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[AFK]

it would be considered "sexual harrassment" because you are potentially exposing other employees to things they don't want to see and may be offended by.  It's the same idea as telling a sexually suggestive or "lewd" joke to an employee and them getting offended.  The co-worker doesn't expect to be subjected to that kind of material at their place of employment.  

[P3nT4gR4m]

The sex being worse than violence thing is defo a throwback to xist morality bullshit.

Showing a tortured and dying fucker, with nails through his hands and feet is a pleasant and inspiring image for teh children but a nipple is so evil that even saying it out loud will corrupt their tiny minds for evar.

Wheres my titties on tevee rant when I need it?

[Triple Zero]

it would be considered "sexual harrassment" because you are potentially exposing other employees to things they don't want to see and may be offended by.  It's the same idea as telling a sexually suggestive or "lewd" joke to an employee and them getting offended.  The co-worker doesn't expect to be subjected to that kind of material at their place of employment.  

.. but surely, just like the creationist christian fundies against science, this is the exception rather than the rule right?

right? right?

cause just what Silly says, in general i would be much more offended by stories and/or pictures of torture/violence/etc than collegues discussing lewd jokes, sexual topics (moves/techniques), etc. because that's just natural. well maybe not when you have a meeting with an important client, but that's also not the time to start talking about severed limbs and shit.

are women on the workplace allowed to talk about their menstruation cycle by the way? just wondering. because that's some shit i sometimes seriously don't want to hear, but then again, i respect their freedom to be able to

an even more direct example is (not really related to workplace ethics), so far i managed to "dull" myself into being able to view goatse, tubgirl, meatspin, lemonparty etc with a neutral point of view, i could easily spend 30 mins photoshopping someone's face in goatse's ass without getting nauseous or anything. it's just people with a disgusting fetish.
on the other hand, there are pictures on rotten.com that show dead people with half of their heads blown off (the motorcycle.jpg and others), really gets me sick within a few seconds and i have no desire to "dull" myself from it either. there was this one time when i had this great idea for a photoshop collage of some lame joke involving a milka cow and a palestine teenage suicide bomber (dont ask--it's a really lame dutch word joke based on a commercial), so i went on googling for images of palestine teenage suicide bombers .. if you click to the journalist world press photo stuff .. yay real world severed bloody limbs all around! uglyness of war! poor little kids with shrapnel wounds but without family! very quickly i decided this joke was definitely in bad taste, even for me.

[AFK]

it would be considered "sexual harrassment" because you are potentially exposing other employees to things they don't want to see and may be offended by.  It's the same idea as telling a sexually suggestive or "lewd" joke to an employee and them getting offended.  The co-worker doesn't expect to be subjected to that kind of material at their place of employment.  

.. but surely, just like the creationist christian fundies against science, this is the exception rather than the rule right?

right? right?

cause just what Silly says, in general i would be much more offended by stories and/or pictures of torture/violence/etc than collegues discussing lewd jokes, sexual topics (moves/techniques), etc. because that's just natural. well maybe not when you have a meeting with an important client, but that's also not the time to start talking about severed limbs and shit.

you would think so wouldn't you?  But when you get down to it I think it's like LMNO says, about money.  It's a vehicle for someone with a grudge against a company, or someone in a company, to act.  I think there probably are some adults out there, for whatever reason, truly are offended by "sexual" imagery, but I think these same people would probably be uptight by violence as well.  But the sexual harrasment has become a sort of slam-dunk thing legally.  Companies are real hard-core about making sure their employees are trained on sexual harassment, because if they are not it can become ammunition against the company. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

it would be considered "sexual harrassment" because you are potentially exposing other employees to things they don't want to see and may be offended by.  It's the same idea as telling a sexually suggestive or "lewd" joke to an employee and them getting offended.  The co-worker doesn't expect to be subjected to that kind of material at their place of employment. 

.. but surely, just like the creationist christian fundies against science, this is the exception rather than the rule right?

right? right?

cause just what Silly says, in general i would be much more offended by stories and/or pictures of torture/violence/etc than collegues discussing lewd jokes, sexual topics (moves/techniques), etc. because that's just natural. well maybe not when you have a meeting with an important client, but that's also not the time to start talking about severed limbs and shit.

are women on the workplace allowed to talk about their menstruation cycle by the way? just wondering. because that's some shit i sometimes seriously don't want to hear, but then again, i respect their freedom to be able to

an even more direct example is (not really related to workplace ethics), so far i managed to "dull" myself into being able to view goatse, tubgirl, meatspin, lemonparty etc with a neutral point of view, i could easily spend 30 mins photoshopping someone's face in goatse's ass without getting nauseous or anything. it's just people with a disgusting fetish.
on the other hand, there are pictures on rotten.com that show dead people with half of their heads blown off (the motorcycle.jpg and others), really gets me sick within a few seconds and i have no desire to "dull" myself from it either. there was this one time when i had this great idea for a photoshop collage of some lame joke involving a milka cow and a palestine teenage suicide bomber (dont ask--it's a really lame dutch word joke based on a commercial), so i went on googling for images of palestine teenage suicide bombers .. if you click to the journalist world press photo stuff .. yay real world severed bloody limbs all around! uglyness of war! poor little kids with shrapnel wounds but without family! very quickly i decided this joke was definitely in bad taste, even for me.

I see it all as just a pictorial representation of stuff that atoms and molecules can do when subjected to specific circumstances.

This level of detachment may sound callous but the alternative is much worse imo - if you are affected by any kind of image then you are liable to be manipulated by such means. Led by the nose. Terrified with images of bad or tantalised by images of good.

A dead body is just a bunch of meat.

[Cramulus]

in the states at least,
people aren't nice and cautious because they're good people
it's out of fear of being sued.

