UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

[Junkenstein]

By the new year, they'll be pushing themselves back. It's the same with any project when the deadline is 6+ months out. The first month is a party. So's the second. After that you're either having 4 more and turning in something shitty or rushing to get a decent job done in 2/3rds of the time that you should have. The "no ongoing commentary" line backs up the first. Who would tell people they're just tossing it off on an ongoing basis? And surely there's little doubt that whatever they decide to show, be that in march or before (possibly later. Tories....) is undoubtedly going to be quite shitty for any and all concerned.

It also gives them until that date to let others keep making the case against it. "Do a shitty job" might be the plan to try and get out of the whole mess. If the people wanting it can't preform, how and who else do you get to do it?

[Cain]

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/10/facts-of-life-and-death.html

The UK is not self-sufficient in food. The UK imports roughly 40% of the total food consumed, and the proportion is rising. Nor is it obvious that we can produce more food: to get close to self-sufficiency from 1939-45 required a world war, mobilization, and the conversion of all private gardens into kitchen gardens, along with rationing, and the UK population has grown by roughly 25% since then. While modern technology-intensive agricultural techniques can improve productivity, this is capital intensive, and the one thing a Post-hard Brexit Britain with a crashed currency and a financial sector fleeing to the continent is going to be short of is capital. Also, it takes years to roll out that sort of infrastructure upgrade, even if the will is there.

Food bank use is at record levels and hunger is a desperate concern for low-income (including low-earning employed) families. And the currency we buy our food imports with just crashed 10% this week, and 25% over the past four months.

If a Hard Brexit happens, then Sterling will almost certainly dip below Dollar parity for the first time in history. Imported foods will cost 40% more in real terms than they did in 2015. And there will be additional 20% tarrifs levelled on top.

I'm calling Hard Brexit a road to mass starvation and famine-grade deaths on a scale not seen in the UK since the Hungry Forties (that's the 1840s, not the 1940s).

[The Wizard Joseph]

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2016/10/facts-of-life-and-death.html

The UK is not self-sufficient in food. The UK imports roughly 40% of the total food consumed, and the proportion is rising. Nor is it obvious that we can produce more food: to get close to self-sufficiency from 1939-45 required a world war, mobilization, and the conversion of all private gardens into kitchen gardens, along with rationing, and the UK population has grown by roughly 25% since then. While modern technology-intensive agricultural techniques can improve productivity, this is capital intensive, and the one thing a Post-hard Brexit Britain with a crashed currency and a financial sector fleeing to the continent is going to be short of is capital. Also, it takes years to roll out that sort of infrastructure upgrade, even if the will is there.

Food bank use is at record levels and hunger is a desperate concern for low-income (including low-earning employed) families. And the currency we buy our food imports with just crashed 10% this week, and 25% over the past four months.

If a Hard Brexit happens, then Sterling will almost certainly dip below Dollar parity for the first time in history. Imported foods will cost 40% more in real terms than they did in 2015. And there will be additional 20% tarrifs levelled on top.

I'm calling Hard Brexit a road to mass starvation and famine-grade deaths on a scale not seen in the UK since the Hungry Forties (that's the 1840s, not the 1940s).

Watch them proceed anyway. There's money to be made in such "ultimate austerity". What's a few deaths by starvation compared to a vast private profit on the economic woe of millions?

[Cain]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37634338

A consultation gets under way next week on plans for a second Scottish independence referendum, the SNP's Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed.

She told the party's Glasgow conference that an Independence Referendum Bill would be published next week.

It marks the first step to holding a second vote.

The first referendum, which took place on 18 September, 2014, resulted in 55% of voters saying "no" to Scottish independence.

Ms Sturgeon told delegates that Scotland had the right to seek something better if there were prospects of an unstable future as part of the UK.

She said: "I am determined that Scotland will have the ability to reconsider the question of independence and to do so before the UK leaves the EU - if that is necessary to protect our country's interests.

"So, I can confirm today that the Independence Referendum Bill will be published for consultation next week."

On 24 June, the day after the UK voted to leave the EU, Ms Sturgeon said a second independence referendum was "highly likely".

Those who voted in Scotland backed remaining in Europe by 62% to 38% while the UK as a whole backed leave, by a margin of 52% to 48%.

