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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => Topic started by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM

Title: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
Might be a stupid question, but if a magnetised needle pointed South instead of North, would our map of the World look like this?
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx128/ChuckFukmuk/Infographics/800px-World_map_blank_shorelinessvg.png)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 01:40:38 AM
A magnetised needle doesn't just point north, it points both north and south at the same time. Because you cannot have a north magnetic pole (in general terms) without also having a south. So it wouldn't really make a difference.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2012, 03:45:04 AM
Does everyone in that other universe have a goatee?

Because I'd be kind of pissed if my wife had a goatee.  Maybe that's why they're all evil.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Don Coyote on January 20, 2012, 04:25:22 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2012, 03:45:04 AM
Does everyone in that other universe have a goatee?

Because I'd be kind of pissed if my wife had a goatee.  Maybe that's why they're all evil.

No, all the men have goatees and all the women are dressed in 1960s clothes with weird hair, and powered gogo boots. Come to think of it, maybe they aren't the evil ones.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:41:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 20, 2012, 03:45:04 AM
Does everyone in that other universe have a goatee?

Because I'd be kind of pissed if my wife had a goatee.  Maybe that's why they're all evil.
Of course they don't. The Women have that Amish "Beard but no 'tache" thing going on. But that's not why they're evil.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:48:07 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 01:40:38 AM
A magnetised needle doesn't just point north, it points both north and south at the same time. Because you cannot have a north magnetic pole (in general terms) without also having a south. So it wouldn't really make a difference.
If he denounced his true polarity, turned his back on it, and successfully said unto the South, "Be thou mine North"
Would his right / left mirror reflection thing sort itself out? Because that bothers me a bit, re; East and West.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 20, 2012, 12:01:03 PM
Am i clean shaven in the other place? Is ech?

Oh dear. I just had a thought about what mirror universe ech would be like....
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 12:01:03 PM
Am i clean shaven in the other place? Is ech?

Oh dear. I just had a thought about what mirror universe ech would be like....
You can't blame him for that, it wasn't his fault. Not on reflection.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 20, 2012, 12:12:16 PM
You know whats funny about that? I just got through with saying to villager "i know you like puns and thats why i tolerate them but ultimately theyre only good at getting everyone mad at you for making one"

excellent timing sir :lulz:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on January 20, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Aren't maps orientated the way they are because the first people who were drawing them were the Europeans and everyone likes being on top?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 12:12:16 PM
You know whats funny about that? I just got through with saying to villager "i know you like puns and thats why i tolerate them but ultimately theyre only good at getting everyone mad at you for making one"



excellent timing sir :lulz:
Didn't have you pegged as quite so much of a disciplinarian Twid, but fair play.  :lulz:

That sounds like a tight ship you're running there, close to the wind too. Just remember to overhaul afore you strike 3 fathoms on the ebb, or you'll scuttle her on the reef. Twitch her in on the jibs, then anchor in the lee of that sinking ferry. Then you can ride out on the first swell of the flood, and miss the rip at half tide.
As to which way's West, jury's still out on that one, but North's down that way. 180 degrees from whichever way the penguins are coming from. No, that's a Guillemot. Penguins are bigger, and more dangerous.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Pfft tight ship nothing. Puns just irritate me and i try not to let them irritate me when she indulges in them.

Well frequent puns. And she has a pun habit equivalent to rwhn's
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Pfft tight ship nothing. Puns just irritate me and i try not to let them irritate me when she indulges in them.

Well frequent puns. And she has a pun habit equivalent to rwhn's
I knew a bloke with a 40 a day pun habit once. He was in a right mess. But he was caught, bang to rights, trying to pass a similie based rhyming limerick off as proper metaphor. By an armed infinitive splitter's Snatch Squad! In front of his old Ma too.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 20, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
 :lulz:

I know that many say a pun is the lowest form of humor, but they crack me up anyway.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: Khara on January 20, 2012, 04:56:42 PM
:lulz:

I know that many say a pun is the lowest form of humor, but they crack me up anyway.
The only people who say "The Pun is the lowest form of wit", don't actually get puns.
The people who say "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" are generally those with no built in immunity to sarcasm.

