Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 27, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AMLook at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986.
The only difference between then and now is that doctors got so e better diagnostic tools and at some point the news media decided to make it their Scary Disease of the Week(TM). My god, that must have been a slow week. They used to do actually frightenig syndromes like SARS and AIDS. Swine Flu was so sucuccesful they did it twice. And yet somehow autism is the one people have latched on to.
Except if it was misdiagnosis we would see a proportional downtick in other diagnoses which we have not. We havent seen any downtick. There are also physical symptoms such as different facial structure,
https://spectrumnews.org/news/clinical-research-facial-features-can-help-diagnose-autism/
and differences in gut fauna:
http://www.microbiologyresearch.org/docserver/fulltext/jmm/54/10/JMM5410.987.pdf?expires=1477592759&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=5D209DD190B8718803DCE1C0BD27F374
Quote from: NeonWytch on October 27, 2016, 02:05:35 PM
I'm not misanthropic enough yet to think we should abandon democracy entirely.
I mean, we have about the same chance of convincing the federal government to create stronger EPA standards and hold corporations accountable as we do of... doing the same thing but also stripping away our constitution and social freedoms?
Its funny because thats exactly what Ive been advocating. I want to democratically elect and ecofascist government.
Quote from: NeonWytch on October 27, 2016, 05:54:38 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 04:40:31 AM
But I just argued the points of EcoFascism right there.
At risk of being accused of moving the goalposts, I guess I meant "You stated your points as though they were the holy words of Goddess Herself being handed down to you only after being asked."
I mean you sound like a self-righteous shithead, basically, and you only stated your points when someone else asked about them before quickly veering away from them to talk about how much better your group of fuckwads is than the "other" outside your group.
So, someone asked about my beliefs, I answered them, and then I answered the next question. If you have a question about my beliefs ask.
The links between autism and altered gut biota are neither causative nor consistent.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/01/06/gut-disorders-and-autism-a-new-consensus/
http://www.skepticnorth.com/2013/07/new-study-on-gut-bacteria-in-autism-unrelated-to-wakefield-study/
The statistical differences in facial shape of autistic children cannot be used as a diagnostic tool, regardless of what pop media reporters might tell you.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111020105914.htm
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 28, 2016, 12:22:11 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 27, 2016, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 27, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
I like the open borders part
And, why given the horrible effects of NAFTA already do you think this is a good idea for anyone but 1% vampires?
That's why I specified "the open borders part" of the comment about "open borders and free trade"
Ok, why should we have completely open borders?
Why do you take things completely out of context?
Ron Paul, I hate to tell you this, but your critical thinking skills are terrible and I am starting to be concerned that you may actually be stupid.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:32:45 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 28, 2016, 12:22:11 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 27, 2016, 11:15:47 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 27, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
I like the open borders part
And, why given the horrible effects of NAFTA already do you think this is a good idea for anyone but 1% vampires?
That's why I specified "the open borders part" of the comment about "open borders and free trade"
Ok, why should we have completely open borders?
Why do you take things completely out of context?
Context:
"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders,"
"I like the part about open borders"
"Why should we have open borders?"
???????????????????
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:29:18 AM
The links between autism and altered gut biota are neither causative nor consistent.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/01/06/gut-disorders-and-autism-a-new-consensus/
http://www.skepticnorth.com/2013/07/new-study-on-gut-bacteria-in-autism-unrelated-to-wakefield-study/
Yes that is a very good takedown on some crank diet cure for autism and a research paper that states
QuoteWhile it is understandable that the public is interested in the ongoing story of why ASD patients have so many problems with their gut and diet, we cannot leap beyond the conclusions from one study and overgeneralise. This study, like any good science, leaves us with more questions than answers. Is there a connection between neurological symptoms and Prevotella? Is the decreased incidence of Prevotella predictive of ASD? Is the severity of GI symptoms really connected to the severity of ASD? Does the ASD cause the change in the microbiome, or does the microbiome cause ASD, or are both conditions interconnected in multiple ways? Is there a genetic link between the ASD child and the microbiome and how is the microbiome of the child related to his or her immediate family?
Which only reinforces my point that its very clear that Autism is a real, new disease with a biological root. Which you would know if you had read the context of the discussion. The comorbidity of autism and gut problems has been pretty well established, which wouldnt be the case if it was just a fad psych diagnosis like ADHD.
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The statistical differences in facial shape of autistic children cannot be used as a diagnostic tool, regardless of what pop media reporters might tell you.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111020105914.htm
Which isnt the point I was making, but thank you for linking to a better source that also proves the point I was making.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:34:39 AM
Ron Paul, I hate to tell you this, but your critical thinking skills are terrible and I am starting to be concerned that you may actually be stupid.
In 2010 the autism rate was 1 in every 150 children. Do you believe that the birthrate for autism has always been this high? That we have had this many people a with a very distinct disease with physical symptoms that just went unnoticed for years? Why has its subsequent recognition and diagnosis not resulted in a drop in whatever other diagnosis it was being mistaken for? Do you believe this is just a fad diagnosis, and if you do how do you explain the comorbid physical symptoms?
Genetic traits don't just suddenly pop up spread across a wide swath of the population (unless there's some guy out there fucking an awful lot of chicks without protection). That's not how genetics works in real life, that's only how it works in
The X-Men. (Unless you believe it's the result of vaccines or something, in which case you might want to switch to getting your science from
The X-Men because that would probably be a step up)
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 06:15:35 AM
Why has its subsequent recognition and diagnosis not resulted in a drop in whatever other diagnosis it was being mistaken for?
Why would it be mistaken for something? Most of these kids wouldn't have been brought to the doctor at all before the news media made it their scary disease of the week. Which isn't to say that it's not a real condition, but it's a first world problem white people condition like restless leg syndrome, lactose intolerance, sleep apnea, fear of airplanes, or obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 29, 2016, 07:45:55 AM
Genetic traits don't just suddenly pop up spread across a wide swath of the population (unless there's some guy out there fucking an awful lot of chicks without protection). That's not how genetics works in real life, that's only how it works in The X-Men. (Unless you believe it's the result of vaccines or something, in which case you might want to switch to getting your science from The X-Men because that would probably be a step up)
My belief is or something.
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(autism is) a first world problem white people condition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsJ154jWRsU
Ok.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:34:39 AM
Ron Paul, I hate to tell you this, but your critical thinking skills are terrible and I am starting to be concerned that you may actually be stupid.
No... he disqualified himself from stupidity as an excuse pages ago. I believe he may in fact be suffering from some form of sophic memeostasis disorder but I can't be certain without a closer look under the hood. His mask of reason has slipped and chipped a few times, but it's overall well constructed enough to keep slipping back into. He's extremely comfortable doing so until someone stops "taking him seriously" here or points out his various behavioral inconsistencies.
He is certainly
aware enough to know I'm sending you this analysis, but I fear that his abusers have in fact done a pretty good "Bob"job on his reasoning faculty and probably jammed his pineal gland all to shit with "a bit of the old in-out in-out" to boot, limiting his ch1 chakra's ability to influence the bruised and vastly, suqickily overloaded ch2 "third eye" chakra. It's why he needs a strong-woman power object or non threatening "soft-cis" placation proxy to fixate on or divert blame with respectively. In a very real way he's
still getting fucked even as he reads this by whoever did this. I suspect the NRX, but he hasn't yet displayed obvious elfiplasia
YET so I can't be sure until he finally stops pretending to be here to "innocwntly swit-post" or whatever.
Poor bastard might never regain full autonomous ego ever again. :sad:
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Ron Paul, autism may be on the rise. There are several hypotheses about why that might be happening, including the environmental-disruptor hypothesis and the fraternization hypothesis. However, it is not new. The name is new, but the disorder is documented back to the dawn of psychology. It did not "go unnoticed for years", that's just made up.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/autism-rates-are-it-really-rise
Please stop getting your information from "autism speaks", which is a website largely considered actual garbage in Autism research circles as well as among the Autistic. Also consider avoiding information from conspiracy theory websites. Autism is a very large and active field of research, and while I am not an autism researcher, as a developmental neuroendcrinologist I do know and work with autism researchers, including Dr. Fair, who is eminent in the field. I can point you toward legitimate articles and resources that are not merely scaremongering for fundraising purposes.
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:12:46 PM
Ron Paul, autism may be on the rise. There are several hypotheses about why that might be happening, including the environmental-disruptor hypothesis and the fraternization hypothesis. However, it is not new. The name is new, but the disorder is documented back to the dawn of psychology. It did not "go unnoticed for years", that's just made up.
Youll notice a question mark after "went unnoticed for years."
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/autism-rates-are-it-really-rise
Please stop getting your information from "autism speaks", which is a website largely considered actual garbage in Autism research circles as well as among the Autistic. Also consider avoiding information from conspiracy theory websites. Autism is a very large and active field of research, and while I am not an autism researcher, as a developmental neuroendcrinologist I do know and work with autism researchers, including Dr. Fair, who is eminent in the field. I can point you toward legitimate articles and resources that are not merely scaremongering for fundraising purposes.
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The possibility that autism numbers have jumped as children's' diagnoses are changed has been discussed, says Annette Estes, director of the University of Washington's Autism Center in Seattle. The Penn State study's use of the vast special education database makes a convincing case that is happening, she says. But it doesn't explain all of the increase. "People who are in the field are generally in consensus that the majority of the increase is due to progress in our ability to diagnose and identify people with autism in a broader spectrum than used to be possible," Estes says. "But then there is this portion of an increase that is not accounted for in a lot of statistical studies that are done."
So in other words, Autism is on the rise. If you look at the actual study here:
http://science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2015-news/Girirajan7-2015
It only talks about changing diagnosis categories. If you look at the chart in this study it also only addresses 2000 to 2010. If you look at any of the longer range charts there is a very sharp spike here, but there is also a previous upward trend. One that even this stud acknowledges. There was a danish study:
http://www.vitamindwiki.com/dl1885&display&max=500
Which found that only 60% of the rise in autism diagnoses could be explained this way. That leaves a very real upward trend.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
By
agreeing with me? So far your main criticism has been with the sources I pasted, thank you again for giving me better sources for the point I was already making.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 29, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Especially since it consists mostly of a guy who trying to tell me Autism isnt real and Nigel linking me to research papers that prove my point while insulting me.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 29, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Especially since it consists mostly of a guy who trying to tell me Autism isnt real and Nigel linking me to research papers that prove my point while insulting me.
What IS your point? How does it relate to the election?
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 29, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Especially since it consists mostly of a guy who trying to tell me Autism isnt real and Nigel linking me to research papers that prove my point while insulting me.
What IS your point? How does it relate to the election?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
Depopulation doesnt really do much for me either, its mostly rich people horseshit. But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
If the autism part of that offends all of you or something Im more than happy to redact it, the point still stands. We have a limited timeline, a constant holding pattern of compromise will lead to disaster. This is why we need to elect Anime Nazis.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
Nigel, after going through several proposed causes of the autism rise that failed it then quotes the exact same Danish study I did.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25365033
You are now literally refuting my own points, with my own points.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:12:46 PM
Please stop getting your information from "autism speaks", which is a website largely considered actual garbage in Autism research circles as well as among the Autistic.
And "garbage" is putting it nicely. Personally I would describe them as a self-righteous self-serving credulous and superstitious crypto-Nazi hate group masquerading as a charity for publicity purposes.
And when I heard that Suzanne Wright died I was considerably more pleased and relieved than I was when I heard Osama Bin Laden was dead. Long may she burn.
EDIT:
As an aside, and a fun thought experiment, which of Dante's circles of Hell do you all think Suzanne Wright would have gone to. I'm thinking either fourth circle (greed), seventh circle third ring (violence against nature), second Malebolge (bullshitters), tenth Malebolge (falsifiers), Caina (treachery against kin), or Ptolomaea (treachery against guests and beneficiaries)
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 29, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Especially since it consists mostly of a guy who trying to tell me Autism isnt real and Nigel linking me to research papers that prove my point while insulting me.
What IS your point? How does it relate to the election?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
Depopulation doesnt really do much for me either, its mostly rich people horseshit. But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
If the autism part of that offends all of you or something Im more than happy to redact it, the point still stands. We have a limited timeline, a constant holding pattern of compromise will lead to disaster. This is why we need to elect Anime Nazis.
:lulz: So you are claiming that increasing rates of autism is part of a long-range depopulation plan? How, exactly, is that supposed to work?
If population reduction were the goal, it would be easier, faster, and more effective to simply stop subsidizing vaccination. For that matter, it would be easier, cheaper, and faster to make birth control and abortion universally free and accessible.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
Nigel, after going through several proposed causes of the autism rise that failed it then quotes the exact same Danish study I did.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25365033
You are now literally refuting my own points, with my own points.
No, I was providing factually correct information to counter the disgustingly off-base claims you were making about autism and diagnosis. Correcting the record is not the same as refuting your idiotic conspiracy theories, which is a game I won't play.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Please do further elaborate on how the conspiracy to reduce the population by increasing autism rates is relevant to the election.
Oooooh, ooooh, let me guess; is it because $hillary is a lizard person who will bring about the downfall of civilization?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 09:51:57 PM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Please do further elaborate on how the conspiracy to reduce the population by increasing autism rates is relevant to the election.
Oooooh, ooooh, let me guess; is it because $hillary is a lizard person who will bring about the downfall of civilization?
That is, an amazingly
creative misreading of everything Ive posted. Im genuinely curious, can you point out what Ive posted in this thread that leads you to believe this?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
Nigel, after going through several proposed causes of the autism rise that failed it then quotes the exact same Danish study I did.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25365033
You are now literally refuting my own points, with my own points.
No, I was providing factually correct information to counter the disgustingly off-base claims you were making about autism and diagnosis. Correcting the record is not the same as refuting your idiotic conspiracy theories, which is a game I won't play.
>Autism Rates are increasing, this is not entirely explained by a mere increase in diagnosis
>idiotic conspiracy theory
So you think there is no actual increase in autism rates? Like, if you disagree thats one thing, but I dont see how believing that Autism is increasing is a conspiracy theory. Especially since the sources that
you posted agree.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 09:51:57 PM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Please do further elaborate on how the conspiracy to reduce the population by increasing autism rates is relevant to the election.
Oooooh, ooooh, let me guess; is it because $hillary is a lizard person who will bring about the downfall of civilization?
That is, an amazingly creative misreading of everything Ive posted. Im genuinely curious, can you point out what Ive posted in this thread that leads you to believe this?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/09/22/autism-increase-mystery-solved-no-its-not-vaccines-gmos-glyphosate-or-organic-foods/
Nigel, after going through several proposed causes of the autism rise that failed it then quotes the exact same Danish study I did.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25365033
You are now literally refuting my own points, with my own points.
No, I was providing factually correct information to counter the disgustingly off-base claims you were making about autism and diagnosis. Correcting the record is not the same as refuting your idiotic conspiracy theories, which is a game I won't play.
>Autism Rates are increasing, this is not entirely explained by a mere increase in diagnosis
>idiotic conspiracy theory
So you think there is no actual increase in autism rates? Like, if you disagree thats one thing, but I dont see how believing that Autism is increasing is a conspiracy theory. Especially since the sources that you posted agree.
I said that they may be increasing. The parts of your argument that I clarified with accurate information have nothing to do with that.
What's your fucking point, Ron Paul? So what if autism rates are increasing, and what does it have to do with the election? Do you even have a point that is relevant?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
I said that they may be increasing. The parts of your argument that I clarified with accurate information have nothing to do with that.
