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Principia Discordia => Literate Chaotic => Topic started by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:37:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.



Fuck off, Fictionpuss.  Just fuck off.  Stay the fuck away from me.  Think you can manage that?

Because, you know, I'm totally okay with it if you aren't, and I'd be more than happy to take out the repressed anger, etc, I'm feeling right now onto you, here and everyfuckingwhere.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:38:54 PM
Suggestion:

Lock this thread. Cram can create a new one with the original posts, slightly edited with appropriate attribution as per his and Doks agreement to sort this mess out.

Everything else is now distracting from what is a great idea from two of my favourite original creative posters on this board.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 06, 2010, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Just doing it, or posting about doing it, is different from presenting it as the inception of an idea.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:38:54 PM
Suggestion:

Lock this thread. Cram can create a new one with the original posts, slightly edited with appropriate attribution as per his and Doks agreement to sort this mess out.

Everything else is now distracting from what is a great idea from two of my favourite original creative posters on this board.

Actually, I'm going to split the thread once everything is ironed out.  I don't want this idea destroyed, and I don't particularly want to fight with Cram (Wouldn't mind curb-stomping Fictionpuss a bit, though, in a figurative way).
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 06, 2010, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Just doing it, or posting about doing it, is different from presenting it as the inception of an idea.

Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.  Cram said he'll make it right, and I have faith that he will.  Fictionpuss, on the other hand, is looking for a good way to cause trouble.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 06, 2010, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Just doing it, or posting about doing it, is different from presenting it as the inception of an idea.

Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.  Cram said he'll make it right, and I have faith that he will.  Fictionpuss, on the other hand, is looking for a good way to cause trouble.

Has been his MO ever since he got here, in my recollection.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on August 06, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
If you get your idea from someone else, you give a nod.  If you get inspiration from someone else, you give a nod.  

A whole this came about because of a conversation I had with whoever a while back....  

Or a recent conversation with so and so inspired me.

It is common courtesy and the right thing to do.

Anything else is just another form of plagiarism.

While the regular members HERE recognized this as Dok's original idea, I doubt people who read Cram's blog know that, nor would anyone new.

This was not just a simple taking an idea and running with it.  Too much was written in exact verbage to accept that theory.  
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on August 06, 2010, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Just doing it, or posting about doing it, is different from presenting it as the inception of an idea.

Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.  Cram said he'll make it right, and I have faith that he will.  Fictionpuss, on the other hand, is looking for a good way to cause trouble.

Has been his MO ever since he got here, in my recollection.

Yeah, he's a smarmy little shit.  I blame myself, though.  He had left, and I had forgotten what a fucking sad sack he was, and emailed him.  Now I wish I hadn't, because it's become painfully clear that - other than his moonkitten troll - he's not much more than a sack of wet shit.

I need to listen to you more often, Payne.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.

:lulz:

I'm really not.  Have I mentioned it since then?  Have I demonstrated a grudge of any kind towards anyone who participated in that thread?  No.  It's delusional to suggest otherwise.


Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Cram said he'll make it right, and I have faith that he will.  Fictionpuss, on the other hand, is looking for a good way to cause trouble.

I stated my opinion respectfully.  I'm not sure why I should be singled out as the only person who isn't allowed to express their thoughts ITT.

So I assume that you're just looking for a convenient lightning rod for your rage.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 06, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
If you get your idea from someone else, you give a nod.  If you get inspiration from someone else, you give a nod.  

A whole this came about because of a conversation I had with whoever a while back....  

Or a recent conversation with so and so inspired me.

It is common courtesy and the right thing to do.

Anything else is just another form of plagiarism.

While the regular members HERE recognized this as Dok's original idea, I doubt people who read Cram's blog know that, nor would anyone new.

This was not just a simple taking an idea and running with it.  Too much was written in exact verbage to accept that theory.  

Khara, Fictionpuss knows this.  He's deliberately trying to keep the pot boiling.

Like I said, Cram said he'll make this right, and I believe him.  When it's all over and done, I'm splitting this off, getting my head back in the game (with respect to this and the strangehunters thing), and - as an afterthought - dragging fictionpuss around by the ankles for a while.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Has been his MO ever since he got here, in my recollection.

:?
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.

:lulz:

I'm really not.  Have I mentioned it since then?  Have I demonstrated a grudge of any kind towards anyone who participated in that thread?  No.  It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

Yeah.  Me.  And believe me, I'm an expert on delusions.  This isn't one.

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Cram said he'll make it right, and I have faith that he will.  Fictionpuss, on the other hand, is looking for a good way to cause trouble.

I stated my opinion respectfully.  I'm not sure why I should be singled out as the only person who isn't allowed to express their thoughts ITT.

So I assume that you're just looking for a convenient lightning rod for your rage.


1.  You stirred shit, blatantly and intentionally, AFTER the argument was over.

2.  You can express anything you like.  I just don't like you.

3.  Yeah, I believe I mentioned that.  Thanks for volunteering.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Has been his MO ever since he got here, in my recollection.

:?


I think Payne remembers your incessant shit on IRC and PD in your previous incarnation.  I think everyone does.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:35:10 PM

Question - at what point will somebody who wants to do this idea, no longer be dog piled if they don't immediately and automatically give credit?  e.g. If I want to do a WOMP, hell, I don't even know who to credit.  What is the difference really?  Time?  Whose call is that?

When I saw the OP my thoughts were "Oh cool, Cram is running with that idea Roger was writing about a while ago", comments from other posters brought up things like the tape-worm guys again and so I figured that the OP was commonly recognised from coming from that source.  I don't see Cram denying the influence, or refusing to add the desired reference, so I don't see the need for drama.

Maybe someone can help me see what is so controversial about this?  I don't see it.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Yeah, he's a smarmy little shit.  I blame myself, though.  He had left, and I had forgotten what a fucking sad sack he was, and emailed him.  Now I wish I hadn't, because it's become painfully clear that - other than his moonkitten troll - he's not much more than a sack of wet shit.

I need to listen to you more often, Payne.

Ach, I know how it goes. I've spent most of my life not listening to people, and look what benefits I've reaped from it.

DFP is still a douche though.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:02:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Maybe someone can help me see what is so controversial about this? 

Your mom.

Dok,
Has realized there's no point in putting any thought into replies to FP.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
I think Payne remembers your incessant shit on IRC and PD in your previous incarnation.  I think everyone does.

I've been on IRC maybe 2-3 times, had a few pleasant short conversations and never had any drama there.  Previous incarnation?  Incessant shit?  Are you confusing me for an alt or something?


Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:52:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.

:lulz:

I'm really not.  Have I mentioned it since then?  Have I demonstrated a grudge of any kind towards anyone who participated in that thread?  No.  It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

Yeah.  Me.  And believe me, I'm an expert on delusions.  This isn't one.

Then you might oblige me by showing even the slightest evidence that what I say above is false.  Otherwise, it's a delusion.
Title: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
I've been on IRC maybe 2-3 times, had a few pleasant short conversations and never had any drama there.  Previous incarnation?  Incessant shit?  Are you confusing me for an alt or something?

Oh, are you claiming you AREN'T Fictionpuss?

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
Then you might oblige me by showing even the slightest evidence that what I say above is false.  Otherwise, it's a delusion.

I don't have a thing to prove to you, shitheels.  Your opinion is utterly valueless.
Title: Re: The Great Reality Safari
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Payne on August 06, 2010, 07:45:43 PM
Has been his MO ever since he got here, in my recollection.

:?


I think Payne remembers your incessant shit on IRC and PD in your previous incarnation.  I think everyone does.

Yeah, not so much IRC, but definitely PD. Calling everyone in Scotland a bigot because they were Scottish was classic.

I left off it though, cause he occasionally seemed to be alright, and we came to an agreement that he wouldn't interact with me nor me with him. (Trying to end the drama.)

Fun fact though: FP is one of I think only three to get my copypasta'd diatribe, which is yoinked directly from the prologue of Christopher Brookmyres' Classic, Boiling a Frog. The text of which still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: The Great Reality Safari
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on August 06, 2010, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 06, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
If you get your idea from someone else, you give a nod.  If you get inspiration from someone else, you give a nod.  

A whole this came about because of a conversation I had with whoever a while back....  

Or a recent conversation with so and so inspired me.

It is common courtesy and the right thing to do.

Anything else is just another form of plagiarism.

While the regular members HERE recognized this as Dok's original idea, I doubt people who read Cram's blog know that, nor would anyone new.

This was not just a simple taking an idea and running with it.  Too much was written in exact verbage to accept that theory.  

Khara, Fictionpuss knows this.  He's deliberately trying to keep the pot boiling.

Like I said, Cram said he'll make this right, and I believe him.  When it's all over and done, I'm splitting this off, getting my head back in the game (with respect to this and the strangehunters thing), and - as an afterthought - dragging fictionpuss around by the ankles for a while.

And I agree with you completely.  This was an amazing idea and you know the fun my kids and I had with this before our weird went so far in the ghetto guns were needed to survive it. 