[MMIX]

I was very much in favour of Scotland staying part of the Union but if I was Scots then I would be now be looking to get the hell out asap. The Scots were lied to, they were told that staying in the Union was the best and possibly only way for Scotland to stay in the EU. The Union has rapidly shown itself to be toxic to Scotland's European aspirations and I don't see why we should all suffer they should try and stay in Europe if it is possible. I just wish there was as simple a solution for Ireland, whose unique position was obviously not taken seriously by the flag waving, racist,  mouth breathers who "wanted their country back". As for Wales, well what can you say? I look around me filled with horror and disgust that we voted so stupidly against our own best interests. I live in rural West Wales where the economy is currently strongly underpinned by European structural funding http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/
I try not to go out much because it is corrosive to the soul to look at your fellow citizens with murderous disgust knowing that over half of the people you meet are too stupid to vote and are wasting your precious oxygen.
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[The Good Reverend Roger]

I was very much in favour of Scotland staying part of the Union but if I was Scots then I would be now be looking to get the hell out asap.

I can't argue with that.  I'd be looking for the door myself.

[Cain]

Reading this thread reminded me to apply for jobs in Australia.

[MMIX]

Reading this thread reminded me to apply for jobs in Australia.

I am considering Irish citizenship. If only so I can pass it to my son

[Faust]

Reading this thread reminded me to apply for jobs in Australia.

I am considering Irish citizenship. If only so I can pass it to my son

Apart from the cultural aspect it gives him access to work in any EU country and stay in them indefinitely. Not trying to be nationalistic about Ireland, but if the option is available I would strongly recommend it.

[MMIX]

Reading this thread reminded me to apply for jobs in Australia.

I am considering Irish citizenship. If only so I can pass it to my son

Apart from the cultural aspect it gives him access to work in any EU country and stay in them indefinitely. Not trying to be nationalistic about Ireland, but if the option is available I would strongly recommend it.

Plus it would mean I could stop having to be defined as English; something I find increasingly distasteful as I get older

[Cain]

I'd say go for it.  If I had an EU citizenship option, I'd take it in a heartbeat.  Maybe I'll have to just suck it up and find a nice French/German/Dutch/Swedish/Spanish/Portuguese etc girl to marry...

[P3nT4gR4m]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37634338

A consultation gets under way next week on plans for a second Scottish independence referendum, the SNP's Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed.

She told the party's Glasgow conference that an Independence Referendum Bill would be published next week.

It marks the first step to holding a second vote.

The first referendum, which took place on 18 September, 2014, resulted in 55% of voters saying "no" to Scottish independence.

Ms Sturgeon told delegates that Scotland had the right to seek something better if there were prospects of an unstable future as part of the UK.

She said: "I am determined that Scotland will have the ability to reconsider the question of independence and to do so before the UK leaves the EU - if that is necessary to protect our country's interests.

"So, I can confirm today that the Independence Referendum Bill will be published for consultation next week."

On 24 June, the day after the UK voted to leave the EU, Ms Sturgeon said a second independence referendum was "highly likely".

Those who voted in Scotland backed remaining in Europe by 62% to 38% while the UK as a whole backed leave, by a margin of 52% to 48%.

Won't happen. There's no limit to the retardedness of my countrymen. The english could probably pull the same bullshit they did last time - more powers and a secure place in europe and we'd still vote to stay. Right now I'm prepared to get behind anybody advocating genocide of the scots. 

[Junkenstein]

Bless UKIP. They're not as big as other parties (1 MP, kinda) or as sane (look at them) but they do make an exceptional effort at getting their own share of headlines. The current is the guy who was "struck by a blow to the head" (he was headbutted it seems) has quit and announced the party to be in a death spiral of their own devising.

Various people being accused of trying to mitigate/prevent brexit and occasional coverage of the court case disputing may's ability to even do it without parliamentary consent. The overall result is that a complicated thing is getting even more so and any chance for a positive result for anyone looks increasingly unlikely.

As for alternative citizenship, grab the chance if it's around. Having the option can only be beneficial.

[Cain]

The current state of affairs in the UK: Gary Lineker is coming under fire for saying some of the treatment of child refugees (whom one MP demanded be age verified by dental checks) was "hideously racist". 

[LMNO]

To be clear: he's coming under fire, and not the hideously racist treatment?