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Started by LMNO, January 17, 2014, 04:07:21 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Hoopla on January 17, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 17, 2014, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 04:07:21 PM
Yes, it's Slate, but it's interesting.

QuoteOne consequence... is the division that DWYL creates among workers, largely along class lines. Work becomes divided into two opposing classes: that which is lovable (creative, intellectual, socially prestigious) and that which is not (repetitive, unintellectual, undistinguished). Those in the lovable-work camp are vastly more privileged in terms of wealth, social status, education, society's racial biases, and political clout, while comprising a small minority of the workforce.

QuoteYet with the vast majority of workers effectively invisible to elites busy in their lovable occupations, how can it be surprising that the heavy strains faced by today's workers—abysmal wages, massive child care costs, etc.—barely register as political issues even among the liberal faction of the ruling class?
In ignoring most work and reclassifying the rest as love, DWYL may be the most elegant anti-worker ideology around. Why should workers assemble and assert their class interests if there's no such thing as work?

QuoteDWYL reinforces exploitation even within the so-called lovable professions, where off-the-clock, underpaid, or unpaid labor is the new norm: reporters required to do the work of their laid-off photographers, publicists expected to pin and tweet on weekends, the 46 percent of the workforce expected to check their work email on sick days. Nothing makes exploitation go down easier than convincing workers that they are doing what they love.
Instead of crafting a nation of self-fulfilled, happy workers, our DWYL era has seen the rise of the adjunct professor and the unpaid intern: people persuaded to work for cheap or free, or even for a net loss of wealth.

QuoteDo what you love and you'll never work a day in your life! Before succumbing to the intoxicating warmth of that promise, it's critical to ask, "Who, exactly, benefits from making work feel like nonwork?" "Why should workers feel as if they aren't working when they are?" In masking the very exploitative mechanisms of labor that it fuels, DWYL is, in fact, the most perfect ideological tool of capitalism.

I think I agree with their premise, actually.

I do too.

I'm reminded of something I read recently (can't remember where) which asked "Should people who love their job be paid less?"

Sure, they're already working on weekends and sick days... why not pay them less too?

Hang on now.  I never said shit about paying them less.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

So, what, I should get a job I hate?

Um.

Wait a minute.

HEY, YOU CAN ALL BE SUNNY & UPBEAT LIKE ME!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

Well, as one of the privliged white kids growing up, I got the "follow your bliss" and "do what you love" and "find a job you love" stuff a lot.  It didn't help that my dad loved physics and science, and was a physics teacher, and became director of a national physics lab, and became a national science advisor.

So, there I was, I loved music, I loved horses, I loved books... And 30 years later I'm not a cowboy or rockstar or noted academic, I'm grinding it out in a financial corporation, analyzing IRS and SEC regulations as it pertains to life insurance.  It kind of fucked me up for a while. 

I know, petty, rich white guy whining.

And I know, I know, I'm still rocking, I still get to ride, I still read.  But to spend 8-10 hours a day doing something I really have no deep enjoyment of at all, at all, is kind of shitty.

:emo:

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
Well, as one of the privliged white kids growing up, I got the "follow your bliss" and "do what you love" and "find a job you love" stuff a lot.  It didn't help that my dad loved physics and science, and was a physics teacher, and became director of a national physics lab, and became a national science advisor.

So, there I was, I loved music, I loved horses, I loved books... And 30 years later I'm not a cowboy or rockstar or noted academic, I'm grinding it out in a financial corporation, analyzing IRS and SEC regulations as it pertains to life insurance.  It kind of fucked me up for a while. 

I know, petty, rich white guy whining.

And I know, I know, I'm still rocking, I still get to ride, I still read.  But to spend 8-10 hours a day doing something I really have no deep enjoyment of at all, at all, is kind of shitty.

:emo:

According to the article, you're doing the right thing.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

Hm.  I didn't think if it like that.  I notice that I am uncomfortable. 

That indicates a potential learning option.

The Good Reverend Roger

All I know is that I hate my job, I hate my fucking coworkers, and every day I hate myself a little more for sitting here hating it all.  I put up with this shit so that my daughter can go to a solvent school.  That situation is almost over, fortunately.