McDonalds doesn't put warnings about the heat of their coffee because they're worried about you getting burned - they're worried about you suing them.

Though torture pics may seem morally worse than a nipple,
legally the nipple is sexual harassment
and the torture pics are just distasteful

yeah, it doesn't really make logical sense, but these rules arose from bad situations. I'm sure there were workplaces where women were intimidated by nude calendars, sexist jokes, leering, etc. So now we all lose a little bit of freedom to prevent the really extreme circumstances.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Trying to legislate about shit like that tends to lead to utter overkill. Takes away your rights a wafer thin slice at a time.

Comedy took a major stand against 'political correct' for the simple reason that there is no joke, either in existence or theoretically possible, that wont offend some whining fucking idiot.

Judges shouldn't be so fucking lazy - treat shit on a case by case basis like they're paid so much to do.

"He tried to rape me in the stationary cupboard" vs "He had a topless chick as a desktop background and I saw it and felt degraded"

Tits look nice. Looking at them cheers a lot of guys up. Get over it.

[LMNO]

I know I'm not gonna convince you, but sexual harassment and the casusal degradation of women in the workplace is not only real, but can be devestating to the woman it's directed at.





Like I said, it's obvious I'm not gonna change your mind, I just had to say it.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I know I'm not gonna convince you, but sexual harassment and the casusal degradation of women in the workplace is not only real, but can be devestating to the woman it's directed at.





Like I said, it's obvious I'm not gonna change your mind, I just had to say it.

I've seen it, tbh, but I'm damned if I'll accept that having a nude calendar on the wall is degrading. It can be and, in a great many cases, it probably is but where do you draw the line? Is the Venus de Milo porn? How about a pre raphaelite print, complete with nipples or a David Bailey nude?

K so a playboy centerfold would defo be considered degrading to women, right?

Fuck that shit. I'd say it might be, would depend on who had it hanging on their office wall or who saw it.

[AFK]

I think the idea is that it doesn't have to be hanging up at work.  People should be able to be into those kinds of things but perhaps the work place, where others may be subjected to it, isn't the proper place for display.  Another example, I love listening to loud, heavy metal music, but out of respect for my co-workers, I don't play it in my office because I know it could be annoying to them.  However, if they were to come visit me at home, it's a different arena.  I display what I want, I play what I want, etc., etc.  Visiting someone at their home is voluntary, going to work usually isn't. 

[LMNO]

Well, here's the question:


If you ran a company, and you knew you could get sued into bankruptcy for sexual harassment, where would you draw the line?



Notice I didn't ask what you think is acceptable, but rather, how much would you want to risk your business.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Well, here's the question:


If you ran a company, and you knew you could get sued into bankruptcy for sexual harassment, where would you draw the line?



Notice I didn't ask what you think is acceptable, but rather, how much would you want to risk your business.

I'd play it so safe I'd have the wommenz wearing burkas in case they excited the men too much

[LMNO]

I see it all as just a pictorial representation of stuff that atoms and molecules can do when subjected to specific circumstances.

This level of detachment may sound callous but the alternative is much worse imo - if you are affected by any kind of image then you are liable to be manipulated by such means. Led by the nose. Terrified with images of bad or tantalised by images of good.

A dead body is just a bunch of meat.

So, you're saying that for you me typing the words "baby rape" is exactly the same thing as posting a picture of it?

[Triple Zero]

Well, here's the question:


If you ran a company, and you knew you could get sued into bankruptcy for sexual harassment, where would you draw the line?



Notice I didn't ask what you think is acceptable, but rather, how much would you want to risk your business.

i admit i completely forgot about the sueing trigger-happieness over there.

certainly it's logical reasoning, but it almost sounds like you're defending it, maybe i'm reading it wrong though.

isn't this one of the things we ought to be fighting as discordians? cause for me, i'd rather not work at a company (or for the same matter run such a company) where sexual harassment means being robbed of your freedom of expression and comfort at a workplace.
in "public office buildings" (town councils, libraries, universities etc) here, there's posters up about sexual harassment ("intimidation" as it's called here). but all of them tell people to go to some "trust-person" if they have complaints, and the first step is always to try and work it out with the parties involved. (and yes, if that doesn't work, for example due to a skewed power relation, there will be sueing. but only then)
i like that approach much better. not having a taboo on these kinds of things also helps collegues appreciate eachother as human beings instead of "rabotniks". these are people you spend the larger part of your day with, they don't need to be your friends, but you also shouldn't need a legal system to manage yourself in yet another social setting.
also let it be known that i fully appreciate that cerain people can handle more than others, what is a simple "oh you guys" lewd joke to one, can indeed feel like harassment to another. same with the "an hero" jokes over here. the trick is to have mutual respect for eachother, instead of fear for another's lawyer. because, really, having the threat of being sued hanging over your head all the time, now that's harassment.

and RWHN, you speak about heavy metal music. do they have the radio on instead, or is it just the slight buzzing of fans and office noises? because that, imo, would be much worse, forcefully being subjected to listening to advertisements while i work! well either way, that's what headphones are for, imo.

[AFK]

and RWHN, you speak about heavy metal music. do they have the radio on instead, or is it just the slight buzzing of fans and office noises? because that, imo, would be much worse, forcefully being subjected to listening to advertisements while i work! well either way, that's what headphones are for, imo.

No, I have my own radio in my office, so I can pretty much play what I want.  It's just that I'd rather not disturb my co-workers with my acquired taste.  But that's because I like my co-workers, it's not out of fear of being fired or anything.  Instead I play flamenco, irish music, and some other new agey stuff which I do enjoy.  My co-workers seem to like it too, they are always dropping by for no reason.