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Started by Trivial, August 11, 2014, 11:50:32 PM

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Slyph

Read some of the Homeopathy topic, and I was like thinking to myself; "Wow, this guy claims a MSc in Neuroscience, a Degree in Philosophy, a Doctorate in Dental Sciences and a fuckin Congressional Medal of Honor, or whatever... And I'm just sitting here, with my Certificate of Being a Fucking Janitor... With Honours annd I know this guy's full of shit."

Feels Good, Man.

Cainad (dec.)

I feel like I struck gold with the chiropractor I ended up seeing to fix my neck (couldn't turn my head more than 20 degrees left for years). We checked out one who's receptionist went on a spiel about dietetics and holistic medicine, and walked away. Then we found a guy who was just about, y'know, fixing vertebrae alignment. Two sessions of neck manipulation and that was it, no insistence on continued treatment beyond fixing the problem.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I've seen chiropractors who were fucking awesome because they fixed my back/neck pain, and others because they were all into supplements and homeopathy and "weekly adjustments".

My conclusion: chiropractic adjustment is not complete bullshit, but there is a lot of complete bullshit rolled up into most chiropractor training.
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Cain

Reflexologists can fuck right off, though.

If your discipline talks about energy and you're not some kind of engineer or physicist, you will all be thrown out the airlock with no regrets.

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Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
Reflexologists can fuck right off, though.

If your discipline talks about energy and you're not some kind of engineer or physicist, you will all be thrown out the airlock with no regrets.

:lulz:

Or maintenance techs.  I'd hate to space one of my electricians for saying "energy isolation".
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Slyph

Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
Reflexologists can fuck right off, though.

If your discipline talks about energy and you're not some kind of engineer or physicist, you will all be thrown out the airlock with no regrets.

Saw an article once, wish I knew what to google, in which a Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS was caught lulling his patients long enough that they were relaxed enough for him to fuck off into the corner and read the Sun for an hour.

If that was me? I'd have just been like "Yeah, I'm just THAT GOOD. I can operate on my dudes from this distance, and multitask at the same time."

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Slyph on August 30, 2014, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
Reflexologists can fuck right off, though.

If your discipline talks about energy and you're not some kind of engineer or physicist, you will all be thrown out the airlock with no regrets.

Saw an article once, wish I knew what to google, in which a Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS was caught lulling his patients long enough that they were relaxed enough for him to fuck off into the corner and read the Sun for an hour.

If that was me? I'd have just been like "Yeah, I'm just THAT GOOD. I can operate on my dudes from this distance, and multitask at the same time."

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Okay, fuck this planet - I want off  :argh!:

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 30, 2014, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: Slyph on August 30, 2014, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2014, 08:22:07 PM
Reflexologists can fuck right off, though.

If your discipline talks about energy and you're not some kind of engineer or physicist, you will all be thrown out the airlock with no regrets.

Saw an article once, wish I knew what to google, in which a Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS was caught lulling his patients long enough that they were relaxed enough for him to fuck off into the corner and read the Sun for an hour.

If that was me? I'd have just been like "Yeah, I'm just THAT GOOD. I can operate on my dudes from this distance, and multitask at the same time."

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Reiki healer EMPLOYED BY THE NHS

Okay, fuck this planet - I want off  :argh!:

You appear to be in pain, dear. Here, try a nice hot sweet cup of tea and some evidence.
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Is reiki an all singing, all dancing panacea? Is it fuck. But it does seem to have some utility in the treatment regimes of people going through particular challenges, like cancer treatments, or like actually just having cancer in itself. And if you still want off the planet there is probably a tablet for that.  :wink:
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LMNO

I'd like my placebo effect to be woo-free, please.

MMIX

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 30, 2014, 01:52:13 PM
I'd like my placebo effect to be woo-free, please.

I take your point, but I can't off hand imagine anything which would produce the sort of impact, for want of a better term, as the medicinal attention and personalised relaxation that therapies such as reiki demonstrably can produce. And if you think that you can then just go right ahead because there is obviously a huge untapped market out there for therapies which can be shown to be even marginally effective.

You could stop working for the man and be your own bosss
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tyrannosaurus vex

I don't know about all this naysaying. I can't say I have a doctorate or that I've published any papers in "real" journals, but I know that a strict regimen combining meditation, homeopathic treatments, and antibiotics can cure pneumonia.
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MMIX

Quote from: V3X on September 03, 2014, 06:04:24 AM
I don't know about all this naysaying. I can't say I have a doctorate or that I've published any papers in "real" journals, but I know that a strict regimen combining meditation, homeopathic treatments, and antibiotics can cure pneumonia.