I know people who do what they love.  They aren't working unpaid overtime (except, of course, for the ones who work for themselves) or smiling contentedly as they get sodomized by rich liberals or whatever.  They're making a living.  One's a photographer, one's a chemist, etc.

I get where the article is going.  But I also have to ask, who gains by the idea that you should have to hate your job or you're some kind of sell out?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.

It goes back to that whole Puritan thing of suffer in this life so you can earn bliss in the afterlife thing. Everything here should be awful and shitty and suck so much that you're happy to die and you've earned your ticket to heaven by suffering so much here. O.O
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Hulking Dormouse of Lust and DESPAIR™
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"The only way we can ever change anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy." - Akala  'Find No Enemy'.

LMNO

I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

You have three choices:

1.  Do what you love.
2.  Love what you do.
3.  Be angry all the damn time.

I didn't do #1, I can't do #2 most of the time, and so for the moment I am stuck on #3.

For another 6-9 months.  Then I am no longer trapped...At which point I may walk the hell out of this place, or hell, I may even enjoy it again (since it will at that point be optional).

I just think that the idea of preaching (in a rather one-sided manner) that you are FUCKED if you love what you do, or are somehow "part of the problem" or whatever, is the denial of Slack™ as a desirable thing.

"Be content in your misery; it could be worse.  You could like your job."
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

I saw it along the similar lines, but not exactly the same.

The rich have the luxury to do what they love. People who are not rich have to do what they are able to whether they love it or not.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on January 17, 2014, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

I saw it along the similar lines, but not exactly the same.

The rich have the luxury to do what they love. People who are not rich have to do what they are able to whether they love it or not.

You and Nigel are both going back to school, yes?  Presumably to get the credentials to do what you want to do?

Are either of you rich? 

The poor have to bust their fucking genetalia to do what they want to do, and yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved (but not as much as "being born rich"), but both of you are proof that it can be done.

The only difference is that it's more or less handed to rich folks.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 17, 2014, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on January 17, 2014, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

I saw it along the similar lines, but not exactly the same.

The rich have the luxury to do what they love. People who are not rich have to do what they are able to whether they love it or not.

You and Nigel are both going back to school, yes?  Presumably to get the credentials to do what you want to do?

Are either of you rich? 

The poor have to bust their fucking genetalia to do what they want to do, and yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved (but not as much as "being born rich"), but both of you are proof that it can be done.

The only difference is that it's more or less handed to rich folks.

Fair point.

I'm back in school to get the credentials to do what I have to (that is, get a proper job). That I'm generally interested in science is a bonus, but my decision to go into it was based off usefulness of the degree and realizing that the rock star thing probably wasn't going to happen. I'm going to end up doing what I love, but the choice was borne out of necessity as much as anything else (with anything else including the desire to leave my job, or not doing what I don't love).
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

hooplala

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

I read it as "must be nice to have the option of doing something you love".  Perhaps I read it wrong.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Hoopla on January 17, 2014, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

I read it as "must be nice to have the option of doing something you love".  Perhaps I read it wrong.

I have that option.  But I choose not to use that option, as I do not wish to spend time in prison.

Because what I really want to do is rob banks.  No shit.  If I could do anything I wanted, I'd make John Dillinger look like a small time pickpocket.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

hooplala

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 17, 2014, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 17, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
I was seeing it more as a myth that is fed to rich kids, that if you end up not doing something you love, you're somehow a failure.

But I may very well have been reading my own fears and insecurities into the piece.

You have three choices:

1.  Do what you love.
2.  Love what you do.
3.  Be angry all the damn time.

I didn't do #1, I can't do #2 most of the time, and so for the moment I am stuck on #3.

For another 6-9 months.  Then I am no longer trapped...At which point I may walk the hell out of this place, or hell, I may even enjoy it again (since it will at that point be optional).

I just think that the idea of preaching (in a rather one-sided manner) that you are FUCKED if you love what you do, or are somehow "part of the problem" or whatever, is the denial of Slack™ as a desirable thing.

"Be content in your misery; it could be worse.  You could like your job."

You make an excellent point, sir.  I'm probably just bitter after having toured a really excellent film school yesterday and know I can never ever, in a million years, attend it.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman