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#9316
Quote from: LMNO on January 10, 2007, 08:17:13 PM
Kazaa will pay for studio space, microphones, equipment, an engineer, and a mastering studio?


Amazing.

Ah! Okay I thought you was talking about already recorded stuff.
#9317
Quote from: LMNO on January 10, 2007, 07:41:38 PM
Question:


Who will pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars to record, manufacture, and distribute the musician's work if the companies are not guaranteed some sort of recoupment?

Kazza! And they'll do it for next to nothing.
#9318
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 07:51:02 PM
QuoteWe harbor grudges, we are offended by odors, we are offended by the shapes of eyes, we seem to be way more judgemental than sheep.

Where's BMW to debunk that little nugget? 

For, I have a feeling we are more like sheep than we aren't in judgments in everyday life.  For, sheep probably know their fellow sheep by smell, shape of butt, and make judgments on where to graze everyday...

You only have to analyse crowd behaviour to see it in action.
#9319
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Inevitable Dossier
January 10, 2007, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on January 10, 2007, 07:27:51 PM
actualy this silly seems at least worth some of my time
i hate reading off the interweb though

I like the look of it too it was the "Judge a book by the wordcount" part that freaked me out
#9320
Literate Chaotic / Re: The Inevitable Dossier
January 10, 2007, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2007, 07:10:36 PM

210 page pdf file, so worth a read based on length alone:


Did you really just say that?!!?

GIVE US BACK CAIN YUO EVIL THIEVING BASTARDS !!!
#9321
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2007, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2007, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:15:29 PM
i dont think there is excess in deconstructing

the more you dismantle, the better you understand the components

the better you understand the components, the better you can build

I disagree.  The more you dismantle, the more people go into the "tragically hip nihilism" where they start spouting complete and utter bullshit about textual narratives and end up finding no reasons to bother to rebuild.  Or anything else you may value.  It becomes another reason to do nothing, taken to its logical conclusion.

Not sure if that's a gneral rule or just an observation of a significan fraction.

Thats true.  I'm probably jaded from my brief time as a philosophy student.  But there are a lot of them.  Thats why I tend to Abdurdism/Existentialism of the Camus or early Satre sort, as it acknowledges the lack of meaning without going on what seems to end up in a self-destructive and pointless exercise.

LOL - I know what you mean. Most nihillists give nihillism a bad name.

*edit* just had another brainfart - Many of the sheep understand some pretty radical philosophy whilst managing to remain sheep.
#9322
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2007, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:15:29 PM
i dont think there is excess in deconstructing

the more you dismantle, the better you understand the components

the better you understand the components, the better you can build

I disagree.  The more you dismantle, the more people go into the "tragically hip nihilism" where they start spouting complete and utter bullshit about textual narratives and end up finding no reasons to bother to rebuild.  Or anything else you may value.  It becomes another reason to do nothing, taken to its logical conclusion.

Not sure if that's a gneral rule or just an observation of a significan fraction.
#9323
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 06:28:34 PM
well...yes...ok...

But aren't you removing the point of argument then, by saying it's moot?

Not really I'm just saying don't expect me to argue the toss.
#9324
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 10, 2007, 06:32:15 PM
This seems like an elaborate version of:


"We are all one."



"So, now what?"

Enjoy!
#9325
Or Kill Me / Re: At Any Given Moment
January 10, 2007, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: Hagakure
Above all, the Way of the Samurai should be in being aware that you do not know what is going to happen next, and in querying every item day and night. Victory and defeat are matters of the temporary force of circumstances. The way of avoiding shame is different. It is simply in death.
Even if it seems certain that you will lose, retaliate. Neither wisdom nor technique has a place in this. A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams.


I always loved that quote.
#9326
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 06:02:50 PM
Okay here's a metaphysical model I've been playing about with. Please to be noting that I construct, collect and explore these for personal amusement, not because I believe any of them. Just in case any one decides they want to argue about their validity - you'll get no argument from me.

1) The universe does not manifest over time. It's a multidimentional hologram in which all possible conditions and events occur, simultaneously.

2) The universe is experienced or observed by an infinitely small (no dimensional) point of ovservance which explores possibilites, along threads which follow the geometric axis we refer to as time. (if you dont get what I mean here and you give a shit just ask and I'll try to expand - I'm really not sure if that bit makes enough sense)

3) It follows from no. 2 that the point of observance will 'be' every human life that ever exists and also all other life. It gets kind of paradoxical right about here because the point of observance will appear to be in multiple consciousnesses at the same time, even interacting with itself. For example - one guy talks another guy into giving him a lift home but it only seems paradoxical because of human inability to properly comprehend more dimesions than 3.

Essentially what I'm saying is that there is only one point of observance - that is you/me/us so yes we're all the wolf and the sheep and the lice that live on the sheeps back.
#9327
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 05:35:52 PM


There are less of the wolf than the sheep therefore I find the wolf more interesting. The wolf has a view of the sheep that the sheep do not have. He also remembers what it was like to be a sheep, so he has that perspective too. Being able to see twice the number of perspectives will always get my vote. My whole life is essentially approached from a perspective gaining point of view. Each new perspective makes me chuckle so I keep doing it.

This makes me wonder:

Are we all our own wolves?

I was going to say something but LMNO would just call me the S-word.

(feels kinda small when he does that)
#9328
Quote from: LHX on January 10, 2007, 05:16:21 PM
is it angst when you acknowledge that you are a part of a self-destructive system?

I always figured it was more a case of whining about the fact that there was nothing anyone could do about the self destructive system they seemed trapped in.
#9329
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: Jenne on January 10, 2007, 05:21:35 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on January 10, 2007, 05:18:38 PM
My take puts the sheep and the shepherd in pretty uch the same basket as you Jenne but with regards the wolf I basically see him as a sheep that has evolved beyond the flock. The wolf is the free spirit who chooses to prey on the sheep because he has it in his power to do so and, therefore, who the hell is in a poisition to tell him not to?

There are varying degrees of preying and the smart wolf realises that it's not a good idea to overharvest but essentially I see myself, using them entirely as lulz-fodder, as being no different from someone who grinds them down as fertiliser. I have the compassion thing which makes me see them as kinda cute and lovable but I find it hard to condemn those who don't on any other grounds than practicality - a serial killer or mass murderer might serially kill or murder my mass.

Ok, so a wolf is a sheep who cannibalized?

And somehow I KNEW you were on the side of the wolf.

Now, the wolf is no hero of the story...he's the antihero, really.

There are less of the wolf than the sheep therefore I find the wolf more interesting. The wolf has a view of the sheep that the sheep do not have. He also remembers what it was like to be a sheep, so he has that perspective too. Being able to see twice the number of perspectives will always get my vote. My whole life is essentially approached from a perspective gaining point of view. Each new perspective makes me chuckle so I keep doing it.
#9330
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Who is 'Us'?
January 10, 2007, 05:18:38 PM
My take puts the sheep and the shepherd in pretty uch the same basket as you Jenne but with regards the wolf I basically see him as a sheep that has evolved beyond the flock. The wolf is the free spirit who chooses to prey on the sheep because he has it in his power to do so and, therefore, who the hell is in a poisition to tell him not to?

There are varying degrees of preying and the smart wolf realises that it's not a good idea to overharvest but essentially I see myself, using them entirely as lulz-fodder, as being no different from someone who grinds them down as fertiliser. I have the compassion thing which makes me see them as kinda cute and lovable but I find it hard to condemn those who don't on any other grounds than practicality - a serial killer or mass murderer might serially kill or murder my mass.