lulz:

How DO you stand all that stupid?  Seriously?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2011, 12:41:42 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 20, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
Hey, remember this asshole?

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2009/11/arpaio-feature-crop-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has apparently decided that it's an efficient, proper use of the State of Arizona's money to set the Cold Case Unit to a new job.

At the instigation of the Arizona Tea Party, he has assigned the unit to investigate...

Obama's birth certificate.

I shit you not.

Quote"The Surprise Tea Party is concerned," they wrote, "that no law enforcement agency or other duly constituted government agency has conducted an investigation into the Obama birth certificate to determine if it is in fact an authentic copy of 1961 birth records on file for Barack Obama at the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu, or whether it, or they are forgeries."

"Congress should be ashamed," Brian Reilly, a spokesman for the Surprise Tea Party, told the right-wing "news" site World Net Daily. "They didn't even have the backbone to uphold their constitutional oaths of office to initiate this investigation."


This is why he keeps getting reelected, you know.   :lulz:

How DO you stand all that stupid?  Seriously?

Drugs.  Loads and loads of drugs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2011, 01:29:48 PM
Hey, I heard somewhere that in Arizona you now have to pay a fee in order to visit someone in prison.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 20, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 20, 2011, 01:29:48 PM
Hey, I heard somewhere that in Arizona you now have to pay a fee in order to visit someone in prison.

Yep.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/09/12/20110912arizona-prison-visitors-fee-lawsuit.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on September 20, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
ugh. that's how prisons used to operate. There was a period of history when prisons were totally privately run. Not surprisingly, they were more concerned with profits than criminal justice. Prisoners had to pay for their own beds and food or they'd be forced to live in really hellish conditions. Usually the prisoner's family had to cover it. They'd also make your family pay an extra fee to release you--whether or not your sentence was up or not.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on September 21, 2011, 03:35:50 AM
http://www.kpho.com/story/15500473/human-skeleton-for-sale



Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on December 02, 2011, 03:45:48 AM
http://gawker.com/5863916/former-gop-sheriff-of-the-year-busted-in-gay-sex+for+meth-deal

QuoteFormer GOP Sheriff of the Year Busted in Gay Sex-for-Meth Deal

Patrick J. Sullivan Jr. was the beloved Republican sheriff of Arapahoe County, Colo., for nearly 20 years before he retired in 2002. In 2001, he was named national Sheriff of the Year. Yesterday he was arrested by the department he used to run for offering a man meth in exchange for sex.

Happens to the best of them! The details sound suspiciously like another prominent Colorado Republican who had a secret gay meth-life: Ted Haggard. From the New York Times:

QuoteSheriff Robinson said the police had begun an investigation into Mr. Sullivan's activities on Nov. 17 after several individuals alerted the authorities that he might be involved with methamphetamines.

    The investigation led the police to a home on Tuesday where they say Mr. Sullivan agreed to provide drugs to a longtime, adult male associate, in exchange for sex. He was taken into custody without incident, Sheriff Robinson said.

    According to a probable cause statement filed in court on Wednesday morning, two confidential informants told police they had engaged in sexual activity with Mr. Sullivan before, in exchange for methamphetamines or cash.

It's not clear whether Sullivan's love of meth-sex may have predated his retirement. He was booked into that Arapahoe County Jail, which also goes by the name Patrick J. Sullivan Jr. Detention Facility.
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on December 02, 2011, 04:11:26 AM
The desert ALWAYS makes the best crazies.  Always.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 07:30:25 PM
Ah, Jan Brewer.  You stay classy!

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jan-brewer-obama-6646359
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on January 26, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/us/arizona-candidates-english-under-challenge.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23

A judge is blocking Alejandrina Cabrera from being on the ballot based on her English skills. Apparently the law is that elected officials in Arizona need to be able to do their job without a translator. The judge called in a linguist, who determined that Alejandrina couldn't speak english well enough to do the job. The counter-argument is that the linguist had a thick Australian accent and Alejandrina couldn't understand him.

what do you guys think about this?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 27, 2012, 04:58:04 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 26, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/us/arizona-candidates-english-under-challenge.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23

A judge is blocking Alejandrina Cabrera from being on the ballot based on her English skills. Apparently the law is that elected officials in Arizona need to be able to do their job without a translator. The judge called in a linguist, who determined that Alejandrina couldn't speak english well enough to do the job. The counter-argument is that the linguist had a thick Australian accent and Alejandrina couldn't understand him.

what do you guys think about this?

I think it's fucking ridiculous. The community she serves is bilingual, and that area has primarily spoken Spanish for hundreds of years. If her constituents don't primarily speak English, and in fact most of them understand Spanish, then the law requiring she not require a translator is absurd.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on January 27, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
I totally agree with you.

Devil's advocate question: what about the other people on the council -- if the council meetings are conducted in English, shouldn't she be able to speak/understand that language? No job that involves communication is going to hire you if you don't speak the lingua franca.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 28, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
I totally agree with you.

Devil's advocate question: what about the other people on the council -- if the council meetings are conducted in English, shouldn't she be able to speak/understand that language? No job that involves communication is going to hire you if you don't speak the lingua franca.

First of all, if half or more of her constituents speak Spanish, and any of the other council members don't speak Spanish, there's a huge problem.

Second, that they wouldn't have a translator at council meetings where half the town speaks Spanish is absurd.

Third, Arizona's language laws are clearly designed to block its low-income Spanish-speaking population from representation, which is criminal and absolutely reprehensible.

How does Arizona deal with things like Deaf people running for office?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 28, 2012, 12:15:39 AM
Oh shit, I just looked it up and the city is 90% Mexican-American and Spanish is the primary language there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 28, 2012, 06:29:39 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 26, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/us/arizona-candidates-english-under-challenge.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23

A judge is blocking Alejandrina Cabrera from being on the ballot based on her English skills. Apparently the law is that elected officials in Arizona need to be able to do their job without a translator. The judge called in a linguist, who determined that Alejandrina couldn't speak english well enough to do the job. The counter-argument is that the linguist had a thick Australian accent and Alejandrina couldn't understand him.

what do you guys think about this?

(http://www.targetofopportunity.com/SheriffJoeArpaio.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 29, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
If the law is that elected officials must be able to do their job without a translator, if the city is predominantly Spanish-speaking, then people who can't communicate fluently in Spanish should not be able to run for elected office.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 29, 2012, 06:29:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 29, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
If the law is that elected officials must be able to do their job without a translator, if the city is predominantly Spanish-speaking, then people who can't communicate fluently in Spanish should not be able to run for elected office.

You just don't get it, little lady.
\
(http://www.targetofopportunity.com/SheriffJoeArpaio.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 29, 2012, 06:54:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 29, 2012, 06:29:10 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 29, 2012, 04:08:26 AM
If the law is that elected officials must be able to do their job without a translator, if the city is predominantly Spanish-speaking, then people who can't communicate fluently in Spanish should not be able to run for elected office.

You just don't get it, little lady.
\
(http://www.targetofopportunity.com/SheriffJoeArpaio.jpg)

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on January 30, 2012, 08:34:48 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
I totally agree with you.

Devil's advocate question: what about the other people on the council -- if the council meetings are conducted in English, shouldn't she be able to speak/understand that language? No job that involves communication is going to hire you if you don't speak the lingua franca.

If this is primarily a Spanish speaking town, it sounds like the meetings are only conducted in English as a condition of Arizona State Law. I don't see the council woman having much of a case beyond being able to demonstrate her English proficiency, but the law itself could be hit with a federal challenge if she could get enough of her constituents to say that *they* are being wronged by a law that is disrupting their right to equal representation. As it stands, for the reasons you stated above, I don't think she alone has much of a case.

...which doesn't make this any less bullshit, though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on January 30, 2012, 09:46:41 AM
I'm going to raise the idea in Teabagger circles that all meetings should take place in Aramaic.  If it was good enough for Jesus...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on January 30, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 28, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
I totally agree with you.

Devil's advocate question: what about the other people on the council -- if the council meetings are conducted in English, shouldn't she be able to speak/understand that language? No job that involves communication is going to hire you if you don't speak the lingua franca.

First of all, if half or more of her constituents speak Spanish, and any of the other council members don't speak Spanish, there's a huge problem.

Second, that they wouldn't have a translator at council meetings where half the town speaks Spanish is absurd.

Third, Arizona's language laws are clearly designed to block its low-income Spanish-speaking population from representation, which is criminal and absolutely reprehensible.

How does Arizona deal with things like Deaf people running for office?

:mittens:

thank you for articulating that so well

I will now proceed to shoot those bullet points at people
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 30, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Not political, but it is some serious asshattery in AZ:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Man-arrested-for-texting-naked-photo-of-girlfriends-daughter-135269093.html


QuoteA man is in custody after allegedly texting a naked photo of his girlfriend's daughter to nearly 40 contacts in the girl's cellphone.

Foster found a photo the girl, who is a student at Poston Butte High School in San Tan Valley, had taken of herself, and decided to teach her a lesson by sending the photo to contacts in her phone.


What the fuck?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 07:03:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 30, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Not political, but it is some serious asshattery in AZ:

Nothing is political in Arizona. 

Nothing.

It is all just horrible fucking stupidity, and it piles up around my door every night, like snow.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on January 30, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 30, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Not political, but it is some serious asshattery in AZ:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/Man-arrested-for-texting-naked-photo-of-girlfriends-daughter-135269093.html


QuoteA man is in custody after allegedly texting a naked photo of his girlfriend's daughter to nearly 40 contacts in the girl's cellphone.

Foster found a photo the girl, who is a student at Poston Butte High School in San Tan Valley, had taken of herself, and decided to teach her a lesson by sending the photo to contacts in her phone.


What the fuck?

I don't even...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
jesus, wtf is wrong with that guy?
he intended to teach her a lesson for..... what, exactly?  tfa says he found a nude pic of her on her phone.  i guess it is implied that he thought that she was, or intended to, sext it?
sooooo to punish her, he.... sexts it?!
jesus christ, what an asshole.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
jesus, wtf is wrong with that guy?
he intended to teach her a lesson for..... what, exactly?  tfa says he found a nude pic of her on her phone.  i guess it is implied that he thought that she was, or intended to, sext it?
sooooo to punish her, he.... sexts it?!
jesus christ, what an asshole.

I am not usually a fan of disproportionate legal action, but in this case, I hope he enjoys his 5-10 and his lifetime subscription to the sex offender's list.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on January 30, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:09:55 PM
jesus, wtf is wrong with that guy?
he intended to teach her a lesson for..... what, exactly?  tfa says he found a nude pic of her on her phone.  i guess it is implied that he thought that she was, or intended to, sext it?
sooooo to punish her, he.... sexts it?!
jesus christ, what an asshole.

I am not usually a fan of disproportionate legal action, but in this case, I hope he enjoys his 5-10 and his lifetime subscription to the sex offender's list.

In this case, that does not seem too terribly disproportionate.  He ruined that kid's life.

If someone did that to ME, he'd wish for something so mild.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
that might be overstating it a bit much, but i'm sure in her mind right now he ruined her life.
and he certainly did fuck up her highschool experience.  probably did some lasting mental damage, that's for sure.

perhaps the wrath of the angry intarwebs can generate a vengeful meme on this guy?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:28:58 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
that might be overstating it a bit much, but i'm sure in her mind right now he ruined her life.
and he certainly did fuck up her highschool experience.  probably did some lasting mental damage, that's for sure.

perhaps the wrath of the angry intarwebs can generate a vengeful meme on this guy?

No, I think prison will do nicely.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
certainly so.  but a bit of public humiliation as well would satisfy the tooth for tooth spin of things?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
certainly so.  but a bit of public humiliation as well would satisfy the tooth for tooth spin of things?

No, there's no satisfaction to be had here.  Just shove him in a hole and put the kid in counseling.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:45:20 PM
the oubliette it is, then.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:45:20 PM
the oubliette it is, then.

Yep.  While I am against prison for potheads and similarly harmless people, shitbags like this one deserve it entirely.

Assuming, of course, that he is found guilty of the accusation.1




1 Redacted for the new American century.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on January 30, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 30, 2012, 09:45:20 PM
the oubliette it is, then.

Yep.  While I am against prison for potheads and similarly harmless people, shitbags like this one deserve it entirely.

Assuming, of course, that he is found guilty of the accusation.1




1 Redacted for the new American century.

Yeah, there's the whole "proven guilty" thing.  If he is found guilty, toss him down the hole.

In for "distributing child pornography" may get him more than he deserves.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on January 31, 2012, 12:58:15 AM
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/jail-inmate-arrested-for-trespassing-after-allegedly-refusing-to-leave/article_1f529c47-681f-50ed-b0d3-2f6eef436871.html
QuoteA 44-year-old man was charged with trespassing at the county jail on Monday for refusing to leave his cell.

Martin Batieni Kombate, 44, was arrested last week in Flagstaff for trespassing and was set to be released on Monday under his own recognizance on the charge.

But when the detention officers from the Coconino County Sheriff's Office showed up to escort him out, Kombate allegedly said he wasn't leaving.

An officer from the Flagstaff Police Department was called over to speak to the man, according to a report. When the officer approached his cell, Kombate said he wouldn't go because he didn't know where his wallet was.
I heard this on the radio last week.  I lol'd. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on February 15, 2012, 02:33:57 AM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/ben-quayle-denies-writing-for.html

QuoteAfter initially denying the allegations, Arizona House candidate Ben Quayle (R), son of former vice president Dan Quayle, admitted on Tuesday that he used to post comments on a Web site called "Dirty Scottsdale" several years ago, Politico reports.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on February 28, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
Wait, maybe I'm off my rocker, but haven't the Republicans recently been screeching at Obama for promoting class warfare? 

Only letting the rich kids get into college is kinda class warfare you stupid-ridden asshats!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 28, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
According to GOPlogic, trying to ensure every child can afford to go to college is "elitist".

Common sense?  This!  Is!  POLITICAL DEBATE!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on February 28, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
Well, according to Santorum, the belief that kids should be educated is "snobbish": http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/46550620/#46550620
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on February 28, 2012, 08:17:20 PM
We will march to American Exceptionalism with an army of Fry Cooks!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on February 28, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammmit dammit dammit dammit dammit damiit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit etc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 28, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
Education poll tax.  Even the Tories over here aren't feeling quite that bold.

Or they're just smarter.  Decades of debt = a better system of control than outright expelling people from the education system.  The latter tells people in no uncertain terms who their enemy is.  And another generation of Arizona's best and brightest will remember, when it comes to voting time.  All those old people in Phoenix aren't going to last forever, after all.  And there are more Latinos and students every year, on the other hand, who wont forget slights like ID checks or outrageous college fees.  Demographically, the GOP are killing themselves, even if it sucks in the immediate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 28, 2012, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

I would say it's unbelievable, we also have high schools that appear to be designed to fast-track kids to prison so that for-profit prison corporations can make money.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 28, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
Hey, an FYI: DO NOT go to Rep. Michelle Ugenti's website: Roger says it's virus-ridden and borked his computer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on February 28, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 28, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
Hey, an FYI: DO NOT go to Rep. Michelle Ugenti's website: Roger says it's virus-ridden and borked his computer.

What the fuck?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 28, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
I think Rep Ugenti just got a life lesson from people whose Computer Science III class did not cost them $2000
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on February 28, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 28, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
Hey, an FYI: DO NOT go to Rep. Michelle Ugenti's website: Roger says it's virus-ridden and borked his computer.

That's not the HuffPo link, right?  Just the article linked to there?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 28, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
HuffPo link is safe.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 29, 2012, 01:52:41 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 28, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
I think Rep Ugenti just got a life lesson from people whose Computer Science III class did not cost them $2000

That's my guess.  The fucking thing sliced through our firewall like a hot knife through butter, and took Henry and two other people to contain, let alone eliminate.

My hat is off to whichever student did that shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on February 29, 2012, 01:57:22 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 29, 2012, 01:52:41 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 28, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
I think Rep Ugenti just got a life lesson from people whose Computer Science III class did not cost them $2000

That's my guess.  The fucking thing sliced through our firewall like a hot knife through butter, and took Henry and two other people to contain, let alone eliminate.

My hat is off to whichever student did that shit.

Shit fuck damn. Glad I didn't go to her page. My comp would have been toast.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 29, 2012, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 29, 2012, 01:52:41 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 28, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
I think Rep Ugenti just got a life lesson from people whose Computer Science III class did not cost them $2000

That's my guess.  The fucking thing sliced through our firewall like a hot knife through butter, and took Henry and two other people to contain, let alone eliminate.

My hat is off to whichever student did that shit.

Yeah.  Sucks to be on the receiving end, of course, but you can't make an omelette and all that...

Also, surprisingly relevant to what I said above (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2012/02/28/republicans-and-immigration/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=republicans-and-immigration):

QuoteMatt Steinglass is half-right when he says this:

QuoteRepublicans aren't concocting grand strategies based on John Judis and Ruy Teixeira's thesis that they face demographic doom, because they don't believe that thesis. I think most Republicans actually don't think that their hard-line anti-immigration stance ought to be costing them the Hispanic vote. As far as they're concerned it's the right policy, and Hispanics ought to be able to see that.

I agree that most Republicans don't believe this thesis when it is presented to them. Many Republicans are scarcely aware of this argument in the first place, but they are far more likely to believe that America is and will continue to be a "center-right nation." When asked to provide evidence for this view, they will probably invoke polling data on ideological self-identification, and if that isn't enough they will point to the 2010 midterms. Many Republicans view the composition of the 2010 electorate as proof of the resilience of the Republican coalition after the aberrations of 2006 and 2008. 2012 will likely be a disillusioning election for them.

I think this can be said to be true for almost every facet of Republican thinking.  "It's RIGHT and you ought to be able to see that!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
Joe Arpaio is bringing Birtherism back

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009

QuoteThe birth certificate of US President Barack Obama could well be a forgery, a high-profile Arizona sheriff has said.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County - who styles himself as America's toughest - unveiled the results of a probe into the origins of the document.

His investigators found "probable cause" the certificate may have been made by "forgery and fraud", he said.

Mr Arpaio, known for his tough stance on immigration, is being investigated over allegations of racial profiling.

The US justice department alleges that his office routinely discriminated against Latinos.

He also faces a federal grand jury investigation into the activities of his anti-corruption unit, and a forthcoming re-election bid in Maricopa County.
Tea Party request

Announcing the findings of his volunteer "Cold Case Posse", Mr Arpaio, 79, said analysis of an electronic copy of Mr Obama's birth certificate had revealed strong doubts about its authenticity.

"Based on all of the evidence presented and investigated I cannot in good faith report to you that these documents are authentic," Mr Arpaio said.

This is currently the top story on the BBC, as well, so I don't think this is going to go away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Chairman Risus on March 02, 2012, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

What's the reasoning behind passing something like this? Or are we reaching the point where politics becomes indistinguishable from comic book villainy?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 02, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: Risus on March 02, 2012, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

What's the reasoning behind passing something like this? Or are we reaching the point where politics becomes indistinguishable from comic book villainy?

To keep the poor from getting an education.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 02, 2012, 09:12:55 PM
An uneducated population with constant access to unchallenging entertainment that exalts being a useless attention whore is easier to control. Yes we are living in a dystopian future novel. I mean action movie. Novels are too intellectually stimulating.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 02, 2012, 09:32:23 PM
The official reasoning is that, apparently, over 50% of all Arizonan students paid no college bills at all.

Naturally, this statistic was bullshit, but the idea of anyone getting anything for free sent the GOP's faithful flying monkeys into spasms of rage.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 02, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
Mmmm made up statistics. The best kind.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on March 02, 2012, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.
Did they just accidentally their college football teams?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on March 02, 2012, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.
Did they just accidentally their college football teams?

I imagine that exceptions will be made.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 02, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
Sports player earned it by playing for their team as opposed to people who earned it for getting good grades or whatever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: AFK on March 04, 2012, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 02, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on March 02, 2012, 10:05:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html)

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.
Did they just accidentally their college football teams?

I imagine that exceptions will be made.

Unless they are baseball players. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 14, 2012, 03:39:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/02/27/432837/arizona-state-rep-university-students/?mobile=nc

Followup.

I'm glad I was already thinking of going to an out-of-state college and taking monkey to a less psychotic area to get schooling.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:05:31 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 03:39:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/02/27/432837/arizona-state-rep-university-students/?mobile=nc

Followup.

I'm glad I was already thinking of going to an out-of-state college and taking monkey to a less psychotic area to get schooling.

Come to the PNW. We have so much water it falls from the sky.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 14, 2012, 04:28:26 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:05:31 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 03:39:25 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2012, 07:57:30 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/michelle-ugenti-arizona-rep-justifies-tuition-hike_n_1304731.html

QuoteAn Arizona House committee passed a bill last week that would require every student at a public college in the state, regardless of economic status, to pay a minimum of $2,000 in tuition.

As Think Progress noted, nearly 100 Arizona students attended the committee hearing to speak out against the bill, HB 2675, expressing concern that it would make it more difficult for many students to afford college. Rep. Michelle Ugenti (R-Scottsdale) responded bluntly in favor of the new measure: "Welcome to life."

This doesn't just mean subsidies would be hit.  It also means that kids with full-ride scholarships would have to pay $2000 of their own money on top of the full tuition granted by the scholarship.

It does not raise the tuition itself, for people who are self-paying, with the exception that it would increase the minimum cost/semester to $2000.

We have the first outright "poor tax" in America.   :lulz:

The goal, obviously, is to prevent poor people from getting an education.

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/02/27/432837/arizona-state-rep-university-students/?mobile=nc

Followup.

I'm glad I was already thinking of going to an out-of-state college and taking monkey to a less psychotic area to get schooling.

Come to the PNW. We have so much water it falls from the sky.

100% truth.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 14, 2012, 04:30:18 AM
But I've heard that, especially around the bridges, a lot of dihydrogen monoxide inhalation occurences happen. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:34:25 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:30:18 AM
But I've heard that, especially around the bridges, a lot of dihydrogen monoxide inhalation occurences happen.

We also have monsters that breath it up here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 14, 2012, 04:37:56 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:34:25 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:30:18 AM
But I've heard that, especially around the bridges, a lot of dihydrogen monoxide inhalation occurences happen.

We also have monsters that breath it up here.

True story.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 14, 2012, 04:42:08 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 14, 2012, 04:37:56 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:34:25 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:30:18 AM
But I've heard that, especially around the bridges, a lot of dihydrogen monoxide inhalation occurences happen.

We also have monsters that breath it up here.

True story.

NO WAY.  DISBELIEVE!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:45:53 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:42:08 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 14, 2012, 04:37:56 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:34:25 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:30:18 AM
But I've heard that, especially around the bridges, a lot of dihydrogen monoxide inhalation occurences happen.

We also have monsters that breath it up here.

True story.

NO WAY.  DISBELIEVE!

We have so much of it, we just dump the excess into the ocean.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 14, 2012, 04:47:20 AM
:crankey: SO YOU'RE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OCEANSIDE DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE POISONING!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 14, 2012, 04:49:19 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 14, 2012, 04:47:20 AM
:crankey: SO YOU'RE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OCEANSIDE DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE POISONING!

Not me. I have nothing to with our dihi redistribution and waste management program.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 14, 2012, 01:39:42 PM
We too have water that fall into the sky and monsters that breathe it. Theyre considered a common part of the diet. Even the water scorpions. But in our language they are called lobstah.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Phox on March 14, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on March 14, 2012, 01:39:42 PM
We too have water that fall into the sky and monsters that breathe it. Theyre considered a common part of the diet. Even the water scorpions. But in our language they are called lobstah.
Lawbstah?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 14, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
Its pretty much a relief that this bill doesn't apply to community colleges, just (so far) the big three state colleges.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 14, 2012, 10:58:49 PM
What I want to know is if it also applies to vets. If it does, that is another possible line of attack against it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 15, 2012, 01:37:01 AM
I can't fucking read the stupid thing, its too hard to find. :argh!: 

As far as I know, it's for everybody.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 15, 2012, 01:42:53 AM
Athletes and academic scholars are exempt, I guess.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 19, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 14, 2012, 10:58:49 PM
What I want to know is if it also applies to vets. If it does, that is another possible line of attack against it.
Quote
An amendent, introduced by Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, exempting honorably discharged and active duty service members failed.

Quote"I'm a veteran and I don't think I should get free university tuition," Kavanagh [One of the prime sponsors of HB 2675 Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills] said. "Some veterans are extremely wealthy adults."

Kavanagh is the guy who proposed the bill based on two year old data, during a year where 48% of students didn't have to pay tuition.

QuoteCampbell said students should have every available tool to succeed and HB 2675 is a tuition increase that would deter many students from pursuing a higher education.

"We have one of the lowest rates of financial aid in the country," he said. "According to our state constitution, we should be providing a free, or as free as possible education. What problem are we trying to solve with this?"

Kavanagh said he would "bend over backwards" to make education affordable, but believed students should contribute to their education.

"We do not believe university education should be totally free," he said.

ETA: link to article http://www.statepress.com/2012/02/22/hb-2675-passes-committee-despite-strong-opposition/?utm_source=BlogGlue_network&utm_medium=BlogGlue_Plugin
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 19, 2012, 10:34:19 PM
I keep hearing about it got pulled and then I can't find anywhere that says so. :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
Well shitfuckdamn.
Someone should maybe share this with some people.

What kind of shit is that? How does "some vets are extremely wealthy" equate to "lets force all vets to pay 2 grand for their college when their federally granted gi bill states it will cover all tuition at public universities"

I didn't do 4 fucking years just have some pencil dick decide that I need to spend 2 grand a year to "contribute to my education".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 19, 2012, 10:40:08 PM
You should have spent more time fighting for your country in the boardroom of Goldman Sachs.  They pay for everything.  Even sex changes.  I bet they'd pay for your college out of the petty cash tin.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 19, 2012, 10:40:08 PM
You should have spent more time fighting for your country in the boardroom of Goldman Sachs.  They pay for everything.  Even sex changes.  I bet they'd pay for your college out of the petty cash tin.

And one day I could hope to be rich like them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 19, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
Well shitfuckdamn.
Someone should maybe share this with some people.

What kind of shit is that? How does "some vets are extremely wealthy" equate to "lets force all vets to pay 2 grand for their college when their federally granted gi bill states it will cover all tuition at public universities"

I didn't do 4 fucking years just have some pencil dick decide that I need to spend 2 grand a year to "contribute to my education".

I did read a little blurb on one of the articles that one of the people in K-guy's office told them that he was probably going to withdraw it, because an aide in some other department said it wouldn't leave the rules committee or something.

Even if it pans out to be not true, you're pretty much golden unless you wanted to go to schol in Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on March 19, 2012, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 19, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on March 19, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
Well shitfuckdamn.
Someone should maybe share this with some people.

What kind of shit is that? How does "some vets are extremely wealthy" equate to "lets force all vets to pay 2 grand for their college when their federally granted gi bill states it will cover all tuition at public universities"

I didn't do 4 fucking years just have some pencil dick decide that I need to spend 2 grand a year to "contribute to my education".

I did read a little blurb on one of the articles that one of the people in K-guy's office told them that he was probably going to withdraw it, because an aide in some other department said it wouldn't leave the rules committee or something.

Even if it pans out to be not true, you're pretty much golden unless you wanted to go to schol in Arizona.

Well I'm not, but still I feel it acceptable to get pissed off over what some rich piece of shit wants to do to my people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 19, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
It's totally acceptable.

God damn.  I know that this is politics everywhere now, but seriously, (most of) Arizona's seats of power are held by insane people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 19, 2012, 10:28:03 PM


Quote"I'm a veteran and I don't think I should get free university tuition," Kavanagh [One of the prime sponsors of HB 2675 Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills] said. "Some veterans are extremely wealthy adults."


SUPPORT TEH TROOPS!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 20, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 19, 2012, 10:28:03 PM


Quote"I'm a veteran and I don't think I should get free university tuition," Kavanagh [One of the prime sponsors of HB 2675 Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills] said. "Some veterans are extremely wealthy adults."


SUPPORT TEH TROOPS!

:retard:  That was just pure FUCK YOUery.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 20, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 19, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on March 19, 2012, 10:28:03 PM


Quote"I'm a veteran and I don't think I should get free university tuition," Kavanagh [One of the prime sponsors of HB 2675 Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills] said. "Some veterans are extremely wealthy adults."


SUPPORT TEH TROOPS!

:retard:  That was just pure FUCK YOUery.

http://www.statepress.com/2012/03/01/legislator-withdraws-controversial-tuition-bill/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 20, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
Ah, excellent.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizona-birth-control-bill-contraception-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html

WOW!

QuoteUnder current law, health plans in Arizona that cover other prescription medications must also cover contraception. House Bill 2625, which the state House of Representatives passed earlier this month and the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed on Monday, repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control.

Moreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.

"The bill goes beyond guaranteeing a person's rights to express and practice their faith," Anjali Abraham, a lobbyist for the ACLU, told the Senate panel, "and instead lets employers prioritize their beliefs over the beliefs, the interests, the needs of their employees, in this case, particularly, female employees."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on March 20, 2012, 12:28:30 AM
I don't even know what to do with your state, Dok. Seriously. Also, please note I'll be shipping any and all AZ refugees I find back to you, lest the contaminate my state.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:31:29 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on March 20, 2012, 12:28:30 AM
I don't even know what to do with your state, Dok. Seriously. Also, please note I'll be shipping any and all AZ refugees I find back to you, lest the contaminate my state.

Can't say as I blame ya.   :lulz:

It's so fucking weird.  You come to Tucson, everyone's sort of liberal, they believe in rights and a safety net...But go up to Glendale or Scottsdale (or anywhere in the Phoenix/Scared Old White People) zone, and it's back to 1600CE.  I really can't explain it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizona-birth-control-bill-contraception-medical-reasons_n_1344557.html

WOW!

QuoteUnder current law, health plans in Arizona that cover other prescription medications must also cover contraception. House Bill 2625, which the state House of Representatives passed earlier this month and the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed on Monday, repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control.

Moreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.

"The bill goes beyond guaranteeing a person's rights to express and practice their faith," Anjali Abraham, a lobbyist for the ACLU, told the Senate panel, "and instead lets employers prioritize their beliefs over the beliefs, the interests, the needs of their employees, in this case, particularly, female employees."

Arizona just can't stop trying to top themselves.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:37:33 AM

Arizona just can't stop trying to top themselves.

We are a 6,482,505 person self-parody.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:48:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 20, 2012, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 20, 2012, 12:37:33 AM

Arizona just can't stop trying to top themselves.

We are a 6,482,505 person self-parody.

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 20, 2012, 01:57:08 AM
QuoteMoreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.

What's REALLY, REEALLY fucked up about this is that there was language in the original bill that didn't allow employers to discriminate against employees who found coverage for contraceptives elsewhere, but it got taken out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LizKing531 on April 04, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 28, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
The sooner this thing goes critical, the better.

I suggest starting rumours that illegals are working at army bases and have been implicated in theft of military equipement, and see if the teabaggers are stupid enough to take the bait and protest a military base with their usual finesse and style (ie incoherent ranting, often while holding weapons).

I know I'm late to the party on this thread - but this is sheer brilliance -  why isnt this a thread or entire organization of its own?   hmm.....   8)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on April 04, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: LizKing531 on April 04, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 28, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
The sooner this thing goes critical, the better.

I suggest starting rumours that illegals are working at army bases and have been implicated in theft of military equipement, and see if the teabaggers are stupid enough to take the bait and protest a military base with their usual finesse and style (ie incoherent ranting, often while holding weapons).

I know I'm late to the party on this thread - but this is sheer brilliance -  why isnt this a thread or entire organization of its own?   hmm.....   8)

How did I not see this two years ago?
Someone better not point out all the smudgy people in the Army that aren't US citizens to those yahoos.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on April 04, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Ok, seriously. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR STATE, DOK?

From here[/ (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/01/arizona-legislators-trying-to-declare-pregnancy-two-weeks-prior-to-conception?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20rhrealitycheck%20%28RHRealityCheck.org%29&utm_content=Google%20Reader)
Quote from: Arizona Lawmakers Trying To Legislate Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception
Medically speaking, pregnancy starts when a fertilized egg implants in the uterine lining. Anti-choicers have attempted to shift the goalposts of pregnancy with their failed attempts to pass "personhood" laws conferring the full rights of a living, breathing person on a fertilized egg.

Arizona and other states with 20-week bans are trying to argue that you're pregnant a couple of weeks before you even had the sex that resulted in your pregnancy.

Think about the implications down the road. If a woman is "pregnant" two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman---including those currently menstruating!---should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don't know the future. We don't know that any non-pregnant woman couldn't be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now. Considering that it's anti-choice nuts we're talking about, it's safe to assume that they'd simply prefer a situation where all women of reproductive age are considered to be pregnant, on the grounds that they could be two weeks from now. Better safe than sorry, especially if that mentality means you get to exert maximum control over the bodies of women of reproductive age.

Between personhood bills and the assault on access to contraception, it's becoming increasingly clear that anti-choicers aren't satisfied with simply trying to control the already-pregnant. Finding ways to define the not-pregnant as pregnant is a means of laying the groundwork for exerting this control. Imagine if Roe is overturned and states go into a true frenzy of stripping every imaginable right away from pregnant women. It wouldn't be limited to stripping the right to abortion, but also to any kind of behavior deemed "abortive," including holding certain kinds of jobs, eating certain foods, or taking certain medications. With this bill, then, you could not only restrict the rights of those who are actually pregnant, but extend the restrictions to all women of reproductive age on the grounds that they "could be pregnant in two weeks, i.e. in perpetuity" and would therefore be considered the same thing as being pregnant.

Already in some states, they're looking for ways to prosecute women who have stillbirths if they did something the prosecutor believes may have had an impact on the pregnancy, such as drug use. With the hoped-for overturn of Roe, we can expect these efforts to intensify, with prosecutions of miscarriages. Now with this Arizona bill, if a woman is deemed pregnant two weeks before she actually is, prosecutors could even have a chance to look at your choices when you weren't even pregnant---before you even had the sex that made you pregnant---and blame those choices for bad outcomes. They're creating, brick by brick, the legal basis on which to prosecute a woman who drinks some alcohol, becomes pregnant two weeks later, and miscarries, even though she didn't drink while pregnant. And you best believe that when feminists protest this, they'll just paint it as if we're more interested in protecting drunken sluts than "babies."

If you can [legally] be "pregnant" without being pregnant, that also creates legal complications around simple menstruation. After all, menstruation is usually seen as the opposite of being pregnant; women use menstruation to mark that they aren't pregnant. But under this bill, you could both be menstruating and "pregnant" by law. Should Roe be overturned and the state start looking to prosecute women for miscarriages they deem inappropriately prevented, what about women who are just getting their period? They're "pregnant" under the pregnant-prior-to-conception framework, aren't they? Are they miscarrying in the eyes of the law or are they just continuing their theoretical pregnancy? These kinds of ambiguities are exactly the sort of thing zealous misogynist law enforcement will be looking to exploit.
WTFIDE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
We're not right.  In the head.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on April 04, 2012, 08:36:03 PM
I've noticed. Good fucking god.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on April 04, 2012, 08:36:03 PM
I've noticed. Good fucking god.