But the lowest form of wit, must be the kind that goes around trying to calibrate some kind of a "Wit scale" for forms of humour that they don't get. Or can't do. Or dare not laugh at.
If wit were shit, these people would be so anally retentive, and constipated, physically and intellectually that they'd have to have a very good friend 'coax' their shit out of them with a bent wire coathanger.

And even then, I don't suspect they'd even find that funny.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.

But that just makes the world top-heavy and unstable.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on January 21, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.

But that just makes the world top-heavy and unstable.
Nah, it's like a table. Africa and South America hold it up.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 21, 2012, 12:22:33 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.

But that just makes the world top-heavy and unstable.

No more than the original model made it bottom heavy and unstable. It might make everyone left handed though, or possibly West handed, depending how the mirror/reversal thing worked out.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Don Coyote on January 21, 2012, 12:23:31 AM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 21, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.

But that just makes the world top-heavy and unstable.
Nah, it's like a table. Africa and South America hold it up.

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 21, 2012, 02:53:25 AM
Quote from: Rumckle on January 20, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on January 20, 2012, 02:58:32 PM
Also there's an awful lot more habitable landmass north of the equator, so odds are pretty good any dominant culture would have started out from that half of the planet.

But that just makes the world top-heavy and unstable.

:lol:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Elder Iptuous on January 21, 2012, 03:48:59 AM
Quote from: Xaz on January 20, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Aren't maps orientated the way they are because the first people who were drawing them were the Europeans and everyone likes being on top?

No.
the world is simply run by engineers, and we use the right hand rule...
get my vector?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg/507px-Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg.png)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 21, 2012, 03:51:04 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 21, 2012, 03:48:59 AM
Quote from: Xaz on January 20, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Aren't maps orientated the way they are because the first people who were drawing them were the Europeans and everyone likes being on top?

No.
the world is simply run by engineers, and we use the right hand rule...
get my vector?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg/507px-Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg.png)
Some kind of Gangsign?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Bruno on January 21, 2012, 08:41:13 AM
People who use j instead of i.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: PeregrineBF on January 24, 2012, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 21, 2012, 03:51:04 AM
Quote from: Iptuous on January 21, 2012, 03:48:59 AM
Quote from: Xaz on January 20, 2012, 12:16:46 PM
Aren't maps orientated the way they are because the first people who were drawing them were the Europeans and everyone likes being on top?

No.
the world is simply run by engineers, and we use the right hand rule...
get my vector?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg/507px-Right_hand_rule_cross_product.svg.png)
Some kind of Gangsign?

Yeah, the CrossProduct gang. Very dangerous, they've been at war with the DotProducts for years.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 24, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Pfft tight ship nothing. Puns just irritate me and i try not to let them irritate me when she indulges in them.

Well frequent puns. And she has a pun habit equivalent to rwhn's
I knew a bloke with a 40 a day pun habit once. He was in a right mess. But he was caught, bang to rights, trying to pass a similie based rhyming limerick off as proper metaphor. By an armed infinitive splitter's Snatch Squad! In front of his old Ma too.
Wow, what happened next BadBeast?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 24, 2012, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 24, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
Pfft tight ship nothing. Puns just irritate me and i try not to let them irritate me when she indulges in them.

Well frequent puns. And she has a pun habit equivalent to rwhn's
I knew a bloke with a 40 a day pun habit once. He was in a right mess. But he was caught, bang to rights, trying to pass a similie based rhyming limerick off as proper metaphor. By an armed infinitive splitter's Snatch Squad! In front of his old Ma too.
Wow, what happened next BadBeast?
They took him away and Punished him.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 25, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
Hehe sorry dude i just thought you werw being incomprehensibly english again.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 25, 2012, 01:14:16 AM
It's me they should have come and punished for that story.  :roll:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 25, 2012, 03:39:10 AM
Punctually punitive, punted pundits punch puny punani.
:argh!:
Or, what if the field's polarity alternated intermittently?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 25, 2012, 04:31:22 AM
Then we'd have Bi Polar Bears?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 25, 2012, 07:40:34 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 25, 2012, 04:31:22 AM
Then we'd have Bi Polar Bears?

:argh!:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PM
You *do* realize the poles change every few hundred-thousand years or so, right? I mean, they've proven that it's happening right now.

Please to be googling:
Aurora Borealis
Geomagnetic field
The poles
Magnetosphere
Solar wind
Geomagnetic polarity flip

I'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 28, 2012, 12:15:38 AM
Yea, that was part of why I asked, I mean, I think I actually remember examining layers of sedimental ore to determine the periods.  Still, i too remain skeptical that if the polarity really changed, that the only thing I get in those layers are mixed-up directions...  Or...  Seeing how all those bees are dying, maybe it's time to start buying futures on honey?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 28, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PMI'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

Ummmmm what?

parallel universes are a hypothesis

dark matter, if it exists, is really really far away

unified theory--we're not there by a long shot, and I don't see what it has to do with magnetic poles?

superconductivity1 ... our current best result is -138C (-216F) anything room temperature is crackpot territory, but even if it's just hyperbole, what's it to do with magnetic poles?

1which was discovered by a Dutch physicist in my home town in 1911
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
In this Universe, parallel Universes are hypothesis. But only by necessity. If they were any more than hypothetical here, they wouldn't be parallel, they would be contiguous. But this mirror Universe's whole reality depends entirely upon the fact that there parallel Universes.

The detail that allows us to hypothesize ITT about a mirror Universe at all, proves the existence of Parallel Universes. If there were no Parallel Universes, we would not be able to conceive of their possibility.

Dark matter exists all around us, but in one of these other Universes. One that actually intersects ours in a very small way. That small way exhibits itself in the whole theory of Dark Matter. Like a Venn diagram with our Universe as one circle, and the Dark Matter Universe as another much bigger circle. The tiny intersection where they meet is enough to prove that something we call "Dark Matter" exists.

As to it's nature, I'll leave that to more orderly minds. The fact it exists at all, even in theory, renders the actual nature of Dark Matter irrelevant. But saying that, if I find some, I promise I'll put it in a jar, and send it to the appropriate scholars so they can all have a go on it.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 28, 2012, 02:19:15 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 28, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PMI'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

Ummmmm

Other than the butterfly effect, there's always phase transitions if we want to get back to "deep-end" on the polar bear front...  :argh!: (no really, my head hurts)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Telarus on January 28, 2012, 05:28:04 AM
Quantum Levitation Race Track! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqmdv5iyIOY)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 06:05:31 AM
Had me going for a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_B5u2lZGW8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: PeregrineBF on January 28, 2012, 06:31:35 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 28, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
dark matter, if it exists, is really really far away

Dark matter, if it exists, would also be around earth, though probably more towards the core. Anywhere gravity could cause it to clump up, and since it would have to be weakly interacting it would pass through the earth to the center.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 28, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
Would a mirror universe be identical to ours but made of antimatter? Might explain baryon asymmetry.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 05:24:07 PM
Wouldn't it depend upon the kind of mirror used?

In fact, if you used 2 mirrors, there'd be an infinite regression of mirror universes, flipping the whole baryon symmetry backwards, then forwards, then back again. With a little creative sequencing, we could have binary numerical calibration, using Universes for integers. But then you'd have to be a Guild Steersman in order to do even the simplest arithmetic. And that's just too fictional.

So instead of Melange, I'd propose using Mescaline or LSD, combined with Ketamine (To eliminate any temporal interference)  And some kind of 360 degree camera, in between the mirrors to monitor progress. To physically  get between two mirrors whilst augmented in such a way is extremely risky unless the mapping sequence has already been quantified. And (To my knowledge) it hasn't.   
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 28, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 05:24:07 PM
Wouldn't it depend upon the kind of mirror used?

In fact, if you used 2 mirrors, there'd be an infinite regression of mirror universes, flipping the whole baryon symmetry backwards, then forwards, then back again. With a little creative sequencing, we could have binary numerical calibration, using Universes for integers. But then you'd have to be a Guild Steersman in order to do even the simplest arithmetic. And that's just too fictional.

So instead of Melange, I'd propose using Mescaline or LSD, combined with Ketamine (To eliminate any temporal interference)  And some kind of 360 degree camera, in between the mirrors to monitor progress. To physically  get between two mirrors whilst augmented in such a way is extremely risky unless the mapping sequence has already been quantified. And (To my knowledge) it hasn't.   

Oh fuck...
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 28, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 05:24:07 PM


So instead of Melange, I'd propose using Mescaline or LSD, combined with Ketamine (To eliminate any temporal interference) 

Very interesting...  I don't really know what the mirrors are for though...  Unless they were gates that folded into the very neuronal bistables so affected.  With tha GABBA agonist effectively disabling our "time-stamp" problem, I love the idea of employing alternative ways of structuring/coding experience...  I think I just got a little excited...
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 06:10:20 PM
The mirrors (if positioned properly) act as an interface between our default analogue carbon based system, and faster, superluminal photon based data processing. If done properly, it would be like having a large hadron collider. In your head. With the correct levels of neuro-transmitters and psychotropic augs to effectively slow down the data stream to a more user friendly sub-luminal format, the Higgs-Bosun particle would have nowhere to hide. Then, when I've got it trapped in my Jamjar, it can be renamed (At my Nobel Prize ceremony) The "BadBeast particle".
   1
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 28, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Just intercepted [omitted]:
Interpreting the [] system in this way, three conditions need to be
satisfied in order to obtain the experience of a pure signal, asuming
that things work accordingly.  First, the "rest" condition is just to
register a zero value (normal) before and after [] interacts with a
particular [].  The second condition is registering a relative value
of minus one (-1).  The third condition is registering a value of
(+1).  The second and third conditions are interchangable depending on
the phase or initial angle of displacement.  Resonating with the []
produces the patern 0, -1, 0, +1, 0...  The rate of this [] produces
the experience of a particular pure [].  If the sequence is out of
order, the [] is probably not pure and, corespondingly, the
translation results in a different[] experience.  Whether the sequence
is alternating at []or [], there needs to be a mechanism performing
error correction by checking for inconsistencies in the sequence.
This error correction is enabled by checking the current state against
the last.  The value of the current state is given, however, how is
the previous state being accesed?   This question is not trivial.
:fap:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Just intercepted [omitted]:
Interpreting the [] system in this way, three conditions need to be
satisfied in order to obtain the experience of a pure signal, asuming
that things work accordingly.  First, the "rest" condition is just to
register a zero value (normal) before and after [] interacts with a
particular [].  The second condition is registering a relative value
of minus one (-1).  The third condition is registering a value of
(+1).  The second and third conditions are interchangable depending on
the phase or initial angle of displacement.  Resonating with the []
produces the patern 0, -1, 0, +1, 0...  The rate of this [] produces
the experience of a particular pure [].  If the sequence is out of
order, the [] is probably not pure and, corespondingly, the
translation results in a different[] experience.  Whether the sequence
is alternating at []or [], there needs to be a mechanism performing
error correction by checking for inconsistencies in the sequence.
This error correction is enabled by checking the current state against
the last.  The value of the current state is given, however, how is
the previous state being accesed?   This question is not trivial.
:fap:
Truly? I have no fucking idea at all. My lack of mathematical skill is lamentable. I left school at 15, and I had shit maths Teachers. My input in this thread is pure speculation, with no basis in any scientific method whatsoever.

Anyway, I figure there's enough scientific types around here to get to grips with the actual mechanics involved. That's why I threw this out here in the first place.
My own particular talents (As some of you know only too well) are more along the lines of being able to jump entire chunks of logical process, in a single bound. My sparks of inspiration might just provide enough light for you to follow along behind, filling in the huge gaps in my theory.