Except you know, when that info was the exact same info I posted. Which kind of reinforces my theory that you arent actually reading what I write.
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What's your fucking point, Ron Paul? So what if autism rates are increasing, and what does it have to do with the election? Do you even have a point that is relevant?
God youre really honing in on the autism thing, here:
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
The president doesnt really matter, although Trump will win, it is written in the stars. What matters is the GOP being hijacked by Anime Nazis. Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent. The reigns of power are free to grab, you dont have to be a spectator.
This is the third time you have read this.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
LOL Artificially high drug prices.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36248
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
:eek:... :|... :sad:.... :cry:... :weary:
Oh boy, did you just really? It's one thing to accuse Nigel of not thoroughly reading your "intellectual" spam links. Maybe she didn't, but she's not obligated to swallow your shit either way. It's QUITE another to imply inability. Your mask has slipped again and it's getting old, real old.
Don't you have a Republican party to go take over or something? Go help them if that's the future you're committed to. If you wish to Lap up your masters' rotten shit and post about how amazing it is, fine by me. If you wish to again insult Nigel's person consider instead just eating another fistful of "Red Pills" so you can go cuck yourself.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Artificially high drug prices.
As a rule the price of anything protected by intellectual property law is artificially inflated
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:52:15 PM
I said that they may be increasing. The parts of your argument that I clarified with accurate information have nothing to do with that.
Except you know, when that info was the exact same info I posted. Which kind of reinforces my theory that you arent actually reading what I write.
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What's your fucking point, Ron Paul? So what if autism rates are increasing, and what does it have to do with the election? Do you even have a point that is relevant?
God youre really honing in on the autism thing, here:
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
The president doesnt really matter, although Trump will win, it is written in the stars. What matters is the GOP being hijacked by Anime Nazis. Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent. The reigns of power are free to grab, you dont have to be a spectator.
This is the third time you have read this.
Yet, I still can't find a cogent point. I wonder how on earth I graduated cum laude with three simultaneously-earned degrees in four and a half years and then got into grad school? How is it possible that someone with such poor reading comprehension could be tasked with such a thing? It's a mystery, "Ron Paul", a complete mystery, and certainly not at all that you can't write in a way that is logically parsable by a reasonable human.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
It was the closest thing to a conclusion I could draw from your word salad.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 30, 2016, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
:eek:... :|... :sad:.... :cry:... :weary:
Oh boy, did you just really? It's one thing to accuse Nigel of not thoroughly reading your "intellectual" spam links. Maybe she didn't, but she's not obligated to swallow your shit either way. It's QUITE another to imply inability. Your mask has slipped again and it's getting old, real old.
Don't you have a Republican party to go take over or something? Go help them if that's the future you're committed to. If you wish to Lap up your masters' rotten shit and post about how amazing it is, fine by me. If you wish to again insult Nigel's person consider instead just eating another fistful of "Red Pills" so you can go cuck yourself.
The reason I say this is, I stated what I believed, twice. Then she somehow got Alex Jones depopulation theories from it. Which again, aside from the word "depopulation" appearing Im struggling to figure out. Im noticing a pattern of people just insulting me and not actually engaging with my ideas(LOL WHAT IDEAS AMIRITE?!!11 Like subscribe uptoke). Which by all means I dont mind, Im not going anywhere either way.
Seriously, RP, *can* you explain your point? Do you even know what it is?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 02:22:55 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 30, 2016, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
:eek:... :|... :sad:.... :cry:... :weary:
Oh boy, did you just really? It's one thing to accuse Nigel of not thoroughly reading your "intellectual" spam links. Maybe she didn't, but she's not obligated to swallow your shit either way. It's QUITE another to imply inability. Your mask has slipped again and it's getting old, real old.
Don't you have a Republican party to go take over or something? Go help them if that's the future you're committed to. If you wish to Lap up your masters' rotten shit and post about how amazing it is, fine by me. If you wish to again insult Nigel's person consider instead just eating another fistful of "Red Pills" so you can go cuck yourself.
The reason I say this is, I stated what I believed, twice. Then she somehow got Alex Jones depopulation theories from it. Which again, aside from the word "depopulation" appearing Im struggling to figure out. Im noticing a pattern of people just insulting me and not actually engaging with my ideas(LOL WHAT IDEAS AMIRITE?!!11 Like subscribe uptoke). Which by all means I dont mind, Im not going anywhere either way.
Allllll these people who just can't seem to figure out what you're trying to say.
Huh.
Must be them.
:lol:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 02:22:33 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
It was the closest thing to a conclusion I could draw from your word salad.
The way our society currently runs is poisoning us. This is bad. We should stop it. Its a good thing that both parties are currently imploding because they are both committed to poisoning us. Hopefully in the process we can get people in power who think poisoning us is a bad idea and will stop it.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 02:25:44 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 02:22:33 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
It was the closest thing to a conclusion I could draw from your word salad.
The way our society currently runs is poisoning us. This is bad. We should stop it. Its a good thing that both parties are currently imploding because they are both committed to poisoning us. Hopefully in the process we can get people in power who think poisoning us is a bad idea and will stop it.
"I can no longer sit back and allow this infiltration and subversion to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 02:25:44 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 02:22:33 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
It was the closest thing to a conclusion I could draw from your word salad.
The way our society currently runs is poisoning us. This is bad. We should stop it. Its a good thing that both parties are currently imploding because they are both committed to poisoning us. Hopefully in the process we can get people in power who think poisoning us is a bad idea and will stop it.
Okay, that's very nice.
But back to my question: what was your point in bringing up autism?
Oh damn I just realized you mean *literally* poisoning us.
Really? Like, deliberately because of reasons, or like, environmental toxicity as a byproduct of rampant, virtually unchecked corporate capitalism with no incentive for environmental responsibility?
If the latter, I can absolutely get behind that.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 29, 2016, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
Can we split the autism "debate" from the politics thread?
Probably a good idea at this point.
Especially since it consists mostly of a guy who trying to tell me Autism isnt real and Nigel linking me to research papers that prove my point while insulting me.
It's real. Just like ebola is real. Remember a couple of years back when there was all that ebola going around except it was really limited to a few parts of Africa of the sorts that at any given time you might expect to be suffering a plague anyway.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 03:54:29 AM
Oh damn I just realized you mean *literally* poisoning us.
Really? Like, deliberately because of reasons, or like, environmental toxicity as a byproduct of rampant, virtually unchecked corporate capitalism with no incentive for environmental responsibility?
If the latter, I can absolutely get behind that.
Latter. Also now that you have reached the startling conclusion that you agree with me, please read these previous two threads and notice all the times I pointed out that you agree with me. What in the fuck was this argument even over.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
LOL Artificially high drug prices.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36248
Requesting this post back to the election thread. Also this thread should be renamed "You just keep fucking that horse"
xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed), just to notify you, I edited your initial post in this comment chain to change the subject topic.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 02:22:55 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on October 30, 2016, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2016, 04:14:49 PM
Why am I wasting my time trying to reason with this paranoid toolkit?
So far most of your "reasoning" consists of agreeing with me and as far as I can tell not even reading what I write.
Your inability to make a clear, cogent point is not my problem. :lol:
I could say the same of your inability to read. Im still trying to figure out how you got depopulation conspiracy theories from what I wrote.
:eek:... :|... :sad:.... :cry:... :weary:
Oh boy, did you just really? It's one thing to accuse Nigel of not thoroughly reading your "intellectual" spam links. Maybe she didn't, but she's not obligated to swallow your shit either way. It's QUITE another to imply inability. Your mask has slipped again and it's getting old, real old.
Don't you have a Republican party to go take over or something? Go help them if that's the future you're committed to. If you wish to Lap up your masters' rotten shit and post about how amazing it is, fine by me. If you wish to again insult Nigel's person consider instead just eating another fistful of "Red Pills" so you can go cuck yourself.
The reason I say this is, I stated what I believed, twice. Then she somehow got Alex Jones depopulation theories from it. Which again, aside from the word "depopulation" appearing Im struggling to figure out. Im noticing a pattern of people just insulting me and not actually engaging with my ideas(LOL WHAT IDEAS AMIRITE?!!11 Like subscribe uptoke). Which by all means I dont mind, Im not going anywhere either way.
I can see that you're not going anywhere. THAT has been evident since you proclaimed your support for Donald Trump while wearing a "vote for Stein" button on your outdated, disingenuous Ron Paul uniform.
You're obviously very confused.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 05:05:07 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 03:54:29 AM
Oh damn I just realized you mean *literally* poisoning us.
Really? Like, deliberately because of reasons, or like, environmental toxicity as a byproduct of rampant, virtually unchecked corporate capitalism with no incentive for environmental responsibility?
If the latter, I can absolutely get behind that.
Latter. Also now that you have reached the startling conclusion that you agree with me, please read these previous two threads and notice all the times I pointed out that you agree with me. What in the fuck was this argument even over.
Ain't nobody got time for that. :lulz: Your difficulties with creating clear written communication do not in any way translate to a homework project for me. And don't go congratulating yourself on me "agreeing" with you; I agree about a specific aspect, which is that unchecked capitalism is destroying our ecological system. I in no means agree that Trump, Stein, or any of the alternative candidates will be in any way effective at changing that.
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Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 29, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
LOL Artificially high drug prices.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36248
Requesting this post back to the election thread. Also this thread should be renamed "You just keep fucking that horse"
Good luck with that. :roll:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 05:05:07 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 03:54:29 AM
Oh damn I just realized you mean *literally* poisoning us.
Really? Like, deliberately because of reasons, or like, environmental toxicity as a byproduct of rampant, virtually unchecked corporate capitalism with no incentive for environmental responsibility?
If the latter, I can absolutely get behind that.
Latter. Also now that you have reached the startling conclusion that you agree with me, please read these previous two threads and notice all the times I pointed out that you agree with me. What in the fuck was this argument even over.
Ain't nobody got time for that. :lulz: Your difficulties with creating clear written communication do not in any way translate to a homework project for me. And don't go congratulating yourself on me "agreeing" with you; I agree about a specific aspect, which is that unchecked capitalism is destroying our ecological system. I in no means agree that Trump, Stein, or any of the alternative candidates will be in any way effective at changing that.
I never said they would. In fact I said the opposite. Nor am I congratulating myself on you agreeing with me, since I havent swayed your opinion at all.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: Faust on October 27, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
A lot of this is true, and some of it I would need to check on.
I would however say that the outcome of this election and any subsequent ones will have no bearing on the outcome of this.
We are living on a planet with 7 billion people, in all likelyhood in 30 years from now, we'll be living in one with 2 billion people and that has NOTHING to do with infertility rates, its just basic supply and demand and centralisation of risk.
I don't believe anyone in power will be in a position to set policy on this, they will have policy thrust upon them. So lets enjoy this election cycle for the meaningless spectacle of shitty candidates that it is.
Depopulation doesnt really do much for me either, its mostly rich people horseshit. But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
The president doesnt really matter, although Trump will win, it is written in the stars. What matters is the GOP being hijacked by Anime Nazis. Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent. The reigns of power are free to grab, you dont have to be a spectator.
By the way Faust had absolutely no problem understanding what Im saying.
Overall the mental state of the world's people is better than it has ever been in history. Thanks to medication, education, and mass communication, fatuousness and ignorance and deranged thinking are at an all time low.
And the most pressing mental problem remaining in this modern world isn't autism, it's wingnuts and social justice warriors; I wish they'd just kill each other off already.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 05:05:07 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 03:54:29 AM
Oh damn I just realized you mean *literally* poisoning us.
Really? Like, deliberately because of reasons, or like, environmental toxicity as a byproduct of rampant, virtually unchecked corporate capitalism with no incentive for environmental responsibility?
If the latter, I can absolutely get behind that.
Latter. Also now that you have reached the startling conclusion that you agree with me, please read these previous two threads and notice all the times I pointed out that you agree with me. What in the fuck was this argument even over.
Ain't nobody got time for that. :lulz: Your difficulties with creating clear written communication do not in any way translate to a homework project for me. And don't go congratulating yourself on me "agreeing" with you; I agree about a specific aspect, which is that unchecked capitalism is destroying our ecological system. I in no means agree that Trump, Stein, or any of the alternative candidates will be in any way effective at changing that.
I never said they would. In fact I said the opposite. Nor am I congratulating myself on you agreeing with me, since I havent swayed your opinion at all.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 27, 2016, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: Faust on October 27, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
A lot of this is true, and some of it I would need to check on.
I would however say that the outcome of this election and any subsequent ones will have no bearing on the outcome of this.
We are living on a planet with 7 billion people, in all likelyhood in 30 years from now, we'll be living in one with 2 billion people and that has NOTHING to do with infertility rates, its just basic supply and demand and centralisation of risk.
I don't believe anyone in power will be in a position to set policy on this, they will have policy thrust upon them. So lets enjoy this election cycle for the meaningless spectacle of shitty candidates that it is.
Depopulation doesnt really do much for me either, its mostly rich people horseshit. But you say 30 years from now like we have 30 years. Look at the autism rate of 2016 vs 1986. Look at how drastic the fertility rates are changing. Look at the already evident effects of global warming. Passivity is not an option.
The president doesnt really matter, although Trump will win, it is written in the stars. What matters is the GOP being hijacked by Anime Nazis. Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent. The reigns of power are free to grab, you dont have to be a spectator.
By the way Faust had absolutely no problem understanding what Im saying.
Good for you. No doubt he tried a bit harder; perhaps he is still under the impression that you have something to say that is worth reading.
:lol:
Don't drag me into this autism thing guys, its a topic I know little to nothing about. In the other thread I didn't so much agree that ecological policy needs to be the driving point of the candidates, rather that the conditions in the world will thrust the policy upon them as the ecological toilet bowl eventually completely blocks.
Apart from autism, there are severe side effects coming about of a lot of the materials used in manufacturing, and a lot of the hazardous gasses we thought we had beaten, had merely been locked in polar ice, and are now coming back to haunt us.
The autism thing bothers me, but you also mentioned infertility, and this may make me a bad guy, but I dont think an infertility epidemic would be a bad thing, if it was temporary, and had no other side effects.
Quote from: Faust on October 30, 2016, 06:12:21 PM
The autism thing bothers me, but you also mentioned infertility, and this may make me a bad guy, but I dont think an infertility epidemic would be a bad thing, if it was temporary, and had no other side effects.
There already is one. It wont be temporary. It does have other side effects.
http://ispub.com/IJU/2/1/7519
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Subsequent studies have confirmed and strengthened Skakkebaek's findings. A survey of 1,350 sperm donors in Paris found a decline in sperm counts by around 2% each year over the past 23 years, with younger men having the poorest-quality semen (1, 5 and 6). In another study at the University of Helsinki led by Jarkko Farjarinen, testicular tissue was examined at post-mortem from 528 middle-aged Finnish men who died suddenly in either 1981 or 1991 (11). Among the men who died in 1981, 56.4% had normal, healthy sperm production. By 1991, however, this figure had dropped dramatically to 26.9%. The average weight of the men's testes decreased over the decade, while the proportion of useless fibrous testicular tissue increased. Adamopoulos et al (12) in Athens examined 23,850 men between 1977 to 1993 (17 years) and found similar results to Farjarinen (11).