Hmmm.   Desert terrain, women aren't considered people, all laws are vetted for compliance with religion, etc, etc.

Somehow, this is all sounding very familiar.

But the thing is, it's a bunch of butthurt CC RWNs, who are trying to get their licks in while they can, and also to see just how far they can push it.

We'll have to eat them, one fine day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 04, 2012, 08:41:09 PM
However, on the plus side, you can declare yourself dead two weeks early, for tax purposes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 04, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2012, 08:41:09 PM
However, on the plus side, you can declare yourself dead two weeks early, for tax purposes.

:lulz:

Douglas Adams was a prophet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:43:18 AM
Quote from: Guru Coyote on April 04, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: LizKing531 on April 04, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 28, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
The sooner this thing goes critical, the better.

I suggest starting rumours that illegals are working at army bases and have been implicated in theft of military equipement, and see if the teabaggers are stupid enough to take the bait and protest a military base with their usual finesse and style (ie incoherent ranting, often while holding weapons).

I know I'm late to the party on this thread - but this is sheer brilliance -  why isnt this a thread or entire organization of its own?   hmm.....   8)

How did I not see this two years ago?
Someone better not point out all the smudgy people in the Army that aren't US citizens to those yahoos.

No shit. There are a fuckton of people in the U.S. military who are immigrants. A lot of them are way bigger fans of the U.S.A than natural-born citizens.

Oooh, wonder if we could prod the Tea Party to try to ban non-natural-born citizens from military service? Because (unless things have changed) that is still a legitimate avenue of gaining citizenship.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:49:50 AM
At some point, the logical extension of all this is that all non-menopausal women will be considered "pre-pregnant", and our every move will be scrutinizable for actions that could jeopardize the unborn, requiring us to be put under the care of a warden.

A male warden, of course.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 07:24:09 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?

I would say Portland, but honestly Seattle seems a bit better as Washington State seems to be more progressive overall.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 07:48:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 07:24:09 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?

I would say Portland, but honestly Seattle seems a bit better as Washington State seems to be more progressive overall.

Hm.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:48:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 07:24:09 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?

I would say Portland, but honestly Seattle seems a bit better as Washington State seems to be more progressive overall.

Hm.

Or, you could live in "The Other Vancouver", which Seattlites sometimes refer to as the San Diego of Washington State (I am not overlooking the fact that this makes Portland Tijuana) and have the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

Because in Arizona, no restriction of rights is too far!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: Nigel on April 05, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

Because in Arizona, no restriction of rights is too far!

Well, rights are for men.  Says so in the bible.  Somewhere.  And not in that damned liberal Apocrypha, neither.

And not just any man.  Just quality people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 05, 2012, 06:03:19 PM
White, in other words*






*Commies and faggots need not apply.

Also, America is now living proof of Corey Robin's thesis.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 05, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

Except when they're on their period.

Imagine, a city where women are on five-day binge-drinking benders while menstruating.

It would be a glorious sight, no?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 06:03:19 PM
White, in other words*






*Commies and faggots need not apply.

Also, America is now living proof of Corey Robin's thesis.

White, with money, and you only beat your family in the privacy of your own home.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 05, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

Except when they're on their period.

Imagine, a city where women are on five-day binge-drinking benders while menstruating.

It would be a glorious sight, no?

Gives a whole new meaning to "ladies' night".  I am up for this program.

Dok,
Silly grin at no additional cost.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 05, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 05, 2012, 06:03:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

Except when they're on their period.

Imagine, a city where women are on five-day binge-drinking benders while menstruating.

It would be a glorious sight, no?

:horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:

GO ARIZONA!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

So they're going to raise the drinking age for women to 55, "just to be safe".

How the FUCK do these ugly motherfuckers expect to get laid?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

So they're going to raise the drinking age for women to 55, "just to be safe".

How the FUCK do these ugly motherfuckers expect to get laid?

You have to understand that they're all either old men or bizarre female religious freaks that are only outside of the home until they can put things right, Phyllis Scafly style.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 05, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
The great thing about that bill is that it would force women to behave at all times as if they were pregnant.

So no drinking, ladies.  Because you can never tell, right?

So they're going to raise the drinking age for women to 55, "just to be safe".

How the FUCK do these ugly motherfuckers expect to get laid?

You have to understand that they're all either old men or bizarre female religious freaks that are only outside of the home until they can put things right, Phyllis Scafly style.

That actually explains EVERYTHING.  :eek:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on April 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that enough people that think like this exist that these sorts of bills actually get serious consideration and the ability to pass. Sure, a lot of *those* people may be in power, but someone put them there and there seem to be enough "ordinary" yahoos screaming their support. Maybe, like the "small town" thing, it's just a product of my environment, seeing as how this area tends to be fairly "socially liberal".

I mean, growing up Catholic, my parents were all "no sex before marriage". Then I went on birth control for semi-medical reasons, then they found out *it* happened and yea, not happy, but that's what's going to happen and it wasn't the end of the world. I'm sure they'd rather see me and my sister using contraception rather than either of us ending up with a child we can't properly support. And since it's not exactly "dinner conversation" the best I can sum up their feelings on abortion is that they tend to be against it, but aren't going to be cheering on anyone blowing up a Planned Parenthood clinic either. (yea that's pretty vague but what can I say, not something we talk about).

My point being is that my parents, and many others in their generation that I've interacted with - while they may *prefer* if things were a certain way and everything was wrapped in a neat little package, they seem to at least acknowledge the realty of how things work or what might happen. I can't SEE them supporting a NO CONTRACEPTION FOR ANYONE EVER, DEATH TO BABY KILLERS and NO RIGHTS FOR YOU, WOMEN. And maybe that's what's scary. It's one thing to see the obvious religious nutjob on the streets of Boston holding his placards and handing out "you're all going to Hell" pamphets. But not ALL these people can look like obvious nutjobs, so what's hidden in the minds of people I generally think of as "normal" or "sane"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that enough people that think like this exist that these sorts of bills actually get serious consideration and the ability to pass.

You have to remember that Arizona is a state where scared White bible-thumpers go to die.

Like Florida.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that enough people that think like this exist that these sorts of bills actually get serious consideration and the ability to pass.

You have to remember that Arizona is a state where scared White bible-thumpers go to die.

Like Florida.

Very much like.  The biggest concentration of scared white Bible thumpers is the greater Phoenix area, which covers all the cities that Phoenix ate.  This is where Sherriff Arpaio lives, this is where Gov Brewer is, this is where our politicians convene, so it stands to reason that Our politicians are going to be people that the scared white Bible thumpers think will be appropriate, for the most part.  If they aren't, such as Gabby Giffords wasn't, well, reality finds a way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that enough people that think like this exist that these sorts of bills actually get serious consideration and the ability to pass.

You have to remember that Arizona is a state where scared White bible-thumpers go to die.

Like Florida.

Very much like.  The biggest concentration of scared white Bible thumpers is the greater Phoenix area, which covers all the cities that Phoenix ate.  This is where Sherriff Arpaio lives, this is where Gov Brewer is, this is where our politicians convene, so it stands to reason that Our politicians are going to be people that the scared white Bible thumpers think will be appropriate, for the most part.  If they aren't, such as Gabby Giffords wasn't, well, reality finds a way.

They also have 80% of the vote, so we have to go to Crazytown with them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 05, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
The GOP is convening in Florida this year.

I'm guessing all the possible venues in Arizona were already booked (and Florida has more hookers).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on April 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that enough people that think like this exist that these sorts of bills actually get serious consideration and the ability to pass.

You have to remember that Arizona is a state where scared White bible-thumpers go to die.

Like Florida.

Very much like.  The biggest concentration of scared white Bible thumpers is the greater Phoenix area, which covers all the cities that Phoenix ate.  This is where Sherriff Arpaio lives, this is where Gov Brewer is, this is where our politicians convene, so it stands to reason that Our politicians are going to be people that the scared white Bible thumpers think will be appropriate, for the most part.  If they aren't, such as Gabby Giffords wasn't, well, reality finds a way.

They also have 80% of the vote, so we have to go to Crazytown with them.

Yeah.  I forgot to imply that in my post. 

But, there is a little bit of a brighter side, which is that I don't think as large a percentage of SWBT down here.  It just doesn't have that vibe.  It's more for the hell raisers and freaks.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
The GOP is convening in Florida this year.

I'm guessing all the possible venues in Arizona were already booked (and Florida has more hookers).

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 05, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
The GOP is convening in Florida this year.

I'm guessing all the possible venues in Arizona were already booked (and Florida has more hookers).

We're also a bigger embarrassment for the GOP.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on April 05, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?
I'm pretty sure you could move anywhere in California and have this be side-eyed. Anywhere except possibly supremacist strongholds like Wonder Valley (but there's nothing in WV except horses and trees that look like the Virgin Mary, so there's no reason to move there).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 05, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on April 05, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 05, 2012, 07:22:44 AM
It seems like just about every week something crops up that makes me sorely tempted to make a break for it, no matter what consequences my God City will heap upon me, and that heap will be at least a medium sized foothill.

Do any of you spags live somehwere where this kind of thing seems a tad excessive?
I'm pretty sure you could move anywhere in California and have this be side-eyed. Anywhere except possibly supremacist strongholds like Wonder Valley (but there's nothing in WV except horses and trees that look like the Virgin Mary, so there's no reason to move there).

But I like both those things. :(


( :lol: )
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on April 05, 2012, 09:19:05 PM
At this point, I will not even be surprised when women are required to report for mandatory insemination.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Chairman Risus on April 05, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but support for ridiculous bills like this are ebbing, right? It seems the proposed laws getting crazier are the death throes of a dying ideology.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on April 05, 2012, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Chairman Risus on April 05, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but support for ridiculous bills like this are ebbing, right? It seems the proposed laws getting crazier are the death throes of a dying ideology.

I'd like to think so... but I'm making plans for the day I get the letter for my appointment.  (They involve the kidnapping and molestation of some poor, undeserving bastard... but, hey, he'll die with a smile on his face...)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 05, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
Quote from: Chairman Risus on April 05, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but support for ridiculous bills like this are ebbing, right? It seems the proposed laws getting crazier are the death throes of a dying ideology.

They're causing the vast majority of female voters to rethink voting for the Republicans, and making more than a few male independent voters feel the same way.

While I'm hesistant to forecast this far ahead, it's very possible doing things like this will result in Obama winning the presidential election later this year, and the House going back to the Democrats.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 05, 2012, 11:05:14 PM
Quote from: Chairman Risus on April 05, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but support for ridiculous bills like this are ebbing, right? It seems the proposed laws getting crazier are the death throes of a dying ideology.

Nationally, yes.

In Arizona, no.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 08, 2012, 02:10:27 PM
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/sv-legislator-sinister-plot-is-behind-toll-highway-plan/article_a6d27645-e6b4-5a82-9b4b-9381fc2b934a.html#ixzz1rHEffT1P

Basically, this toll highway is going to lead to a North American superstate which will abolish the USA and replace the dollar with the "Amero".  So clearly, voting against it was the right choice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: hirley0 on April 08, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 05, 2012, 09:19:05 PM
A insemination.
DID U mean
SirMen
as in LectUre
///
right  choice.
1 if by Lad 2 if by C
Look there is just no way to move the billions of bodies
from the bath to the BEDs other than by boat
check youR math program | if U have 1
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 10, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Lawyering, hard.   Getting disbarred, easy. (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/andrew_thomas_ethics_arpaio.php?ref=fpb)

Sheriff Arpaio must be having a sad:

QuoteNick R. Martin April 10, 2012, 12:18 PM Updated: April 10, 2012, 1:10 PM

In a Phoenix courtroom filled with fellow lawyers and some of his biggest critics on Tuesday, the former Arizona prosecutor who served for years as Sheriff Joe Arpaio's right-hand man was stripped of his license to practice law.

A three-member panel of the State Bar of Arizona ruled that ex-Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas abused his powers as a prosecutor to target his political enemies. Because of that, they ruled he would be disbarred.

One of Thomas' top aides, Lisa Aubuchon, was also disbarred for her role in the misconduct. A second aide, Rachel Alexander, had her law license suspended for six months.

Looks like Arpaio's machine may finally be coming unglued.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 10, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Is this good news, or is Sherrif Joe just gonna go rogue and start wasting immagrants?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 10, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
He'll get a cable teevee show like The Bounty Hunter.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: CorbeauEtRenard on April 10, 2012, 08:44:12 PM
Little late to the party from missing about a week of news and stuff, but an acquaintance of mine suggested the other day that all the women in Arizona go on perpetual maternity leave in protest, since they might discover any two-weeks-from-now that they've been retroactively pregnant.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 10, 2012, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 10, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Is this good news, or is Sherrif Joe just gonna go rogue and start wasting immagrants?

Somewhat good news.

It means his machine is no longer untouchable.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on April 13, 2012, 05:32:28 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on April 04, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Ok, seriously. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR STATE, DOK?

From here[/ (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/01/arizona-legislators-trying-to-declare-pregnancy-two-weeks-prior-to-conception?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20rhrealitycheck%20%28RHRealityCheck.org%29&utm_content=Google%20Reader)
Quote from: Arizona Lawmakers Trying To Legislate Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception
Medically speaking, pregnancy starts when a fertilized egg implants in the uterine lining. Anti-choicers have attempted to shift the goalposts of pregnancy with their failed attempts to pass "personhood" laws conferring the full rights of a living, breathing person on a fertilized egg.

Arizona and other states with 20-week bans are trying to argue that you're pregnant a couple of weeks before you even had the sex that resulted in your pregnancy.

Think about the implications down the road. If a woman is "pregnant" two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman---including those currently menstruating!---should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don't know the future. We don't know that any non-pregnant woman couldn't be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now. Considering that it's anti-choice nuts we're talking about, it's safe to assume that they'd simply prefer a situation where all women of reproductive age are considered to be pregnant, on the grounds that they could be two weeks from now. Better safe than sorry, especially if that mentality means you get to exert maximum control over the bodies of women of reproductive age.

Between personhood bills and the assault on access to contraception, it's becoming increasingly clear that anti-choicers aren't satisfied with simply trying to control the already-pregnant. Finding ways to define the not-pregnant as pregnant is a means of laying the groundwork for exerting this control. Imagine if Roe is overturned and states go into a true frenzy of stripping every imaginable right away from pregnant women. It wouldn't be limited to stripping the right to abortion, but also to any kind of behavior deemed "abortive," including holding certain kinds of jobs, eating certain foods, or taking certain medications. With this bill, then, you could not only restrict the rights of those who are actually pregnant, but extend the restrictions to all women of reproductive age on the grounds that they "could be pregnant in two weeks, i.e. in perpetuity" and would therefore be considered the same thing as being pregnant.

Already in some states, they're looking for ways to prosecute women who have stillbirths if they did something the prosecutor believes may have had an impact on the pregnancy, such as drug use. With the hoped-for overturn of Roe, we can expect these efforts to intensify, with prosecutions of miscarriages. Now with this Arizona bill, if a woman is deemed pregnant two weeks before she actually is, prosecutors could even have a chance to look at your choices when you weren't even pregnant---before you even had the sex that made you pregnant---and blame those choices for bad outcomes. They're creating, brick by brick, the legal basis on which to prosecute a woman who drinks some alcohol, becomes pregnant two weeks later, and miscarries, even though she didn't drink while pregnant. And you best believe that when feminists protest this, they'll just paint it as if we're more interested in protecting drunken sluts than "babies."

If you can [legally] be "pregnant" without being pregnant, that also creates legal complications around simple menstruation. After all, menstruation is usually seen as the opposite of being pregnant; women use menstruation to mark that they aren't pregnant. But under this bill, you could both be menstruating and "pregnant" by law. Should Roe be overturned and the state start looking to prosecute women for miscarriages they deem inappropriately prevented, what about women who are just getting their period? They're "pregnant" under the pregnant-prior-to-conception framework, aren't they? Are they miscarrying in the eyes of the law or are they just continuing their theoretical pregnancy? These kinds of ambiguities are exactly the sort of thing zealous misogynist law enforcement will be looking to exploit.
WTFIDE
GUESS WHAT YOUR DESERT QUEEN SIGNED, GUISE! (http://jezebel.com/5901617/uteruses-everywhere-weep-as-arizona-governor-signs-insanely-restrictive-abortion-bill-into-law?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 13, 2012, 05:51:16 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on April 13, 2012, 05:32:28 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on April 04, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Ok, seriously. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR STATE, DOK?

From here[/ (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/04/01/arizona-legislators-trying-to-declare-pregnancy-two-weeks-prior-to-conception?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20rhrealitycheck%20%28RHRealityCheck.org%29&utm_content=Google%20Reader)
Quote from: Arizona Lawmakers Trying To Legislate Pregnancy Two Weeks Prior To Conception
Medically speaking, pregnancy starts when a fertilized egg implants in the uterine lining. Anti-choicers have attempted to shift the goalposts of pregnancy with their failed attempts to pass "personhood" laws conferring the full rights of a living, breathing person on a fertilized egg.

Arizona and other states with 20-week bans are trying to argue that you're pregnant a couple of weeks before you even had the sex that resulted in your pregnancy.

Think about the implications down the road. If a woman is "pregnant" two weeks before she becomes pregnant, than any fertile woman---including those currently menstruating!---should really be considered pregnant. After all, we don't know the future. We don't know that any non-pregnant woman couldn't be pregnant two weeks from now, making her retroactively pregnant now. Considering that it's anti-choice nuts we're talking about, it's safe to assume that they'd simply prefer a situation where all women of reproductive age are considered to be pregnant, on the grounds that they could be two weeks from now. Better safe than sorry, especially if that mentality means you get to exert maximum control over the bodies of women of reproductive age.

Between personhood bills and the assault on access to contraception, it's becoming increasingly clear that anti-choicers aren't satisfied with simply trying to control the already-pregnant. Finding ways to define the not-pregnant as pregnant is a means of laying the groundwork for exerting this control. Imagine if Roe is overturned and states go into a true frenzy of stripping every imaginable right away from pregnant women. It wouldn't be limited to stripping the right to abortion, but also to any kind of behavior deemed "abortive," including holding certain kinds of jobs, eating certain foods, or taking certain medications. With this bill, then, you could not only restrict the rights of those who are actually pregnant, but extend the restrictions to all women of reproductive age on the grounds that they "could be pregnant in two weeks, i.e. in perpetuity" and would therefore be considered the same thing as being pregnant.

Already in some states, they're looking for ways to prosecute women who have stillbirths if they did something the prosecutor believes may have had an impact on the pregnancy, such as drug use. With the hoped-for overturn of Roe, we can expect these efforts to intensify, with prosecutions of miscarriages. Now with this Arizona bill, if a woman is deemed pregnant two weeks before she actually is, prosecutors could even have a chance to look at your choices when you weren't even pregnant---before you even had the sex that made you pregnant---and blame those choices for bad outcomes. They're creating, brick by brick, the legal basis on which to prosecute a woman who drinks some alcohol, becomes pregnant two weeks later, and miscarries, even though she didn't drink while pregnant. And you best believe that when feminists protest this, they'll just paint it as if we're more interested in protecting drunken sluts than "babies."

If you can [legally] be "pregnant" without being pregnant, that also creates legal complications around simple menstruation. After all, menstruation is usually seen as the opposite of being pregnant; women use menstruation to mark that they aren't pregnant. But under this bill, you could both be menstruating and "pregnant" by law. Should Roe be overturned and the state start looking to prosecute women for miscarriages they deem inappropriately prevented, what about women who are just getting their period? They're "pregnant" under the pregnant-prior-to-conception framework, aren't they? Are they miscarrying in the eyes of the law or are they just continuing their theoretical pregnancy? These kinds of ambiguities are exactly the sort of thing zealous misogynist law enforcement will be looking to exploit.
WTFIDE
GUESS WHAT YOUR DESERT QUEEN SIGNED, GUISE! (http://jezebel.com/5901617/uteruses-everywhere-weep-as-arizona-governor-signs-insanely-restrictive-abortion-bill-into-law?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 13, 2012, 06:20:19 AM
I was just running over here from facebook to lik that.

Every female in AZ from about 11 to 50 or so is now "legally pregnant".  :x

I don't think I've seen anything this retarded in my life. Ever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Golden Applesauce on April 13, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Isn't "# of weeks pregnant" traditionally counted from the last period, since the date of that is known - as opposed to the sex & implantation, which could have occurred anywhere over a couple of weeks time span?

Having something be illegal after 20 +/- 2 weeks seems even more insane, because then wouldn't the only way to know if your abortion came before or after the time limit would be to do an autopsy after the abortion had already happened?  So abortions would be legal in the first 18 weeks, but anyone getting an abortion over the next two weeks could be charged with a crime anyway if the DA thought that the embryo/fetus/whatever looked a little too developed?  Sounds a little "this act may or may not be illegal.  Do it first and we'll let you know." to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 02:16:53 PM
I tell people about this, and they don't believe me.  Even here, in the heart of the madness.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 13, 2012, 02:22:17 PM
Not having sex is now the moral equivalent to abortion, I hope you realise.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 13, 2012, 02:22:17 PM
Not having sex is now the moral equivalent to abortion, I hope you realise.

Good thing they're redefining "rape", right?  Now it's "medical evangelism".  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 13, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
It's about high time American realised the role of 51% of the population is to churn out as many babies as possible.  How can you possibly compete with China/make God happy/have endless foreign wars without a rapidly increasing population base?  It's practically selfish, refusing to reproduce constantly.  And not the good kind of selfish, like banks and businessmen and Ayn Rand encourage.  No, this is the bad kind of selfishness, because Feminazis and atheists and Sandra Fluke.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 02:43:53 PM
Email to Jan Brewer:

Dear Governor Brewer,

Congratulations on passing that pregnancy bill, but there's still much to be done.  When are you going to sign legislation requiring that you filthy whores dress decently (ankle skirts at the LEAST)?  Let's get that done, and then get your ass out of that office and back in the kitchen where you belong.

Sincerely,
Michael Hicks
Chairman,
Tuscon Unified School District
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 13, 2012, 02:45:40 PM
I see Jan Brewer has only had three children so far in her life.  She's obviously not trying hard enough.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 13, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 02:16:53 PM
I tell people about this, and they don't believe me.  Even here, in the heart of the madness.

:lulz:

When I took my dog out last night. I saw the people down the street were outside and I was thinking momentarily about going over there and telling them, until I realized that "All the women in Arizona are legally pregnant now" sounds like something a psychotic street person would go around saying.

Hey, if a woman in Arizona is legally pregnant and she visits another state where she is no longer considered pregnant and then comes home SHE TERMINATED A PREGNANCY!!!1! OH FUCKING NOES! CALL TEH LAW!!!11!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 09:26:10 PM
Also, rape victims are now "rape accusers".  Other crime victims are still victims.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 13, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Why am I not more eager to leave here?  I should be fleeing.  FLEEING!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 13, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Why am I not more eager to leave here?  I should be fleeing.  FLEEING!

To where?  Even Canada's gone retarded.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 13, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 13, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Why am I not more eager to leave here?  I should be fleeing.  FLEEING!

To where?  Even Canada's gone retarded.

There's some places in the States where the retardation doesn't reach Arizona depths.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 13, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 13, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 13, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Why am I not more eager to leave here?  I should be fleeing.  FLEEING!

To where?  Even Canada's gone retarded.

There's some places in the States where the retardation doesn't reach Arizona depths.

Chicago and Portland.

Boston.

That's it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 13, 2012, 10:17:38 PM
A few is better than none.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.

They should push for that. And put in for whatever benefits AZ has left these days for pregnant women, even if it's just WIC.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:42:34 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.

They should push for that. And put in for whatever benefits AZ has left these days for pregnant women, even if it's just WIC.

Um.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:44:48 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:42:34 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.

They should push for that. And put in for whatever benefits AZ has left these days for pregnant women, even if it's just WIC.

Um.

No WIC?

Even TEXAS has WIC.   :x

Has AZ surpassed us AND Florida?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:47:40 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:44:48 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:42:34 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.

They should push for that. And put in for whatever benefits AZ has left these days for pregnant women, even if it's just WIC.

Um.

No WIC?

Even TEXAS has WIC.   :x

Has AZ surpassed us AND Florida?

Oh, we have WIC and even health insurance for poor people.

But you can't actually have any.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on April 14, 2012, 04:50:38 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 14, 2012, 04:10:46 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 04:08:50 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 14, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
ALL WOMEN IN ARIZONA NEED TO GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE NOW.  UNTIL MENOPAUSE.

This should totally happen.

Only if they get paid maternity leave with the company they're with.

They should push for that. And put in for whatever benefits AZ has left these days for pregnant women, even if it's just WIC.

NOW YOU'RE THINKING LIKE THEM.

"Quick! Someone pass a measure that states that a woman can't go on WIC until she's passed the last date that she could abort in the most permissive state in the Union! We don't want these Lib'rul WIC abusers collecting free peanut butter and then going to Ohio! Better make 'em pay for transVaginal Ultrasounds too before they get the free cheese...just to make sure they aren't gaming the system.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 14, 2012, 09:11:03 AM
Actually, when you read the legislation carefully, there is one day of every month when women are not "legally pregnant".

I suggest all women go on a boozy rampage on said day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on April 14, 2012, 04:30:17 PM
I am so relieved that I never moved to AZ.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 14, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2012, 09:11:03 AM
Actually, when you read the legislation carefully, there is one day of every month when women are not "legally pregnant".

I suggest all women go on a boozy rampage on said day.

TEQUILA.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on April 16, 2012, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 14, 2012, 09:11:03 AM
Actually, when you read the legislation carefully, there is one day of every month when women are not "legally pregnant".

I suggest all women go on a boozy rampage on said day.

NOT SO FAST, BITCHES.

An EtG Urinalysis can detect alcohol in your system for up to 80 hours and if we can see the spirits, that means your unborn child can. You will be guilty of harming your baby the next day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says?ocid=ansmsnbc11

That was one of Sheriff Joe's good buddies.

Doo bee doo bee doo.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 03, 2012, 07:29:40 PM
Saw a blurb about this on the news (Fox, in the auto shop waiting room. Ugh.) not five minutes ago. Fuckin' A.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I didn't know about this guy before, but from the way he was described, I'm not sorry he's dead.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I didn't know about this guy before, but from the way he was described, I'm not sorry he's dead.

Too bad he took 4 other people with him, including a toddler.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I didn't know about this guy before, but from the way he was described, I'm not sorry he's dead.

Too bad he took 4 other people with him, including a toddler.

That is the very upsetting part, yes. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2012, 07:57:13 PM
J T Ready was basically a domestic terrorist in the making.  I'm not sad he's gone, but I am sad that people were pointing their finger at "narco-terrorists" at the border being a bigger threat.  They certainly weren't a bigger threat to Ready's family.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on May 03, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 03, 2012, 07:57:13 PM
J T Ready was basically a domestic terrorist in the making.  I'm not sad he's gone, but I am sad that people were pointing their finger at "narco-terrorists" at the border being a bigger threat.  They certainly weren't a bigger threat to Ready's family.

:argh!:

Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I didn't know about this guy before, but from the way he was described, I'm not sorry he's dead.

Too bad he took 4 other people with him, including a toddler.

:argh!: :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 05, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says?ocid=ansmsnbc11

That was one of Sheriff Joe's good buddies.

Doo bee doo bee doo.

That's pretty much the kind of people who want to shoot desperate immigrants coming over the border. It's not that they want to shoot immigrants as much as it is that they want to shoot someone.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says?ocid=ansmsnbc11

That was one of Sheriff Joe's good buddies.

Doo bee doo bee doo.

That's pretty much the kind of people who want to shoot desperate immigrants coming over the border. It's not that they want to shoot immigrants as much as it is that they want to shoot someone.

And to make sure that someone is by law lower on the totem pole than they are.

The Southern planters had the buckra.

Modern corporations have these yahoos.

By the way, would it surprise you to know that this guy and Russell Pearce were good buddies?  Incidentally, Pearce will not be reimbursed for his expenses for his failed defense of his recall.  Arizona seems to be not feeling quite itself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/russell-pearce-recall-reimbursement_n_1476497.html?ref=gop
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 06, 2012, 01:23:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says?ocid=ansmsnbc11

That was one of Sheriff Joe's good buddies.

Doo bee doo bee doo.

That's pretty much the kind of people who want to shoot desperate immigrants coming over the border. It's not that they want to shoot immigrants as much as it is that they want to shoot someone.

And to make sure that someone is by law lower on the totem pole than they are.

The Southern planters had the buckra.

Modern corporations have these yahoos.

By the way, would it surprise you to know that this guy and Russell Pearce were good buddies?  Incidentally, Pearce will not be reimbursed for his expenses for his failed defense of his recall.  Arizona seems to be not feeling quite itself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/russell-pearce-recall-reimbursement_n_1476497.html?ref=gop

Ahahahahaha! Oh, finally, a little ray of sanity shines from your state.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 09:04:40 PM
Quote from: Nigel on May 06, 2012, 01:23:56 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 01:05:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 05, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 07:23:08 PM
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says?ocid=ansmsnbc11

That was one of Sheriff Joe's good buddies.

Doo bee doo bee doo.

That's pretty much the kind of people who want to shoot desperate immigrants coming over the border. It's not that they want to shoot immigrants as much as it is that they want to shoot someone.

And to make sure that someone is by law lower on the totem pole than they are.

The Southern planters had the buckra.

Modern corporations have these yahoos.

By the way, would it surprise you to know that this guy and Russell Pearce were good buddies?  Incidentally, Pearce will not be reimbursed for his expenses for his failed defense of his recall.  Arizona seems to be not feeling quite itself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/russell-pearce-recall-reimbursement_n_1476497.html?ref=gop

Ahahahahaha! Oh, finally, a little ray of sanity shines from your state.

Well, it's like this...People come here to retire from all over America, and they really don't have a lot in common with each other.  They have even less in common with Hispanics.  So the obvious way to gain a sense of belonging is to rage out at THEM THAR ILLEEGULS.  It then became fashionable to out-zealous everyone else, in the same way they try to out-zealous everyone at their church.  So ANYTHING GOES.

Until it DID go, in the form of SB1072.  Then everyone sort of dropped the subject and pretended they were never involved, because it suddenly wasn't as much FUN when they got their way...and realized they'd turned into the same people, more or less, that their parents had fought in Europe.

So while I don't expect Arizona to suddenly come to Jesus and become a liberal state, or even to stop the crazy shit, at least in this one thing, they felt shitty enough to turf out the bastard that wrote SB1072.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 06, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
AND THEN THIS SHIT HAPPENED!


Quote
Gov. Jan Brewer signed into law late Friday a bill that bans the state or any local government from using public money to contract with an organization that includes abortions in its services.

The governor's signature on House Bill 2800 comes on the heels of her approval last month of a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks.

Brewer signed the measure while speaking at a reception for the Susan B. Anthony List, a group devoted to helping elect anti-abortion officials to public office.

"This is a common-sense law that tightens existing state regulations and closes loopholes in order to ensure that taxpayer dollars are not used to fund abortions, whether directly or indirectly," Brewer said in a statement. "By signing this measure into law, I stand with the majority of Americans who oppose the use of taxpayer funds for abortion."

HB 2800, sponsored by Rep. Justin Olson, R-Mesa, passed through the Legislature with Republican support.

The law aims to prevent contracts with or grants to any group that perform abortions that do not meet the federal requirements under Title 19 of the Social Security Act, which reimburses in cases of rape, incest or life endangerment. It also prioritizes how public money for family planning will be distributed -- such as to state-owned health-care centers and rural hospitals.

The law would not impact money that passes through the state Department of Health Services because the state does not provide money for family planning, an agency spokeswoman has said.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/05/04/20120504arizona-abortion-services-bill-signed-into-law.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on May 07, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
Okay, so...planned parenthood is effectively banned from AZ. Got it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 07, 2012, 01:34:11 AM
God forbid that taxpayers fund abortions! Or other reproductive health services!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 08:43:10 PM
Looks like the DoJ is making a move against Sheriff Joe.

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/46420125101544060757.pdf

QuoteFrom at least 2006 and continuing through the present, MCSO officers have unlawfully discriminated against Latinos and otherwise violated their constitutional rights through a broad range of police practices, including the following: Unconstitutional and unlawful targeting of Latinos, because of their race, color, or national origin, for pretextual traffic stops during routine enforcement activity, in connection with purported immigration and human smuggling law enforcement activities, and during purported crime suppression operations (suppression sweeps) Unconstitutional and unlawful detention of Latino drivers and passengers, because of their race, color, or national origin, to determine immigration status, when there is no lawful basis for the detention...

The Defendants' violations of the Constitution and laws of the United States are the product of a culture of disregard in MCSO for Latinos that starts at the top and pervades the organization. MCSO jail employees frequently refer to Latinos as "wetbacks," "Mexican bitches," and "stupid Mexicans." MCSO supervisors involved in immigration enforcement have expressed anti-Latino bias, in one instance widely distributing an email that included a photograph of a Chihuahua dog dressed in swimming gear with the caption "A Rare Photo of a Mexican Navy Seal." MCSO and Arpaio's words and actions set the tone and create a culture of bias that contributes to unlawful actions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 11, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2012, 08:43:10 PM
Looks like the DoJ is making a move against Sheriff Joe.

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/46420125101544060757.pdf

QuoteFrom at least 2006 and continuing through the present, MCSO officers have unlawfully discriminated against Latinos and otherwise violated their constitutional rights through a broad range of police practices, including the following: Unconstitutional and unlawful targeting of Latinos, because of their race, color, or national origin, for pretextual traffic stops during routine enforcement activity, in connection with purported immigration and human smuggling law enforcement activities, and during purported crime suppression operations (suppression sweeps) Unconstitutional and unlawful detention of Latino drivers and passengers, because of their race, color, or national origin, to determine immigration status, when there is no lawful basis for the detention...

The Defendants' violations of the Constitution and laws of the United States are the product of a culture of disregard in MCSO for Latinos that starts at the top and pervades the organization. MCSO jail employees frequently refer to Latinos as "wetbacks," "Mexican bitches," and "stupid Mexicans." MCSO supervisors involved in immigration enforcement have expressed anti-Latino bias, in one instance widely distributing an email that included a photograph of a Chihuahua dog dressed in swimming gear with the caption "A Rare Photo of a Mexican Navy Seal." MCSO and Arpaio's words and actions set the tone and create a culture of bias that contributes to unlawful actions.

WOOT!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 11, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
NO WAY. :D DELIGHTED DISBELIEF.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 11, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
I'm hoping for a strip-search thorough audit of every dime that man has ever touched.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 12, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 11, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
I'm hoping for a strip-search thorough audit of every dime that man has ever touched.

(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/d/d2/350x494px-LL-d2def7d4_cavity-search-gloved-hand.jpeg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 12, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 12, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 11, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
I'm hoping for a strip-search thorough audit of every dime that man has ever touched.

(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/d/d2/350x494px-LL-d2def7d4_cavity-search-gloved-hand.jpeg)

Perfect.   :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 12, 2012, 04:55:41 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2012, 08:43:10 PM
Looks like the DoJ is making a move against Sheriff Joe.

http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/resources/46420125101544060757.pdf

QuoteFrom at least 2006 and continuing through the present, MCSO officers have unlawfully discriminated against Latinos and otherwise violated their constitutional rights through a broad range of police practices, including the following: Unconstitutional and unlawful targeting of Latinos, because of their race, color, or national origin, for pretextual traffic stops during routine enforcement activity, in connection with purported immigration and human smuggling law enforcement activities, and during purported crime suppression operations (suppression sweeps) Unconstitutional and unlawful detention of Latino drivers and passengers, because of their race, color, or national origin, to determine immigration status, when there is no lawful basis for the detention...

The Defendants' violations of the Constitution and laws of the United States are the product of a culture of disregard in MCSO for Latinos that starts at the top and pervades the organization. MCSO jail employees frequently refer to Latinos as "wetbacks," "Mexican bitches," and "stupid Mexicans." MCSO supervisors involved in immigration enforcement have expressed anti-Latino bias, in one instance widely distributing an email that included a photograph of a Chihuahua dog dressed in swimming gear with the caption "A Rare Photo of a Mexican Navy Seal." MCSO and Arpaio's words and actions set the tone and create a culture of bias that contributes to unlawful actions.

'BOUT FUCKING TIME!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 19, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/18/arizona_official_suggests_obama_could_be_off_ballot.html#047993a

QuoteArizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R) told KFYI he's not entirely convinced President Obama was really born in the United States and suggested he could be knocked off the state's presidential ballot.

Said Bennett: "I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii—or at least I hope he was. But my responsibility as secretary of state is to make sure the ballots in Arizona are correct and that those people whose names are on the ballot have met the qualifications for the office they are seeking."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 19, 2012, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 19, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/18/arizona_official_suggests_obama_could_be_off_ballot.html#047993a

QuoteArizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R) told KFYI he's not entirely convinced President Obama was really born in the United States and suggested he could be knocked off the state's presidential ballot.

Said Bennett: "I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii—or at least I hope he was. But my responsibility as secretary of state is to make sure the ballots in Arizona are correct and that those people whose names are on the ballot have met the qualifications for the office they are seeking."

What the shit? That doesn't even make any sense.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on May 20, 2012, 12:13:59 AM
Sort of sounds like the "I'm not a bigot but...." to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on May 21, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
Jesus H. Fornication, people.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

It's seriously sad that this is still a fucking topic.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 21, 2012, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: navkat on May 21, 2012, 11:09:00 AM
Jesus H. Fornication, people.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

It's seriously sad that this is still a fucking topic.

BUT THAT'S NOT A REALLY REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE! 

:teabagger1:

LOOK!  IT SAYS SO IN THE INNERBUTTS!

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-birth-certificate-is.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 21, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
What I love about that link is:

a) it provides no proof whatsoever for its main assertion, and
b) Obama's father really is African.  As in, he came over from Kenya, to study.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: navkat on May 21, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 21, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
What I love about that link is:

a) it provides no proof whatsoever for its main assertion, and
b) Obama's father really is African.  As in, he came over from Kenya, to study.

The real humour in the situation being that Ken Bennett "isn't a birther" but in spite of a birth certificate posted to the whitehouse.gov website, finds that link (or something similar to it) plausible enough to knock the man off the AZ ballot.

"There'll be no Mexicans getting Arizona votes, this  year, I tell ya."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 21, 2012, 12:36:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 21, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
What I love about that link is:

a) it provides no proof whatsoever for its main assertion, and
b) Obama's father really is African.  As in, he came over from Kenya, to study.

People will believe what they WANT to believe in order to justify their own stupidity.  It makes my brain itch.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 22, 2012, 01:44:57 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Looks like the good folks at the Hawaii department of vital records have had it up to their eyeballs with this shit.

TPM filed a FOI request for the emails between them and Ken Bennett regarding him requesting that they verify the President's birth certificate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on May 22, 2012, 04:34:08 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 22, 2012, 01:44:57 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Looks like the good folks at the Hawaii department of vital records have had it up to their eyeballs with this shit.

TPM filed a FOI request for the emails between them and Ken Bennett regarding him requesting that they verify the President's birth certificate.

Quote from: Jill from HawaiiSUCK MY DICK, KEN!
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on May 22, 2012, 11:27:46 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 22, 2012, 04:34:08 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 22, 2012, 01:44:57 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_emails.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Looks like the good folks at the Hawaii department of vital records have had it up to their eyeballs with this shit.

TPM filed a FOI request for the emails between them and Ken Bennett regarding him requesting that they verify the President's birth certificate.

Quote from: Jill from HawaiiSUCK MY DICK, KEN!
:lulz:

:lol:

"You want paperwork to prove he's eligible?  Sure, soon as you prove you're eligible to have it..."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on May 22, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
 :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 22, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
One of TGRR's axioms was based directly off of Arizona.

61.  "Impossible" is a pretty stupid word to use when describing something that's already happened.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 23, 2012, 01:58:42 AM
Sheriff Joe's office has a new WANTED poster going around:

(http://ricketyclick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/holder-wanted-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on May 23, 2012, 02:16:10 AM
They know where he is.  They should just go get him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 23, 2012, 02:18:08 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on May 23, 2012, 02:16:10 AM
They know where he is.  They should just go get him.

I could say the same thing about the feds.  The complaint was filed a little while ago, and NOTHING has happened.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on June 01, 2012, 09:52:12 PM
I have been giggling lately over learning that not only does Sheriff Joe have a cold case "posse" investigating Obama's birth certificate, but his office is willing to spend taxpayer money to send them to Hawaii on an undercover wild-goose chase.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/hawaii-five-o-sheriff-joe-sends-detectives-to-honolulu/

Quote from: Wing Nut DailyIn a major development in his probe of Barack Obama's eligibility for Arizona's 2012 presidential ballot, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has dispatched his lead Cold Case Posse investigator and a deputy detective to Hawaii.
...
Zullo's investigation is a volunteer effort, but the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has sent him to Hawaii with an MCSO deputy detective for safety reasons and to act as a liaison between MCSO and local law enforcement.

WND reporter Jerome Corsi is embedded with the investigators in Hawaii with the provision that reporting during the trip be curtailed to protect the investigation.
:lol:

I so want to see this story made into a cheesy action/suspense movie making these guys out to be heroes and the stonewalling Hawaiian bureaucrats as the villains.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 01, 2012, 09:56:05 PM
QuoteI have been giggling lately over learning that not only does Sheriff Joe have a cold case "posse" investigating Obama's birth certificate, but his office is willing to spend taxpayer money to send them to Hawaii on an undercover wild-goose chase.

But we can't let poor people eat or get health insurance, no siree!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 02, 2012, 02:49:18 AM
Holy FUCK, dis fread.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on June 03, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/30/petition-demands-arizona-sec-of-state-ken-bennett-investigate-if-mitt-romney-is-a-unicorn/

Well, if he's going to investigate shit he doesn't believe just because people ASK him to...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 03, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
I'm not saying Mitt Romney is a unicorn, but it would be irresponsible not to speculate, given his personal history.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 03, 2012, 05:12:37 PM
It's possible that since his father is an undocumented Mexican, his mother might be La Chusa.
La Llorana might have been better for all of us.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 03, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
Oh shit! :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 06, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
OH, ARIZONA, HOW DO I LOVE THEE?

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/republican-candidates-machine-gun-video-vows

Bear in mind, this is the same state Gabby Giffords was shot in, not so long ago.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on June 06, 2012, 08:34:36 PM
QuoteRobles campaign manager Robert Davis pointed to the candidate's job as a state parole agent as an explanation for the violent imagery.

"Mr. Robles is in law enforcement, if you're not aware of that, so I think it's his way of just kind of sending our message," Davis told Politicker.

wut....
that totally makes it better
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 06, 2012, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 06, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
OH, ARIZONA, HOW DO I LOVE THEE?

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/republican-candidates-machine-gun-video-vows

Bear in mind, this is the same state Gabby Giffords was shot in, not so long ago.

No, this is in California.  Still lulzy, though. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 11, 2012, 02:06:49 AM
Cult! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/mysterious-yoga-retreat-ends-in-a-grisly-death.html?_r=4&ref=global-home
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on June 11, 2012, 02:32:35 AM
what. :lulz: That sounds like a movie premise, almost.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 11, 2012, 02:33:55 AM
A lot of stuff out there sounds like a movie premise.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 11, 2012, 04:14:01 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 11, 2012, 02:06:49 AM
Cult! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/mysterious-yoga-retreat-ends-in-a-grisly-death.html?_r=4&ref=global-home

Dude, creepy!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 02:24:57 PM
Goddamn it!  Jesse Kelly threw away a 20 point lead, and then lost by an additional 7% in the special election (to replace Gabby Giffords).  He bungled it with bad propaganda, and an inability to SHUT UP.

Plus side:  Ron Barbour is our new congressman.  He is sane.

Negative side:  I'm out $500.

I don't know whether to celebrate or SHIT MY PANCE IN RAGE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 02:31:15 PM
:walken:

or

:lolchix:  At my outraged co-workers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 13, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Jesse Kelly... lost?  :eek:  :aaa:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Jesse Kelly... lost?  :eek:  :aaa:

He got his ass KICKED.  By a no-name staffer for Giffords.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Jesse Kelly... lost?  :eek:  :aaa:

He got his ass KICKED.  By a no-name staffer for Giffords.   :lulz:

Of course, he can try again in November...But he's lost twice.  No way is Jim Click gonna throw more money at him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 13, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
I for one am shocked at this turn of events.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
I for one am shocked at this turn of events.

So am I.  I feel like the neighbor's chihuahua just walked up and started singing Lady Gaga tunes to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 13, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Right? For Kelly, I imagine it's a bit more like how the neighbor's Chihuahua feels when the cat rapes it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Right? For Kelly, I imagine it's a bit more like how the neighbor's Chihuahua feels when the cat rapes it.

IF THE CHIHUAHUA DIDN'T LIKE IT, IT WOULD WEAR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE DOGGIE SWEATERS AND NOT BE A TEASE.

I told the neighbor the same thing, but she only swore at me and threw her drink over the wall.  Damn near brained me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 13, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Right? For Kelly, I imagine it's a bit more like how the neighbor's Chihuahua feels when the cat rapes it.

IF THE CHIHUAHUA DIDN'T LIKE IT, IT WOULD WEAR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE DOGGIE SWEATERS AND NOT BE A TEASE.

I told the neighbor the same thing, but she only swore at me and threw her drink over the wall.  Damn near brained me.

I saw a Chihuahua just yesterday in a pink shirt and no pants. What do they EXPECT?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 13, 2012, 11:28:53 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 14, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 13, 2012, 07:00:39 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 13, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Right? For Kelly, I imagine it's a bit more like how the neighbor's Chihuahua feels when the cat rapes it.

IF THE CHIHUAHUA DIDN'T LIKE IT, IT WOULD WEAR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE DOGGIE SWEATERS AND NOT BE A TEASE.

I told the neighbor the same thing, but she only swore at me and threw her drink over the wall.  Damn near brained me.

hey, its hard enough to be a small dog without chihuahua-shaming the poor thing! the only thing that causes rape is that damned bourbon swilling cat!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on June 16, 2012, 01:38:00 AM
Who spiked the AZ water supply with some moral fortitude?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/15/mexican-restaurants-library-decline-to-host-fundraiser-for-papers-please-az-lawmaker/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 16, 2012, 02:10:45 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 16, 2012, 01:38:00 AM
Who spiked the AZ water supply with some moral fortitude?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/15/mexican-restaurants-library-decline-to-host-fundraiser-for-papers-please-az-lawmaker/


"Make no mistake, I am undeterred by a few individuals who are motivated by hatred in lieu of discussing the issues."
\
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Russell-Pearce-official-615x345.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 16, 2012, 02:16:22 AM
Someone please punch this fat bastard! :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 16, 2012, 05:11:02 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 16, 2012, 02:10:45 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 16, 2012, 01:38:00 AM
Who spiked the AZ water supply with some moral fortitude?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/15/mexican-restaurants-library-decline-to-host-fundraiser-for-papers-please-az-lawmaker/


"Make no mistake, I am undeterred by a few individuals who are motivated by hatred in lieu of discussing the issues."
\
(http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Russell-Pearce-official-615x345.png)

And everybody thought the squid spooge thing was gross.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 16, 2012, 05:14:13 AM
Dude.  In your mind's eye, make his face skinnier.  WHO THE FUCK IS IT? 

Oh my god.  IT'S EVIL CLINT EASTWOOD. SHIT.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.

Pima country won't be enforcing any of it, anyway.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 25, 2012, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.

Pima country won't be enforcing any of it, anyway.

This is not surprising. You people hate America. Up here where Sheriff Joe is King, we know how to protect LIBERTY.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.

Pima country won't be enforcing any of it, anyway.

This is not surprising. You people hate America. Up here where Sheriff Joe is King, we know how to protect LIBERTY.

If Sheriff Joe goes down on those civil rights violations, Brewer is going to have to find another Nazi to fellate quickly, or Terry Goddard is going to kick her ass in the next election.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2012, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.

Pima country won't be enforcing any of it, anyway.

This is not surprising. You people hate America. Up here where Sheriff Joe is King, we know how to protect LIBERTY.

If Sheriff Joe goes down on those civil rights violations, Brewer is going to have to find another Nazi to fellate quickly, or Terry Goddard is going to kick her ass in the next election.

Everyone I've talked to thinks the DOJ is on a witch hunt. I don't think anything can take Joe down, except maybe cardiopulmonary disease. Even if he loses the suit, nothing will happen. The county will cough up the dough, and he'll win his election.

Also, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:12:44 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 25, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 25, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
Supreme Court: Take SB1070 And Shove It* Up your Ass, Arizona.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Parts of the law killed:
- Making it a State offense to fail to register as an Illegal Immigrant with the Federal Government.
- Making it a State offense to seek work or hold a job without citizenship or other legal right to work.
- Making it a State offense to not carry documentation proving your citizenship status.

Parts of the law upheld:
- Police are required to check citizenship status of anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally, during an otherwise routine stop. * WITH THE WARNING that such status checks may not delay the release of anyone who would otherwise be free to go. So they can't pull you over, claim you look "illegal," and toss you in jail for a week while they check. The court specifically said this provision of the law can be challenged again.

Pima country won't be enforcing any of it, anyway.

This is not surprising. You people hate America. Up here where Sheriff Joe is King, we know how to protect LIBERTY.

If Sheriff Joe goes down on those civil rights violations, Brewer is going to have to find another Nazi to fellate quickly, or Terry Goddard is going to kick her ass in the next election.

Everyone I've talked to thinks the DOJ is on a witch hunt. I don't think anything can take Joe down, except maybe cardiopulmonary disease. Even if he loses the suit, nothing will happen. The county will cough up the dough, and he'll win his election.

Also, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?

I've read the brief, it's posted here.  It's being remanded to federal court as well.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 26, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
QuoteAlso, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?

NO!  Surely you jest! :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 26, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
QuoteAlso, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?

NO!  Surely you jest! :lulz:

It's the whole area really. FFS Glendale just raised property taxes by 36 PER-FUCKING-CENT so they could stay in the "Major League Sports" club by keeping the Coyotes around. Oh, sure, the taxes would have gone up "anyway," to pay for the stadium where NOBODY GOES to watch a sport NOBODY WATCHES, whether the Coyotes stayed or went. Just goes to show you, something about the 10 or 15 degree heat difference between Tucson and Phoenix results in a lot of brain damage.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 26, 2012, 01:09:15 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 26, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
QuoteAlso, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?

NO!  Surely you jest! :lulz:

It's the whole area really. FFS Glendale just raised property taxes by 36 PER-FUCKING-CENT so they could stay in the "Major League Sports" club by keeping the Coyotes around. Oh, sure, the taxes would have gone up "anyway," to pay for the stadium where NOBODY GOES to watch a sport NOBODY WATCHES, whether the Coyotes stayed or went. Just goes to show you, something about the 10 or 15 degree heat difference between Tucson and Phoenix results in a lot of brain damage.

Dude, nobody, and I mean nobody was meant to live in a desert.  I've written about it before, I've got another thing brewing in my head.  The only difference between Phoenix and Tucson is the people and their expectations, really.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 01:17:14 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on June 26, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
QuoteAlso, have you ever noticed that Phoenix is really, really fucking full of itself?

NO!  Surely you jest! :lulz:

It's the whole area really. FFS Glendale just raised property taxes by 36 PER-FUCKING-CENT so they could stay in the "Major League Sports" club by keeping the Coyotes around. Oh, sure, the taxes would have gone up "anyway," to pay for the stadium where NOBODY GOES to watch a sport NOBODY WATCHES, whether the Coyotes stayed or went. Just goes to show you, something about the 10 or 15 degree heat difference between Tucson and Phoenix results in a lot of brain damage.

Glendale is just trying to capture Buckeye's title as "Newest ghost town".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 26, 2012, 02:34:47 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

The solution for this is clear:  Buy several gallons of green paint.  Apply to lawn.

Alternatively, astroturf.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on June 26, 2012, 02:45:01 AM
PAINT! My vote is paint!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?
One page back. Not much spagging though.

But I DO think it's hilarious that the Supreme Court left the "show me your papers" provision intact, and Obama immediately responded with "that's fine. We just won't return any phone calls from AZ police. Have fun with that provision guys!" and canceled AZ's enforcement agreements with ICE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?
One page back. Not much spagging though.

But I DO think it's hilarious that the Supreme Court left the "show me your papers" provision intact, and Obama immediately responded with "that's fine. We just won't return any phone calls from AZ police. Have fun with that provision guys!" and canceled AZ's enforcement agreements with ICE.

Obama is the king of the trolls. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 26, 2012, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?
One page back. Not much spagging though.

But I DO think it's hilarious that the Supreme Court left the "show me your papers" provision intact, and Obama immediately responded with "that's fine. We just won't return any phone calls from AZ police. Have fun with that provision guys!" and canceled AZ's enforcement agreements with ICE.

Obama is the king of the trolls. 

Indeed. Hence my special Election 2012 edition avatar.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?
One page back. Not much spagging though.

But I DO think it's hilarious that the Supreme Court left the "show me your papers" provision intact, and Obama immediately responded with "that's fine. We just won't return any phone calls from AZ police. Have fun with that provision guys!" and canceled AZ's enforcement agreements with ICE.

Obama is the king of the trolls.

HUH

          i never considered that. but wouldn't he be the boy-prince of trolls. i love it when cain calls him that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 27, 2012, 03:05:52 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/26/506191/justice-scalia-cites-pro-slavery-laws-excluding-freed-blacks-to-justify-his-anti-immigrant-opinion/?mobile=nc

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on June 27, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 27, 2012, 03:05:52 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on June 26, 2012, 10:30:28 PM


ALRIGHT ALREADY,

          where's the spagging out over the arizona ruling?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/26/506191/justice-scalia-cites-pro-slavery-laws-excluding-freed-blacks-to-justify-his-anti-immigrant-opinion/?mobile=nc

OMG.  I so needed this.  I love you forever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
Didn't Sheriff Joe arrest a six year old for being an illegal immigrant on the same day as Obama announced that he was ordering a halt on deportations of young undocumented immigrants who do not pose a risk to national security?

Why yes, yes he did (http://www.businessinsider.com/sheriff-joe-arrests-six-year-old-girl-suspected-illegal-immigration-obama-2012-6).

Clearly that six year old was stealing American jobs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:15:04 PM
Didn't Sheriff Joe arrest a six year old for being an illegal immigrant on the same day as Obama announced that he was ordering a halt on deportations of young undocumented immigrants who do not pose a risk to national security?

Why yes, yes he did (http://www.businessinsider.com/sheriff-joe-arrests-six-year-old-girl-suspected-illegal-immigration-obama-2012-6).

Clearly that six year old was stealing American jobs.

Sheriff Joe has always enjoyed putting children into the system.  I think he gets off on the panic of the parents.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
Well, that's probably the most charitable explanation for his predilection for taking children into the system, given the control freakery/sexual humiliation aspect that a lot of policing seems to have nowadays.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
Well, that's probably the most charitable explanation for his predilection for taking children into the system, given the control freakery/sexual humiliation aspect that a lot of policing seems to have nowadays.

Sheriff Joe isn't that kind of pervert.  He gets off on raw, demonstrated power of life and death over people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Well I certainly hope not, for the sake of the children.  It's just my experience that people who tend to love those kind of demonstrations of power often get off on them in a sexualised way too.  Not always, but enough to suggest a general correlation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 27, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Well I certainly hope not, for the sake of the children.  It's just my experience that people who tend to love those kind of demonstrations of power often get off on them in a sexualised way too.  Not always, but enough to suggest a general correlation.

The idea of Joe Arpaio getting off on anything in a sexualized way is too much for my circuits to handle.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Well I certainly hope not, for the sake of the children.  It's just my experience that people who tend to love those kind of demonstrations of power often get off on them in a sexualised way too.  Not always, but enough to suggest a general correlation.

Oh, no argument there.  But I don't think so, in this particular case.

Sheriff Joe is a whole different ball of wax.  He's outright evil...There's no bad wiring in there, like you get with some cops, Catholic priests, or whatever.  He just likes to have people arrested & beaten.  It's not even a Hispanic thing.  He's just as much a Nazi to White people that fall into his clutches.  The illegals business is just him ensuring that he'll have an endless supply of people to fuck with in his little camp in Maricopa County.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 27, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
The idea of Joe Arpaio getting off on anything in a sexualized way is too much for my circuits to handle.

I think these thoughts, so you don't have to.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Oh, no argument there.  But I don't think so, in this particular case.

Sheriff Joe is a whole different ball of wax.  He's outright evil...There's no bad wiring in there, like you get with some cops, Catholic priests, or whatever.  He just likes to have people arrested & beaten.  It's not even a Hispanic thing.  He's just as much a Nazi to White people that fall into his clutches.  The illegals business is just him ensuring that he'll have an endless supply of people to fuck with in his little camp in Maricopa County.

Yeah, what you say fits with the available data.  I just thought I should throw it out there, as a possibility, and see if it had legs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 27, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
The idea of Joe Arpaio getting off on anything in a sexualized way is too much for my circuits to handle.

I think these thoughts, so you don't have to.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Oh, no argument there.  But I don't think so, in this particular case.

Sheriff Joe is a whole different ball of wax.  He's outright evil...There's no bad wiring in there, like you get with some cops, Catholic priests, or whatever.  He just likes to have people arrested & beaten.  It's not even a Hispanic thing.  He's just as much a Nazi to White people that fall into his clutches.  The illegals business is just him ensuring that he'll have an endless supply of people to fuck with in his little camp in Maricopa County.

Yeah, what you say fits with the available data.  I just thought I should throw it out there, as a possibility, and see if it had legs.

I do not exaggerate when I say that Sheriff Joe would have made a very cheerful concentration camp commandant in Nazi Germany.  It's what he is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 28, 2012, 01:34:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 27, 2012, 06:50:15 PM
Quote from: v3x on June 27, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
The idea of Joe Arpaio getting off on anything in a sexualized way is too much for my circuits to handle.

I think these thoughts, so you don't have to.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 27, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Oh, no argument there.  But I don't think so, in this particular case.

Sheriff Joe is a whole different ball of wax.  He's outright evil...There's no bad wiring in there, like you get with some cops, Catholic priests, or whatever.  He just likes to have people arrested & beaten.  It's not even a Hispanic thing.  He's just as much a Nazi to White people that fall into his clutches.  The illegals business is just him ensuring that he'll have an endless supply of people to fuck with in his little camp in Maricopa County.

Sex or no sex, I want to puke.
Yeah, what you say fits with the available data.  I just thought I should throw it out there, as a possibility, and see if it had legs.

I do not exaggerate when I say that Sheriff Joe would have made a very cheerful concentration camp commandant in Nazi Germany.  It's what he is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 30, 2012, 11:28:33 PM
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2012/06/joe_arpaio_owned_by_duke_st_ro.php
One of his facebook trolls made the Phoenix paper.  :lulz:
Bet we have better trolls here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before someone either caps his fat, disgusting ass, or some filth he's perpetrated comes back to bite him in the ass in some other way. The sooner the better. That piece of shit needs to drown in a puddle of his own vomit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 01, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before someone either caps his fat, disgusting ass, or some filth he's perpetrated comes back to bite him in the ass in some other way. The sooner the better. That piece of shit needs to drown in a puddle of his own vomit.

Yes.

Of course then his shitneck disciples will canonize him as a martyr. Small price to pay, though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 01, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before someone either caps his fat, disgusting ass, or some filth he's perpetrated comes back to bite him in the ass in some other way. The sooner the better. That piece of shit needs to drown in a puddle of his own vomit.

Yes.

Of course then his shitneck disciples will canonize him as a martyr. Small price to pay, though.

Not if, as is most likely, the filth he's perpetrated turns out to be some kind of despicable sex scandal.

It seems like every single one of these kinds of filth who get off on hurting or terrorizing other people also express their sadism sexually. It'll turn out that he's raping pregnant teenage immigrant girls or something, and then his hero-worshiping wannabe-Gestapo toadies will be so embarrassed they'll pretend he never existed.

Mark my words.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 01, 2012, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on July 01, 2012, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before someone either caps his fat, disgusting ass, or some filth he's perpetrated comes back to bite him in the ass in some other way. The sooner the better. That piece of shit needs to drown in a puddle of his own vomit.

Yes.

Of course then his shitneck disciples will canonize him as a martyr. Small price to pay, though.

Not if, as is most likely, the filth he's perpetrated turns out to be some kind of despicable sex scandal.

It seems like every single one of these kinds of filth who get off on hurting or terrorizing other people also express their sadism sexually. It'll turn out that he's raping pregnant teenage immigrant girls or something, and then his hero-worshiping wannabe-Gestapo toadies will be so embarrassed they'll pretend he never existed.

Mark my words.

Damn...that's right.

July 1, 2012: Nigel called it. Remember that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM


GO FIGURE

          indiana would respond to the feds with this http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/13517720-418/indiana-sends-congress-illegal-immigration-tab.html

QUOTE:

          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

HOW

          to they account for these numbers?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 01, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM


GO FIGURE

          indiana would respond to the feds with this http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/13517720-418/indiana-sends-congress-illegal-immigration-tab.html

QUOTE:

          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

HOW

          to they account for these numbers?

That's a good question, and it's also curious that they have calculated cost but not income, as it's well-documented that "illegal" residents bring states more income than they cost them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM


GO FIGURE

          indiana would respond to the feds with this http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/13517720-418/indiana-sends-congress-illegal-immigration-tab.html

QUOTE:

          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

HOW

          to they account for these numbers?

That's a good question, and it's also curious that they have calculated cost but not income, as it's well-documented that "illegal" residents bring states more income than they cost them.

SAME THING!

          how does one track what's undocumented?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 02, 2012, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

How much have perfectly legal bankers caused them?

DE'RE TAKKING YER JERRRRRBS!
\
:bankster:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on July 02, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
I'm perfectly fine with a law that mandates the deportation of anyone suspected of being a banker.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 02, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM


GO FIGURE

          indiana would respond to the feds with this http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/13517720-418/indiana-sends-congress-illegal-immigration-tab.html

QUOTE:

          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

HOW

          to they account for these numbers?

That's a good question, and it's also curious that they have calculated cost but not income, as it's well-documented that "illegal" residents bring states more income than they cost them.

SAME THING!

          how does one track what's undocumented?

It's surprisingly easy to track income taxes from undocumented immigrants, for two reasons; one, the most common form of social security fraud is using a stolen number to pay taxes, and two, the IRS has a form that a surprisingly high number of undocumented resident workers voluntarily use to pay taxes with because they want to be participants in the American system. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/news/31199931_1_residency-and-taxpaying-illegal-immigrants-taxation-and-economic-policy http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too

That's the direct income; it's harder to quantify the indirect income they generate by keeping afloat certain industries that are dependent on their labor (check out the farm labor crises in Georgia and Kansas), and also by stimulating our economy by being consumers. Now that immigration flow has reversed, unless something happens to replace it we're going to start seeing some direct and unpleasant economic effects of population decline on an economy that is structured on growth.

As an aside, were you aware that, contrary to popular belief among the pundit crowd, most undocumented residents didn't get here by sneaking across the border, but came on student, travel, or work visas, and just didn't leave after they expired?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert? You yanks have some weird property laws. Over here as long as your garden isn't covered in rubbish you don't have any issues. Well, except for trees that cut out masses of light, but that's kinda understandable with the overcast nature of this island. Your neighbour has a bunch of leylandi and bang, rickets.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 02, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pixie on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert?

America.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on July 03, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on July 02, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pixie on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert?

America.

Importing your environment is good for the economy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 03, 2012, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: Elder Iptuous on July 03, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on July 02, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pixie on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert?

America.

Importing your environment Running a sprinkler 24/7 to show you're not like those people walking is good for the economy.


There.  NOW it's fixed.

And we're against that sort of thing, by the way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 03, 2012, 08:54:25 PM
Whoops!  Fucking edit button is right next to the quote button.

Sorry.   :oops:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 03, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
It's all good.

I'm starting to hear references to those people on bicycles too.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on July 03, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on July 02, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pixie on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert?

America.
"America" - a descriptor an entire fucking retarded mindset since the Pilgrims hijacked the Mayflower
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on July 03, 2012, 11:44:48 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on July 04, 2012, 12:36:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on July 03, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on July 02, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Pixie on July 02, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 26, 2012, 02:48:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on June 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on June 26, 2012, 02:15:47 AM
I like hockey. To the point I'll actually watch it on TV. But I'm trying to figure out why you'd have a team in the desert. It's about as ridiculous as green lawns in the desert, sfaiac.

Speaking of which, the HOA dinged me $25 last week because my grass isn't green enough.

That's a bargain.  The amount of water you'd need to keep it green would run you about $90.

Move down to Tucson.  We don't have lawns.  Well, a few people do, and we laugh at them openly.

what? do they not realise that they live in a goddamn desert?

America.
"America" - a descriptor an entire fucking retarded mindset since the Pilgrims hijacked the Mayflower

they sailed from my hometown before they got to Plymouth. I think I win!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on July 06, 2012, 12:10:29 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 02, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 01, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 01, 2012, 09:01:47 PM


GO FIGURE

          indiana would respond to the feds with this http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/13517720-418/indiana-sends-congress-illegal-immigration-tab.html

QUOTE:

          INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

HOW

          to they account for these numbers?

That's a good question, and it's also curious that they have calculated cost but not income, as it's well-documented that "illegal" residents bring states more income than they cost them.

SAME THING!

          how does one track what's undocumented?

It's surprisingly easy to track income taxes from undocumented immigrants, for two reasons; one, the most common form of social security fraud is using a stolen number to pay taxes, and two, the IRS has a form that a surprisingly high number of undocumented resident workers voluntarily use to pay taxes with because they want to be participants in the American system. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/news/31199931_1_residency-and-taxpaying-illegal-immigrants-taxation-and-economic-policy http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/unauthorized-immigrants-pay-taxes-too

That's the direct income; it's harder to quantify the indirect income they generate by keeping afloat certain industries that are dependent on their labor (check out the farm labor crises in Georgia and Kansas), and also by stimulating our economy by being consumers. Now that immigration flow has reversed, unless something happens to replace it we're going to start seeing some direct and unpleasant economic effects of population decline on an economy that is structured on growth.

As an aside, were you aware that, contrary to popular belief among the pundit crowd, most undocumented residents didn't get here by sneaking across the border, but came on student, travel, or work visas, and just didn't leave after they expired?

THANKS, INTERWEBS DEMONESS,

          sorry it took so long for me to get to these, but every time i get to the bar where i can use their wifi, you (nigel) take over my laptop thing (THANK YOU ALTY!!! x 1000000000000000) and burn the battery out!!

ON THE

          economic end of revenue, these articles present some serious mismanagement or WTF. i still have lots of questions and we need to powow. also, as we were discussing the cause and effect occurrence of U.S. historical measures addressing immigration laws, we're experiencing one of those periods, it would seem (!?). what these articles say is that even more tax paying u.s. residents than we knew about are contributing to revenue, yet they're receiving EVEN LESS of the benefits of the average U.S. citizen. which is grounds for a revolution itself. what none of these articles focus on, is the fact that everyone really is stressing out about jobs and work availability, yet somewhere in that gap between the I.R.S. and all the rest of federal f$ckery, we have no foundational viewpoint for production/ real jobs vs. people needing them. those "undocumented" workers are even more voices silenced about how the feds are using that revenue.

THESE ARTICLES

          however, don't tell me how indiana is collecting this info, if in fact the I.R.S. is somehow above sharing their revenue info outside of their department interest.

SO WHERE

          on the one hand, i still have lots of questions, on the other, i feel i need a typewriter with surface to air missile capability.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 06, 2012, 07:38:06 AM
YOU ARE WELCOME

OMG I AM GOING TO BED NOW SEE YOU TOMORROW.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on July 08, 2012, 08:13:35 AM
Arizona's Only Latino Governor Detained by Border Patrol (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/07/arizonas-only-latino-governor-detained-by-the-border-patrol/?fb_comment_id=fbc_407352795967786_4583426_407363269300072)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 08, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: v3x on July 08, 2012, 08:13:35 AM
Arizona's Only Latino Governor Detained by Border Patrol (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/07/arizonas-only-latino-governor-detained-by-the-border-patrol/?fb_comment_id=fbc_407352795967786_4583426_407363269300072)

WOWWWWWWWWW.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on July 08, 2012, 11:23:58 PM


http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/07/08/jan-brewer-asks-supreme-court-strip-benefits-same-sex-partners

          Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling which provides  domestic-partner benefits to same-sex partners of state employees.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 08, 2012, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 08, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: v3x on July 08, 2012, 08:13:35 AM
Arizona's Only Latino Governor Detained by Border Patrol (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/07/arizonas-only-latino-governor-detained-by-the-border-patrol/?fb_comment_id=fbc_407352795967786_4583426_407363269300072)

WOWWWWWWWWW.

So what happens now? Ritual purge, a few guys fired then business as usual?  :x

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on July 09, 2012, 12:56:11 AM
If that. I expect some sort of half-hearted apology and vague promises that never come to fruition.
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 08, 2012, 11:23:58 PM


http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/07/08/jan-brewer-asks-supreme-court-strip-benefits-same-sex-partners

          Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling which provides  domestic-partner benefits to same-sex partners of state employees.
I have lost the ability to can with that woman.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: E.O.T. on July 09, 2012, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on July 09, 2012, 12:56:11 AM
If that. I expect some sort of half-hearted apology and vague promises that never come to fruition.
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 08, 2012, 11:23:58 PM


http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/07/08/jan-brewer-asks-supreme-court-strip-benefits-same-sex-partners

          Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling which provides  domestic-partner benefits to same-sex partners of state employees.
I have lost the ability to can with that woman.

I WANT TO MARRY HER

          because i'm convinced she's actually quentin crisp pulling off one of the world's top five trolls, successfully. and she's beautiful. which gives quentin away, right there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 09, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 09, 2012, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on July 09, 2012, 12:56:11 AM
If that. I expect some sort of half-hearted apology and vague promises that never come to fruition.
Quote from: E.O.T. on July 08, 2012, 11:23:58 PM


http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/07/08/jan-brewer-asks-supreme-court-strip-benefits-same-sex-partners

          Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling which provides  domestic-partner benefits to same-sex partners of state employees.
I have lost the ability to can with that woman.

I WANT TO MARRY HER

          because i'm convinced she's actually quentin crisp pulling off one of the world's top five trolls, successfully. and she's beautiful. which gives quentin away, right there.

:lulz: That certainly makes me view her in a different light.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: inode_buddha on July 22, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says

Sheriff Joe says its fraudulent. I wonder if he can prove it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 22, 2012, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: inode_buddha on July 22, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says

Sheriff Joe says its fraudulent. I wonder if he can prove it?

Is he drifting into dementia, or does he really think that if he just keeps insisting, someone will believe him?  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 23, 2012, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 22, 2012, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: inode_buddha on July 22, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says

Sheriff Joe says its fraudulent. I wonder if he can prove it?

Is he drifting into dementia, or does he really think that if he just keeps insisting, someone will believe him?  :lulz:

Neither.  He's pandering to the Terrified White People Party.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: inode_buddha on July 23, 2012, 02:53:22 AM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on July 22, 2012, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: inode_buddha on July 22, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/obama-birth-record-definitely-fraudulent-sheriff-joe-arpaio-says

Sheriff Joe says its fraudulent. I wonder if he can prove it?

Is he drifting into dementia, or does he really think that if he just keeps insisting, someone will believe him?  :lulz:

Unfortunately I know of many who would believe him regardless. The sort of people who will refuse to believe the evidence no matter what -"there must be something wrong with it" and the logical fallacies of "purity" etc etc... :vom:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 26, 2012, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

I can't even feel the horror in horrormirth anymore.
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Suu on August 27, 2012, 03:30:38 AM
So, in theory, because life begins with ovulation and not conception, any woman having her natural menses would be considered having an abortion under this law. Still legal, I mean, if you were on time and shedding your lining 2 weeks post-ovulation, but STILL.

Curious as to how this would effect hormonal BCPs that stop ovulation.

Also: WTFARIZONA
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on August 27, 2012, 03:50:36 AM
Quote from: Suu on August 27, 2012, 03:30:38 AM
So, in theory, because life begins with ovulation and not conception, any woman having her natural menses would be considered having an abortion under this law. Still legal, I mean, if you were on time and shedding your lining 2 weeks post-ovulation, but STILL.

Curious as to how this would effect hormonal BCPs that stop ovulation.

Also: WTFARIZONA

Not quite...

See, if you're considered pregnant, AND they manage to outlaw abortion, ANY ACTION you take which might lead to miscarrying a baby, unless you're actively on your period, AND willing to prove it on the spot, is attempted murder.  So... unless you're willing to let the bartender check your underpants, you're done drinking.  Don't even THINK about martial arts. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on August 27, 2012, 04:16:23 AM
:horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 04:48:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

Yeah, it's goddamn special. As fuck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 04:49:25 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

If I were in Arizona, I would probably call that feeling "shock".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on August 27, 2012, 04:56:57 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

Too true.  All you have to do is accept that God made you the way you are, an incubator with the wonderful ability to fetch a damn sammich and open beer for the men tasked with putting up with your shit, you'll be much happier.  :vom:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 27, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

:( for womens in Arizona.


I'm so so so so so glad I never moved there.   Freeky was there much in the way of protest and activism leading up to this? 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 27, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

:( for womens in Arizona.


I'm so so so so so glad I never moved there.   Freeky was there much in the way of protest and activism leading up to this?

No.  Unless you're asking about the right wing freaks.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Oh, and...SUCK IT, FLORIDA!  WE OWN THIS GAME!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 27, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 27, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

:( for womens in Arizona.
I'm so so so so so glad I never moved there.   Freeky was there much in the way of protest and activism leading up to this?

No. Even my lukewarm attempts at posting all the articles I found to Facebook didnt raise any kind of reaction. I think nobody cares anymore, except people it isn't happening to.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 27, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?

I lost the baby. :cry:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?

I lost the baby. :cry:

If I were in Arizona, I'd be having a miscarriage right now! I've had approximately 312 "Arizona miscarriages" since my first one at age 13.

Not to mention that day after tomorrow I'm having a pre-emptive abortion that will abort all of my potential fetuses every month forever.

If I were in Arizona I would probably have to be jailed for deliberately pre-emptively aborting my fetus by not getting pregnant. It's a good thing we have responsible lawmakers looking out for teh babbys!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 27, 2012, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?

I lost the baby. :cry:

If I were in Arizona, I'd be having a miscarriage right now! I've had approximately 312 "Arizona miscarriages" since my first one at age 13.

Not to mention that day after tomorrow I'm having a pre-emptive abortion that will abort all of my potential fetuses every month forever.

If I were in Arizona I would probably have to be jailed for deliberately pre-emptively aborting my fetus by not getting pregnant. It's a good thing we have responsible lawmakers looking out for teh babbys!

I know you hate me but my wife thinks that "Arizona Miscarriage" is the best and most hilarious possible term for her period, and I'd like to thank you for bringing a smile to her face during this trying time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 27, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?

I lost the baby. :cry:

If I were in Arizona, I'd be having a miscarriage right now! I've had approximately 312 "Arizona miscarriages" since my first one at age 13.

Not to mention that day after tomorrow I'm having a pre-emptive abortion that will abort all of my potential fetuses every month forever.

If I were in Arizona I would probably have to be jailed for deliberately pre-emptively aborting my fetus by not getting pregnant. It's a good thing we have responsible lawmakers looking out for teh babbys!

Yes indeed! Thank goodness for our wise lawmakers who know what is best for us! And shame ob you, you harlot, for preemptively aborting all of your future fetuses. You're a murderer, that's what you are!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 27, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

:( for womens in Arizona.
I'm so so so so so glad I never moved there.   Freeky was there much in the way of protest and activism leading up to this?

No. Even my lukewarm attempts at posting all the articles I found to Facebook didnt raise any kind of reaction. I think nobody cares anymore, except people it isn't happening to.

ESPECIALLY the people it's to whom it is happening.

This bill, for example, was written by a woman.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on August 27, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
I don't quite understand that. I suppose she thinks none of this can ever touch her or hers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 27, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
I don't quite understand that. I suppose she thinks none of this can ever touch her or hers.

She's pandering, of course.  Being a woman writing that legislation gives her extra credibility among teabillies, in the same manner that Phyllis Schafly had extra credibility with the Reagan crowd for spending her life on the lecture circuit, explaining why women belong in the home.

The other thing you have to remember, Garbo, is that these people - the AZ teabillies - are actually evil...With a small "e", which is somehow worse.  For them, life is about telling people what they can and cannot do, with draconian punishments for whomever doesn't agree.  There's a disconnect there, where they believe they are merely showin' the hippies what fer, and not considering - in many cases not CARING - that they're basically turning Arizona into Afghanistan Lite.

What kind of person spends their whole life desperately trying to control everyone elses' behavior?  Evil, crazy people, that's who.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 06:23:43 PM
Another note:  We prefer to think of it as "innovation". Our republicans and teabillies are constantly working to find new and better ways to fuck over the female segment of the population.

And they'd better, because there are Pushtun tribes out there that are shitting on women faster and cheaper than they are, and if they want to stay competitive in that market, they have to become more efficient.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 27, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
So far I've convinced 3 of my female friends that they should inundate state welfare offices with demands for pregnancy benefits every 2 weeks.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 27, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
So far I've convinced 3 of my female friends that they should inundate state welfare offices with demands for pregnancy benefits every 2 weeks.

Problem:  Bureaucrats will simply pitch those, as it is the safest thing to do.

Instead, your friends should write the author of this bill and ask her why she's working while she's pregnant.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on August 28, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: Pixie on August 27, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:51:03 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pregnancy-begins-2-weeks-before-conception-now-the-law-in-arizona/politics/2012/04/13/37993

:kingmeh:  Similarly to v3x, I can't feel the horror anymore.  But there's no mirth in there, either.

Of course you can't feel horror.  This is now part of the mainstream cultural belief set.  It is no longer something you COULDN'T expect.

Yeah, I guess so. 

I kind of feel like crying, but it's mostly out of resignation over not being a legal person.

Shhh, little lady... don't say things like that, you'll alienate the menfolk!

:( for womens in Arizona.
I'm so so so so so glad I never moved there.   Freeky was there much in the way of protest and activism leading up to this?

No. Even my lukewarm attempts at posting all the articles I found to Facebook didnt raise any kind of reaction. I think nobody cares anymore, except people it isn't happening to.

This makes me sad. Reproductive rights are a keystone to women's financial independence, especially in the US where there is less to no safety net compared with Europe. Do you have people who act as escorts at abortion clinics in AZ? Those and student organisations would be a good place to start finding like minds in order to organise. In Michigan when the Democrat lady got shut up for saying vagina they had international media coverage, and Eve Ensler, the writer of the Vagina Monologues, doing a performance of said play ON THE STATE LEGISLATORS STEPS!

Are there any feminist/pro choice groups active in your area? I find it hard to believe that there are No Feminists In Arizona... or am I wishful thinking? Do any of the Uni's and colleges have Women's Studies courses? Facebook is a good tool for activisty types to co-ordinate, but it only seldom gets the uninitiated into activism...

What kind of circumstances would it take for this to be struck down by a court higher than the state level? Would it be covered under Title IX? (do I have the particular document/amendment name right?).

If they want to go the way of Roe Vs Wade being overturned, it'll just mean more dead women, and babies. Because that's all illegal abortion does, is kill women.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on August 28, 2012, 05:43:41 AM
Blah. I just got home from class, and I don't have any answers to your questions even if I weren't bone tired from this legal clusterfuck. Quote this post so I remember to get back to this in the morning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on August 28, 2012, 05:47:33 AM
So, this shiny thing on my ring finger is weird.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 28, 2012, 08:08:30 AM
Quote from: Guru Qu1x073 on August 28, 2012, 05:47:33 AM
So, this shiny thing on my ring finger is weird.

Aw. :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 28, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
But it's SHINEY!

Freeky, I had some guy on facebook today sticking up for Paul Ryan saying "rape is just a method of conception" and life is sacred, blah blah blah. I told him I wasn't even going to do the fetus argument this time since the obvious precaution in a rape case would be a morning after pill, and I posted a picture of a zygote. I said if it came down between "killing" a zygote and forcing my daughter to carry a rape baby to term, the zygote's outta here. He said he wasn't going to argue with that, but I know he didn't change his mind. They just refuse to, no matter what. It's some kind of mental illness, I think.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 28, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
I thought this is more than semantics -- Plan B isn't an abortifacient, right?  It doesn't terminate a pregnancy, it ensures the pregnancy doesn't happen in the first place.  It won't work if the woman is already pregnant.

A fetilized egg takes five to seven days to implant in the uterus.  Plan B prevents the implantation.

If the GOP pushes this line, they're making a HUGE step -- they're saying life doesn't begin at conception, it begins at fertilization.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 28, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
I thought this is more than semantics -- Plan B isn't an abortifacient, right?  It doesn't terminate a pregnancy, it ensures the pregnancy doesn't happen in the first place.  It won't work if the woman is already pregnant.

A fetilized egg takes five to seven days to implant in the uterus.  Plan B prevents the implantation.

If the GOP pushes this line, they're making a HUGE step -- they're saying life doesn't begin at conception, it begins at fertilization.

You're making an assumption here, LMNO.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 28, 2012, 01:51:45 PM
Ok, ok.  But I just want to be clear where the bad signal is coming from.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 28, 2012, 01:51:45 PM
Ok, ok.  But I just want to be clear where the bad signal is coming from.

The greater Phoenix area is where it is coming from.  That being known, nothing should be expected to make sense scientifically or even be coherent in a more general sense.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
And, since nobody else noticed, I'll spell it out.  They just basically banned contraception.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 28, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
Eeeeexcellent....
             \
(http://www.truthwinsout.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pope-200x300.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 28, 2012, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 27, 2012, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on August 27, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 27, 2012, 04:49:47 AM
How are you enjoying your pregnancy?

I lost the baby. :cry:

If I were in Arizona, I'd be having a miscarriage right now! I've had approximately 312 "Arizona miscarriages" since my first one at age 13.

Not to mention that day after tomorrow I'm having a pre-emptive abortion that will abort all of my potential fetuses every month forever.

If I were in Arizona I would probably have to be jailed for deliberately pre-emptively aborting my fetus by not getting pregnant. It's a good thing we have responsible lawmakers looking out for teh babbys!

I know you hate me but my wife thinks that "Arizona Miscarriage" is the best and most hilarious possible term for her period, and I'd like to thank you for bringing a smile to her face during this trying time.

I don't hate you, I just think that you said some things that were utterly reprehensible, wrongheaded, and basically self-centered bullshit said from a position of blind privilege and male entitlement right from the center of a political environment that is hell-bent on stripping women of their rights all around you even while you deny it's happening.

But tell your wife she's welcome.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 28, 2012, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 27, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
So far I've convinced 3 of my female friends that they should inundate state welfare offices with demands for pregnancy benefits every 2 weeks.

Problem:  Bureaucrats will simply pitch those, as it is the safest thing to do.

Instead, your friends should write the author of this bill and ask her why she's working while she's pregnant.

Arizona has "pregnancy benefits"?  :?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 28, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
And, since nobody else noticed, I'll spell it out.  They just basically banned contraception.

Well, you can't control women's sexuality if women can control their own fertility, and if you can't control women's sexuality, you're letting God down.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 28, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
And, since nobody else noticed, I'll spell it out.  They just basically banned contraception.

Well, you can't control women's sexuality if women can control their own fertility, and if you can't control women's sexuality, you're letting God down.

I think you're assuming too much intelligence on the part of the average teabilly.

I think it's more:

"HEY, I MISSED THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE 1950s WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT!  LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.  AND LET'S SHOW THE LIBRULS A THING OR TWO WHILE WE'RE AT IT!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 28, 2012, 06:17:56 PM
Ok, I've probably got a bad perspective on this, but I think I've noticed something.

In the 80s, Falwell's Moral Majority appeared to be a conservative reaction against the corrupt society they saw, and they rallied together to combat it.

In the... what the hell do we call this decade again?  Anyway, today, there seems to be a liberal reaction against the corrupt absolutely fucking lunatics they see in office, and many are rallying together to combat it.




What's that noise?  Oh, it's my Idealist Alert anklet.  I'm experiencing hight doses of optimism right now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2012, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 28, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
And, since nobody else noticed, I'll spell it out.  They just basically banned contraception.

Well, you can't control women's sexuality if women can control their own fertility, and if you can't control women's sexuality, you're letting God down.

I think you're assuming too much intelligence on the part of the average teabilly.

I think it's more:

"HEY, I MISSED THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE 1950s WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT!  LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.  AND LET'S SHOW THE LIBRULS A THING OR TWO WHILE WE'RE AT IT!"

There is a theory, popular on certain liberal blogs, that a good 90% of what conservatives say and do is designed to wind liberals up and "show them a thing or two", and that the scorn they get from liberals is the object of the things they say and do.  Political ressentiment, as Nietzsche would have it.  I certainly don't think it is the whole story, but there is way too much evidence to discount the theory entirely. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on August 28, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
So, they really are trolling us?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2012, 06:46:07 PM
Yes.  Sort of.  If shooting yourself in the foot, because onlookers tell you not to, can be considered trolling.

Which would be an excellent test of the theory, incidentally.  There needs to be a big liberal push against self-harming, just so I can see "Self-harming or self-helping: cutting yourself is actually good for you, and for society by Jonah Goldberg".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 28, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2012, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 28, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
And, since nobody else noticed, I'll spell it out.  They just basically banned contraception.

Well, you can't control women's sexuality if women can control their own fertility, and if you can't control women's sexuality, you're letting God down.

I think you're assuming too much intelligence on the part of the average teabilly.

I think it's more:

"HEY, I MISSED THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE 1950s WHEN EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT!  LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.  AND LET'S SHOW THE LIBRULS A THING OR TWO WHILE WE'RE AT IT!"

There is a theory, popular on certain liberal blogs, that a good 90% of what conservatives say and do is designed to wind liberals up and "show them a thing or two", and that the scorn they get from liberals is the object of the things they say and do.  Political ressentiment, as Nietzsche would have it.  I certainly don't think it is the whole story, but there is way too much evidence to discount the theory entirely. 

Possible, considering that when they get into office they never actually follow through on their evil plots like outlawing and impeding abortion, tossing the poor out onto the street, axing healthcare, starting unnecessary wars, defining entire groups of people as second class citizens with inferior rights, and slashing taxes for the rich.

Lol?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
No, the theory is that if even talking about these things makes liberals mad, doing them will make them even madder.

But thanks for yet another cheap shot in my direction Vex, it never gets boring.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
In fact, you could directly equate the conservative pathological desire to support things because it makes liberals mad with Vex's pathological desire to take cheap shots at me in any political thread.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 28, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
I don't often get mad at them anymore, maybe I should, but there's been constant overload for my entire life. My reaction usually falls somewhere between "disgust" and "amused contempt".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 28, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
In fact, you could directly equate the conservative pathological desire to support things because it makes liberals mad with Vex's pathological desire to take cheap shots at me in any political thread.

Um... is any attempt to not agree with a position stated by a Board Elder now equal to a "cheap shot" and intentional offense? Jesus fucking Christ get a hold of yourself. I do not hold to the idea that Conservatives are trolling when they do in fact follow through on their insane promises when they are given a chance. Although I realize you were not saying they were trolling, exactly, you were saying that they are driven to some extent by the simple desire to piss off Liberals. My objection is to the idea that this observation is meaningful, in light of the fact that they actually do believe their bullshit and are fully serious about implementing any element of their demented Randian utopia wherever possible. These assholes really believe their bullshit, which is a key difference between what they do and what trolls do, even if they're not aware of it.

Not everything I say is about you, even if what I say doesn't mesh with what you say. It isn't a personal attack, so please stop taking it that way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on September 06, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
THE FREE MARKET IN ACTION.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Chaser on September 06, 2012, 05:33:06 PM
I have a question.
I work in construction. If I was working in Arizona, wtf do I do during summer. I hope they let everyone claim sunblock on tax.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
Quote from: Chaser on September 06, 2012, 05:33:06 PM
I have a question.
I work in construction. If I was working in Arizona, wtf do I do during summer. I hope they let everyone claim sunblock on tax.

1.  You work until you drop.  Then they throw you in the dumpster and hire someone new.

2.  Silly rabbit.  Deductions are for rich people.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 07, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.

It's really something that they have better healthcare in Mexico than we have here in the US.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.

It's really something that they have better healthcare in Mexico than we have here in the US.

You can buy antibiotics cheap OTC there.
Here, the process is: go to the ER all night. Get a prescription (if the doctor feels like it). Ask if you can have some samples, get told that they don't give samples anymore. Go to the drugstore and find out how much it's going to cost. Wait until payday and go back.

Do all this when you have strep throat or an absessed tooth.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 07, 2012, 01:02:46 AM
Quote from: Chaser on September 06, 2012, 05:33:06 PM
I have a question.
I work in construction. If I was working in Arizona, wtf do I do during summer. I hope they let everyone claim sunblock on tax.

Wear long sleeves and what Roger said.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 07, 2012, 01:20:53 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.

It's really something that they have better healthcare in Mexico than we have here in the US.

You can buy antibiotics cheap OTC there.
Here, the process is: go to the ER all night. Get a prescription (if the doctor feels like it). Ask if you can have some samples, get told that they don't give samples anymore. Go to the drugstore and find out how much it's going to cost. Wait until payday and go back.

Do all this when you have strep throat or an absessed tooth.

If you're lucky enough to not be already dead by then.

And of course, mustn't forget that you come out of it with an $800 ER bill.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, all citizens get a fairly high standard of health care for free.

Damn Socialists.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 07, 2012, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 01:20:53 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.

It's really something that they have better healthcare in Mexico than we have here in the US.

You can buy antibiotics cheap OTC there.
Here, the process is: go to the ER all night. Get a prescription (if the doctor feels like it). Ask if you can have some samples, get told that they don't give samples anymore. Go to the drugstore and find out how much it's going to cost. Wait until payday and go back.

Do all this when you have strep throat or an absessed tooth.

If you're lucky enough to not be already dead by then.

And of course, mustn't forget that you come out of it with an $800 ER bill.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, all citizens get a fairly high standard of health care for free.

Damn Socialists.

Yep.

Luckily there's no debtors prison.

Yet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 07, 2012, 05:28:43 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 07, 2012, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 01:20:53 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 07, 2012, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 06, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/arizona-woman-feeling-pain-a-83-046-bill-anti-venom-drug-seeking-medical-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

QuoteMarcie Edmonds was stung in Phoenix and needed two doses of the anti-venom Anascorp — which would have only cost her $100 per dose in MEXICO!

$83,046?  Good thing we don't need healthcare reform in the USA.

Every time I see this thread get bumped, I wince.

It's really something that they have better healthcare in Mexico than we have here in the US.

You can buy antibiotics cheap OTC there.
Here, the process is: go to the ER all night. Get a prescription (if the doctor feels like it). Ask if you can have some samples, get told that they don't give samples anymore. Go to the drugstore and find out how much it's going to cost. Wait until payday and go back.

Do all this when you have strep throat or an absessed tooth.

If you're lucky enough to not be already dead by then.

And of course, mustn't forget that you come out of it with an $800 ER bill.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, all citizens get a fairly high standard of health care for free.

Damn Socialists.

Yep.

Luckily there's no debtors prison.

Yet.

The idea of "debtors' prisons" is too quaint and outdated for the 21st Century. No, instead of all the hassle of building prisons and putting people to menial work for 25 cents an hour, they'll just let them stew wherever they already are, eliminate minimum wage laws and let them do menial work for 25 cents an hour and call it "gainful employment."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 07, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.

I think they should make a reality TV show where instead of winning a big fortune, you just get to have your debt erased and you go back to zero wealth. The losers go to debtors' prison.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.

I think they should make a reality TV show where instead of winning a big fortune, you just get to have your debt erased and you go back to zero wealth. The losers go to debtors' prison.

There used to actually be a show like that. Well, at least the first half. It was just called Debt.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 07, 2012, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.

I think they should make a reality TV show where instead of winning a big fortune, you just get to have your debt erased and you go back to zero wealth. The losers go to debtors' prison.

There used to actually be a show like that. Well, at least the first half. It was just called Debt.

I try to invent some Horror, and this fucking planet has beat me to it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:36:38 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.

I think they should make a reality TV show where instead of winning a big fortune, you just get to have your debt erased and you go back to zero wealth. The losers go to debtors' prison.

There used to actually be a show like that. Well, at least the first half. It was just called Debt.

I try to invent some Horror, and this fucking planet has beat me to it.

16 years ago, no less  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 07, 2012, 08:57:16 AM
Quote from: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:36:38 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 07:34:57 AM
Quote from: CorbeauEtRenard on September 07, 2012, 07:29:22 AM
Quote from: v3x on September 07, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 07, 2012, 05:33:35 AM
Do you know how much profit there is in building and maintaining prisons? There are entire local economies built on them.
I bet we'll get a debtors' prison someday entirely too soon. They just won't call it that and no one will know or care about the difference, such as it may be.

I think they should make a reality TV show where instead of winning a big fortune, you just get to have your debt erased and you go back to zero wealth. The losers go to debtors' prison.

There used to actually be a show like that. Well, at least the first half. It was just called Debt.

I try to invent some Horror, and this fucking planet has beat me to it.

16 years ago, no less  :horrormirth:

Happens every time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 29, 2012, 07:00:28 AM
Hope you people all enjoyed Fox News airing an Arizona suicide live on national TV today. We really go the extra mile to keep you entertained here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 29, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 29, 2012, 07:00:28 AM
Hope you people all enjoyed Fox News airing an Arizona suicide live on national TV today. We really go the extra mile to keep you entertained here.
I heard about that.  Was it at a sport thing?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on September 30, 2012, 12:15:49 AM
With a five second delay...

Holy fuck. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 30, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
He stole a car, I believe.

Police were closing in, preferred to die instead of going to jail....I actually thought it was common policy to keep things like that on a 10 second time delay, just in case of such events.  But then again, it's meant to be common policy that news stations report, you know, news and facts and things, which FOX also clearly fails at.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on September 30, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/christian-group-that-sparked-disturbance-at-arab-international-festival-raises-eyebrows-again

What is with your fucked up state, anyway?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on September 30, 2012, 01:27:31 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 30, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/christian-group-that-sparked-disturbance-at-arab-international-festival-raises-eyebrows-again

What is with your fucked up state, anyway?

It's the heat and the sun, mostly.  Our brains get fried.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 30, 2012, 02:43:17 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 30, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/christian-group-that-sparked-disturbance-at-arab-international-festival-raises-eyebrows-again

What is with your fucked up state, anyway?

It just keeps going and going and going...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 06, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
SOMETHING NICE HAPPENED IN PHOENIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNmdAQkH8A)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on October 06, 2012, 06:22:29 AM
I giggled.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on October 06, 2012, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 06, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
SOMETHING NICE HAPPENED IN PHOENIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNmdAQkH8A)

Poor boyo. This is what happens when Canadians come to AZ.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 06, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 06, 2012, 06:00:29 AM
SOMETHING NICE HAPPENED IN PHOENIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoNmdAQkH8A)

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on October 07, 2012, 05:29:54 AM
That's both disgusting and hysterical.

Did anybody film the riot?  You know, when somebody had to go back out on the stage and tell 10,000 teenage girls that Justin's in back praying to the porcelain god and won't be out to sing?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 07, 2012, 05:38:53 AM
AND DON'T FUCKING COME BACK, YOU LITTLE TARD.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on October 07, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 07, 2012, 05:38:53 AM
AND DON'T FUCKING COME BACK, YOU LITTLE TARD.

You sicced the Tuscon on him, for getting that close, didn't you, Roger?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2012, 01:56:53 AM
Quote from: Luna on October 07, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 07, 2012, 05:38:53 AM
AND DON'T FUCKING COME BACK, YOU LITTLE TARD.

You sicced the Tuscon on him, for getting that close, didn't you, Roger?

You're damn straight.

AND THAT GOES FOR YOU, TOO, SELENA GOMEZ.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 08, 2012, 02:49:45 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 08, 2012, 01:56:53 AM
Quote from: Luna on October 07, 2012, 01:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 07, 2012, 05:38:53 AM
AND DON'T FUCKING COME BACK, YOU LITTLE TARD.

You sicced the Tuscon on him, for getting that close, didn't you, Roger?

You're damn straight.

AND THAT GOES FOR YOU, TOO, SELENA GOMEZ.

Roger:

Please ask Tucson to make Taylor Swift projectile vomit on the front row.

Thank you.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on October 08, 2012, 03:34:58 AM
If I had known that was Tucson, I mighta asked for a repeat performance when he was here Friday.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on October 18, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Maricopa-County-Elections-Department-admits-error-on-date-of-general-election-on-voter-ID-cards (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Maricopa-County-Elections-Department-admits-error-on-date-of-general-election-on-voter-ID-cards)

QuotePHOENIX, AZ - The Maricopa County Elections Department mistakenly listed the wrong date of the upcoming general election on an official government document.

The error appears on a document containing a voter ID card.


Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Maricopa-County-Elections-Department-admits-error-on-date-of-general-election-on-voter-ID-cards#ixzz29flF41bd

The punchline?

This is the error:

QuoteNovember 6, 2012/8 de Noviembre, 2012



Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 06:31:50 PM
HAW HAW
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2012, 06:42:36 PM
Totally an accident.  Yup. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 18, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
Well a Spanish 8 looks an awful lot like an English 6. Give them some slack.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on October 18, 2012, 06:49:41 PM
They only let 50 of them get out. My guess is that someone thought it'd be funny ha-ha and it made it to the printers before they decided not everyone would share their advanced sense of humor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on October 22, 2012, 11:06:08 PM
Two things. I haz them.

Arizona GOP Senate Candidate Openly Hostile To Free School Lunch Program He Relied On As A Child (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/18/1041971/arizona-gop-senate-candidate-openly-hostile-to-free-school-lunch-program-he-relied-on-as-a-child/?mobile=nc)
QuoteA new Esquire profile of Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) details the Senate candidate's hard-scrabble childhood on an Arizona cattle ranch — where he was sustained by federal school lunch programs he has repeatedly tried to hobble as a Congressman.

Flake's elder brother, Scott, explained to Esquire how they benefited from entitlement programs meant to provide nutrition for children from low-income families:

QuoteIt didn't feel like we were poor, but we always qualified for free school lunch and those kinds of things. I guess it was just a function of having so many kids. They made enough money raising cattle to raise big families very efficiently, carefully. But they didn't have enough money to send anybody off to college. If you wanted to go to college, it was encouraged and good luck to you, but you had to figure out how to do it.

Though Flake was a direct beneficiary of the federal school lunch program, he's refused to support these free school lunches for other children. Flake has regularly been one of a few hard-line conservatives to vote against child nutrition and school lunch programs in Congress. In 2004, Flake and just 4 other members of Congress voted against reauthorizing funding for child nutrition programs. He has also steadfastly opposed even recognizing the importance of school lunch programs over the years, voting against Congressional resolutions celebrating the School Breakfast Program and the Child and Adult Care Food Program, which provides food assistance in daycare for low-income families. Most recently, he refused to express support for "the goals and ideals of the National School Lunch Program." Each time, he was joined by around 10 other members in opposing the overwhelmingly popular programs.

There are around 48.8 million people currently living in food insecure households like the Flake family. 20 million children take advantage of free and reduced lunches every day.
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmma242d6z1qgfr4yo1_500.gif)

Republic special report: Allegations against National Guard uncovered (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/10/13/20121013national-guard-republic-special-report.html?nclick_check=1)
Quote
A five-month investigation of National Guard conduct and culture by The Arizona Republic has uncovered a systemic patchwork of criminal and ethical misconduct that critics say continues to fester in part because of leadership failures and lax discipline.

According to interviews with military officers and records obtained by The Republic, Arizona Army National Guard members over the past decade engaged in misbehavior that included sexual abuse, enlistment improprieties, forgery, firearms violations, embezzlement, and assaults.

The wrongdoing, most of which has not been previously disclosed, was concentrated among military recruiters who often visit high schools in search of teenage recruits. National Guard investigators found that non-commissioned officers, known as NCOs, engaged in sexual misconduct, collected recruiting fees to which they were not entitled, forged Guard documents, and committed other offenses such as hunting the homeless with paintball guns.

Investigators asserted that National Guard commanders failed to hold subordinates accountable, in part because many supervisors also engaged in unethical behavior. Many high-ranking officers contend an atmosphere of disdain for discipline persists.

After The Republic shared its findings with Gov. Jan Brewer's office, she announced plans for a wide-ranging inquiry directed at Arizona military operations by a high-ranking National Guard officer from another state.

"The governor is calling for a full, fair and independent review of the Arizona National Guard, its operations, the personnel and discipline handed out in response to some of these incidents," said Matthew Benson, a spokesman for Brewer.
Long article is long, but a rather unsettling read.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 11:08:35 PM
Quoteand committed other offenses such as hunting the homeless with paintball guns.


Even for Arizona.   :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on October 27, 2012, 02:40:02 AM
On a not-horrormirthy note, AZ's prop 120 (http://www.azwild.org/resources/Prop120.php) is hilarious.

Quote
Proposition 120 would amend the Arizona Constitution to state that Arizona “declares its sovereign and exclusive authority and jurisdiction over the air, water, public lands, minerals, wildlife and other natural resources within its boundaries.”  Tribal lands and military installations are the only lands excluded.  In effect, the Constitutional amendment would set in motion a demand by the state that all federal lands – National Parks, forests, wildlife refuges, monuments, wilderness areas, recreation areas, historic lands, and more – are turned over to state or private ownership.  The proposition would affect roughly 25 million acres of federal land.
There's already precedent against this sort of thing, as the Supreme Court ruled on a somewhat similar case already.

Also, looking at the headlines associated with this, apparently the rest of the country only really wants the Grand Canyon. AZ can have the rest, I guess?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on October 27, 2012, 05:57:38 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 27, 2012, 02:40:02 AM
On a not-horrormirthy note, AZ's prop 120 (http://www.azwild.org/resources/Prop120.php) is hilarious.

Quote
Proposition 120 would amend the Arizona Constitution to state that Arizona "declares its sovereign and exclusive authority and jurisdiction over the air, water, public lands, minerals, wildlife and other natural resources within its boundaries."  Tribal lands and military installations are the only lands excluded.  In effect, the Constitutional amendment would set in motion a demand by the state that all federal lands – National Parks, forests, wildlife refuges, monuments, wilderness areas, recreation areas, historic lands, and more – are turned over to state or private ownership.  The proposition would affect roughly 25 million acres of federal land.
There's already precedent against this sort of thing, as the Supreme Court ruled on a somewhat similar case already.

Also, looking at the headlines associated with this, apparently the rest of the country only really wants the Grand Canyon. AZ can have the rest, I guess?

:? Wat
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 27, 2012, 06:01:38 AM
It's very important for our state to have sovereignty over these lands, because it's so much easier to cut off all the funding for maintaining them that way. You see, in Arizona we believe that a balanced budget is a happy budget. That's why we have stopped all new registration for KidCare/CHiP, slashed unemployment benefits, and tossed a few hundred thousand people out of the healthcare system. But it's not enough. There are still people benefiting from government services in this state, and that must stop immediately.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on October 27, 2012, 06:11:37 AM
Ohhhhh. Yeah.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on October 29, 2012, 02:55:53 PM
Wait, WTF?  Sanity, from Arizona?

Proposition 114...  A bill to prevent criminals from being able to sue their victims if the criminal is injured during the commission of or while fleeing from a crime:

QuoteSection 31. No law shall be enacted in this state limiting the amount of damages to be recovered for causing the death or injury of any person, EXCEPT THAT A CRIME VICTIM IS NOT SUBJECT TO A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES BY A PERSON WHO IS HARMED WHILE THE PERSON IS ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN, ENGAGING IN OR FLEEING AFTER HAVING ENGAGED IN OR ATTEMPTED TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A FELONY OFFENSE.

...

6. Recovery of damages for injuries

Section 6. The right of action to recover damages for injuries shall never be abrogated, and the amount recovered shall not be subject to any statutory limitation, EXCEPT THAT A CRIME VICTIM IS NOT SUBJECT TO A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES BY A PERSON WHO IS HARMED WHILE THE PERSON IS ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN, ENGAGING IN OR FLEEING AFTER HAVING ENGAGED IN OR ATTEMPTED TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A FELONY OFFENSE.

http://www.azsos.gov/election/2012/Info/PubPamphlet/Sun_Sounds/english/prop114.htm

Sign of the end times?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 29, 2012, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 29, 2012, 02:55:53 PM
Wait, WTF?  Sanity, from Arizona?

Proposition 114...  A bill to prevent criminals from being able to sue their victims if the criminal is injured during the commission of or while fleeing from a crime:

QuoteSection 31. No law shall be enacted in this state limiting the amount of damages to be recovered for causing the death or injury of any person, EXCEPT THAT A CRIME VICTIM IS NOT SUBJECT TO A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES BY A PERSON WHO IS HARMED WHILE THE PERSON IS ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN, ENGAGING IN OR FLEEING AFTER HAVING ENGAGED IN OR ATTEMPTED TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A FELONY OFFENSE.

...

6. Recovery of damages for injuries

Section 6. The right of action to recover damages for injuries shall never be abrogated, and the amount recovered shall not be subject to any statutory limitation, EXCEPT THAT A CRIME VICTIM IS NOT SUBJECT TO A CLAIM FOR DAMAGES BY A PERSON WHO IS HARMED WHILE THE PERSON IS ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN, ENGAGING IN OR FLEEING AFTER HAVING ENGAGED IN OR ATTEMPTED TO ENGAGE IN CONDUCT THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A FELONY OFFENSE.

http://www.azsos.gov/election/2012/Info/PubPamphlet/Sun_Sounds/english/prop114.htm

Sign of the end times?

Also known as the Broken Clock Act.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 29, 2012, 03:46:56 PM
It also outlaws "tort reform".

How very fucking interesting.  My state is very confused, I think.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 29, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
AZ healthcare is so hopelessly fucked. Three doctors once told my dad he had the best case they'd ever seen for malpractice, and then promptly assured him it would never go to court, because doctors in AZ will immediately blacklist and stop sending any referrals to any doctor who acts as a witness in a malpractice case.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on November 12, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/

Wow...  "We'll just stuff these under the counter and call our guy the winner."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 12, 2012, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Luna on November 12, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/

Wow...  "We'll just stuff these under the counter and call our guy the winner."

Hold up, they THREW OUT 18% of provisional ballots??? On what grounds?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on November 12, 2012, 01:45:37 AM
Quote from: CAKE on November 12, 2012, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Luna on November 12, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/

Wow...  "We'll just stuff these under the counter and call our guy the winner."

Hold up, they THREW OUT 18% of provisional ballots??? On what grounds?

Voting while smudgy?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on November 12, 2012, 03:23:23 AM
Quote from: CAKE on November 12, 2012, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Luna on November 12, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/

Wow...  "We'll just stuff these under the counter and call our guy the winner."

Hold up, they THREW OUT 18% of provisional ballots??? On what grounds?

Apparently...

QuoteIn 2008, the ACLU named Pima County #1 in the country for voter suppression when F. Ann Rodreguez's department threw out 18% of the provisional ballots-- rather than spend the estimated 45 minutes per ballot to verify addresses.

http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2012/11/az-voting-irregularities-misinformation-rule-bending-600000-uncounted-ballots-statewide-disgrace.html

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 12, 2012, 04:06:26 AM
Un fucking real.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2012, 01:28:22 PM
Don't be surprised, it's only slapstick.

It's how we joke around, here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on November 12, 2012, 06:02:01 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Luna on November 13, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
What the everloving fuck is going ON in Arizona????

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-11-08/news/a-glendale-mom-was-falsely-imprisoned-now-the-state-wants-to-cancel-her-u-s-birth-certificate/

Falsely imprisoned as an illegal immigrant because you're smudgy?  Provide birth certificate?  Well, fuck you, we'll cancel your birth certificate and deport you anyway!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 06:41:40 PM
Quote from: Luna on November 13, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
What the everloving fuck is going ON in Arizona????

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-11-08/news/a-glendale-mom-was-falsely-imprisoned-now-the-state-wants-to-cancel-her-u-s-birth-certificate/

Falsely imprisoned as an illegal immigrant because you're smudgy?  Provide birth certificate?  Well, fuck you, we'll cancel your birth certificate and deport you anyway!

Don't be afraid, we're only joking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 13, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
 :horrormirth: Two of my sisters live in Arizona.

They need to get out while they still can.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: CAKE on November 13, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
:horrormirth: Two of my sisters live in Arizona.

They need to get out while they still can.

Women:  Check.
Smudgy skin:  Check.

Yeah, they're fucked.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Just for fun:

QuoteAZ 13-3703. Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Desecrate" means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. "Flag" means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of this state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 2 misdemeanor.


Also, it is illegal in Arizona for more than 6 girls to live in the same house.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on November 13, 2012, 07:13:26 PM
What.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: BabylonHoruv on November 13, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/1352?share_ref=Ft-tZSqE2iY

Judge tells woman groped by police officer that she shouldn't have been in a bar.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 09:29:15 PM
ATTN, RWNS:  Tea Party is over.  It is now time for White whine.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 13, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Just for fun:

QuoteAZ 13-3703. Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Desecrate" means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. "Flag" means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of this state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 2 misdemeanor.


Also, it is illegal in Arizona for more than 6 girls to live in the same house.

Whaaaaaaaaaat the fuck? :horrormirth:

Does that make convents illegal there?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: CAKE on November 13, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Just for fun:

QuoteAZ 13-3703. Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Desecrate" means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. "Flag" means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of this state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 2 misdemeanor.


Also, it is illegal in Arizona for more than 6 girls to live in the same house.

Whaaaaaaaaaat the fuck? :horrormirth:

Does that make convents illegal there?

Yes.  And if you have too many kids, you have to throw some away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 16, 2012, 06:46:33 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: CAKE on November 13, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 13, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Just for fun:

QuoteAZ 13-3703. Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. "Desecrate" means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. "Flag" means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of this state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 2 misdemeanor.


Also, it is illegal in Arizona for more than 6 girls to live in the same house.

Whaaaaaaaaaat the fuck? :horrormirth:

Does that make convents illegal there?

Yes.  And if you have too many kids, you have to throw some away.

:cry:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 16, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 03:50:34 PM
AZ healthcare is so hopelessly fucked. Three doctors once told my dad he had the best case they'd ever seen for malpractice, and then promptly assured him it would never go to court, because doctors in AZ will immediately blacklist and stop sending any referrals to any doctor who acts as a witness in a malpractice case.

I think I'm going to be sick.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on November 16, 2012, 09:12:10 AM
http://notalwaysright.com/not-the-sharpest-bigot/24910

QuoteMe: "Excuse me, sir, are you finding everything all right today?"

Customer: *turning* "Oh, what the f*** is this?"

Me: "Um... what is what?"

Customer: "I haven't been helped by a single American since I got here. Are you people even hiring whites?"

(Our town has a regrettably accurate reputation for being somewhat racist. Customers often ignore non-white employees or refuse their aid. I'm of Indian descent, but was born and raised a few miles away in Phoenix.)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 08:46:42 PM
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/08/16895379-autopsy-us-border-patrol-agents-shot-mexican-teen-7-times-from-behind?lite

I've told you guys about what the Border Patrol is like down here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on February 08, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
:eek: You have. What the actual fuck is wrong with those agents?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on February 08, 2013, 08:54:08 PM
In fairness to the Border Patrol, we can't have kids throwing rocks down there. I'm sure you've seen the kind of destruction and chaos that happens when Palestinian kids start throwing rocks. No way can the US tolerate that kind of violence.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 08, 2013, 08:53:14 PM
:eek: You have. What the actual fuck is wrong with those agents?

I know a few of them.  The ones I know are utter racists, and applied for the job "so I can shoot someone."

No hyperbole, here.

The running gag is that <John Smith> couldn't get the job, because his rap sheet wasn't long enough.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 08, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
And, let's be honest, there are long histories of institutionally racist police down there.

Even when decent people do manage to join, they'll be ostracized by racist superiors, denied promotions, given shit jobs, harassed etc and will eventually leave.

You'd need to shitcan the entire officer level of the border police just to make any kind of progress.  And the politician who did that would be hounded out of office for being "weak on illegals".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 08, 2013, 10:27:05 PM
Jesus fucking hell. Poor kid.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
And, let's be honest, there are long histories of institutionally racist police down there.

Even when decent people do manage to join, they'll be ostracized by racist superiors, denied promotions, given shit jobs, harassed etc and will eventually leave.

You'd need to shitcan the entire officer level of the border police just to make any kind of progress.  And the politician who did that would be hounded out of office for being "weak on illegals".

Up in Oro Valley, the prevailing opinion is that "the illegals deserve it" and "that's no reason to ruin someone's career".

Because, up in Oro Valley, Hispanics aren't actually human, you see.  They're a bogeyman.  They exist only to rape fatass White women, and steal our cars.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on February 08, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
And, let's be honest, there are long histories of institutionally racist police down there.

Even when decent people do manage to join, they'll be ostracized by racist superiors, denied promotions, given shit jobs, harassed etc and will eventually leave.

You'd need to shitcan the entire officer level of the border police just to make any kind of progress.  And the politician who did that would be hounded out of office for being "weak on illegals".

Up in Oro Valley, the prevailing opinion is that "the illegals deserve it" and "that's no reason to ruin someone's career".

Because, up in Oro Valley, Hispanics aren't actually human, you see.  They're a bogeyman.  They exist only to rape fatass White women, and steal our cars.

And do yard work.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 08, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 08, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
And, let's be honest, there are long histories of institutionally racist police down there.

Even when decent people do manage to join, they'll be ostracized by racist superiors, denied promotions, given shit jobs, harassed etc and will eventually leave.

You'd need to shitcan the entire officer level of the border police just to make any kind of progress.  And the politician who did that would be hounded out of office for being "weak on illegals".

Up in Oro Valley, the prevailing opinion is that "the illegals deserve it" and "that's no reason to ruin someone's career".

Because, up in Oro Valley, Hispanics aren't actually human, you see.  They're a bogeyman.  They exist only to rape fatass White women, and steal our cars.

And do yard work.

They're invisible while they do that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on February 09, 2013, 01:16:44 AM


Because, up in Oro Valley, Hispanics aren't actually human, you see.  They're a bogeyman.  They exist only to rape fatass White women, and steal our cars.
[/quote]

Funny this is how I met my wife.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 09, 2013, 04:37:18 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 09, 2013, 01:16:44 AM


Funny this is how I met my wife.  :lulz:

You stole her car?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on February 09, 2013, 06:24:47 PM
Her heart.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 09, 2013, 06:31:13 PM
The trade in illegal organs is pretty bad down that way, it's true...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on February 09, 2013, 07:34:07 PM
Just to avoid confusion, and derailment.

Before we dated me and my wife were friends for a good 5 months. We started dating, and 1 month into our relationship she was kicked out by her room mates uncle; because she wouldn't break up with me for I looked like a thug one of those "La Raza." Mexicans that believe all white people are evil. The uncle never knew I existed, but he knew every detail of my life by just staring at this picture below. The only thing my wife told him was my name,that I'm going to school for engineering,I work, and this picture. Apparently with that little information I'm somehow Scarface in his eyes. Katy,Texas is full of snowbirds who never got the memo Texas is part of Mexican History. One last note though he thought I sold drugs, and wanted to know how I managed to get into school. It took lots of self-control not knocking him out when I picked up my wife when the son of a bitch threw her out. Texas has a Tuscon.

TL;DR I'm a boogeyman in Texas, and Arizona.

What made me lol about the analogy is that I'm actually into big women. I like women with that post-child birth figure.


(http://i.imgur.com/hOEnfJ9.jpg?1)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mangrove on February 10, 2013, 07:11:56 PM
Long hair, leather jacket, heavy metal shirt. You don't look like a bogeyman so much as absolutely everyone I hung out with in the 80s.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 10, 2013, 07:18:58 PM
Texas used to BE part of Mexico.

His ass can't comprehend "Six Flags"? Put him on a rollercoaster. Preferably behind someone who pukes easily.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on February 11, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
Iron Maiden shirt? Clearly a "Vato Loco". I must have broken his heart knowing that I stole another white wimmenz away.
The only way he could have hated me anymore was if I was black,had a thug life tattoo on my knuckles, and reeked of menthols, and cocoa butter. Because to him all black people love them some cocoa butter.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mangrove on February 11, 2013, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 11, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
Iron Maiden shirt? Clearly a "Vato Loco". I must have broken his heart knowing that I stole another white wimmenz away.
The only way he could have hated me anymore was if I was black,had a thug life tattoo on my knuckles, and reeked of menthols, and cocoa butter. Because to him all black people love them some cocoa butter.

Black people love cocoa butter? This is a strange new stereotype I've never heard of. You're going to have to explain this...lol..

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on February 11, 2013, 02:30:58 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on February 11, 2013, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 11, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
Iron Maiden shirt? Clearly a "Vato Loco". I must have broken his heart knowing that I stole another white wimmenz away.
The only way he could have hated me anymore was if I was black,had a thug life tattoo on my knuckles, and reeked of menthols, and cocoa butter. Because to him all black people love them some cocoa butter.

Black people love cocoa butter? This is a strange new stereotype I've never heard of. You're going to have to explain this...lol..

I believe they use it as a skin moisturizer so they don't get dry and ashy looking skin.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 11, 2013, 02:56:07 AM
Quote from: six to the quixotic on February 11, 2013, 02:30:58 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on February 11, 2013, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 11, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
Iron Maiden shirt? Clearly a "Vato Loco". I must have broken his heart knowing that I stole another white wimmenz away.
The only way he could have hated me anymore was if I was black,had a thug life tattoo on my knuckles, and reeked of menthols, and cocoa butter. Because to him all black people love them some cocoa butter.

Black people love cocoa butter? This is a strange new stereotype I've never heard of. You're going to have to explain this...lol..

I believe they use it as a skin moisturizer so they don't get dry and ashy looking skin.

It's true.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on February 12, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/sheriff-joe-arpaio-to-release-report-on-bungled-investigations-on-sex-crime-cases

QuotePHOENIX - Maricopa County Sheriff's Office supervisors and deputies directly involved in the mishandling of hundreds of sex crimes cases will not be disciplined, despite a 2011 recommendation to suspend several employees.
"If there were any victims out there, I apologize to those victims," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said in a December 2011 news conference. "Sometimes in a large law enforcement agency, these sort of situations occur."
According to letters dated February 11, 2013 and sent to various MCSO employees, the failure by MCSO to properly investigate hundreds of sex crimes cases – most of which involved children – is the result of a "systemic problem" that could not be solved by disciplining just a "few individuals."

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 12, 2013, 03:39:57 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on February 12, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/sheriff-joe-arpaio-to-release-report-on-bungled-investigations-on-sex-crime-cases

QuotePHOENIX - Maricopa County Sheriff's Office supervisors and deputies directly involved in the mishandling of hundreds of sex crimes cases will not be disciplined, despite a 2011 recommendation to suspend several employees.
"If there were any victims out there, I apologize to those victims," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said in a December 2011 news conference. "Sometimes in a large law enforcement agency, these sort of situations occur."
According to letters dated February 11, 2013 and sent to various MCSO employees, the failure by MCSO to properly investigate hundreds of sex crimes cases – most of which involved children – is the result of a "systemic problem" that could not be solved by disciplining just a "few individuals."

SURPRISE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 13, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
He doesn't mention that the fuck ups occurred because there wasn't anyone to investigate them, because he had ALL THE DETECTIVES CHASING ILLEGALS.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2013, 02:31:14 PM
Arizona is now going to be the home of drone training.   :lulz:

But they promise not to spy on civilians.   :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 15, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
More  :horrormirth: from Sheriff Joe

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-hires-criminals-protect-city-schools#

QuoteYou'd think school officials would feel safer now that they are being protected by thousands of people. Unfortunately the opposite is true. Why? Well, because some of these volunteers have extensive criminal records.

News team KPHO reports that Arpaio's volunteers have included sex offenders, domestic abusers, and other people with similar unfortunate histories.

One member, Dominic Boulter, was arrested and convicted for committing crimes against children.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Pope Partum Depression on February 15, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
More  :horrormirth: from Sheriff Joe

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-hires-criminals-protect-city-schools#

QuoteYou'd think school officials would feel safer now that they are being protected by thousands of people. Unfortunately the opposite is true. Why? Well, because some of these volunteers have extensive criminal records.

News team KPHO reports that Arpaio's volunteers have included sex offenders, domestic abusers, and other people with similar unfortunate histories.

One member, Dominic Boulter, was arrested and convicted for committing crimes against children.

But that's not the POINT, Stella!  We can't let these little things get in the way of PROTECTING THE CHILDREN™!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 15, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Pope Partum Depression on February 15, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
More  :horrormirth: from Sheriff Joe

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-hires-criminals-protect-city-schools#

QuoteYou'd think school officials would feel safer now that they are being protected by thousands of people. Unfortunately the opposite is true. Why? Well, because some of these volunteers have extensive criminal records.

News team KPHO reports that Arpaio's volunteers have included sex offenders, domestic abusers, and other people with similar unfortunate histories.

One member, Dominic Boulter, was arrested and convicted for committing crimes against children.

But that's not the POINT, Stella!  We can't let these little things get in the way of PROTECTING THE CHILDREN™!

Got to love SAFETY IN THE SCHOOLS(TM)

WHAT, YOU WANT SOME PONYTAIL-ASS SISSIES TRYING TO DO A MAN'S JOB PROTECTING YOUR KIDS????? FUCK YUO!

ALSO: JOB CREATION(TM) FTW
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on February 15, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
This thread makes me weep for humanity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 15, 2013, 07:20:16 PM
Who wouldn't feel safe knowing Steven Seagal and a bunch of hardened career criminals and sex offenders are protecting them?

If anyone knows violence, it's criminals.  And if I want anyone shielding my body from a mad gunman, it's Steven Seagal (you'll need to be rocking an anti-materiel rifle to shoot through that and hit someone).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 15, 2013, 07:53:50 PM
CHUCK NORRIS.

Because spinning back kicks work on EVERYTHING. Saw it on TV.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 15, 2013, 07:55:58 PM
Spinning back kicks are actually awesome.  You can totally put someone on the ground hard with one of those.

The trick is making them connect when you've just suffered an adrenaline dump due to someone waving a gun in your face.  Or are in a confined space.  Or both.  Or when you telegraph the attack, they grab your leg and then knife your femoral atery.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on February 15, 2013, 08:58:30 PM
 :lulz: Looks amazing and can reduce a Wing Chun to splinters but has all the combat effectiveness of a tutu with "Badass" printed on it in glitter
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on February 15, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 15, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
This thread makes me weep for humanity.

:cry:

Also how are these people ALIVE in Arizona? It can't be all the Ronald Reagan posters in their homes is it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 15, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 15, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
This thread makes me weep for humanity.

:cry:

Also how are these people ALIVE in Arizona? It can't be all the Ronald Reagan posters in their homes is it?

I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 

I know a guy who constantly talks about how the current government is engaging in eugenics, though.  :(  Poor guy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2013, 01:08:31 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on February 15, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 15, 2013, 07:14:29 PM
This thread makes me weep for humanity.

:cry:

Also how are these people ALIVE in Arizona? It can't be all the Ronald Reagan posters in their homes is it?

We aren't.  This is the afterlife.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,28577.msg1014814.html#msg1014814

There you go.

So they weren't in Oregon.  They were in Arizona.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on February 26, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

So messed up.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Fair enough.
Yeah, the street I grew up on was this weird cross-section of aging hippies and arch-conservatives and biker gang members and truckers and survivalists.  What they all had in common is an explicit distrust of the government.  Even my arch-conservative parents with the Pic of GW in the place of honor on their mantle. 

It wasn't as dry and arid as you describe in Tucson, but it was similar in other ways.  I learned at a very early age how to deal with rattle snakes and scorpions, and I'm talking about both the wild kind and the human kind.  Not as much heroin and meth and things like that, but maybe 90-95 percent of the populace used marijuana like other places use tobacco.  But it's changed a lot, and the house right across the fence from the house i grew up in is a meth lab today.

and just south  of Roseburg about 60 miles is a town (Grants Pass) where half the town goes around on a regular basis wearing tin foil hats.  That is not a metaphor, by the way.  It's not uncommon in Grants Pass to see a businessman in his suit at a restaurant at lunchtime wearing his tinfoil hat.

must be some kinda weird connection between that part of the state and Tucson.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 26, 2013, 08:36:13 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Fair enough.
Yeah, the street I grew up on was this weird cross-section of aging hippies and arch-conservatives and biker gang members and truckers and survivalists.  What they all had in common is an explicit distrust of the government.  Even my arch-conservative parents with the Pic of GW in the place of honor on their mantle. 

It wasn't as dry and arid as you describe in Tucson, but it was similar in other ways.  I learned at a very early age how to deal with rattle snakes and scorpions, and I'm talking about both the wild kind and the human kind.  Not as much heroin and meth and things like that, but maybe 90-95 percent of the populace used marijuana like other places use tobacco.  But it's changed a lot, and the house right across the fence from the house i grew up in is a meth lab today.

and just south  of Roseburg about 60 miles is a town (Grants Pass) where half the town goes around on a regular basis wearing tin foil hats.  That is not a metaphor, by the way.  It's not uncommon in Grants Pass to see a businessman in his suit at a restaurant at lunchtime wearing his tinfoil hat.

must be some kinda weird connection between that part of the state and Tucson.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

WHY???????  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
in order to protect themselves from Mind Control Rays.

I can't find any links on it, but there was a religious cult on the outskirts of Grants Pass when I was growing up and encouraged all their members to wear tin-foil hats.  they took it very seriously, too.

It is also an extremely common place for UFO sightings.

There is a big huge caveman statue in the center of the town.  Grants Pass is near the oregon national caves, and back in the 20's there was a promotional type club that would dress in animal skins and carry around clubs and put women in cages and things like that, so they erected a huge statue to honor them in the center of the town.

and there there's the rainbow people.  They are wear dirty robes and never bathe and mostly subsist off of living out in the open in the national forests.  They eat a lot of shrooms, too.

And of course they stay well away from the survivalist compounds in the National forests up there that are set up and stocked for a major apocalypse any day now.

an interesting place.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
and there there's the rainbow people.  They are wear dirty robes and never bathe and mostly subsist off of living out in the open in the national forests.  They eat a lot of shrooms, too.

Oh, we know about the rainbow people.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 26, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
*skips* "WE'RE GOING TO THE GATHER-ING! WE'RE GOING TO THE GATHER-ING! CHOO CHOOOOOOO! ALL ABOARD! ARE YOU COMING WITH US? THE REVEREND LOVE IS GOING TO BE THERE AND THE HARE KRISHNAS AND WE ALL HUG EACH OTHER AND - "

:vom: :vom: :vom:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
Quote from: Pope Partum Depression on February 26, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
*skips* "WE'RE GOING TO THE GATHER-ING! WE'RE GOING TO THE GATHER-ING! CHOO CHOOOOOOO! ALL ABOARD! ARE YOU COMING WITH US? THE REVEREND LOVE IS GOING TO BE THERE AND THE HARE KRISHNAS AND WE ALL HUG EACH OTHER AND - "

:vom: :vom: :vom:

AND AND AND HOW DARE YOU PARK THERE?  YES, THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK AND THERE IS NO RESERVED PARKING BUT WE'RE THE FUCKING RAINBOW PEOPLE!

YOU WILL NEVER MEDITATE IN THIS CITY AGAIN!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Elder Iptuous on February 26, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
are they the militant pacifist type?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on February 26, 2013, 09:04:43 PM
Factor in some mental illness/retardation and yes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
and there there's the rainbow people.  They are wear dirty robes and never bathe and mostly subsist off of living out in the open in the national forests.  They eat a lot of shrooms, too.

Oh, we know about the rainbow people.   :lulz:
My first job growing up was at a gas station in Roseburg.  for those that don't know, you aren't allowed to pump your own gas in Oregon, an attendant has to put it in your car for you.  every few months the Rainbow People would come thru in a caravan.  They'd try to pay for candy and stuff in the store with shrooms.  when we didn't accept the shrooms they'd just swipe it, and their elder, the oldest, dirtiest, stinkiest one of them would make them give it back.  He'd pay for all the gas in the caravan of vehicles by pulling bills off a big roll of 20's.

One time one of the woman hiked up her robe in the parking lot and went to take a shit right there because she didn't want to wait.  I begged her to use the mens room while I guarded the door because I didn't want to have to clean up her pile of shit.  she laughed and complied.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 09:24:41 PM
Fuckers apparently write their own wikipedia page.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Fair enough.
Yeah, the street I grew up on was this weird cross-section of aging hippies and arch-conservatives and biker gang members and truckers and survivalists.  What they all had in common is an explicit distrust of the government.  Even my arch-conservative parents with the Pic of GW in the place of honor on their mantle. 

It wasn't as dry and arid as you describe in Tucson, but it was similar in other ways.  I learned at a very early age how to deal with rattle snakes and scorpions, and I'm talking about both the wild kind and the human kind.  Not as much heroin and meth and things like that, but maybe 90-95 percent of the populace used marijuana like other places use tobacco.  But it's changed a lot, and the house right across the fence from the house i grew up in is a meth lab today.

and just south  of Roseburg about 60 miles is a town (Grants Pass) where half the town goes around on a regular basis wearing tin foil hats.  That is not a metaphor, by the way.  It's not uncommon in Grants Pass to see a businessman in his suit at a restaurant at lunchtime wearing his tinfoil hat.

must be some kinda weird connection between that part of the state and Tucson.

Oh, Southern Oregon! My mom's family is from Medford. Medford is so distinctive that when my psych professor started telling fucked-up stories about HER family, I asked her is she was, by any chance, from Medford.

The answer was yes. :horrormirth:

Medford is kind of the Bakersfield of Oregon.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on February 26, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Fair enough.
Yeah, the street I grew up on was this weird cross-section of aging hippies and arch-conservatives and biker gang members and truckers and survivalists.  What they all had in common is an explicit distrust of the government.  Even my arch-conservative parents with the Pic of GW in the place of honor on their mantle. 

It wasn't as dry and arid as you describe in Tucson, but it was similar in other ways.  I learned at a very early age how to deal with rattle snakes and scorpions, and I'm talking about both the wild kind and the human kind.  Not as much heroin and meth and things like that, but maybe 90-95 percent of the populace used marijuana like other places use tobacco.  But it's changed a lot, and the house right across the fence from the house i grew up in is a meth lab today.

and just south  of Roseburg about 60 miles is a town (Grants Pass) where half the town goes around on a regular basis wearing tin foil hats.  That is not a metaphor, by the way.  It's not uncommon in Grants Pass to see a businessman in his suit at a restaurant at lunchtime wearing his tinfoil hat.

must be some kinda weird connection between that part of the state and Tucson.

Oh, Southern Oregon! My mom's family is from Medford. Medford is so distinctive that when my psych professor started telling fucked-up stories about HER family, I asked her is she was, by any chance, from Medford.

The answer was yes. :horrormirth:

Medford is kind of the Bakersfield of Oregon.
That's fucking horrifying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
in order to protect themselves from Mind Control Rays.

I can't find any links on it, but there was a religious cult on the outskirts of Grants Pass when I was growing up and encouraged all their members to wear tin-foil hats.  they took it very seriously, too.

It is also an extremely common place for UFO sightings.

There is a big huge caveman statue in the center of the town.  Grants Pass is near the oregon national caves, and back in the 20's there was a promotional type club that would dress in animal skins and carry around clubs and put women in cages and things like that, so they erected a huge statue to honor them in the center of the town.

and there there's the rainbow people.  They are wear dirty robes and never bathe and mostly subsist off of living out in the open in the national forests.  They eat a lot of shrooms, too.

And of course they stay well away from the survivalist compounds in the National forests up there that are set up and stocked for a major apocalypse any day now.

an interesting place.

The whole Pacific NW is great for cults. There were the Bride of Christ freaks and the Rajneeshis and the Kissers and then up in Washington that whole Ramtha thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 26, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Weren't the Brotherhood of Eternal Love (http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/ronald_hadley_stark_the_man_behind_the_lsd_curtain/) also pretty active up there?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: six to the quixotic on February 26, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on February 16, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
I have yet to see anyone actually have a poster of Ronald Reagan in their homes. 
Well, then, here's one for ya:
My parents had a pic of GW Bush (Bush Jr.) on their mantle before they died.

The kids - me and my brother and sisters - were all off to the side, but GW was in the place of honor at the center of the mantle.

Not quite apropos to the topic, since they lived in SW Oregon, but still

Of course it's relevant.  Universal Tucson.  I can link you to the definition if you like.
Fair enough.
Yeah, the street I grew up on was this weird cross-section of aging hippies and arch-conservatives and biker gang members and truckers and survivalists.  What they all had in common is an explicit distrust of the government.  Even my arch-conservative parents with the Pic of GW in the place of honor on their mantle. 

It wasn't as dry and arid as you describe in Tucson, but it was similar in other ways.  I learned at a very early age how to deal with rattle snakes and scorpions, and I'm talking about both the wild kind and the human kind.  Not as much heroin and meth and things like that, but maybe 90-95 percent of the populace used marijuana like other places use tobacco.  But it's changed a lot, and the house right across the fence from the house i grew up in is a meth lab today.

and just south  of Roseburg about 60 miles is a town (Grants Pass) where half the town goes around on a regular basis wearing tin foil hats.  That is not a metaphor, by the way.  It's not uncommon in Grants Pass to see a businessman in his suit at a restaurant at lunchtime wearing his tinfoil hat.

must be some kinda weird connection between that part of the state and Tucson.

Oh, Southern Oregon! My mom's family is from Medford. Medford is so distinctive that when my psych professor started telling fucked-up stories about HER family, I asked her is she was, by any chance, from Medford.

The answer was yes. :horrormirth:

Medford is kind of the Bakersfield of Oregon.
That's fucking horrifying.

You have noooo idea.

My grandmother's maiden name was Hall. My grandfather's mother's maiden name was Hall. This is not a coincidence. Nor is it an exception. It's what happens when you combine "Southern" and "Oregon".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Oh, Southern Oregon! My mom's family is from Medford. Medford is so distinctive that when my psych professor started telling fucked-up stories about HER family, I asked her is she was, by any chance, from Medford.

The answer was yes. :horrormirth:

Medford is kind of the Bakersfield of Oregon.
I was born in Medford!

Since people seem to be enjoying the stories...
I have a sister that lives in Grants Pass.  It's not uncommon for her to pack up her family in June and move to the KOA campground for the Summer.  Her and a group of neighbors all move to the campground for 3 months to save on rent money.  If you want to get ahold of her during one of the summers she and her family are living at the KOA, you have to go by the campground and find her.

My niece wears rose-colored glasses because my sister thinks that it improves her view on life.  And she claims to have the Dr Doolittle Ability of talking to animals, and that they talk back.

I'm thinking the weird is in the water or the soil or something...

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 26, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Weren't the Brotherhood of Eternal Love (http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/ronald_hadley_stark_the_man_behind_the_lsd_curtain/) also pretty active up there?

Yes, I believe they were, albeit before my time. It seems to me there was also a small suicide cult here, maybe in the 80's? Far less significant than Heaven's Gate but along the same lines.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 26, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Weren't the Brotherhood of Eternal Love (http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/ronald_hadley_stark_the_man_behind_the_lsd_curtain/) also pretty active up there?
If I remember right they were up in the Eugene area which is about 70 miles north of roseburg, or 160 miles north of Medford.  Same general part of the country, but much more organized, both in its cults as well as its culture.  You go farther south, and you mostly found people that wanted to get their freak on without interferance
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
Oh, Southern Oregon! My mom's family is from Medford. Medford is so distinctive that when my psych professor started telling fucked-up stories about HER family, I asked her is she was, by any chance, from Medford.

The answer was yes. :horrormirth:

Medford is kind of the Bakersfield of Oregon.
I was born in Medford!

Since people seem to be enjoying the stories...
I have a sister that lives in Grants Pass.  It's not uncommon for her to pack up her family in June and move to the KOA campground for the Summer.  Her and a group of neighbors all move to the campground for 3 months to save on rent money.  If you want to get ahold of her during one of the summers she and her family are living at the KOA, you have to go by the campground and find her.

My niece wears rose-colored glasses because my sister thinks that it improves her view on life.  And she claims to have the Dr Doolittle Ability of talking to animals, and that they talk back.

I'm thinking the weird is in the water or the soil or something...

Well, nearby in Ashland... http://passport2ashland.com/component/mtree/where-to-play/outdoor-recreation-/parks-a-trails/lithia-water.html

So, has your family been in Medford for a long time? If yes, odds are we're related, cousin. :lol: That town is more inbred than the blue-ribbon lineup at a cat show.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:49:44 PM

So, has your family been in Medford for a long time? If yes, odds are we're related, cousin. :lol: That town is more inbred than the blue-ribbon lineup at a cat show.
Since the 1950's, at least.  I was born there in 1961, and my family had been there for at least 10 years before I was born there.  I was actually born in a small hospital in Central Point(that has since burned down), and I currently have family in Medford, Talent, Central Point and Grants Pass.

O, and before that I had family that lived there in the 1880's and 1890's.  Personally, I moved away from the area in 1979 and have only been back for visits.

So yeah, you're probably a cousin in some fashion or another.

the weird gets weirder, hehe.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 10:06:34 PM
Quote from: insideout on February 26, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 09:49:44 PM

So, has your family been in Medford for a long time? If yes, odds are we're related, cousin. :lol: That town is more inbred than the blue-ribbon lineup at a cat show.
Since the 1950's, at least.  I was born there in 1961, and my family had been there for at least 10 years before I was born there.  I was actually born in a small hospital in Central Point(that has since burned down), and I currently have family in Medford, Talent, Central Point and Grants Pass.

O, and before that I had family that lived there in the 1880's and 1890's.  Personally, I moved away from the area in 1979 and have only been back for visits.

So yeah, you're probably a cousin in some fashion or another.

the weird gets weirder, hehe.

Welcome to Discordia.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on February 26, 2013, 10:22:54 PM
I'm a little horrified that there are Bakersfield-y cities anywhere else.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:22:54 PM
I'm a little horrified that there are Bakersfield-y cities anywhere else.

It's not really LIKE Bakersfield, exactly... but it's the closest approximation I could find. It is to Oregon as Bakersfield is to California. One affectionate nickname it goes by is "Methford", but really, that's being too kind.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on February 26, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Which still sounds like Bakersfield to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Which still sounds like Bakersfield to me.

They may well be sister cities.  :lol:

However, Bakersfield is about 4-5 times the size.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on February 26, 2013, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Which still sounds like Bakersfield to me.

They may well be sister cities.  :lol:

However, Bakersfield is about 4-5 times the size.
Oh god. So more banjos and a smaller gene pool.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: insideout on February 26, 2013, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Which still sounds like Bakersfield to me.

They may well be sister cities.  :lol:

However, Bakersfield is about 4-5 times the size.
Oh god. So more banjos and a smaller gene pool.
That's a pretty accurate description, based on what I remember from growing up around there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 26, 2013, 11:29:52 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Quote from: Juana Go? on February 26, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on February 26, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
It's kind of like Bakersfield with dueling banjos.
Which still sounds like Bakersfield to me.

They may well be sister cities.  :lol:

However, Bakersfield is about 4-5 times the size.
Oh god. So more banjos and a smaller gene pool.

I think you're getting the picture!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on March 21, 2013, 04:03:04 AM
FFS, Phoenix... (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Arizona+bill+seeks+bathroom+birth+gender+tussle+over/8124605/story.html)
QuotePHOENIX - One U.S. state lawmaker wants to link public bathroom use to birth certificates in what civil rights advocates call the nation's toughest anti-transgender measure.

The Arizona bill would require people to use public restrooms, dressing rooms or locker rooms associated with the sex listed on their birth certificate or face six months in jail.

The proposal had been scheduled for a committee vote Wednesday, but protesters forced a delay in lawmakers' debate.

With more people identifying as transgender, state and local governments are increasingly banning gender-identity discrimination to ward off legal battles, but both opponents and proponents say the laws don't explicitly demand businesses provide equal access for transgender people. That creates confusion over how businesses must act.

[sniped]

Among those waiting to speak out against the bill on Wednesday was Erica Keppler. She was born a man, but doesn't feel comfortable in men's bathrooms or locker rooms with her earrings, long hair and feminine clothing.

If the measure becomes law, Keppler said, she will be forced to go to jail or expose herself as a transgender woman each time she uses a public bathroom, dressing room or locker room, which could potentially make her vulnerable to threats from men unsettled by her appearance.

"Most transgender people try to slip through public places without being noticed," Keppler said. "This will turn us into criminals."

Transgender people often have a hard time changing the gender on a birth certificate because many states require proof of gender treatment surgery, which is expensive and often not covered by health insurance. Other states, including Idaho and Ohio, do not allow birth certificate changes for gender, according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

Discriminating against transgender people is illegal in at least 16 states. The protections vary. Minnesota prohibits discrimination in employment, housing, education and public accommodations, while Hawaii's law only applies to housing, according to the ACLU.

More than 100 cities and counties have passed laws prohibiting gender-identity discrimination, including Phoenix, Atlanta, New Orleans and Dallas. Those laws are also not uniform.

Some state laws are being tested in court. In one case, a Colorado family filed a complaint with the state's civil rights office after their child, who was born a boy, was prohibited from using the girl's bathroom at her school.

In Arizona, where Republicans control state government, bill sponsor Republican Rep. John Kavanagh said government shouldn't allow people to use facilities based on "you are what you think you are."

"This law simply restores the law of society: Men are men and women are women," he said. "For a handful of people to make everyone else uncomfortable just makes no sense."

Masen Davis, executive director for the Transgender Law Center in San Francisco, said the proposed ban would target people who look different, regardless if they are transgender or not.

"No one should have to live in a world where they have to show their papers to pee," Davis said.
Although LBR, what's with Arizona and requiring papers in general?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 21, 2013, 04:04:01 AM
Well, mostly it's because our state is full of authoritarian proto-Nazis.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2013, 10:03:42 PM
Dude, what the hell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
So how the fuck is a transgendered woman going to make other women uncomfortable in the bathroom, but somehow she won't make men uncomfortable in the bathroom?

The whole "restoring order to society" line makes me want to cut someone.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 22, 2013, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 22, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
So how the fuck is a transgendered woman going to make other women uncomfortable in the bathroom, but somehow she won't make men uncomfortable in the bathroom?

The whole "restoring order to society" line makes me want to cut someone.

You have to be SERIOUS about having a good time, to see the humor in Arizona.

Sometimes I laugh until my wife slaps me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 23, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 22, 2013, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 22, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
So how the fuck is a transgendered woman going to make other women uncomfortable in the bathroom, but somehow she won't make men uncomfortable in the bathroom?

The whole "restoring order to society" line makes me want to cut someone.

You have to be SERIOUS about having a good time, to see the humor in Arizona.

Sometimes I laugh until my wife slaps me.

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2013, 05:59:01 PM
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/11/11876/corrections-corporation-america-used-drug-sweeps-public-school-students

HAW HAW HAW
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 28, 2013, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2013, 05:59:01 PM
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/11/11876/corrections-corporation-america-used-drug-sweeps-public-school-students

HAW HAW HAW

GOOD TIMES.

I feel like the school-to-prison pipeline probably needs its own thread.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on March 29, 2013, 03:16:45 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/)

This can't possibly go wrong...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 29, 2013, 06:40:05 AM
What in sweet gibbering fuck.  This has BAD NEWS!!! written all over it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 29, 2013, 06:41:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 29, 2013, 03:16:45 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/)

This can't possibly go wrong...

We don't actually have much crime.

I think when he says "criminals" he means "smudgy people".

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on March 29, 2013, 06:47:12 AM
Our crime rate is probably not much higher than a lot of other places, true, but we're coming up fast on brain melting, sanity frying, sun baked madness weather.  People are fucking way more batshit this year than they've been in ages. You can smell it all over the city.

Or maybe it's just me, probably.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 29, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
Murder rates traditionally go up during heat waves, IIRC.

ETS: Or maybe that's just Houston. Houston is an aberration. */obvious*
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 30, 2013, 12:27:08 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 29, 2013, 03:16:45 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/)

This can't possibly go wrong...

:lol:

OH GODDAMMIT.

QuoteMcClusky, a failed mayoral candidate, likened gun violence to "saying spoons are responsible for making people fat," even though armed citizens rarely stop violent crime, and their intervention can cause danger and bloodshed.

WHAT IS THE DEAL with these alleged "journalists" COMPLETELY MURDERING not only the English language, but the very concept of communicating meaning?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on March 30, 2013, 12:33:05 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 30, 2013, 12:27:08 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 29, 2013, 03:16:45 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/27/1780641/tuscon-gun-giveaway/)

This can't possibly go wrong...

:lol:

OH GODDAMMIT.

QuoteMcClusky, a failed mayoral candidate, likened gun violence to "saying spoons are responsible for making people fat," even though armed citizens rarely stop violent crime, and their intervention can cause danger and bloodshed.

WHAT IS THE DEAL with these alleged "journalists" COMPLETELY MURDERING not only the English language, but the very concept of communicating meaning?

Absentee editors. Shit like that happens when you start one sentence and have to rework it into something else and forget to check it over afterwards, editors are supposed to catch that shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on March 30, 2013, 12:34:39 AM
Quote from: stelz on March 29, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
Murder rates traditionally go up during heat waves, IIRC.

ETS: Or maybe that's just Houston. Houston is an aberration. */obvious*

Houston Heat + Bath Salts and 4 Loko.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 30, 2013, 03:26:44 AM
Quote from: /b/earman on March 30, 2013, 12:34:39 AM
Quote from: stelz on March 29, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
Murder rates traditionally go up during heat waves, IIRC.

ETS: Or maybe that's just Houston. Houston is an aberration. */obvious*

Houston Heat + Bath Salts and 4 Loko.

"It's too hot to sleep, Imma take a walk OSHI- MY FAAAAAAAAAAAACE..."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on March 31, 2013, 02:34:22 AM
Quote from: Juana Go? on March 21, 2013, 04:03:04 AM
FFS, Phoenix... (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Arizona+bill+seeks+bathroom+birth+gender+tussle+over/8124605/story.html)
QuotePHOENIX - One U.S. state lawmaker wants to link public bathroom use to birth certificates in what civil rights advocates call the nation's toughest anti-transgender measure.

The Arizona bill would require people to use public restrooms, dressing rooms or locker rooms associated with the sex listed on their birth certificate or face six months in jail.

Although LBR, what's with Arizona and requiring papers in general?

And here's the variation that passed the house appropriations committee: (http://www.ibtimes.com/everything-you-should-know-about-arizonas-controversial-transgender-bathroom-bill-1159763)
QuoteMore than 200 LGBT protesters showed up to a seven-hour public hearing on the bill in an effort to prevent them from passing the measure, the NY Daily News reports.

In response to the criticism, Kavanagh has retooled large portions of the bill in order to appease the LGBT community, but it has not sated opponents of the measure. Under the new version of the "bathroom bill," business owners would be free to make their own discriminatory rules for private bathrooms and locker rooms, forcing transgendered customers to either use facilities they do not identify with or seek another restroom.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on April 26, 2013, 09:07:00 PM

http://www.alternet.org/gender/jackass-day-arizona-university-sermonizes-sign-saying-you-deserve-rape (http://www.alternet.org/gender/jackass-day-arizona-university-sermonizes-sign-saying-you-deserve-rape)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Wow, at my school he would have been expelled.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Wow, at my school he would have been expelled.

While he's an unmitigated shithead, I don't agree with that, on the grounds of free speech applying even to demented waterheads.

Besides, he's a caricature, a joke.  He's turning the rape culture into the sort of thing you'd see in a dunk tank.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Wow, at my school he would have been expelled.

While he's an unmitigated shithead, I don't agree with that, on the grounds of free speech applying even to demented waterheads.

Besides, he's a caricature, a joke.  He's turning the rape culture into the sort of thing you'd see in a dunk tank.

It falls under our general harassment and hate speech policy, which we agree to when we apply to be students there.

Personally, as a woman I really appreciate how much more pleasant it is to walk around on campus than it is to walk down a city sidewalk. No catcalls, no inappropriate comments about my body or my clothes. It's kind of nice to feel safe.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Wow, at my school he would have been expelled.

While he's an unmitigated shithead, I don't agree with that, on the grounds of free speech applying even to demented waterheads.

Besides, he's a caricature, a joke.  He's turning the rape culture into the sort of thing you'd see in a dunk tank.

It falls under our general harassment and hate speech policy, which we agree to when we apply to be students there.

Personally, as a woman I really appreciate how much more pleasant it is to walk around on campus than it is to walk down a city sidewalk. No catcalls, no inappropriate comments about my body or my clothes. It's kind of nice to feel safe.

I have precisely zero argument with any of that, on account of the bolded section.

I just get all jittery when people get silenced, no matter what kind of shitheels they are.  In the case of your school, though, there is a condition agreed to upon enrollment, which is a different situation, as it is voluntary.



Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2013, 10:05:21 PM
The policy was proposed by the student council, FWIW. Campus is a hate-free zone, with the idea being that all students have the right to pursue an education in a respectful environment, regardless of their age, gender, appearance, disability, etc.

I quite like it. There are plenty of places where people can go to be complete shitnecks to other people, including any public sidewalk. It's a nice refuge from a shitty shitty world. The fact that I don't have to deal with hatred or harassment from people like this guy while I'm trying to learn means a lot to me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
Wow, at my school he would have been expelled.

While he's an unmitigated shithead, I don't agree with that, on the grounds of free speech applying even to demented waterheads.

Besides, he's a caricature, a joke.  He's turning the rape culture into the sort of thing you'd see in a dunk tank.

It falls under our general harassment and hate speech policy, which we agree to when we apply to be students there.

Personally, as a woman I really appreciate how much more pleasant it is to walk around on campus than it is to walk down a city sidewalk. No catcalls, no inappropriate comments about my body or my clothes. It's kind of nice to feel safe.

I have precisely zero argument with any of that, on account of the bolded section.

I just get all jittery when people get silenced, no matter what kind of shitheels they are.  In the case of your school, though, there is a condition agreed to upon enrollment, which is a different situation, as it is voluntary.

Yeah, and it's not just passively voluntary, but something students asked for.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 10:05:21 PM
The policy was proposed by the student council, FWIW. Campus is a hate-free zone, with the idea being that all students have the right to pursue an education in a respectful environment, regardless of their age, gender, appearance, disability, etc.

I quite like it. There are plenty of places where people can go to be complete shitnecks to other people, including any public sidewalk. It's a nice refuge from a shitty shitty world. The fact that I don't have to deal with hatred or harassment from people like this guy while I'm trying to learn means a lot to me.

I can agree whole-heartedly with that, because sometimes (like when you're going to take a test, etc), you don't want to deal with some loudmouth asshole out to show you a thing or two.

In Arizona, though, they frown on that sort of thing on campuses.  Telling professors what they can and cannot say is oki doki, but stopping some whackjob from harassing people is dangerously liberal.

I am in favor of said shitheads being allowed to jabber in public areas, though, on principle.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 10:07:06 PM
Yeah, and it's not just passively voluntary, but something students asked for.

The right I support is simply that you can't be arrested for speaking your mind in public areas. 

Again, different thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2013, 10:11:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 26, 2013, 10:09:06 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 26, 2013, 10:05:21 PM
The policy was proposed by the student council, FWIW. Campus is a hate-free zone, with the idea being that all students have the right to pursue an education in a respectful environment, regardless of their age, gender, appearance, disability, etc.

I quite like it. There are plenty of places where people can go to be complete shitnecks to other people, including any public sidewalk. It's a nice refuge from a shitty shitty world. The fact that I don't have to deal with hatred or harassment from people like this guy while I'm trying to learn means a lot to me.

I can agree whole-heartedly with that, because sometimes (like when you're going to take a test, etc), you don't want to deal with some loudmouth asshole out to show you a thing or two.

In Arizona, though, they frown on that sort of thing on campuses.  Telling professors what they can and cannot say is oki doki, but stopping some whackjob from harassing people is dangerously liberal.

I am in favor of said shitheads being allowed to jabber in public areas, though, on principle.

Oh, Arizona!  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 27, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
Interesting to note that "Brother Jed" has a symbiotic relationship with the Arizona atheist and skeptics:

QuoteHis visits often mark the year's highest recruitment times for local Atheist and Skeptics groups. Many  milk the opportunity by hosting Brother Jed Bingo.  In these games, listeners are given bingo cards with words on it that regularly appear in his narrative and those who fill their cards out first win a prize.

Seems to be seeking negative attention.  Especially given he is OK with having his picture taken (http://actuallyamazingatheist.tumblr.com/post/48885708189/satanic2chainz-knittedlampshade) while holding a copy of a 1928 book called Nigger to Nigger
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 01:09:34 AM
STATE IS BROKE?  WHAT DO?

Oh, yeah.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/06/10/arizona-lawmakers-to-review-prison-expansion-project/

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 11, 2013, 02:10:22 AM
 :x :x :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 11, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 01:09:34 AM
STATE IS BROKE?  WHAT DO?

Oh, yeah.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/06/10/arizona-lawmakers-to-review-prison-expansion-project/

:lulz:

FUCKING FUCK. :crankey:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 04:25:25 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 11, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 01:09:34 AM
STATE IS BROKE?  WHAT DO?

Oh, yeah.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/06/10/arizona-lawmakers-to-review-prison-expansion-project/

:lulz:

FUCKING FUCK. :crankey:

$500,000,000 to build 500 bed facility.  Schools closing.  Amurrika.
\
:winner:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 11, 2013, 04:39:03 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 04:25:25 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 11, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 01:09:34 AM
STATE IS BROKE?  WHAT DO?

Oh, yeah.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/06/10/arizona-lawmakers-to-review-prison-expansion-project/

:lulz:

FUCKING FUCK. :crankey:

$500,000,000 to build 500 bed facility.  Schools closing.  Amurrika.
\
:winner:

Well, they're going to need somewhere to put all those unemployed kids.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on June 11, 2013, 02:25:06 PM
Mailbags won't sew themselves.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 11, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Seems like you guys are hell bent on making Escape from New York a real thing :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 11, 2013, 03:16:51 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 11, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Seems like you guys are hell bent on making Escape from New York a real thing :lulz:

That movie was so optimistic that it makes me puke.

It's turning into Brazil up in this shit.  I mean the movie, not that country next to Mexico.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 17, 2013, 06:19:40 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/17/19003391-supreme-court-strikes-down-arizona-law-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-to-vote?lite
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Bruno on June 17, 2013, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 26, 2013, 09:07:00 PM

http://www.alternet.org/gender/jackass-day-arizona-university-sermonizes-sign-saying-you-deserve-rape (http://www.alternet.org/gender/jackass-day-arizona-university-sermonizes-sign-saying-you-deserve-rape)

He needs to be surrounded by about a hundred students holding signs that say "You Deserve Murder."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on June 17, 2013, 11:30:18 PM
http://nbclatino.com/2013/05/25/judge-joe-arpaios-office-profiled-latinos (http://nbclatino.com/2013/05/25/judge-joe-arpaios-office-profiled-latinos)

Sane people all over Arizona (and many people outside Arizona) did not need an actual court to tell them that Joe Arpaio's Maricopa County Sheriff's Office was a heap of racist scumbags. But because there are fewer of these sane people in Arizona than would be required to actually do something about it, the court's decision came anyway.

MCSO has, for the time being, halted its practice of harassing everyone with questionably dark skin in South Phoenix. This will not last, of course, but at least it's a sign that Arpaio has finally met a legal reality he is not completely comfortable with ignoring. For now.

Also importantly, the tone of MCSO's communications of late have softened somewhat. For example, they are no longer "hunting down and arresting illegal immigrants," because part of the court decision reported on in the link above was that local law enforcement has no business enforcing federal immigration law. MCSO has instead transitioned to the kinder, more gentle practice of "rescuing border crossers in the desert." Mind you, rescuing these people can be dangerous with all the scorpions and snakes out there, so the rescue workers need to be fully armed. And they'll be wearing MCSO uniforms because otherwise the border crossers might not understand how serious they are about rescuing them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:04:58 AM
There are no sane people "all over Arizona".  Only in the Southern bits.  GOD'S COUNTRY.

The rest of you bastards gave us THIS:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/30369/large/brewer-e1360676352919-1.jpg?1367356265)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 18, 2013, 02:19:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:04:58 AM
There are no sane people "all over Arizona".  Only in the Southern bits.  GOD'S COUNTRY.

The rest of you bastards gave us THIS:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/30369/large/brewer-e1360676352919-1.jpg?1367356265)

Why does she look like a dessicated 60's groupie?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: stelz on June 18, 2013, 02:19:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:04:58 AM
There are no sane people "all over Arizona".  Only in the Southern bits.  GOD'S COUNTRY.

The rest of you bastards gave us THIS:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/30369/large/brewer-e1360676352919-1.jpg?1367356265)

Why does she look like a dessicated 60's groupie?

She OD'd on town hall face.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:28:42 AM
NOT EVEN ONCE, KIDS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 18, 2013, 05:01:41 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: stelz on June 18, 2013, 02:19:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2013, 02:04:58 AM
There are no sane people "all over Arizona".  Only in the Southern bits.  GOD'S COUNTRY.

The rest of you bastards gave us THIS:

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/30369/large/brewer-e1360676352919-1.jpg?1367356265)

Why does she look like a dessicated 60's groupie?

She OD'd on town hall face.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on June 18, 2013, 05:08:46 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/032d029e52cf8674234a2ec4955d0d4d/tumblr_mokm56NB401stlwo7o1_500.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 18, 2013, 05:38:10 AM
Quote from: Don Coyote on June 18, 2013, 05:08:46 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/032d029e52cf8674234a2ec4955d0d4d/tumblr_mokm56NB401stlwo7o1_500.png)

I love this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Only in Tucson...

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tacks-on-bike-paths-endanger-tucson-cyclists/#_

Booby traps on bike paths.

This just started happening again today, apparently.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 26, 2013, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Only in Tucson...

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tacks-on-bike-paths-endanger-tucson-cyclists/#_

Booby traps on bike paths.

This just started happening again today, apparently.

Inevitable end result; whoever's doing it will get caught and the living shit beaten out of them, bicyclists will be cast as dangerous psychotics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on June 26, 2013, 08:05:55 AM
Further logical result - Bikes must be banned.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 26, 2013, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Only in Tucson...

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tacks-on-bike-paths-endanger-tucson-cyclists/#_

Booby traps on bike paths.

This just started happening again today, apparently.

Inevitable end result; whoever's doing it will get caught and the living shit beaten out of them, bicyclists will be cast as dangerous psychotics.

Maybe, maybe not.  But this is the city that weaponized bike paths.

SUCK IT, PDX!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 26, 2013, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 26, 2013, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Only in Tucson...

http://www.kvoa.com/news/tacks-on-bike-paths-endanger-tucson-cyclists/#_

Booby traps on bike paths.

This just started happening again today, apparently.

Inevitable end result; whoever's doing it will get caught and the living shit beaten out of them, bicyclists will be cast as dangerous psychotics.

Maybe, maybe not.  But this is the city that weaponized bike paths.

SUCK IT, PDX!

:lulz: Tucson: One step closer to Thunderdome.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 01, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/01/19224279-perfect-storm-wildfire-raging-in-arizona-claims-19-men-in-elite-unit?lite&GT1=43001

:sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on July 01, 2013, 05:34:30 PM
Heard about that one this morning.  Awful. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on July 01, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 01, 2013, 05:34:30 PM
Heard about that one this morning.  Awful.

They had their shelters set up, the whole works.  Looks like when the wind changed, they didn't even have time to get that far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 02, 2013, 06:11:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 01, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/01/19224279-perfect-storm-wildfire-raging-in-arizona-claims-19-men-in-elite-unit?lite&GT1=43001

:sad:

So, so sad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 08, 2013, 03:57:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/obama-protesters-arizona_n_3719050.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

You stay classy, Phoenix.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 08, 2013, 04:20:18 AM
Do they even know what they want to impeach him FOR? Or is it just for being half-black?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 08, 2013, 11:42:59 AM
For being a half-black Kenyan Muslim usurper.  Obviously.

Also something something Obama organized Benghazi something something Bill Ayers something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 08, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 08, 2013, 03:57:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/obama-protesters-arizona_n_3719050.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

You stay classy, Phoenix.

I'm telling you, it's all the solar radiation around here. People aren't this dumb without an explanation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 08, 2013, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: V3X on August 08, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 08, 2013, 03:57:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/obama-protesters-arizona_n_3719050.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

You stay classy, Phoenix.

I'm telling you, it's all the solar radiation around here. People aren't this dumb without an explanation.

Arizona is the retirement center for po'buckers.

What did you think was going to happen?

Also, I love that the Arizona teabagger is a pony-tailed dude in sandals.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 09, 2013, 07:12:01 AM
Quote from: Osama Bin Login on August 08, 2013, 03:57:46 PM
Quote from: V3X on August 08, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 08, 2013, 03:57:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/07/obama-protesters-arizona_n_3719050.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

You stay classy, Phoenix.

I'm telling you, it's all the solar radiation around here. People aren't this dumb without an explanation.

Arizona is the retirement center for po'buckers.

What did you think was going to happen?

Also, I love that the Arizona teabagger is a pony-tailed dude in sandals.  :lulz:

They would confuse the SHIT out of Portland if they came here... although, come to think of it, I think the crossover between "hippie" and "Libertarian" is QUITE HIGH.

AH DON'T WANT THE GUBMINT TELLIN ME WHUT TA DO
PUTTIN  FLUORIDE IN MAH WATER SUPPLY
REGULATIN MAH MEDICINES
ENFORCIN MAH BUILDIN CODES
MAKIN ME VACCINATE MAH KIDS
MAKIN ME REGISTER MAH VEHICLES AN PUTTIN EM THRU DEQ
FORCIN ME TO ABIDE BY THEIR HEALTH CODES
TELLIN ME HOW TO LIVE MAH LIFE

Oh shit, epiphany; Libertarians are hippies!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on August 09, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

Hippies don't have any money so how can hippies buy economic libertarianism?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 09, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

I feel amaze that I didn't realize this until now!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on August 09, 2013, 05:15:15 PM
I just remembered that Quantum Touch guy. Cain wins!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 09, 2013, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: /b/earman on August 09, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

Hippies don't have any money so how can hippies buy economic libertarianism?

They don't have money because The Man is keeping them down with his cheap-ass honkey Keynesianism.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 09, 2013, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: YOUR Social Science Thinkmonkey on August 09, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

I feel amaze that I didn't realize this until now!

It's a pretty explicit strategy by the larger libertarian groups.

And it makes a good deal of sense.  Hippies and libertarians generally agree on social issues to a large extent, and on foreign policy.  The main difference is economics, with most hippies coming from a heterodox socialist or anarchist background.  So it's simply a matter of showing how "true capitalism", as opposed to corrupted, insider-dealing, statist backed Actually Existing Capitalism is a revolutionary advance capable of meeting the utopian goals many hippies have.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 10, 2013, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: YOUR Social Science Thinkmonkey on August 09, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

I feel amaze that I didn't realize this until now!

It's a pretty explicit strategy by the larger libertarian groups.

And it makes a good deal of sense.  Hippies and libertarians generally agree on social issues to a large extent, and on foreign policy.  The main difference is economics, with most hippies coming from a heterodox socialist or anarchist background.  So it's simply a matter of showing how "true capitalism", as opposed to corrupted, insider-dealing, statist backed Actually Existing Capitalism is a revolutionary advance capable of meeting the utopian goals many hippies have.

It makes PERFECT sense.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2013, 06:44:24 AM
Quote from: YOUR Social Science Thinkmonkey on August 10, 2013, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: YOUR Social Science Thinkmonkey on August 09, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

I feel amaze that I didn't realize this until now!

It's a pretty explicit strategy by the larger libertarian groups.

And it makes a good deal of sense.  Hippies and libertarians generally agree on social issues to a large extent, and on foreign policy.  The main difference is economics, with most hippies coming from a heterodox socialist or anarchist background.  So it's simply a matter of showing how "true capitalism", as opposed to corrupted, insider-dealing, statist backed Actually Existing Capitalism is a revolutionary advance capable of meeting the utopian goals many hippies have.

It makes PERFECT sense.

Also, gives aging hippies an excuse to turn into selfish bastards, if that's how they're aging.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on August 12, 2013, 05:46:11 AM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: YOUR Social Science Thinkmonkey on August 09, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
They are.  Quite often literally.

A lot of libertarian rhetoric is designed to appeal to social libertarianism (so, hippies), while selling economic libertarianism.

I feel amaze that I didn't realize this until now!

It's a pretty explicit strategy by the larger libertarian groups.

And it makes a good deal of sense.  Hippies and libertarians generally agree on social issues to a large extent, and on foreign policy.  The main difference is economics, with most hippies coming from a heterodox socialist or anarchist background.  So it's simply a matter of showing how "true capitalism", as opposed to corrupted, insider-dealing, statist backed Actually Existing Capitalism is a revolutionary advance capable of meeting the utopian goals many hippies have.

I've read some of the stuff that Center for a Stateless Society puts out and a lot of it is exactly this. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 12, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Yeah, though I would say at least the C4SS is sincere about it.  They're left-libertarians and mutualist anarchists, so that is actually what they believe.

Whereas, for instance, the libertarian "opposition" to the drug war is really aiming to put it under the control of the individual states, as part of a process of dismantling the federal government to the state level.  Kevin Carson probably cares that people are put in jail for a prohibitionist policy...I somehow doubt the Koch brothers do.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on August 15, 2013, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.

I love you Cain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.

The big, bad government?  And they took HELP from it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on August 15, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.

The big, bad government?  And they took HELP from it?

Of course they're Christian Anarchists.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 15, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.

OH, NO, HE'LL HAVE TO FIND WORK!  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 15, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 15, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 15, 2013, 12:58:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/15/christians-pacific-voyage-rescue-kiribati

QuoteAn Arizona family who set sail for the tiny island of Kiribati to escape abortion, homosexuality and "the state-controlled church" in the US are back home after their boat foundered in the Pacific.

Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said she and her husband, Sean, 30, had "decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us" when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego in May.

But after storms damaged the boat and left them drifting for weeks they had to be rescued by a Venezuelan fishing vessel, and were then transferred to a Japanese cargo ship and taken to Chile.

Sean Gastonguay told KTVK-TV he would now have to find work to repay the $10,000 the family borrowed from the US State Department to fly home.

OH, NO, HE'LL HAVE TO FIND WORK!  :lulz:

THANKS, OBAMA
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on August 15, 2013, 07:52:53 PM
That is such a great story, I almost don't believe it

If we move forward with this freepressgazette project, we need more libertarian horror stories. Stories where people get theirs in the end.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
Oh, Arizona.

http://www.kpho.com/story/23144988/ariz-legislators-ask-obama-to-reconsider-fire-aid

QuotePHOENIX (AP) - Key Arizona legislators are asking President Barack Obama to reconsider his administration's denial of the state's request for federal disaster relief for Yarnell for the Yavapai County community's wildfire damage.

The Yarnell Hill Fire that killed 19 members of a Prescott firefighting crew on June 30 swept through much of Yarnell the same day, burning more than 100 homes.

The joint letter by House Speaker Andy Tobin and Minority Leader Chad Campbell cites the property damage and statements of support from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency denied Gov. Jan Brewer's request for a disaster declaration on Friday.

So now they need Obama all of a sudden?  And why is this, you ask?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarnell,_Arizona

QuoteThe racial makeup of the CDP was 96.90% White, 0.16% Black or African American, 0.16% Native American, 0.16% Pacific Islander, 1.09% from other races, and 1.55% from two or more races. 1.86% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 09:12:13 PM
For those of you unfamiliar with GOD'S COUNTRY, Green Valley is just South of Tucson, and it's where we stuff crazy people and ancient retired rock "stars" who have gone right wing in their senile years.

It's also where "taking a 3 year old out shooting" is considered to be a rational act.

http://www.kpho.com/story/23125745/ariz-man-accidentally-shot-in-buttocks-by-son

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
And suddenly & without warning, Sheriff Joe.

http://www.kpho.com/story/23110412/maricopa-sheriffs-posse-resumes-school-patrols

QuoteArmed and uniformed posse volunteers in marked sheriff's vehicles patrol outside and in the vicinity of elementary, middle and high schools in the sheriff's jurisdiction.

Yes, Sheriff Joe's untrained pet Nazis are once again roaming just off school grounds, loaded for bear.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 15, 2013, 09:28:32 PM
More Sheriff Joe:

http://www.kpho.com/story/23088834/arpaio-arms-deputies-with-ar-15-style-rifles

QuotePHOENIX (AP) - Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is providing each of his patrol deputies with a semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle, and has ordered them to carry a weapon at all times, even when they're off duty.

For those of you who are Godless gun-grabbers or Euro-types, an AR15 is a semi-automatic variant of the M16 assault rifle used by the US military.  From a law enforcement point of view, it's sort of like swatting a fly with a ball peen hammer.  You might even get the fly, but the living room is going to be fucked up when you're done.

Further:

QuoteThe sheriff also announced Thursday that each of his patrol deputies must carry a firearm with them at all times to be able to combat crime even when they aren't on duty.

Arpaio says "we live in a violent society," and he wants his officers to have "enough firepower to fight back."

Which doesn't sound TOO unreasonable, until you remember that Sheriff Joe defines "violent" as "possessing brown skin".  He's been having a field day since the Zimmerman verdict.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on August 16, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
 :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on August 16, 2013, 06:56:34 PM
QuoteFor those of you who are Godless gun-grabbers or Euro-types, an AR15 is a semi-automatic variant of the M16 assault rifle used by the US military.  From a law enforcement point of view, it's sort of like swatting a fly with a ball peen hammer.  You might even get the fly, but the living room is going to be fucked up when you're done.

I just googled a couple of videos to get an idea of what "fucked up" might entail.

I'm guessing that the idea is that you show you're willing to not only stop the bad guy breathing, you're willing to stop anyone in the general area breathing as collateral damage. I'm not particularly up on arms, but is there a more reasonable substitute? I'm assuming no guns is not an option. Handguns seem to cause more fatalities overall so i'd guess that rules them out too. Anything non-lethal might not stop a shooter, so that's out.

Pretty much, after you start ruling shit out, it does seem like you're left with stupid automatic weapons or grenades.

A future where guns are banned and grenades are legal could be interesting. Some kind of non-lethal grenades might actually work.



Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20390206-unwanted-adopted-children-traded-online-in-underground-network?lite

OH GOD

I HAVE MET NICHOLE EASON.

:horrormirth:

ETA:  She wasn't using that name, but it's her.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20390206-unwanted-adopted-children-traded-online-in-underground-network?lite

OH GOD

I HAVE MET NICHOLE EASON.

:horrormirth:

ETA:  She wasn't using that name, but it's her.

JESUS FUCK

"Rehoming" adopted children??? Who are these monsters?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: EK WAFFLR on September 10, 2013, 07:20:09 PM
What the fuck!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20390206-unwanted-adopted-children-traded-online-in-underground-network?lite

OH GOD

I HAVE MET NICHOLE EASON.

:horrormirth:

ETA:  She wasn't using that name, but it's her.

JESUS FUCK

"Rehoming" adopted children??? Who are these monsters?

I'm getting the fear.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
QuoteTo legally take custody of a child through the U.S. foster care system, prospective parents undergo criminal background checks, home inspections, and in most states, dozens of hours of training. After placement, social workers visit the family regularly to ensure the child is safe.
In informal private re-homings, none of that happens. The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions, which often involve foreign children. By not involving child welfare authorities in the custody transfers, parents can bypass some of the most basic but time-consuming government safeguards meant to protect children.

The levels and scale of potential abuse here is staggering. Can anyone else say "trafficking"? Because I bet this shit gets used for that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
QuoteTo legally take custody of a child through the U.S. foster care system, prospective parents undergo criminal background checks, home inspections, and in most states, dozens of hours of training. After placement, social workers visit the family regularly to ensure the child is safe.
In informal private re-homings, none of that happens. The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions, which often involve foreign children. By not involving child welfare authorities in the custody transfers, parents can bypass some of the most basic but time-consuming government safeguards meant to protect children.

The levels and scale of potential abuse here is staggering. Can anyone else say "trafficking"? Because I bet this shit gets used for that.

If you read the whole article, that's why the lady that started this shit fled in abject horror.  Because that's exactly what occurred.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 10, 2013, 07:30:48 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Just finished it. Wow.

QuoteThe experience with the Easons persuaded Exon to stop moderating the re-homing bulletin board immediately. "I felt like maybe we were doing something wrong," she says. "I didn't want to be a part of it anymore."

NO SHIT?

Makes you wonder about what the European version is like. There must be one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 10, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Makes you wonder about what the European version is like. There must be one.

Marc Dutroux. 

If Roger doesn't object, I have my copy of the above-mentioned book with me, and can throw out a few quotes, or we can take the discussion to another thread.

That's exactly who I was thinking about. I can't recall offhand if that reached into adoption, but considering it, it must have. The ties to the UK were pretty solid as well as bordering nations. It's got to be at least a link in the overall chain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Makes you wonder about what the European version is like. There must be one.

Marc Dutroux. 

If Roger doesn't object, I have my copy of the above-mentioned book with me, and can throw out a few quotes, or we can take the discussion to another thread.

No, go right ahead and post it here if you like.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 07:47:32 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20390206-unwanted-adopted-children-traded-online-in-underground-network?lite

OH GOD

I HAVE MET NICHOLE EASON.

:horrormirth:

ETA:  She wasn't using that name, but it's her.

JESUS FUCK

"Rehoming" adopted children??? Who are these monsters?

I'm getting the fear.

Yep, I've got it bad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
QuoteTo legally take custody of a child through the U.S. foster care system, prospective parents undergo criminal background checks, home inspections, and in most states, dozens of hours of training. After placement, social workers visit the family regularly to ensure the child is safe.
In informal private re-homings, none of that happens. The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions, which often involve foreign children. By not involving child welfare authorities in the custody transfers, parents can bypass some of the most basic but time-consuming government safeguards meant to protect children.

The levels and scale of potential abuse here is staggering. Can anyone else say "trafficking"? Because I bet this shit gets used for that.

If you read the whole article, that's why the lady that started this shit fled in abject horror.  Because that's exactly what occurred.

I can't even imagine STARTING such a group. I mean, it literally never occurred to me that such a thing might exist for any purpose OTHER than as a human trafficking black market. "Hm, I think I'll start a group for connecting unwanted children with new homes; one that is completely off the official radar and has no screening or other legal interventions in place whatsoever. What could go wrong?"

I mean, really? I'm sure she meant well but REALLY? Jesus wept.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
QuoteTo legally take custody of a child through the U.S. foster care system, prospective parents undergo criminal background checks, home inspections, and in most states, dozens of hours of training. After placement, social workers visit the family regularly to ensure the child is safe.
In informal private re-homings, none of that happens. The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions, which often involve foreign children. By not involving child welfare authorities in the custody transfers, parents can bypass some of the most basic but time-consuming government safeguards meant to protect children.

The levels and scale of potential abuse here is staggering. Can anyone else say "trafficking"? Because I bet this shit gets used for that.

If you read the whole article, that's why the lady that started this shit fled in abject horror.  Because that's exactly what occurred.

I can't even imagine STARTING such a group. I mean, it literally never occurred to me that such a thing might exist for any purpose OTHER than as a human trafficking black market. "Hm, I think I'll start a group for connecting unwanted children with new homes; one that is completely off the official radar and has no screening or other legal interventions in place whatsoever. What could go wrong?"

I mean, really? I'm sure she meant well but REALLY? Jesus wept.

Stupidity =/= evil, even if the results are the same.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
QuoteTo legally take custody of a child through the U.S. foster care system, prospective parents undergo criminal background checks, home inspections, and in most states, dozens of hours of training. After placement, social workers visit the family regularly to ensure the child is safe.
In informal private re-homings, none of that happens. The online bulletin boards have emerged as a do-it-yourself way for parents to quietly end adoptions, which often involve foreign children. By not involving child welfare authorities in the custody transfers, parents can bypass some of the most basic but time-consuming government safeguards meant to protect children.

The levels and scale of potential abuse here is staggering. Can anyone else say "trafficking"? Because I bet this shit gets used for that.

If you read the whole article, that's why the lady that started this shit fled in abject horror.  Because that's exactly what occurred.

I can't even imagine STARTING such a group. I mean, it literally never occurred to me that such a thing might exist for any purpose OTHER than as a human trafficking black market. "Hm, I think I'll start a group for connecting unwanted children with new homes; one that is completely off the official radar and has no screening or other legal interventions in place whatsoever. What could go wrong?"

I mean, really? I'm sure she meant well but REALLY? Jesus wept.

Stupidity =/= evil, even if the results are the same.

This is true. I am just sometimes amazed at the possible levels of stupidity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
This is true. I am just sometimes amazed at the possible levels of stupidity.

Working where I do, I have given up trying to find the limits of human stupidity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.

What the crap?  Knowing you, I don't expect you filed for "Healthy White Baby, list of requirements forthcoming".  You'd think the state would be happy to find stable homes for their wards.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.

What the crap?  Knowing you, I don't expect you filed for "Healthy White Baby, list of requirements forthcoming".  You'd think the state would be happy to find stable homes for their wards.

That would depend entirely on the economics of the state. I would strongly suspect some places to have incentives to not let children be adopted as it would cause a drop in revenue. Would it surprise you to see "Sheriff Joe's Orphanage"? These kind of places have been traditionally good money makers. It's just like old folks homes. It's a very vulnerable group with few rights, fewer advocates and no real concern to anyone beyond the affected.

There was a mention of foreign children in there too, so add a language barrier and past a certain age the child is almost totally fucked and in care until thrown on the streets.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:32:33 PM
Holy shit.

Cain, I'm going to have to come back to this when I'm on my A game (tomorrow, most likely, I am beat to shit).  That's some horror right there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:36:44 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.

What the crap?  Knowing you, I don't expect you filed for "Healthy White Baby, list of requirements forthcoming".  You'd think the state would be happy to find stable homes for their wards.

Nope, we specifically wanted hard-to-place kids, so we were seeking a sibling group of up to three kids, any race, drug-affected OK. I think our only restrictions were 1. no fetal alcohol syndrome and 2. no severe developmental problems.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.

What the crap?  Knowing you, I don't expect you filed for "Healthy White Baby, list of requirements forthcoming".  You'd think the state would be happy to find stable homes for their wards.

That would depend entirely on the economics of the state. I would strongly suspect some places to have incentives to not let children be adopted as it would cause a drop in revenue. Would it surprise you to see "Sheriff Joe's Orphanage"? These kind of places have been traditionally good money makers. It's just like old folks homes. It's a very vulnerable group with few rights, fewer advocates and no real concern to anyone beyond the affected.

There was a mention of foreign children in there too, so add a language barrier and past a certain age the child is almost totally fucked and in care until thrown on the streets.

UGH that makes being turned down make more sense. If we'd had more money we would simply have hired a lawyer, but being young and working-class that wasn't an option.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
QuoteEven assuming overlapping abusers (ie; belonging to multiple groups and responsible for multiple acts), what I immediately take away from this is that child exploitation is far more prevalent and ingrained than I ever imagined.

I've been thinking something similar since you put me on to Dutroux, there's a lot going on here and it's not good.

Quote• "[A]bout 10% of the children we encountered are trafficked internationally."
• "Most internationally trafficked children are the citizens of developing countries located in Asia, Africa, Central and South America, and Central and Eastern Europe."

QuoteThe University's researchers also discovered "approximately 10% of pimps in the U.S. are tied into international sex crime networks."

These are substantial percentages. That's a lot of fucked up kids at best. Dead kids would not be uncommon either. The human cost here is sickening.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Unfortunately, Portland is also a major hub for human trafficking. It's a major problem.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/portlands_role_as_hub_of_child.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
You can't just... DIVEST yourself of children. Children are forever.

Unless they're an accessory or something.

The one family dumped the kid because he had big feet and funny ears.  FFS.

It makes me wonder how the hell they qualified to adopt in the first place. Who is running this circus?

I for one WELCOME my new AI overlords. They have to do a better job of this than we are.

You know, my ex and I were turned down for state adoption? Although we had just bought a house, we were too young and didn't make enough money.

What the crap?  Knowing you, I don't expect you filed for "Healthy White Baby, list of requirements forthcoming".  You'd think the state would be happy to find stable homes for their wards.

That would depend entirely on the economics of the state. I would strongly suspect some places to have incentives to not let children be adopted as it would cause a drop in revenue. Would it surprise you to see "Sheriff Joe's Orphanage"? These kind of places have been traditionally good money makers. It's just like old folks homes. It's a very vulnerable group with few rights, fewer advocates and no real concern to anyone beyond the affected.

There was a mention of foreign children in there too, so add a language barrier and past a certain age the child is almost totally fucked and in care until thrown on the streets.

UGH that makes being turned down make more sense. If we'd had more money we would simply have hired a lawyer, but being young and working-class that wasn't an option.

It's just another charming part of the prison pipeline. At some point the Orphanage(Blanket term) can't make cash from you anymore so get on the street and find a job and a house. Result? You're off on the path to petty offences and a shit future without some serious luck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.

If you could, I'd appreciate it. No rush, it's more to see how accurate my gut feeling was on this. I also suspect things are going to get much worse for this group and the overall numbers rising due to austerity knock on effects. I won't try and predict results beyond "not good". The more I think about this kind of stuff, the worse the implications get.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 11, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.

If you could, I'd appreciate it. No rush, it's more to see how accurate my gut feeling was on this. I also suspect things are going to get much worse for this group and the overall numbers rising due to austerity knock on effects. I won't try and predict results beyond "not good". The more I think about this kind of stuff, the worse the implications get.

Numbers are vague in places because, well, homeless. But the breakdown from the current numbers is that about  one-third of a percent of the homeless youth in a given year come from foster care; roughly 6000 of the 1.7 million total. It has been higher in the past; last time I looked at the numbers it was two-thirds of a percent. Still quite a small part of the total.

http://www.nchcw.org/uploads/7/5/3/3/7533556/crs_2013_rhya_history_and_lit_review.pdf

This has a lot more accessibly presented figures but the percentage of runaways from foster homes isn't among them: http://www.nn4youth.org/system/files/FactSheet_Unacompanied_Youth_0.pdf
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Aucoq on September 11, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
I think you just destroyed my soul with those quotes, Cain.  Those poor fucking children.  God damn. . .
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 11, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: What The Fox Say on September 11, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.

If you could, I'd appreciate it. No rush, it's more to see how accurate my gut feeling was on this. I also suspect things are going to get much worse for this group and the overall numbers rising due to austerity knock on effects. I won't try and predict results beyond "not good". The more I think about this kind of stuff, the worse the implications get.

Numbers are vague in places because, well, homeless. But the breakdown from the current numbers is that about  one-third of a percent of the homeless youth in a given year come from foster care; roughly 6000 of the 1.7 million total. It has been higher in the past; last time I looked at the numbers it was two-thirds of a percent. Still quite a small part of the total.

http://www.nchcw.org/uploads/7/5/3/3/7533556/crs_2013_rhya_history_and_lit_review.pdf

This has a lot more accessibly presented figures but the percentage of runaways from foster homes isn't among them: http://www.nn4youth.org/system/files/FactSheet_Unacompanied_Youth_0.pdf

YOU'RE WELCOME. I mean, it's not like I had anything else to do besides look for the numbers and sources for you, no need to thank me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 11, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
Quote from: What The Fox Say on September 11, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: What The Fox Say on September 11, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.

If you could, I'd appreciate it. No rush, it's more to see how accurate my gut feeling was on this. I also suspect things are going to get much worse for this group and the overall numbers rising due to austerity knock on effects. I won't try and predict results beyond "not good". The more I think about this kind of stuff, the worse the implications get.

Numbers are vague in places because, well, homeless. But the breakdown from the current numbers is that about  one-third of a percent of the homeless youth in a given year come from foster care; roughly 6000 of the 1.7 million total. It has been higher in the past; last time I looked at the numbers it was two-thirds of a percent. Still quite a small part of the total.

http://www.nchcw.org/uploads/7/5/3/3/7533556/crs_2013_rhya_history_and_lit_review.pdf

This has a lot more accessibly presented figures but the percentage of runaways from foster homes isn't among them: http://www.nn4youth.org/system/files/FactSheet_Unacompanied_Youth_0.pdf

YOU'RE WELCOME. I mean, it's not like I had anything else to do besides look for the numbers and sources for you, no need to thank me.

Sorry, busy day. Started going over the more accessible one a while ago, it is appreciated.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 11, 2013, 09:52:39 PM
Also, interesting stats:
Quote• More than one third of homeless youth engage in survival sex. (Ray, 2006)
• 162,000 homeless youth are estimated to be victims of commercial sexual exploitation in the United
States. (Estes & Weiner, 2001)

With this kind of stuff the real number is usually much higher. So that's some alarming numbers there.

QuoteThe prevalence of sexual abuse ranges from 21% to 70% in some studies. Abuse and trauma are
further compounded by survival sex and other victimization. (YouthCare, Inc., 1998)
• According to YouthCare studies of a homeless youth sample, 33% had been in foster care, 51% had
been physically abused, and 60% of girls and 23% of boys had been sexually abused. (YouthCare,
Inc., 1998)
• In November 2002, the Department of Health and Human Services reported that between 21% and
40% of runaway youth had been sexually abused, compared to between 1% and 3% of the general
youth population. (American Civil Liberties Union, 2003)

Assuming no significant shifts, that's another angle on the checks. There's a vast established likehood of abuse, there's a significant chance the child has already suffered abuse so how much do you trust joe applicant? Enough to potentially risk your job if shit goes wrong?

That said, modern world and that, I would also assume there to be mandatory re-homing targets. Got to have some fresh faces, change the beds. I'd guess the troublesome kids would be those preferentially placed in those kind of situations.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 11, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 11, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
Quote from: What The Fox Say on September 11, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: What The Fox Say on September 11, 2013, 12:10:09 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Quote from: Facemeat on September 10, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 10, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 10, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
Ron Wyden seems to be one of the good guys in the Senate, so it is reassuring to see he is, at the very least, aware of these issues.

Also noted this:

QuoteSlightly more than 49 percent of victims have an affiliation with gangs, which have discovered that exploiting children for commercial sex acts is more lucrative than running drugs or guns, Marshall said.

Obviously some of that cost is due to the inherently illegal and morally reprehensible nature of the act.  But beyond that, it also suggests demand and a market.

The question becomes then, trying to determine the size and demand in that market. I'm betting the answer to both is "scarily larger than you thought".


Also, Nigel, not sure if you could easily find stats, but I'd bet serious cash that the majority of homeless teens are orphans and/or have bad experiences in care.

Most of them have been "kicked out" (throwaways) or run away from their homes of origin. A very high proportion of kids in long-term foster care also run away but they don't make up the majority of street youth. Most runaways come from homes where there was abuse.

Best friend works with homeless youth, I spent last year working with kids in foster care, I could dig up statistics pretty easily if you want them.

If you could, I'd appreciate it. No rush, it's more to see how accurate my gut feeling was on this. I also suspect things are going to get much worse for this group and the overall numbers rising due to austerity knock on effects. I won't try and predict results beyond "not good". The more I think about this kind of stuff, the worse the implications get.

Numbers are vague in places because, well, homeless. But the breakdown from the current numbers is that about  one-third of a percent of the homeless youth in a given year come from foster care; roughly 6000 of the 1.7 million total. It has been higher in the past; last time I looked at the numbers it was two-thirds of a percent. Still quite a small part of the total.

http://www.nchcw.org/uploads/7/5/3/3/7533556/crs_2013_rhya_history_and_lit_review.pdf

This has a lot more accessibly presented figures but the percentage of runaways from foster homes isn't among them: http://www.nn4youth.org/system/files/FactSheet_Unacompanied_Youth_0.pdf

YOU'RE WELCOME. I mean, it's not like I had anything else to do besides look for the numbers and sources for you, no need to thank me.

Sorry, busy day. Started going over the more accessible one a while ago, it is appreciated.

Thank you, sorry for being snarky about it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 11, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 11, 2013, 09:52:39 PM
Also, interesting stats:
Quote• More than one third of homeless youth engage in survival sex. (Ray, 2006)
• 162,000 homeless youth are estimated to be victims of commercial sexual exploitation in the United
States. (Estes & Weiner, 2001)

With this kind of stuff the real number is usually much higher. So that's some alarming numbers there.

QuoteThe prevalence of sexual abuse ranges from 21% to 70% in some studies. Abuse and trauma are
further compounded by survival sex and other victimization. (YouthCare, Inc., 1998)
• According to YouthCare studies of a homeless youth sample, 33% had been in foster care, 51% had
been physically abused, and 60% of girls and 23% of boys had been sexually abused. (YouthCare,
Inc., 1998)
• In November 2002, the Department of Health and Human Services reported that between 21% and
40% of runaway youth had been sexually abused, compared to between 1% and 3% of the general
youth population. (American Civil Liberties Union, 2003)

Assuming no significant shifts, that's another angle on the checks. There's a vast established likehood of abuse, there's a significant chance the child has already suffered abuse so how much do you trust joe applicant? Enough to potentially risk your job if shit goes wrong?

That said, modern world and that, I would also assume there to be mandatory re-homing targets. Got to have some fresh faces, change the beds. I'd guess the troublesome kids would be those preferentially placed in those kind of situations.

Yes, it is horrible and dismal and grim.

What do you mean by "re-homing targets"?

Usually, in Oregon, kids who are known to be difficult are only placed with experienced foster parents. At least that's the ideal. Unfortunately, there is usually a shortage of foster parents and many of the experienced ones (I'd say about half) are the people who have figured out that if they have enough foster kids it'll pay for that remodel or that big house in the suburbs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 12, 2013, 08:27:38 AM
By Rehoming targets I'm thinking something along the lines of group carers must place X% of children with applicants during Y period. That would kind of work with what you were saying about the remodeling stuff. The staff probably don't want to place any kid with joe scumbag, but they either do or get their funding cut/some other penalty. Basically think about how you would turn an orphanage into a corporation with the kids as assets. If it's not already happening, I bet it's coming.

I'll be starting on the first link today, I had a quick scan and I think it's going to take me a while to sift through it properly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2013, 02:53:37 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on September 12, 2013, 08:27:38 AM
By Rehoming targets I'm thinking something along the lines of group carers must place X% of children with applicants during Y period. That would kind of work with what you were saying about the remodeling stuff. The staff probably don't want to place any kid with joe scumbag, but they either do or get their funding cut/some other penalty. Basically think about how you would turn an orphanage into a corporation with the kids as assets. If it's not already happening, I bet it's coming.

I'll be starting on the first link today, I had a quick scan and I think it's going to take me a while to sift through it properly.

Ahhh. I think you are radically misunderstanding the foster care system in the US. We don't have orphanages anymore, we have the Department of Human Services, which is (under)staffed by social workers and volunteers. Foster homes are private individuals who are approved by the State. Foster parents receive a per-child stipend which is supposed to cover care and feeding, just under $600/month I believe. The State pays for therapy and medical care. Most foster homes can take in only one or two children, or a sibling group, while others (the group homes) can have up to 12.

While this system SOUNDS great, it has a lot of failings, and children still receive abuse and neglect at the hands of foster parents, as well as being moved often from home to home, which is very hard on the kids. There is a severe shortage of available foster parents. 

I spent one year working for the Regional Research Institute for Human Services, which works with foster kids and others who fall under the human services umbrella, such as people who are disabled, to try to investigate avenues for improving the standard of care and outcomes for these groups.

If my non-PD internet wasn't broken right now I would try to find some information that would give you a better picture of how things really work, but it's borked. Maybe it will be working tomorrow.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2013, 02:56:16 AM
This is a VERY different subject from the "rehoming" groups, which appear to be adoptive parents abandoning children illegally in order to evade legal responsibility for the child. That is, in effect, part of the human trafficking black market.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2013, 03:04:10 AM
This is, of course, also different from the question of the proportion of "orphans", or youth in state care, who are homeless, which is about 6 out of every 1700 homeless youth. About 5% of youth in state care are runaways at some point during their oversight by the state, which is over twice the rate of runaways as the general population. However, it is estimated that up to a quarter of youth in foster care will experience homelessness after aging out of foster care, which is atrocious.

Please, however, do not inadvertently misconstrue that to mean that 25% of homeless people are kids who aged out of foster care, because the total number of kids in foster care is so much smaller than the total number of kids in the US. It is an unacceptably huge proportion of foster kids, but an insignificantly small proportion of the total homeless population.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 13, 2013, 08:17:27 AM
Nigel, appreciate the breakdown and background. Like most things, I need to read more now. A lot more. Thanks!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2013, 07:23:41 PM
You are welcome!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 13, 2013, 07:35:52 PM
Here's a couple of tenuous links to finish this off, I'll probably start a thread on this at some point. Questions are forming. Anyway:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/social-work-in-the-tenderloin-will-kill-something-inside-of-you
QuoteThe Tenderloin is widely acknowledged as the most hellish neighbourhood in San Francisco. Out of the city's ten most violent crime plots, the Tenderloin is home to seven. Recent stats estimate the neighbourhood has an average of three major crimes per hour, including one-third of the city's drug offences, with a yearly mean of two crimes per resident. The population is made up of more than 6,000 homeless people and contains one-fourth of the city's HIV-positive drug users. Filthy sidewalks and vacant buildings peppered with single-occupancy hotel rooms provide a home to all levels of drugs and prostitution.

My friend Lorian has been employed as a social worker in the Tenderloin for several years now. Her tweets about it (things like: "today: 4 dead clients, 1 murdered provider, 1 client defecated in the lobby, 1 dead dog, & 1 facebook friend posted pictures of nachos.") got me curious as to what her job is like. She was kind enough to answer some of my questions.

Brings up a couple of interesting points in the Q+A. I understand that this is at the extreme end of the scale but it helps personalise the numbers.

From today, how the UK is currently dealing with the problem:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/getting-to-grips-with-londons-homelessness-epidemic

Quote...his thirst for this quest seems to have deserted him. In fact, the number of people sleeping rough has pretty much doubled since 2008, to the point where 6,437 people did so in London last year.

Quotegiven further austerity cuts, a clampdown on squatting, soaring rent prices and the despised bedroom tax, you can't imagine things looking any less dismal when the figures come in for 2013.

Of course, the problem isn't confined to London. Nationally, 53,540 families are homeless – a five-year high that should make you feel pretty low. New figures show that the number of families shelved away into emergency, council-funded B&B accommodation is the highest it's been for ten years. And the whole of Manchester and Salford, a place with a homelessness problem so bad that people have been found living in caves,

Caves? Yes indeed:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/scandal-greater-manchesters-hidden-homeless-4303590

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 13, 2013, 07:54:51 PM
This could probably use its own homelessness thread.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 13, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Roger OK'd this. Until I hear otherwise I considering that as a living will.

But yes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 04, 2013, 06:21:35 PM
http://www.kpho.com/story/23609067/suit-over-ariz-race-sex-abortion-ban-dismissed

QuotePHOENIX (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed two civil rights groups' lawsuit challenging an Arizona law banning abortions based on the race or sex of the child.

U.S. District Judge David G. Campbell's ruling Thursday says the NAACP's Maricopa County branch and the National Asian Pacific American Women's Forum don't have legal standing to sue.

The law makes it a felony to knowingly provide a sex- or race-based abortion.

The groups contended that the law unconstitutionally singles out Asian and black women based on stereotypes and the sponsors' beliefs that Asian and black women may choose an abortion because of race or the baby's sex.

Did a little reading on this.

If a white man rapes a black woman, this law can be used to prevent an abortion.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 04, 2013, 06:24:00 PM
In more humorous news:

QuotePHOENIX (AP) - Arizona's Republican leaders are known for picking fights with the federal government. But they're seething again now that the Grand Canyon is closed because of the budget crisis in Washington. Gov. Jan Brewer wants park reopened and has offered to pay for it with state money. But her proposal was rejected yesterday by a park official who said that as long as the federal government remains shut down, such a plan isn't an option.

Bear in mind that our legislature was among the loudest of those screaming "SHUT IT DOWN".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on October 04, 2013, 06:32:07 PM
Hey, didn't Sherrif Joe get dick slapped recently?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 04, 2013, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 04, 2013, 06:32:07 PM
Hey, didn't Sherrif Joe get dick slapped recently?

Yep.  Not very effectively, though.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-524ccaa4/turbine/la-na-nn-joe-arpaio-discrimination-20131002-001/600)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on October 04, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 04, 2013, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 04, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
Going by his expression in that picture, I'd have to disagree.  Looks like he got slapped by a angry, bitter tasting hand.

Um, dude...That's his normal look.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 04:57:53 PM
Arizona now taxing people for use of sunlight.

http://www.kpho.com/story/23968318/arizona-regulators-could-adopt-higher-solar-rates

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 14, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Annnnnd Arizona wins stunning victory in the War Against Women.

http://www.kpho.com/story/23959479/arizona-man-gets-probation-in-sexual-assault-case
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on November 14, 2013, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on September 10, 2013, 07:03:13 PM
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20390206-unwanted-adopted-children-traded-online-in-underground-network?lite

OH GOD

I HAVE MET NICHOLE EASON.

:horrormirth:

ETA:  She wasn't using that name, but it's her.

:x :x :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Our illustrious governor has abolished Child Protective Services.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

Not that I entirely disagree with this, after all they did fail to investigate 6,000 reports of possible child abuse. Can't tell yet if this makes sense or of it's a baby vs. bathwater situation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on January 15, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Our illustrious governor has abolished Child Protective Services.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

Not that I entirely disagree with this, after all they did fail to investigate 6,000 reports of possible child abuse. Can't tell yet if this makes sense or of it's a baby vs. bathwater situation.

Everybody hates CPS, they yank kids from some people for the stupidest nit-picky shit while letting other people beat theirs to death, but this looks like the REALLY REALLY wrong way to fix that. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Reginald Ret on January 15, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 15, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Our illustrious governor has abolished Child Protective Services.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

Not that I entirely disagree with this, after all they did fail to investigate 6,000 reports of possible child abuse. Can't tell yet if this makes sense or of it's a baby vs. bathwater situation.

Everybody hates CPS, they yank kids from some people for the stupidest nit-picky shit while letting other people beat theirs to death, but this looks like the REALLY REALLY wrong way to fix that.
This sounds like complete overkill. I approve.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on January 15, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: :regret: on January 15, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 15, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Our illustrious governor has abolished Child Protective Services.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

Not that I entirely disagree with this, after all they did fail to investigate 6,000 reports of possible child abuse. Can't tell yet if this makes sense or of it's a baby vs. bathwater situation.

Everybody hates CPS, they yank kids from some people for the stupidest nit-picky shit while letting other people beat theirs to death, but this looks like the REALLY REALLY wrong way to fix that.
This sounds like complete overkill. I approve.

Arizona is interesting, like watching building demolition or volcano eruptions. I can see why Roger loves it so.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 15, 2014, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: :regret: on January 15, 2014, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 15, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 15, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
Our illustrious governor has abolished Child Protective Services.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/14/jan-brewer-dissolves-cps/

Not that I entirely disagree with this, after all they did fail to investigate 6,000 reports of possible child abuse. Can't tell yet if this makes sense or of it's a baby vs. bathwater situation.

Everybody hates CPS, they yank kids from some people for the stupidest nit-picky shit while letting other people beat theirs to death, but this looks like the REALLY REALLY wrong way to fix that.
This sounds like complete overkill. I approve.

Arizona is interesting, like watching building demolition or volcano eruptions. I can see why Roger loves it so.  :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Arizona explains to you, in no uncertain terms, the relationship between entropy and yourself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 21, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
A one-two punch.

One:
A veteran state lawmaker is pushing legislation that would allow businesses to discriminate against gays — and maybe even women and Jews — as long as they were acting on sincerely held religious beliefs. (http://www.svherald.com/content/howard-fischer-capitol-media-services/2014/01/14/365889)

Two:
A teacher in Mesa, Arizona is facing a pile of charges after he reportedly forced a six-year-old to remove her shirt as a means of punishment, then made her sit naked from the waist up in class. (http://jezebel.com/male-teacher-punishes-six-year-old-girl-by-making-her-r-1504863403)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 21, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
A one-two punch.

One:
A veteran state lawmaker is pushing legislation that would allow businesses to discriminate against gays — and maybe even women and Jews — as long as they were acting on sincerely held religious beliefs. (http://www.svherald.com/content/howard-fischer-capitol-media-services/2014/01/14/365889)

Two:
A teacher in Mesa, Arizona is facing a pile of charges after he reportedly forced a six-year-old to remove her shirt as a means of punishment, then made her sit naked from the waist up in class. (http://jezebel.com/male-teacher-punishes-six-year-old-girl-by-making-her-r-1504863403)

You will notice that both of these things occurred north of Casa Grande.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 21, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
I preferred it when everything was on fire.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 09:01:23 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 21, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
I preferred it when everything was on fire.

It is.  South of Casa Grande.

Everything to the South of Casa Grande is weird, unruly, some might even say unnatural.

Everything North of Casa Grande is fucking evil.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 21, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
They don't call it "The Big House" for nothing.







...It should be plainly obvious I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 21, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
They don't call it "The Big House" for nothing.







...It should be plainly obvious I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Casa Grande is a flyspeck excuse for a city that is on I-10, roughly halfway between Phoenix and Tucson.  We in the South consider it North, and those in Phoenix consider it South.  We all hate Casa Grande, almost as much as we (Tucson & Phoenix) hate each other...And Casa Grande hates us back.

The only good thing to be said about Casa Grande is the ostrich farm, from which ostriches occasionally escape.  The vegetation here doesn't agree with them, and they go berserk for 1-4 weeks before dying.  But before they die, they are basically velociraptors on crack.  No humans have been killed by one, though, a fact which bitterly disappoints me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on January 21, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
That is far cooler than it has any right to be.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 21, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
That is far cooler than it has any right to be.

It's Arizona.  It's lethal in every way you can think of, but also cool. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 09:41:06 PM
But then

BUT THEN

BUT THEN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/arizona-frat-mlk-party-suspended
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 21, 2014, 09:54:32 PM
Wow. Arizona just keeps it coming.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 21, 2014, 09:54:32 PM
Wow. Arizona just keeps it coming.

The state is cool as fuck.  Weirdness everywhere.

But the PEOPLE.  Jesus H Christ.

HOWEVER, you will notice that ASU is ALSO North of Casa Grande.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2014, 11:07:56 PM
As a person who is North of Casa Grande, I would love nothing more than to object to Roger's characterization of this half of the state.

But I can't, because he is right.

Everyone up here is awful. Even our small business owners are awful. Everyone. Including me. Just rotten and evil from the very deepest point of the soul.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:09:50 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:07:56 PM
As a person who is North of Casa Grande, I would love nothing more than to object to Roger's characterization of this half of the state.

But I can't, because he is right.

Everyone up here is awful. Even our small business owners are awful. Everyone. Including me. Just rotten and evil from the very deepest point of the soul.

James could have been a regular person.

Won't you please help?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
The only thing tethering me to reality is the fact that I spent 3 years in Tucson myself, therefore poisoning the pit of my being with its weirdness and ruining it for Sheriff Joe. I'm damaged goods to his bunch, sure, but I'm still buried under five tons of them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
The only thing tethering me to reality is the fact that I spent 3 years in Tucson myself, therefore poisoning the pit of my being with its weirdness and ruining it for Sheriff Joe. I'm damaged goods to his bunch, sure, but I'm still buried under five tons of them.

You'll be back.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on January 21, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
Arizona is scary, man.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
The only thing tethering me to reality is the fact that I spent 3 years in Tucson myself, therefore poisoning the pit of my being with its weirdness and ruining it for Sheriff Joe. I'm damaged goods to his bunch, sure, but I'm still buried under five tons of them.

You'll be back.

I can feel it in my bones. Every once in a while I find myself out of cat videos to watch on Youtube and end up browsing Craigslist job postings in Tucson, without consciously meaning to. Eventually I'll find one, and then I'll be on my way. It's only a matter of time.

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on January 21, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
Arizona is scary, man.

"Scary" falls somewhat short. In my brief 32 years, here are some things that I have *I swear to Christ* seen, in Arizona:

- A moth, as large as a doorknob. ON a doorknob, so I know I'm not making this shit up.
- A normal black fly. Normal, in all respects, except that it was as big as my six-year-old fist. Fuck the laws of physics, that shit was absolutely real.
- An out of body experience induced by the smell of average red latex paint.

And then there are the things that aren't even weird.
- Every single creature in the desert is weaponized, including what you'd normally think of as "prey" animals. Jackrabbits can kill you, as in kill you dead.
- We build bridges over rivers that have been bone dry for a thousand years.
- We build regular ground-level streets through rivers that look dry until the rainy season wipes them out once every decade.
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.
- Our cell phone towers are disguised as palm trees and cacti, because we want the convenience of the 21st century, but we want to pretend it's still 1860.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on January 22, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.

When Sheriff Joe finally croaks, there will be ten worse guys to take his place. It always happens like that: "George Wallace is dead! That old racist generation is dying out and things are going to change for the better now!"

NOPE. If you think it's bad now, wait ten or fifteen years.

Arizona is also the place where tiny little tornados come and pick up four-by-fours and whirl them around for a just second before disappearing. When you walk past piles of crap, there's always a chance something could float up and brain you.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 22, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.

When Sheriff Joe finally croaks, there will be ten worse guys to take his place. It always happens like that: "George Wallace is dead! That old racist generation is dying out and things are going to change for the better now!"

NOPE. If you think it's bad now, wait ten or fifteen years.

Arizona is also the place where tiny little tornados come and pick up four-by-fours and whirl them around for a just second before disappearing. When you walk past piles of crap, there's always a chance something could float up and brain you.

I disagree.  Sheriff Joe is the last of the dinosaurs.  When he's gone, all that will be left is small & annoying birds.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on January 22, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 22, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 22, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.

When Sheriff Joe finally croaks, there will be ten worse guys to take his place. It always happens like that: "George Wallace is dead! That old racist generation is dying out and things are going to change for the better now!"

NOPE. If you think it's bad now, wait ten or fifteen years.

Arizona is also the place where tiny little tornados come and pick up four-by-fours and whirl them around for a just second before disappearing. When you walk past piles of crap, there's always a chance something could float up and brain you.

I disagree.  Sheriff Joe is the last of the dinosaurs.  When he's gone, all that will be left is small & annoying birds.

This. Of course, it should not be construed to mean that Arizona will cease to be weird, or that Phoenix will cease to be filled with jackals.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 22, 2014, 12:51:00 AM
Quote from: V3X on January 22, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 22, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 22, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.

When Sheriff Joe finally croaks, there will be ten worse guys to take his place. It always happens like that: "George Wallace is dead! That old racist generation is dying out and things are going to change for the better now!"

NOPE. If you think it's bad now, wait ten or fifteen years.

Arizona is also the place where tiny little tornados come and pick up four-by-fours and whirl them around for a just second before disappearing. When you walk past piles of crap, there's always a chance something could float up and brain you.

I disagree.  Sheriff Joe is the last of the dinosaurs.  When he's gone, all that will be left is small & annoying birds.

This. Of course, it should not be construed to mean that Arizona will cease to be weird, or that Phoenix will cease to be filled with jackals.

No, we'll find a totally new way to be horrible.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Ben Shapiro on January 22, 2014, 10:36:03 AM
I'm having a hard on for Arizona now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on January 22, 2014, 04:55:44 PM
Edit: Oops, meant to post in "Random New Stories".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Random Probability on January 23, 2014, 06:48:06 PM
Quote from: Tiddleywomp Cockletit on January 22, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: V3X on January 21, 2014, 11:35:33 PM
- Sheriff Joe goes around in the wilderness putting up little white crosses to remind undocumented immigrants how dead they ought to be.

Yep.

When Sheriff Joe finally croaks, there will be ten worse guys to take his place. It always happens like that: "George Wallace is dead! That old racist generation is dying out and things are going to change for the better now!"

NOPE. If you think it's bad now, wait ten or fifteen years.

Arizona is also the place where tiny little tornados come and pick up four-by-fours and whirl them around for a just second before disappearing. When you walk past piles of crap, there's always a chance something could float up and brain you.

See?  Even our airis weaponized!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2014, 07:05:48 PM
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/01/25/sheriff-joe-arpaio-38-arizona-inmates-to-eat-only-bread-water-for-one-week-due-to-unpatriotic-acts/

QuoteSheriff Joe Arpaio is doling out a harsh punishment to 38 prisoners who he considers 'unpatriotic' because they allegedly defaced American flags which were placed in their cells. Arpaio is putting them on a diet of bread and water for one week.

For their alleged unpatriotic acts, Arpaio said, they will be given just bread and water for sustenance.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Salty on January 27, 2014, 07:11:25 PM
Jesus.

Is this guy trying extra hard to get into heaven or what?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on January 27, 2014, 08:23:41 PM
I'm sure bread and water is going to make them much more patriotic. Taking bets as to which nations.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on January 27, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
Dude is aware that burning a flag is 1st amendment protected speech, right?

I'm sure he's relying on the fact that they "destroyed jail property" to apply these consequences.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Telarus on January 27, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
Dude is aware that burning a flag is 1st amendment protected speech, right?

I'm sure he's relying on the fact that they "destroyed jail property" to apply these consequences.

He doesn't care.  He could burn babies in the maternity ward and the yahoos would cheer him on.

What he set out to do here was be brutal in a visible way.

For his public.

This is the state in which I live.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 28, 2014, 05:57:51 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 27, 2014, 07:05:48 PM
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/01/25/sheriff-joe-arpaio-38-arizona-inmates-to-eat-only-bread-water-for-one-week-due-to-unpatriotic-acts/

QuoteSheriff Joe Arpaio is doling out a harsh punishment to 38 prisoners who he considers 'unpatriotic' because they allegedly defaced American flags which were placed in their cells. Arpaio is putting them on a diet of bread and water for one week.

For their alleged unpatriotic acts, Arpaio said, they will be given just bread and water for sustenance.

Is this guy EVER going to be taken to court for his bullshit? He should have been imprisoned four years ago.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on January 28, 2014, 06:01:13 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 27, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Telarus on January 27, 2014, 09:07:30 PM
Dude is aware that burning a flag is 1st amendment protected speech, right?

I'm sure he's relying on the fact that they "destroyed jail property" to apply these consequences.

He doesn't care.  He could burn babies in the maternity ward and the yahoos would cheer him on.

What he set out to do here was be brutal in a visible way.

For his public.

This is the state in which I live.

He probably made sure they ran completely out of toilet paper before he had the flags distributed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 29, 2014, 03:25:46 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 28, 2014, 05:57:51 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 27, 2014, 07:05:48 PM
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/01/25/sheriff-joe-arpaio-38-arizona-inmates-to-eat-only-bread-water-for-one-week-due-to-unpatriotic-acts/

QuoteSheriff Joe Arpaio is doling out a harsh punishment to 38 prisoners who he considers 'unpatriotic' because they allegedly defaced American flags which were placed in their cells. Arpaio is putting them on a diet of bread and water for one week.

For their alleged unpatriotic acts, Arpaio said, they will be given just bread and water for sustenance.

Is this guy EVER going to be taken to court for his bullshit? He should have been imprisoned four years ago.

No.  Eric Holder started to go after him for corruption, but wussed out.  Sheriff Joe could use Hispanics as firewood and nobody would do shit to him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on February 21, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
Not to be outdone by Kansas, guess who just sent a "Gays Not Allowed" bill to their govenor? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/gay-rights-groups-oppose-religious-protection-bill-22606884)

And check it:  It's anti-discrimination!

QuoteSen. Steve Yarbrough, a Republican from Chandler, says the bill is to protect people's rights. "This bill is not about discrimination," Yarbrough said. "It's about preventing discrimination against people who are clearly living out their faith."

"We all have the right to our religious beliefs," Gallardo maintained. "But I do not agree that we have the right to discriminate because of our religious beliefs. I do not believe we have to throw our religious beliefs to others that don't share our same beliefs."

Someone needs to update this song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 21, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 21, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
Not to be outdone by Kansas, guess who just sent a "Gays Not Allowed" bill to their govenor? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/gay-rights-groups-oppose-religious-protection-bill-22606884)

And check it:  It's anti-discrimination!

QuoteSen. Steve Yarbrough, a Republican from Chandler, says the bill is to protect people's rights. "This bill is not about discrimination," Yarbrough said. "It's about preventing discrimination against people who are clearly living out their faith."

"We all have the right to our religious beliefs," Gallardo maintained. "But I do not agree that we have the right to discriminate because of our religious beliefs. I do not believe we have to throw our religious beliefs to others that don't share our same beliefs."

Someone needs to update this song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFOb_f7ubw)

If it's from Chandler, it's probably not going anywhere.  A bill introduced in Phoenix, Tempe, Scottsdale, or Mesa would be a different story.

Besides, none of that shit is enforceable any farther South than Casa Grande. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on February 25, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
I don't usually get into these posts which are like WATCH ANDERSON COOPER ABSOLUTELY DESTROY A BIGOT AND KICK HIM IN THE NUTS type things,

but Cooper really kicks Arizona State Senator Al Melvin's ass, leaves him speechless and stammering a few times. Cooper actually gets the guy to claim that there is no discrimination AT ALL in Arizona. He just makes the guy look so dumb by asking basic questions, it's very satisfying to watch.

http://www.thegailygrind.com/2014/02/25/anderson-cooper-destroys-arizonas-bigoted-gop-state-senator-defending-religious-anti-gay-law/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 11, 2014, 03:44:12 AM
http://politicalblindspot.com/cop-pulls-gun-on-gas-station-clerk/

QuoteA Tuscon Police Officer recently pulled a gun on a gas station clerk. The officer, Kyle James McCartin, was in a drunken rage when he walked into a Giant Gas Station wearing only a bullet proof vest for a shirt. Almost immediately, he began pointing his pistol at the gas station clerk.

Authorities say that they received calls about this incident and dispatched deputies to the Giant Gas Station. There, they learned that two men had entered the store wearing bullet proof vests. One had indeed pulled out a handgun, as they had been informed on the 911 call, and pointed it at the clerk twice.

But apart from what the deputies discovered, the entire incident was caught on the gas station's surveillance camera, so there can be little white-washing of the drunken cops' actions.

The video is linked.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 11, 2014, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 11, 2014, 03:44:12 AM
http://politicalblindspot.com/cop-pulls-gun-on-gas-station-clerk/

QuoteA Tuscon Police Officer recently pulled a gun on a gas station clerk. The officer, Kyle James McCartin, was in a drunken rage when he walked into a Giant Gas Station wearing only a bullet proof vest for a shirt. Almost immediately, he began pointing his pistol at the gas station clerk.

Authorities say that they received calls about this incident and dispatched deputies to the Giant Gas Station. There, they learned that two men had entered the store wearing bullet proof vests. One had indeed pulled out a handgun, as they had been informed on the 911 call, and pointed it at the clerk twice.

But apart from what the deputies discovered, the entire incident was caught on the gas station's surveillance camera, so there can be little white-washing of the drunken cops' actions.

The video is linked.

This was a while ago.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 01, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
Using a stun-gun on the son of Clive Bundy is just like Tianneman Square....according to the Arizona Tea Party icon,  Arizona State Rep. Kelly Townsend.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/bundy-vs-blm-interest-cattle-dispute-widens

Quote"Watching that video last night created a visceral reaction in me," Townsend told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. "It sounds dramatic, but it reminded me of Tiananmen Square. I don't recognize my country at this point."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2014, 06:24:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 01, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
Using a stun-gun on the son of Clive Bundy is just like Tianneman Square....according to the Arizona Tea Party icon,  Arizona State Rep. Kelly Townsend.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/bundy-vs-blm-interest-cattle-dispute-widens

Quote"Watching that video last night created a visceral reaction in me," Townsend told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. "It sounds dramatic, but it reminded me of Tiananmen Square. I don't recognize my country at this point."

Meanwhile, the Bundyshirts are pouring lighter fluid around reporters.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on May 01, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
That's different, because government doesn't exist and blacks were better off as slaves.  Or something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2014, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 01, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
That's different, because government doesn't exist and blacks were better off as slaves.  Or something.

And freedom of the press is for commies, who should be torched in the street.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 01, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 01, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
Using a stun-gun on the son of Clive Bundy is just like Tianneman Square....according to the Arizona Tea Party icon,  Arizona State Rep. Kelly Townsend.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/bundy-vs-blm-interest-cattle-dispute-widens

Quote"Watching that video last night created a visceral reaction in me," Townsend told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. "It sounds dramatic, but it reminded me of Tiananmen Square. I don't recognize my country at this point."

I uhhhhhhh

really?

Wow.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
We don't fuck around in Arizona, when it comes to having our little moments.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10423966_10152240322166359_2875812437279474567_n.jpg?oh=d68a0f0570848df974a62c988313ebb3&oe=54320305&__gda__=1412298362_5d3b5bb12a005bc3c78148505f05e63e)

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/mesa/fd-2-dead-in-3-vehicle-mesa-crash
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 09, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Holy fuck.  :eek:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2014, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: The Right Reverend Nigel on June 09, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Holy fuck.  :eek:

"And there ain't no fuckin' around."
- Busta Rhymes
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on August 28, 2014, 02:51:59 AM
Oh, GREAT.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/6069541/did-arizona-turn-over-its-counterterrorism-database-to-a-chinese-spy
QuoteSHERIFF JOE ARPAIO SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED TO COVER UP THE BREACH
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2014, 04:03:52 AM
Quote from: Telarus on August 28, 2014, 02:51:59 AM
Oh, GREAT.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/26/6069541/did-arizona-turn-over-its-counterterrorism-database-to-a-chinese-spy
QuoteSHERIFF JOE ARPAIO SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED TO COVER UP THE BREACH

Nothing will happen to him.  Nothing at all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Telarus on August 28, 2014, 06:02:00 AM
 :thanks: :fnord: :whack:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on September 17, 2014, 10:50:13 AM
The dead walk the earth:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/2014/09/13/arizona-counties-tally-ballots-voters/15591999/

QuoteVoter turnout during last month's primary races was a little too good in some counties, Arizona elections officials said Friday.

Some precincts in northern Arizona tallied more ballots cast than there are registered voters, the Arizona Capitol Times reported. According to officials, errors made by poll workers and elections officials in Apache and Navajo counties led to the miscalculations. Initial reports from some precincts showed a turnout of anywhere from 200 to 400 percent.

In Apache County, the Puerco West precinct reportedly had 100 votes cast, but only 23 voters are registered there. The voter turnout added up to 434 percent. Similarly, the Fort Defiance precinct cited 1,046 ballots cast though only 357 voters reside there. As a result, turnout was shown to be 293 percent.

Everything you have heard about Arizona is true.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on September 17, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
Weird that when Republicans start freaking out about "voter supression fraud", they don't talk about this...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 17, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Bracing for "Historic" weather in the storm which has just hit.

Our state officials are ignoring it and jabbering about Sheriff Joe's proteges.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 17, 2014, 10:38:24 PM
"Errors".

One thing that is rarely spoken of is that while VOTE fraud is common, VOTER fraud is very rare.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on October 14, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
http://www.koco.com/national/obama-headstone-turns-heads-for-halloween/29115148

QuoteKarl Klomp is known for his extravagant seasonal decor, and this time the Phoenix man let his political views inspire his work.

He's got a headstone for President Barack Obama.

QuoteKlomp's neighbors said they're used to his decorations.

Quote"Back in November of 2012 there, when they were doing the reelection, he was supposed to not get reelected. I'm a Republican, I don't make no hiding of that,"

"Klomp" is now my new shorthand for teabillies.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Johnny on October 15, 2014, 09:05:17 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on October 14, 2014, 03:38:59 PM
http://www.koco.com/national/obama-headstone-turns-heads-for-halloween/29115148

QuoteKarl Klomp is known for his extravagant seasonal decor, and this time the Phoenix man let his political views inspire his work.

He's got a headstone for President Barack Obama.

QuoteKlomp's neighbors said they're used to his decorations.

Quote"Back in November of 2012 there, when they were doing the reelection, he was supposed to not get reelected. I'm a Republican, I don't make no hiding of that,"

"Klomp" is now my new shorthand for teabillies.

#1 civilian candidate  for October's watchlist
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 23, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
Arizona HB2625 is back.

In short, an employer can fire a woman for taking slut pills.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2014, 02:56:20 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 23, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
Arizona HB2625 is back.

In short, an employer can fire a woman for taking slut pills.

AH BELEEVE IN FREEDOM AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SMALL GUBMINT

'CEPT WHEN IT COMES TO THEM HOORS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2014, 03:41:10 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 24, 2014, 02:56:20 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 23, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
Arizona HB2625 is back.

In short, an employer can fire a woman for taking slut pills.

AH BELEEVE IN FREEDOM AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SMALL GUBMINT

'CEPT WHEN IT COMES TO THEM HOORS.

Yeah, it's from 2012, but it seems to be lurching off the slab and staggering around in committee.

Bill's author was a woman.

Sadly enough, that's normal here.  It's the only way a woman can get elected in most of the state.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 06, 2014, 10:31:09 PM
You stay classy, Tempe:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/05/pastor-who-prayed-for-obamas-death-calls-president-communist-bastard-with-whore-mother-video/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Freeky on November 28, 2014, 06:30:37 AM
I like how the article says he is "allegedly Christian."   :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 19, 2015, 06:43:36 PM
Not in Arizona, but a product nonetheless of that fine state:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/03/18/napolitano-says-we-dont-have-to-listen-to-this-crap-as-students-protest-potential-uc-tuition-hikes/

QuoteUniversity of California President Janet Napolitano remarked to a fellow regent that they "didn't have to listen to this crap" as underwear-clad protesters denounced potential tuition hikes during a meeting Wednesday in San Francisco.

UPDATE: Napolitano Apologizes For Calling Disruptive UC Students Protest 'Crap'

Napolitano was sitting next UC regent Chairman Bruce Varner as a group of about two dozen protesters shouted loudly, denouncing potential tuition hikes when she made the remark, which she may not have known was being recorded.

As the protests began, the cameras stayed on the regents. There was some confusion over what to do. That's when Napolitano leans over to Varner and said, "Let's just break. Let's go, let's go. We don't have to listen to this crap." Her hot mic caught the comment.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 01:28:19 AM
AND YA DON'T STOP

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/predictive-policing-in-arizona
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 01:28:19 AM
AND YA DON'T STOP

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/predictive-policing-in-arizona

Uhhh wasn't there a  movie about this?

I don't recall that it ended well.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 31, 2015, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 31, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 27, 2015, 01:28:19 AM
AND YA DON'T STOP

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/predictive-policing-in-arizona

Uhhh wasn't there a  movie about this?

I don't recall that it ended well.

Arizona is a little special in that regard.  Just slow-to-learn, yanno?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 31, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
Hey now, that movie had Tom Cruise and robots and explosions and stuff.  Isn't that everyone's American dream?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Demolition Squid on March 31, 2015, 10:50:17 PM
Eeeeeeh.

My dad has done some work in this area, and he swears it really does help get the most out of your resources. Nothing is perfect, of course, and you have to be careful about implementation, but mostly it is about trying to map out where current crime hotspots are and where they are likely to develop when you put the squeeze on organized crime in those areas - where in the city people are likely to have support or be able to get it when their established power bases are kicked over.

'Predictive Policing' is a very dumb name for 'crime stat analysis' and the minority report comparison is pretty heavily flawed. You don't stop policing everywhere else and you don't arrest people before they've done anything; you just allocate your resources based on data rather than a hunch or spread everything evenly (resulting in too few police where they are needed and too many where they aren't).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on March 31, 2015, 10:52:54 PM
I can see, in the American context, this leading to "broken windows" style policing of heavily ethnic areas.  Because that's just how Arizona rolls.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Demolition Squid on March 31, 2015, 10:58:56 PM
Well.... yeah.

It can also lead to similar abuses here. Basically, if the data you put in is flawed (because, say, the police disproportionately target minority groups and so those groups contribute more to the stats than others) then you'll get a flawed result.

But you need this kind of stuff if you're not going to work entirely off of hunches and guesses, which are even more prone to bias.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Reginald Ret on April 02, 2015, 01:16:04 PM
I dunno, I prefer both my police and politicians to be ineffective.
They do less damage that way.

An important thing to watch out for with this tech is function creep. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_creep)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 24, 2015, 10:56:13 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/we-dont-need-science-chemtrail-truthers-badger-gop-congressman-at-rowdy-public-meeting/

QuoteWith his voice rising, the man continued, "My body is filled with barium, aluminum, and strontium, and nobody is doing anything about it. That's why I'm here today. Because we want answers and we want something done instead of being placated and have people make fun of us about tin-foil hats. Well, go get your blood tested.  You'll throw your tin-foil hat away, as well as your jokes. This is a serious matter."

Indicating the audience, he said, "We all are aware that geo-engineering and solar radiation management is going on worldwide. My questions is: what are you going to do about it, and when?"

Following applause from the assembled crowd, Gosar asked, "Okay, who are science guys here?"

"We don't need science," DiCicco yelled from the back of the room stunning the congressman who replied, "Really?"

Only in Arizona could a GOP congressman appeal to science to deal with rubes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 03:42:49 AM
SIR, IF YOUR BODY IS FILLED WITH BARIUM, ALUMINUM, AND STRONTIUM, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO STOP EATING MINE TAILINGS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on April 25, 2015, 04:19:46 AM
This is the best thing I've heard all day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 25, 2015, 05:09:14 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 25, 2015, 03:42:49 AM
SIR, IF YOUR BODY IS FILLED WITH BARIUM, ALUMINUM, AND STRONTIUM, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO STOP EATING MINE TAILINGS.

THAT'S HOW WE ROLL IN THE STATE OF FUN.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 25, 2015, 04:19:46 AM
This is the best thing I've heard all day.

They eat their own!   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on April 25, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Cop told me a story about how he gave a Sovereign Citizen a traffic ticket once. Then for about 6 months after him and his buddies stalked the cop and kept trying to give HIM an order to appear in some "sovereign court" at survivlist compound in the middle of the woods.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on April 25, 2015, 07:26:05 PM
Sounds legit.  That cop was just afraid of TRUE AMERICAN JUSTICE.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on April 25, 2015, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on April 25, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Cop told me a story about how he gave a Sovereign Citizen a traffic ticket once. Then for about 6 months after him and his buddies stalked the cop and kept trying to give HIM an order to appear in some "sovereign court" at survivlist compound in the middle of the woods.

How did these idiots avoid being killed, exactly? Jail seems inevitable as a minimum.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 26, 2015, 12:10:34 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 25, 2015, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on April 25, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Cop told me a story about how he gave a Sovereign Citizen a traffic ticket once. Then for about 6 months after him and his buddies stalked the cop and kept trying to give HIM an order to appear in some "sovereign court" at survivlist compound in the middle of the woods.

How did these idiots avoid being killed, exactly? Jail seems inevitable as a minimum.

Easy, they were white.

This is AMERICA.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on April 26, 2015, 06:48:59 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on April 25, 2015, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on April 25, 2015, 07:12:46 PM
Cop told me a story about how he gave a Sovereign Citizen a traffic ticket once. Then for about 6 months after him and his buddies stalked the cop and kept trying to give HIM an order to appear in some "sovereign court" at survivlist compound in the middle of the woods.

How did these idiots avoid being killed, exactly? Jail seems inevitable as a minimum.

Never heard the end of the story. Maybe they did, maybe theyre still out there giving cops tickets for giving out tickets.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2015, 10:11:27 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/08/05/newslocalphoenixbreakingbondsmen-trespassed-chief--police/31184159/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 07, 2015, 02:57:10 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2015, 10:11:27 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/08/05/newslocalphoenixbreakingbondsmen-trespassed-chief--police/31184159/

BAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2015, 03:43:39 AM
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-while-trying-to-demonstrate-gun-safety-feature-7624980
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Don Coyote on September 04, 2015, 04:03:57 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2015, 03:43:39 AM
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-while-trying-to-demonstrate-gun-safety-feature-7624980

Just the idea of someone pointing a loaded firearm at their head, safety or no, makes me all  :eek:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on September 04, 2015, 04:23:33 AM
I mean, the gun I use most often is a .410 over-and-under shotgun (which is only slightly more powerful than an air rifle), and I still treat it as a WMD that could kill everything around me, even when it's broken open.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
Um, guys?

ARIZONA
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2015, 07:48:05 AM
He's just lucky he wasn't demonstrating a flamethrower
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on September 12, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2015, 04:25:14 AM
Um, guys?

ARIZONA

So, not so much a mistake as an escape attempt?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 12, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
We have a sniper on I-10 between Tucson and Phoenix.  He hasn't managed to kill anyone yet, but he has managed to hit a few cars.  He takes one shot, then fucks off.  This has been going on for a couple of weeks.  Our Department of Public Safety has foolishly issued a $20,000 reward for information, etc, etc.

Now a "militia" has started "patrolling" the highway.  In cars and on foot.  With assault rifles.

The leader of the militia wears those contacts that make you look like your eyes are all whites.  He looks like an extra from the Warboys.  This may give you an indication of the mental state that these folks are in.

I love Arizona.  I love it so much I wish it could have everything it ever wanted.  Oh, wait.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 12, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Well, at the very least the sniper can practice his aim with the militia.  From the sounds of it, he's been noobing it up until this point.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 01:07:30 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 12, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Well, at the very least the sniper can practice his aim with the militia.  From the sounds of it, he's been noobing it up until this point.

Yeah, it's a lot harder to hit a moving target than you'd think.  Especially if he's firing from a vehicle.  Nobody knows.  I have heard - but not seen evidence - that they've found a bullet and ID'd it as being from a weapon bought in cash at a gun show, by someone who more or less used a fake name.

Fun fact:  If you go to a gun shop in Arizona, you have to show proper ID, and wait an hour for a laughable background check.

Fun fact:  If you go to a gun show in Arizona, it's cash and carry, no verification of any kind involved.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 03, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/03/1443745/-Arizona-man-arrested-after-leaving-granddaughter-in-the-desert-with-cocked-and-loaded-gun#
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Meunster on November 06, 2015, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2015, 01:07:30 AM
Quote from: Cain on September 12, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Well, at the very least the sniper can practice his aim with the militia.  From the sounds of it, he's been noobing it up until this point.

Yeah, it's a lot harder to hit a moving target than you'd think.  Especially if he's firing from a vehicle.  Nobody knows.  I have heard - but not seen evidence - that they've found a bullet and ID'd it as being from a weapon bought in cash at a gun show, by someone who more or less used a fake name.

Fun fact:  If you go to a gun shop in Arizona, you have to show proper ID, and wait an hour for a laughable background check.

Fun fact:  If you go to a gun show in Arizona, it's cash and carry, no verification of any kind involved.

Hey same thing in kansas, private sales are even funner though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on June 01, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/05/31/joe-arpaio-contempt-hearing-fines-detainees-tuesday/85194194/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

QuoteU.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow had weighed potential penalties to be imposed against Arpaio, the next step after Snow's finding earlier this month that the lawman and three of his aides were in civil contempt of court.

But the judge stopped short of issuing any official orders, including whether he would refer Arpaio and his top brass at the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office to federal prosecutors for criminal-contempt proceedings.

At times, though, Snow seemed to telegraph that the answer would be yes.

He noted that the lawman's aides could be subject to a number of penalties — including termination — under the finding of civil contempt. But because Arpaio was an elected official, Snow's abilities to impose severe penalties on the lawman, whom Snow said he considered the "most culpable," were limited.

QuoteAttorneys spent the bulk of Tuesday arguing what types of reforms were appropriate for the office's internal-affairs unit. Snow's contempt ruling found that the current system was designed to excuse bad behavior rather than hold employees responsible.

QuoteSnow said he was inclined to hand over internal-affairs leadership to an outside party — whether it be to the monitor, himself or to another entity.

"I don't have confidence anymore about the direction of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office," he said.

QuoteSnow saved the most contested topic of the day for last. He singled out Arpaio and Sheridan as the two he would "seriously consider" referring for criminal-contempt prosecution, and then added new allegations and new names to the list.

QuoteSnow then turned to Arpaio's criminal-contempt attorney Mel McDonald. He asked why the defense had proposed Arpaio pay $100,000 to a civil-rights organization and offer a public apology when such remedies were deemed insufficient last year at the outset of the contempt hearings.

McDonald noted that the offers still stood, but in addition to the other internal-affairs and victim-compensation proposals. The offers, he said, were an attempt to prove Arpaio had "skin in the game," and shouldn't face criminal-contempt charges.

Will someone make the appropriate sacrifices to the gods of Dramatic Irony ASAP please. I'll laugh myself sick if Joe ends up in one of his own camps suffering under his own regime. At this point I can't rule out the possibility of Joe suing himself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on June 01, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Maybe the hope is to induce a heart attack.  Dude's 83 after all, even with his apparently endless supply of petty spite and malice he can't keep this up much longer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 01, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Sheriff Joe will not only survive this, he'll have the Judge flayed alive on the courthouse steps.  He is unstoppable.  He is the devil himself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Template on June 28, 2016, 07:42:57 PM
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-lawmaker-cecilia-velasquez-indicted-for-food-stamp-fraud-8396432
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on June 28, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
I am startled that someone on foodstamps, even fraudulently, was able to successfully run for the state senate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2016, 01:51:54 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 28, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
I am startled that someone on foodstamps, even fraudulently, was able to successfully run for the state senate.

why?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: East Coast Hustle on June 29, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Running for office ain't cheap.

I tried once and it emptied me out and that was just a run at a selectmen position in a tiny town at the end of nowhere.

Also, here's this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2016/06/27/tucson-tv-reporters-charged-child-abuse/86454336/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on June 29, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Running for office ain't cheap.


I know.  But this is Arizona.  Senior teabaggers will fund the younger/newer ones, if they spout enough Ayn Rand.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on June 30, 2016, 12:12:50 AM
She's not a teabagger though, she's a democrat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2016, 02:26:40 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 30, 2016, 12:12:50 AM
She's not a teabagger though, she's a democrat.

what state are we in again?

They are ALL teabaggers, except Kirkpatrick, and she has to carry a parang around with her wherever she goes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 18, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
http://tucson.com/ap/state/arizona-to-death-row-inmates-bring-your-own-execution-drugs/article_0e35381d-a6c2-59eb-9336-2441bfa6de0e.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on February 18, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
I'm bringing caffeine.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 20, 2017, 05:37:55 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 18, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
I'm bringing caffeine.

There was a science fiction story about this.  Drake or Niven or Pournelle, can't remember. Tobacco is outlawed, and there's no due process for possession.  The convict's wife had found him with some contraband pall malls and was going to turn him in, they scuffled, she died.  He had to choose the method of his execution.  The convict chose cigarettes.  So they made him smoke 5 packs a day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 20, 2017, 06:54:04 AM
How the hell does it take two hours to kill a person who can't fight back? Why the hell do all our execution methods seem like the kind of thing that would be devised by Doctor Evil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAMYHJYesM#t=01m21s)!?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: MMIX on February 23, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/

QuoteClaiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.
SB1142 expands the state's racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.
   
also
Quote
Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the new criminal laws are necessary.
"I have been heartsick with what's been going on in our country, what young people are being encouraged to do,'' she said.
She agreed with Quezada that there already are laws that cover overt acts. But Allen said they don't work.
"If they get thrown in jail, somebody pays to get them out,'' she said. "There has to be something to deter them from that.'' 

R-Snowflake, please tell me that is not a misprint
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on February 23, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 20, 2017, 05:37:55 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 18, 2017, 09:55:01 PM
I'm bringing caffeine.

There was a science fiction story about this.  Drake or Niven or Pournelle, can't remember. Tobacco is outlawed, and there's no due process for possession.  The convict's wife had found him with some contraband pall malls and was going to turn him in, they scuffled, she died.  He had to choose the method of his execution.  The convict chose cigarettes.  So they made him smoke 5 packs a day.

OK, I gave you all a chance to pull "marijuana" and no-one did.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: MMIX on February 23, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2017/02/22/arizona-senate-crackdown-on-protests/

QuoteClaiming people are being paid to riot, Republican state senators voted Wednesday to give police new power to arrest anyone who is involved in a peaceful demonstration that may turn bad — even before anything actually happened.
SB1142 expands the state's racketeering laws, now aimed at organized crime, to also include rioting. And it redefines what constitutes rioting to include actions that result in damage to the property of others.
   
also
Quote
Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, said the new criminal laws are necessary.
"I have been heartsick with what's been going on in our country, what young people are being encouraged to do,'' she said.
She agreed with Quezada that there already are laws that cover overt acts. But Allen said they don't work.
"If they get thrown in jail, somebody pays to get them out,'' she said. "There has to be something to deter them from that.'' 

R-Snowflake, please tell me that is not a misprint

It is not.  Allen has also stated that church should be compulsory.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: MMIX on February 24, 2017, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: MMIX on February 23, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
R-Snowflake, please tell me that is not a misprint

It is not.  Allen has also stated that church should be compulsory.
Wow,  :eek: do you think she fell out of a timeslip from Plimoth Plantation? [Before it became a tourist attraction, of course]
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 24, 2017, 03:28:20 AM
Quote from: MMIX on February 24, 2017, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2017, 11:58:39 PM
Quote from: MMIX on February 23, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
R-Snowflake, please tell me that is not a misprint

It is not.  Allen has also stated that church should be compulsory.
Wow,  :eek: do you think she fell out of a timeslip from Plimoth Plantation? [Before it became a tourist attraction, of course]

She said that we'd be better off if everyone had to go to church on Sunday.  Someone asked her about Jews, who of course celebrate on Saturday, then all of a sudden it got complicated and she announced that it had all been satire.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Pergamos on February 28, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
I hear Arizona is going to start taking people's houses away if they plan a protest.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 28, 2017, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on February 28, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
I hear Arizona is going to start taking people's houses away if they plan a protest.

Yes.  "Conspiracy to petition the government for redress."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2017, 02:00:11 AM
http://observer.com/2017/03/tucson-police-evict-border-patrol-agents-trying-to-catch-illegal-escapee/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on April 06, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2017/04/04/maricopa-county-sheriff-paul-penzone-tent-city-closing/100023562/

Paul Penzone is closing Joe Arpaio's "Tent City". But don't worry, it isn't because the place makes a mockery of justice and reformation, or because it's inhumane or ridiculous. It's because the county can save $4.5 million per month this way. Never fear, good citizens, these criminals will continue being treated like shit, just in a different facility.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Junkenstein on April 07, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
Don't worry citizens, Joe has been in touch with some Russians and his upcoming "gulag" project looks to be a real winner.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 25, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 13, 2010, 04:59:31 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on May 13, 2010, 12:56:28 AM
America may be doomed Roger, but your state is doomed first. :lulz:

Oh, hell yeah.  Listening to White people whining about being racially oppressed is music to my ears, the exact sort of music I'd like to think the band played as the Titanic went down.

Look upon Arizona, ye Americans, and despair.  This is your future.

Was I right or was I right?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 06, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/sacha-baron-cohen-joe-arpaio-who-is-america

QuoteThroughout the segment, it's clear Arpaio is unsure what, exactly, is going on—especially when Cohen begins babbling to the camera in faux-Finnish. Still, Arpaio often manages to stick to talking points, including the idea that guns don't kill people; people do. But the intended "gotcha" moment of the segment comes at the end, when Cohen starts discussing his first job—which he calls a "hand job from my mother, and it was newspapers." The comedian then asks Arpaio to describe his first hand job—a question Arpaio deflects, clearly unsure what Cohen means by that. Then comes the kicker: "So if Donald Trump calls you up after this and says, 'Sheriff Joe, I want to offer you an amazing blow job,' would you say yes?" Arpaio's response: "I may have to say yes."

Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2019, 09:53:44 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-town-apologizes-to-12-year-old-reporter-for-threatening-to-arrest-her/ar-BBUcZ58?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on March 01, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/something-is-in-those-vaccines-lawmaker-says-mandatory-measles-shots-are-communist/ar-BBUeXKA?ocid=spartanntp

ALL HUMANS MUST DIE.  :tgrr:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: LMNO on March 01, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 01, 2019, 04:31:26 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/something-is-in-those-vaccines-lawmaker-says-mandatory-measles-shots-are-communist/ar-BBUeXKA?ocid=spartanntp

ALL HUMANS MUST DIE.  :tgrr:

Apparently, they're really trying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cramulus on March 01, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 28, 2019, 09:53:44 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/arizona-town-apologizes-to-12-year-old-reporter-for-threatening-to-arrest-her/ar-BBUcZ58?ocid=spartanntp


awwww, nice to get a happy ending now and then
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 29, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
Doo bee doo bee dooooooo

https://apnews.com/47d3d47bb9e7489bbd1328506cb4d470
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on August 29, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 29, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
Doo bee doo bee dooooooo

https://apnews.com/47d3d47bb9e7489bbd1328506cb4d470

QuoteSheriff's officials say Security Transport Services has transported roughly 70 inmates this year at a cost of $88,500.

Sure beats the shit out of driving for Uber :eek:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on August 29, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
It's like all those, ahem, "detention camps" housing migrants for $775 per day.

Shit, for that much I'd teach them English as well as provide board and lodgings.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: altered on August 30, 2019, 01:43:39 AM
775/day is money I'd be able to live like a fucking queen on.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Juana on August 30, 2019, 11:26:00 PM
The government is paying literally the same nightly rate for some of the world's top hotels and this]/I] is what they're doing with it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 09, 2019, 05:01:49 PM
https://apnews.com/36bafd6c72cb4e43b00f7ff553b6fb56

Arizona Nazi Kelli Ward has sunk to new lows.

QuoteThe head of the Arizona Republican Party faced a backlash Friday after sending a fundraising email that said Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Mark Kelly, who rose to prominence when his wife was shot in the head, will be stopped "dead in his tracks."

Mark Kelly's wife is of course, Gabby Giffords, the US rep who was shot in the head by a maniac in Tucson.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: altered on September 09, 2019, 05:08:16 PM
I thought Ward fell into the reality sink out back of your old job's restaurant. She had showed up loud and stupid and then disappeared altogether, from an external perspective.

I wish my perspective was correct. We could use less Ward.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 09, 2019, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: nullified on September 09, 2019, 05:08:16 PM
I thought Ward fell into the reality sink out back of your old job's restaurant. She had showed up loud and stupid and then disappeared altogether, from an external perspective.

I wish my perspective was correct. We could use less Ward.

She's been around, as the RNC chair for Arizona.

It's worth mentioning that during her tenure, the state turned more purple than red.  If I didn't for certain know better, I'd assume she was a democratic party mole.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Fujikoma on September 15, 2019, 02:29:45 PM
I doubt they're actually spending that much on the poor migrants they've detained. I think an article came out where it was shown they actually blew most of the fucking money on special designer office furniture. Migrants aren't seeing a drop of that, their fat asses are.

EDIT: In an effort to review my sources, becaause saying these things without backing them up is potentially spreading misinformation, I'm unsure I have the time necessary to locate more than one source, so by all means please read this skeptically. Wouldn't surprise me if the claim were true, but I know that ain't good 'nuff. I am, however, finding other things to be pissy about, but I really don't know which organizations to trust.

EDIT AGAIN: https://www.thedailybeast.com/as-trump-looted-fema-and-the-military-for-his-border-policies-dhs-bought-high-end-chairs-with-taxpayer-funds this is what I was remembering.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Cain on September 16, 2019, 12:53:32 AM
Of course they're not spending that much on them.

They're sticking them in like sardines with no toilet paper and no toothpaste and pocketing the difference. That's the whole point. It's a get-rich scheme with kids in cages.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 24, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
I trust Dok is fucking with these people.  :lulz:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 25, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 24, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
I trust Dok is fucking with these people.  :lulz:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc)

We've sort of been taking turns calling the cops on them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 25, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 25, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 24, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
I trust Dok is fucking with these people.  :lulz:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc)

We've sort of been taking turns calling the cops on them.

Good. They hate that.
But if you don't get the desired results due to magat cops, maybe you could rig up some kind of exploding toilet bazookas?  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 27, 2022, 02:51:30 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 25, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 25, 2022, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 24, 2022, 09:16:27 PM
I trust Dok is fucking with these people.  :lulz:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/armed-people-ballot-box-arizona_n_6356a48ae4b03e8038e1abfc)

We've sort of been taking turns calling the cops on them.

Good. They hate that.
But if you don't get the desired results due to magat cops, maybe you could rig up some kind of exploding toilet bazookas?  :lulz:

Cops in Tucson hate anyone who causes a ruckus.