Or they may be the light that destroys my credibility as a theoretical Quantum Engineer forever.

But that's a risk I'm prepared to take. It won't stop me from continuing to use questionable sources, and wild speculation to illustrate what might well be the greatest scientific discovery mankind has ever tried to formulate.

Your :fap: response at the end of your last post could be taken as cruel, and perhaps a little bit hurtful. And a lesser man than myself might take offence, and use it as an excuse to mask his lack of the pre requisite scientific skills necessary, in undignified and pointless flaming.

But I'm not like that. I'm more than content to forgive you, in a supercilious sounding, but really quite tongue in cheek way. Almost as if I was really offended. (Which I assure you I'm not)

So if we can put all that silly ego based posturing behind us, you can get on with working out the little details that are beyond my expertise, and I shall forge ahead with theoretical applications of this wonderful and groundbreaking technology.   8) 
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 29, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PM
You *do* realize the poles change every few hundred-thousand years or so, right? I mean, they've proven that it's happening right now.

Please to be googling:
Aurora Borealis
Geomagnetic field
The poles
Magnetosphere
Solar wind
Geomagnetic polarity flip

I'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

I really want  the poles to finish flipping in my lifetime, because I want to see what happens.

Didn't the sun's poles flip last year sometime? But they flip every 11 years or something, right?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 29, 2012, 02:26:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 29, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PM
You *do* realize the poles change every few hundred-thousand years or so, right? I mean, they've proven that it's happening right now.

Please to be googling:
Aurora Borealis
Geomagnetic field
The poles
Magnetosphere
Solar wind
Geomagnetic polarity flip

I'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

I really want  the poles to finish flipping in my lifetime, because I want to see what happens.

Didn't the sun's poles flip last year sometime? But they flip every 11 years or something, right?
I think so, yeah, and it provides the impetus for El Nino. (I think El Nino comes along a year after the reversal)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Telarus on January 29, 2012, 06:40:03 AM
The reversal timing is all sort of whack, and not really that stable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/NASA_54559main_comparison1_strip.gif)
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Juana on January 30, 2012, 04:57:24 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 29, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PM
You *do* realize the poles change every few hundred-thousand years or so, right? I mean, they've proven that it's happening right now.

Please to be googling:
Aurora Borealis
Geomagnetic field
The poles
Magnetosphere
Solar wind
Geomagnetic polarity flip

I'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

I really want  the poles to finish flipping in my lifetime, because I want to see what happens.

Didn't the sun's poles flip last year sometime? But they flip every 11 years or something, right?
According to my geologist grandfather, not much. Aurora Borealis and such will be seen in unusual places, but according to him, that's really it. I'm a little more concerned on what's going to happen to the birds and animals that use the poles as a guide during migration season.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 30, 2012, 05:12:15 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Just intercepted [omitted]:
Interpreting the [] system in this way.
Truly? I have no fucking idea at all. My lack of mathematical skill is lamentable. I left school at 15, and I had shit maths Teachers. My input in this thread is pure speculation, with no basis in any scientific method whatsoever.

Anyway, I figure there's enough scientific types around here to get to grips with the actual mechanics involved. That's why I threw this out here in the first place.
My own particular talents (As some of you know only too well) are more along the lines of being able to jump entire chunks of logical process, in a single bound. My sparks of inspiration might just provide enough light for you to follow along behind, filling in the huge gaps in my theory.

Or they may be the light that destroys my credibility as a theoretical Quantum Engineer forever.

But that's a risk I'm prepared to take. It won't stop me from continuing to use questionable sources, and wild speculation to illustrate what might well be the greatest scientific discovery mankind has ever tried to formulate.

Your :fap: response at the end of your last post could be taken as cruel, and perhaps a little bit hurtful. And a lesser man than myself might take offence, and use it as an excuse to mask his lack of the pre requisite scientific skills necessary, in undignified and pointless flaming.