In Edinburgh a recent study by Irwin (2) saw a 25% decrease in sperm count over 20 years, the results are shown in table 1 below. The worrying thing about this downward trend is that a sperm count less than 20 million sperms per ml is interpreted as being infertile, if this downward trend of counts were to continue then values less than this will be the average in the next millennium.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3739152/
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In the latest study on young Finnish men,18 an increasing tendency of the percentage of men having sperm concentrations below 40 million ml−1 was observed. In the latest birth cohort, 43% of men had sperm concentration below the limit of 40 million ml−1,18 which has been associated with decreased fertility via increasing time to pregnancy.25 In a more recent study, below the sperm concentration of 55 million ml−1, time to pregnancy was observed to increase with decreasing sperm concentrations.26 This suggests that an increasing percentage of Finnish men may suffer of reduced fertility in the future.18 In Denmark, Norway and Germany also, a notable proportion of young men have semen concentrations below 40 or 55 million ml−1.17,23
Semen quality in young Finnish men is not good and causes concern for andrologists. An increasing need for assisted reproduction techniques, such as sperm microinjection and insemination by donor sperm has been reported in Finland over the last few years.27
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Conclusion
Finnish men had high sperm concentrations in studies published during the last decades. However, according to most recent studies on young men published in 2011, sperm concentrations have declined in Finland, unrelated to lifestyle, age or abstinence time. Follow-up of new cohorts of young Finnish men is needed to study whether such a trend will continue.
Each subsequent generation is worse:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26789272
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The current study examined semen parameters of young adult men from 2003 to 2013 at an urban U.S. sperm bank. Semen parameters were analyzed before and after cryopreservation for a total of 9425 specimens from 489 individuals. Demographic information was obtained from a social and medical history questionnaire. Following 2-3 days abstinence, the specimens were collected at the laboratory and assessed by uniform technicians and techniques. The data were analyzed using generalized linear regression after adjustment for age, days of abstinence, for repeated samples, as well as by the Cochran-Armitage trend test. The within variability was accounted for by the repeated measures model. All p values were two-sided with p < 0.05 considered significant. There was a significant decline in sperm concentration (-3.55, 95% CI -4.87, -2.23; p < 0.001), total motility (-1.23, 95% CI -1.65, -0.82; p < 0.001), total count (-10.75, 95% CI -15.95, -5.54; p < 0.001) and total motile count (-9.43, 95% CI -13.14, -5.73; p < 0.001). There was no significant change in semen volume (0.03, 95% CI -0.02, 0.09; p = 0.2). The post-thaw total motility significantly (-2.30, 95% CI -2.72, -1.87; p < 0.001) decreased with time. Importantly, demographic and lifestyle factors were stable or improved over the study period. There was a decline in age (p(trend) = 0.003) and alcohol use (p(trend) = 0.005) and an increase in college GPA (Grade Point Average) (p(trend) = 0.02). BMI (p(trend) = 0.73), educational attainment (p(trend) = 0.2), race/ethnicity (p(trend) = 0.53), and lifestyle habits (weekly exercise, p(trend) = 0.21; smoking, p(trend) = 0.99; marital status, p(trend) = 0.85) remained constant. Uniform technicians and techniques over the study period make measurement bias unlikely. This report demonstrates a decline in semen quality among young adult men in the Boston area who were attending or completed a college education during the past 10 years, and requires further study.
This is because it is most likely caused by Endocrine Disrupting chemicals in the enviorment:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3845732/ <-read this whole thing
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This paper has reviewed the existing evidence regarding ED and the rising rates of human infertility. Although the number of ED mentioned is not comprehensive, an adequate amount of data has accumulated demonstrating that EDs may have deleterious effects on human reproduction via numerous mechanisms. ED may be blamed for the rising incidence of human reproductive disorders, and may also explain some idiopathic infertility cases, both in men and women.
Its important to restate that these endocrine disruptors bioaccumulate. We dont have to just deal with the effects of the current plastics/cosmetics/pesticides/whatever the fuck else in use, but all the EDs that have been made in the past. All the years worth of plastic in landfills leeching into the soil. All the xenoestrogenic makeup that has washed down the drain to accumulate in the environment. Its not inconceivable if this trend continues that we could see a majority of people born infertile. More disturbing is, its important to remember that this is all based on exposure. Even perfectly healthy people who become exposed to these substances would see the same effects. The future is a world of inedible fish, undrinkable water, soil that sprouts poison food. An largely uninhabitable earth.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
Good for you. No doubt he tried a bit harder; perhaps he is still under the impression that you have something to say that is worth reading.
:lol:
Oh I see, its not that you cant read what i wrote its that you didnt even try. Which is my fault for some reason. That would explain this entire thread. Thank you for your honesty
I didnt link to the "other" effects:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2706654/
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The neuroendocrine pathways regulating reproductive behavior are similarly organized and affected by steroid hormones. In rats, lordosis is a reflexive receptive posture made by the female in response to male mounting and is a hallmark indication of sexual receptivity. Whereas circulating estrogens play an essential role in stimulating lordosis in females (Davidson and Bloch, 1969; Lisk, 1969; Komisaruk and Diakow, 1973; Pfaff, 1999; Pfaff and Sakuma, 1979), males rarely display lordosis behavior even after estrogen administration in adulthood (Yamanouchi and Aria, 1976). However, neonatal steroid hormone manipulation can retain in the capacity to evoke lordosis in males, and suppress proceptive behavioral displays by females, indicating that sex-specific behaviors are also organized by steroid hormones in the perinatal period (Gerall, 1967; Gorski, 1963, 1985; Grady et al., 1965; Sodersten, 1978; Patisaul et al., 2009a; Whalen and Nadler, 1963; Whales et al., 1986). Thus, aberrant organization of sex specific neuroendocrine circuits can have profound and permanent effects on sex specific reproductive physiology and behavior. Consequently, the organization of neuroendocrine pathways is considered to be particularly vulnerable to endocrine disruption. Most examples detailed within this review result from endocrine disruption of the neuroendocrine system.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
Good for you. No doubt he tried a bit harder; perhaps he is still under the impression that you have something to say that is worth reading.
:lol:
Oh I see, its not that you cant read what i wrote its that you didnt even try. Which is my fault for some reason. That would explain this entire thread. Thank you for your honesty
Yeah, ever since I realized you're not too bright and have a fondness for conspiracy theories and baseless rhetoric borrowed from right-wing propaganda, I pretty much just skim your posts for something to make fun of.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 07:52:17 PM
I didnt link to the "other" effects:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2706654/
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The neuroendocrine pathways regulating reproductive behavior are similarly organized and affected by steroid hormones. In rats, lordosis is a reflexive receptive posture made by the female in response to male mounting and is a hallmark indication of sexual receptivity. Whereas circulating estrogens play an essential role in stimulating lordosis in females (Davidson and Bloch, 1969; Lisk, 1969; Komisaruk and Diakow, 1973; Pfaff, 1999; Pfaff and Sakuma, 1979), males rarely display lordosis behavior even after estrogen administration in adulthood (Yamanouchi and Aria, 1976). However, neonatal steroid hormone manipulation can retain in the capacity to evoke lordosis in males, and suppress proceptive behavioral displays by females, indicating that sex-specific behaviors are also organized by steroid hormones in the perinatal period (Gerall, 1967; Gorski, 1963, 1985; Grady et al., 1965; Sodersten, 1978; Patisaul et al., 2009a; Whalen and Nadler, 1963; Whales et al., 1986). Thus, aberrant organization of sex specific neuroendocrine circuits can have profound and permanent effects on sex specific reproductive physiology and behavior. Consequently, the organization of neuroendocrine pathways is considered to be particularly vulnerable to endocrine disruption. Most examples detailed within this review result from endocrine disruption of the neuroendocrine system.
What's your point?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 31, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
Good for you. No doubt he tried a bit harder; perhaps he is still under the impression that you have something to say that is worth reading.
:lol:
Oh I see, its not that you cant read what i wrote its that you didnt even try. Which is my fault for some reason. That would explain this entire thread. Thank you for your honesty
Yeah, ever since I realized you're not too bright and have a fondness for conspiracy theories and baseless rhetoric borrowed from right-wing propaganda, I pretty much just skim your posts for something to make fun of.
For someone convinced that I have nothing worth saying you sure are putting a lot of effort into proving it. And for someone who doesnt see any point in engaging in my ideas this sure is a three page thread of you engaging with my ideas, poorly. On purpose of course, because youre better than me.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 31, 2016, 12:32:46 AM
What's your point?
I wasnt responding to you but rather was adding to my previous post at faust.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 31, 2016, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 31, 2016, 12:32:09 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 30, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2016, 05:23:16 PM
Good for you. No doubt he tried a bit harder; perhaps he is still under the impression that you have something to say that is worth reading.
:lol:
Oh I see, its not that you cant read what i wrote its that you didnt even try. Which is my fault for some reason. That would explain this entire thread. Thank you for your honesty
Yeah, ever since I realized you're not too bright and have a fondness for conspiracy theories and baseless rhetoric borrowed from right-wing propaganda, I pretty much just skim your posts for something to make fun of.
For someone convinced that I have nothing worth saying you sure are putting a lot of effort into proving it. And for someone who doesnt see any point in engaging in my ideas this sure is a three page thread of you engaging with my ideas, poorly. On purpose of course, because youre better than me.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 31, 2016, 12:32:46 AM
What's your point?
I wasnt responding to you but rather was adding to my previous post at faust.
What's that you say?
Total aside - I'm very disappointed with the title of this thread.
Surely something like "ITT - Autism" would be more appropriate.
Quote from: Junkenstein on October 31, 2016, 05:53:51 PM
Total aside - I'm very disappointed with the title of this thread.
Surely something like "ITT - Autism" would be more appropriate.
Seconding.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 31, 2016, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on October 31, 2016, 05:53:51 PM
Total aside - I'm very disappointed with the title of this thread.
Surely something like "ITT - Autism" would be more appropriate.
Seconding.
I like the thread title though. Cain worked hard on it. Motion tabled for consideration by the committee in due course.
Next I move that Ron Paul be required to instead find a new name for his account more suitable to the current thread title until such time as the motion for thread name change be taken up and given due procedural debate by the Oligarchy or any designated sub-body.
You try and come up with something witty inbetween puking your guts out. I didn't split though, just renamed it when I noticed it hadn't been done and was confusing when browsing from the main forum page.
Quote from: Cain on November 01, 2016, 09:30:51 AM
You try and come up with something witty inbetween puking your guts out. I didn't split though, just renamed it when I noticed it hadn't been done and was confusing when browsing from the main forum page.
The autism poison has got you too?!
I keep reading the title as "Autism Demonstration"
Quote from: MMIX on November 03, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
I keep reading the title as "Autism Demonstration"
This is quite fitting. As newsfeed if not a retitle.