I just think the basics that I posted are a good "food for thought" for anyone before they post something that comes from someone else's orignal idea or even a random conversation.  Just because we're a bunch of spags here doesn't mean we have to ignore a few basic common courtesies.

Am I right?

As for the dragging of FP, I still have those thumbscrews and I think there may be some decent lengths of chain in the basement.....  just in case you run out of ideas...  you know maiming and torture was one of my minors IRL  :wink:
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 08:13:46 PM
This thing:


Quotefictionpuss. That your career on PD has come to this will, I am sure, have come as a surprise to many, not least your erstwhile smug and, as it turns out, disastrously complacent self. However, to those with a more rounded experience of your methods and morality, both the beneficiaries and the victims of your self-righteous and self-appointed crusading, it will remain a source of bed-wetting astonishment that it has taken so long for the hive mind to bring themselves to bear upon your arrogant and devious person.

You are, in the well-chosen words of our resident hate-shitters in describing your ilk, an unreconstructed wanker. To that one might add that you have infinitely more to say for yourself than your knowledge or experience could possibly justify, and that I have seldom found myself passing judgement on someone so evidently lacking the benefits of a damn good kicking.

You have thrust upon us your ill-informed, half-baked, out-dated and, frankly, paranoid theories for a tiresome number of posts now, and the wonder of it is that anyone continued to listen long enough for you to persist with the behaviour that has ultimately led to your downfall. I would remind you, fictionpuss, that paranoia is often merely the flipside of egotism: both deludedly imagine the world to revolve around oneself.

While your n00bish exploits have occasionally enjoyed vindication in the past, it should be evident to anyone remotely cognisant with the facts that your roles in certain notorious events have been grossly exaggerated by both posterity - which is often inexplicably kind to the self-aggrandising - and by your own indulgently biased accounts. No doubt you like to depict yourself as a thorn in the flesh of the establishment, but closer to the truth would be to say that you are merely an irritant, and that the subsequent rashes are far more the result of your unwanted presence than of any defect on the part of those you choose to infect.

In the case of someone so self-absorbed, it is perhaps plausible that certain developments may have escaped your notice; to wit, the inexorable evolution of this forums posts and the irrefutable testimony of the hive mind, which states, if you would take note, you are not welcome any more. Once upon a time, you found and to your credit exposed corruption and conspiracy among those of whom we expected better. Your problem, it strikes me, was that you did not know what to be about next. You have continued to seek out such nefariousness, but where you have not found it you have instead imagined it - and more insidiously, implied it. If I were you, I might wish to consider whether a man who finds corruption in every place he looks might perhaps be seeing the reflection of what lies within himself.

In the instance that has brought you before me, you arrogantly pitted yourself against an organisation far more august and enduring than the windmills at which you had tilted before; and though you were but a mosquito attacking an elephant, it cannot be ignored that this mosquito wished the elephant harm, and its bite may have done so had it not been swatted.

In short, fictionpuss, there is no place for you here in the future. This is a new Discordia, a new forum, with new standards and a new morality. I must not allow it or its institutions - nascent and ancient alike - to be disparaged and prejudiced by the diseased mind of a wee shite like you. For this reason, I order that you be taken from this board, henceforth to a place of confinement, there to dwell in perpetual fear of being chibbed and humped by rabid schemies.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:15:08 PM
 :lulz:

Oh, yeah.  I didn't realize that was derived.

Dok,
Off to hit Cicero's stuff.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Payne on August 06, 2010, 08:19:11 PM
Yeah, I pretty much adapt a lot of stuff with changed names and such. My prophecies are taken directly from the bible, and changed to make them about me and PD. I've changed lyrics of songs for the same. And then there's this gem.

I did it for the lulz, m'lud.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
I've been on IRC maybe 2-3 times, had a few pleasant short conversations and never had any drama there.  Previous incarnation?  Incessant shit?  Are you confusing me for an alt or something?

Oh, are you claiming you AREN'T Fictionpuss?

Of course I am not claiming that.  It's never been a secret.  You just confused me with the references to IRC and incessant shit, since after a shitneck start of the first degree, things went a lot more smoothly.


Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:03:02 PM
Then you might oblige me by showing even the slightest evidence that what I say above is false.  Otherwise, it's a delusion.

I don't have a thing to prove to you, shitheels.  Your opinion is utterly valueless.

Then we're done here.

Nice way to abuse your mod abilities to frame a disagreement between us into a fail thread.

Real classy.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:22:50 PM

Then we're done here.

No, we're not.   :lulz:


Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Nice way to abuse your mod abilities to frame a disagreement between us into a fail thread.

Real classy.

Oh, yeah, you must have missed the several mentions that I was in fact going to split the thread.  I left your part out of the trash bin so you wouldn't have a "malaul" pulled on you, and not have the ability to respond to what Payne and I have said.  Since, however, you have taken that as an excuse to attack my integrity as a mod, you have now become my personal project.

Classy?  I'll show you classy, you dishonest son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 09:08:54 PM
Since the new OP is now out of context - I did not stir shit by bringing up a dead argument - there were two posts in the previous 10 minutes offering differing opinions on the subjects I discussed.  You chose to single me out for your own reasons.  I'm an easy, safe, target.

The thread title you chose is not neutral.  It is completely disrespectful to me, and you know that, which is why you chose it rather than appending "- derail".  I expect anyone entering such a thread mocking me, to take anything I say even less seriously than they otherwise would.

That is an abuse of your mod powers.  Especially when that framing is personally beneficial to yourself.

Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:08:54 PM
Since the new OP is now out of context - I did not stir shit by bringing up a dead argument - there were two posts in the previous 10 minutes offering differing opinions on the subjects I discussed.  You chose to single me out for your own reasons.  I'm an easy, safe, target.

The thread title you chose is not neutral.  It is completely disrespectful to me, and you know that, which is why you chose it rather than appending "- derail".  I expect anyone entering such a thread mocking me, to take anything I say even less seriously than they otherwise would.

That is an abuse of your mod powers.  Especially when that framing is personally beneficial to yourself.



Yeah, because it has the word "unlimited" and "fail" in it, right?  Instead of a play on words on a character from a James Bond movie?  Fuck you, you little piece of vermin.

Also, I "singled you out", because you came in the original thread sniping at me, you fucked up little liar.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 09:11:06 PM
Also, I "singled you out", because you came in the original thread sniping at me, you fucked up little liar.

Where is the snipe?  I still don't see it.  This is the second time I'm asking since you avoided the question the first time.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 09:11:06 PM
Also, I "singled you out", because you came in the original thread sniping at me, you fucked up little liar.

Where is the snipe?  I still don't see it.  This is the second time I'm asking since you avoided the question the first time.

Cut the bullshit, shit for brains.  If you piss down my neck, don't try to tell me it's raining.  You came in the thread taking a swing at me.  You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.  Then you tried to cover your ass by claiming that I was using admin powers inappropriately.  So point out the "unlimited" and "fail" part, already, and stop trying to fucking dodge.

This is just another demonstration of your chronic dishonesty and lack of character.  If you're going to troll, at least man up about it, you little sissy.

I fucking hate you now, you little slimeball.  You and I are going to have no end of fun on PD from now on.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on August 06, 2010, 09:30:13 PM

I'm not going to fight you Roger, I'll just simply leave PD.com if it comes down to it  We have another child coming in October, and I certainly don't have the time or energy to waste on a pointless internet battle, you know?

This isn't a fail thread because it doesn't have "unlimited" or "fail" in the title - fine - I was unaware of that narrow definition, and I take back the part about this being a fail thread.

Third and final time - where is the personal attack on you Roger?  If you refuse to debate the issues then I'm out of here.  You win - simple as that.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Kai on August 06, 2010, 09:33:56 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 06, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
If you get your idea from someone else, you give a nod.  If you get inspiration from someone else, you give a nod.  

A whole this came about because of a conversation I had with whoever a while back....  

Or a recent conversation with so and so inspired me.

It is common courtesy and the right thing to do.

Anything else is just another form of plagiarism.

While the regular members HERE recognized this as Dok's original idea, I doubt people who read Cram's blog know that, nor would anyone new.

This was not just a simple taking an idea and running with it.  Too much was written in exact verbage to accept that theory.  

I wonder if anyone would mind if I run a bit with this....(no pun intended).

In studying academic integrity, I've found there are two different types of plagiarism.

1) Taking someone else's ideas and forwarding them as my own.

2) Taking someone else's work (=content) and forwarding it as my own.

The first is as Khara mentioned in the first line. In an academic setting, if I take someone else's idea in my work, I cite it. In non academic settings there are less formal ways to attribute, but I still attribute. There's absolutely nothing wrong with such sorts of syntheses of ideas as long as there is attribution. And it's a very black and white field: either someone has attributed, or they haven't.

The second is much trickier, not only to determine whether I myself am plagiarizing, but whether someone else is. Directly taking from someone else's work requires not only attribution but also clear quotation. But there are gradients. How much paraphrasing is needed before the wording is now your work and no longer theirs? I find more people struggle with this question than any other in the topic of plagiarism. Failure at paraphrase is also, more often than not, the reason students come before the integrity panel at my university.

Where do I draw the line? If I am just directly paraphrasing something someone else wrote, without any synthesis of ideas, I might as well just quote it. Because without synthesis, it really isn't mine no matter how much I change the syntax and vocabulary. Without synthesis, I'm just remixing with a different beat track, copying notes. There's nothing original. Works, written musical and other, will always include "both ancient and new" (ironically quoting Reggie Watts - Fuck Shit Stack). The synthesis is what makes it original.

In conclusion,

1) Always cite or attribute ideas that were not spawned from one's own mind, unless the idea is so well known that the average schmoe off the street would know it (eg Columbus sailed to the west indies in 1492). Less formally, if you know the idea didn't come from you and you know where it came from, cite or attribute.

2) Paraphrase to the point of idea synthesis, or quote in full. The latter isn't original, but at least it's not dishonest.

Moving along...
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:30:13 PM

I'm not going to fight you Roger,

Then why did you come in sniping?

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
I'll just simply leave PD.com if it comes down to it  We have another child coming in October, and I certainly don't have the time or energy to waste on a pointless internet battle, you know?

Ta ta!  Don't forget to write!

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
This isn't a fail thread because it doesn't have "unlimited" or "fail" in the title - fine - I was unaware of that narrow definition, and I take back the part about this being a fail thread.

Bullshit.  You've been around long enough to know the way that's ALWAYS done.

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
Third and final time - where is the personal attack on you Roger?  If you refuse to debate the issues then I'm out of here.  You win - simple as that.

There remains the attack on my ethics as a mod.  While that is hanging out there, there can be no debate whatsoever.  When you return, and you will - everyone except Fomentor has (and he will eventually) - I will still be waiting for your answer.  Ask Hugh how long I can hold a grudge.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: AFK on August 06, 2010, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 06, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 06, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Fictionpuss knows this.  He's just stirring shit because he's still butthurt about the E-democracy thing.

:lulz:

I'm really not.  Have I mentioned it since then?  Have I demonstrated a grudge of any kind towards anyone who participated in that thread?  No.  It's delusional to suggest otherwise.

That's a pile of horseshit.  You've made a couple of snide comments my way since that thread.  One in the love thread that Dimo started for example.  Also in the thread in the meta section talking about a place to hash out ideas.  Anytime an idea of yours gets challenged in any way you get butthurt and start whining.  That's pretty much how you entered the forum with the belly patting whatever the fuck that was thread.  I don't understand why if you can't stand the heat you stay in the fucking kitchen. 
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Adios on August 06, 2010, 10:58:36 PM
RWHN is pissed? Damn.

Now that takes talent!
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: AFK on August 06, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
Yeah, even the court jester loses his shit every now and again.   :lol:

Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Adios on August 06, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 06, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
Yeah, even the court jester loses his shit every now and again.   :lol:



:lulz:

I didn't mean it that way.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 22, 2011, 04:34:00 AM

Ah, this is as good a place as any.  I re-read this thread today, and something didn't sit right.  Now I think I know what that is - I took a thread-tidyup combined with a title-rename and exaggerated it as an "abuse of mod powers".  Dick move.  Sorry about that, Dok.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 22, 2011, 04:50:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on January 22, 2011, 04:34:00 AM

Ah, this is as good a place as any.  I re-read this thread today, and something didn't sit right.  Now I think I know what that is - I took a thread-tidyup combined with a title-rename and exaggerated it as an "abuse of mod powers".  Dick move.  Sorry about that, Dok.

Cool, you're back. Now I can ask you the question.

Who is your avatar?

A bit off topic but it was bugging me.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Captain Utopia on January 22, 2011, 07:22:47 PM
It's this guy:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiL_lzQvCAM

From this awesome (not really) film with nipple toting robots and half naked chicks and the hoff in tight leather running around the haunted stars.  You are about to be hurled.  Remember to have some eye bleach ready before clicking:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfuNSpP0RA

Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 25, 2011, 12:56:47 AM
I...

I have to watch this movie.... I don't want to, but I have to.
Title: Re: Fictionpussy Galore
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:59:27 AM
Quote from: Captain Utopia on January 22, 2011, 04:34:00 AM

Ah, this is as good a place as any.  I re-read this thread today, and something didn't sit right.  Now I think I know what that is - I took a thread-tidyup combined with a title-rename and exaggerated it as an "abuse of mod powers".  Dick move.  Sorry about that, Dok.

No sweat.