Ok I gotta admit i did laugh first  :lol:

       but then I googled:

QuoteFarm Antibiotics May Be Linked to Food Allergies
U.S. News & World Report ‎- 49 minutes ago
WEDNESDAY, Sept. 3, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- Allergic reactions to food are a concern for millions of Americans, and now a study suggests there's a potential new player on the immunology front: Some people may be allergic to the antibiotics used to keep pests away from fruits and vegetables. 
The study profiles the case of a 10-year-old girl who had a severe allergic reaction after eating blueberry pie. She suffered from asthma, seasonal allergies and allergies to milk and penicillin, but nothing in the pie seemed like a likely culprit.
The researchers determined that the problem was a blueberry that had been treated with streptomycin, an antibiotic that's used in people to fight off germs and in plants to keep bacteria, fungi and algae at bay. .
The researchers determined that the problem was a blueberry that had been treated with streptomycin, an antibiotic that's used in people to fight off germs and in plants to keep bacteria, fungi and algae at bay.
"As far as we know, this is the first report that links an allergic reaction to fruits treated with antibiotic pesticides," said allergist Dr. Anne Des Roches, the lead author of the study published in the September issue of Annals of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology.
"Certain European countries ban the use of antibiotics for growing foods, but the United States and Canada still allow them for agricultural purposes," Des Roches said in a journal news release.

QuoteCDC Threat Report: 'We Will Soon Be in a Post-Antibiotic Era' 
BY MARYN MCKENNA      09.16.13
Wired - 
Sep 2013
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has just published a first-of-its-kind assessment of the threat the country faces from antibiotic-resistant organisms, ranking them by the number of illnesses and deaths they cause each year and outlining urgent steps that need to be taken to roll back the trend.
The agency's overall — and, it stressed, conservative — assessment of the problem:
Each year, in the U.S., 2,049,442 illnesses caused by bacteria and fungi that are resistant to at least some classes of antibiotics;
Each year, out of those illnesses, 23,000 deaths;
Because of those illnesses and deaths, $20 billion each year in additional healthcare spending;
And beyond the direct healthcare costs, an additional $35 billion lost to society in foregone productivity.
"If we are not careful, we will soon be in a post-antibiotic era," Dr. Tom Frieden, the CDC's director, said in a media briefing. "And for some patients and for some microbes, we are already there."

QuoteAre you ready for a world without antibiotics?
The Guardian - 
Aug 2010
Antibiotics are a bedrock of modern medicine. But in the very near future, we're going to have to learn to live without them once again. And it's going to get nasty.

QuoteBBC News - Antibiotics resistance 'as big a risk as terrorism ...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21737844

11 Mar 2013 - The danger posed by growing resistance to antibiotics should be ranked along with terrorism on a list of threats to the nation, the government's chief medical officer for England has said.
Professor Dame Sally Davies described it as a "ticking time bomb".
She warned that routine operations could become deadly in just 20 years if we lose the ability to fight infection.

Google antibiotic; you don't even need to put in 'news' or 'resistance' or 'problem', just plain old 'antibiotic'. These were out of the first ten hits. So you might want to polish up your meditation skills cos it looks like, in the medium term, that's about all we are going to have left. Only good thing from my pov is I'll probably be dead by then so my total lack of meditation abilities isn't going to negatively impact my declining years.  :lol:
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P3nT4gR4m

They were your first ten hits because most of your searches are "crystal healing" and "roswell cover up"

My first ten were NHS, wikipedia then a bunch of scientific papers on new developments

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Salty

#74
About reiki and making money.

You have to think about what you are doing to other human beings.

I have thought about that very thing for, like, 11 years.

There are two basic viewpoints on the money aspect here in the west. The first is the notion spread by this woman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawayo_Takata

She was, in my opinion based on historical accuracy, a liar and a snake oil seller to the core. She was the one who fabricated a story about the founder of the Buddhist practice that was made into a healing technique being  a Christian. She also created the notion that for an attunement (lol) at the first level should cost $1000, the second $5000, and the master level $10,000. In the 50's. Oh and BTW it cured her cancer.

The second take on reiki and money is from the countless people it has spread to, mostly hippies and crystal rubbers who feel that, as it's free super magic from everywhere, it should not cost anything. Especially considering, you know, the lack of direct, uh, labor involved.

This, of course, naturally angers reiki practitioners because their market rate is at an average of about $60-$120 per hour, depending on the depth of spiritual wisdom possessed whatever asshole is taking your money. And that's just not fair, giving it away. Not to mention the long and involved story about how Usui healed a city of beggars and they did not value it because begging was easier and, well, you get the idea.

Built into this system is not JUST a phony quack practice that DOES have legitimate effects on stress and I believe has something to do with things that are not magic, but also a simple and effectve method for removing monies from their owners.

Now, like I said, I have been thinking about this, and I believe I have come up with an acceptable business model.

Step 1:
Charge slightly above average market rates.

Step 2:
Give half of all profits to charity.

Step 3:
Profit from the smug satisfaction of being better than other reiki people at their own game, both morally and financially.

THINK OF THE DEDUCTIONS!

Which, I think, is what reiki is all about.

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