I momentarily found myself as though on the other side of a mirror and thought  :fap: was expressive of that state...  The irony is now in the infinite cascade of recursive self-questioning I seem to have slipped into a world mistaken.  The responsibility for that bad act is mine.  If necessary, measures can be taken to have unwanted elements stricken from the record?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: navkat on January 30, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 28, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: navkat on January 27, 2012, 09:12:06 PMI'm less concerned with the the "butterfly effect" of cumulative minute changes in the geomagnetic field and more intrigued by things like the same effect on parallel universes, unseen dark matter, unified theories and (while we're at the magnet thing) room-temperature superconductors

Ummmmm what?

parallel universes are a hypothesis

dark matter, if it exists, is really really far away

unified theory--we're not there by a long shot, and I don't see what it has to do with magnetic poles?

superconductivity1 ... our current best result is -138C (-216F) anything room temperature is crackpot territory, but even if it's just hyperbole, what's it to do with magnetic poles?

1which was discovered by a Dutch physicist in my home town in 1911

I'm allowed to be intrigued by those hypotheses, no?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 30, 2012, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 30, 2012, 05:12:15 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 06:28:52 PM
Just intercepted [omitted]:
Interpreting the [] system in this way.
Truly? I have no fucking idea at all. My lack of mathematical skill is lamentable. I left school at 15, and I had shit maths Teachers. My input in this thread is pure speculation, with no basis in any scientific method whatsoever.

Anyway, I figure there's enough scientific types around here to get to grips with the actual mechanics involved. That's why I threw this out here in the first place.
My own particular talents (As some of you know only too well) are more along the lines of being able to jump entire chunks of logical process, in a single bound. My sparks of inspiration might just provide enough light for you to follow along behind, filling in the huge gaps in my theory.

Or they may be the light that destroys my credibility as a theoretical Quantum Engineer forever.

But that's a risk I'm prepared to take. It won't stop me from continuing to use questionable sources, and wild speculation to illustrate what might well be the greatest scientific discovery mankind has ever tried to formulate.

Your :fap: response at the end of your last post could be taken as cruel, and perhaps a little bit hurtful. And a lesser man than myself might take offence, and use it as an excuse to mask his lack of the pre requisite scientific skills necessary, in undignified and pointless flaming.

I momentarily found myself as though on the other side of a mirror and thought  :fap: was expressive of that state...  The irony is now in the infinite cascade of recursive self-questioning I seem to have slipped into a world mistaken.  The responsibility for that bad act is mine.  If necessary, measures can be taken to have unwanted elements stricken from the record?
Nah,it was just me being facetious Mate.
But that "Through the looking glass" thing can be very disorienting. I went to a nightclub once, (Over 20 years ago )after partaking of some rather fine blotter acid, and there were loads of mirrors there. At one point, I was sure I had actually walked through one of the mirrors and was stuck on the other side, because everything was back to front.
The mirror "me" on the other side had a knowing expression on it's face, that seemed to say "Let's see how you like being the reflection". I'm still not certain if I ever got back. or if it was just the acid. But this thread owes a lot to the experience. 
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 30, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
Thats pretty freaky dude.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 30, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
I've learned to live with it. It's not so bad.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 30, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
Enter dr. K. stage right...
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 07:06:33 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 28, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
Your :fap: response at the end of your last post could be taken as cruel, and perhaps a little bit hurtful. And a lesser man than myself might take offence, and use it as an excuse to mask his lack of the pre requisite scientific skills necessary, in undignified and pointless flaming.


And I am that lesser man.

LuciferX, you are a complete cunt.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 30, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 30, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
I'm allowed to be intrigued by those hypotheses, no?

Yeah ... I just realized I actually don't have a fucking clue what this thread is about.

What are we doing here, then? Free association on fringe physics topics? Can you explain me what's going on? I don't even understand what the thread was supposed to be about ... :?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 30, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 30, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
I'm allowed to be intrigued by those hypotheses, no?

Yeah ... I just realized I actually don't have a fucking clue what this thread is about.

What are we doing here, then? Free association on fringe physics topics? Can you explain me what's going on? I don't even understand what the thread was supposed to be about ... :?

Let me answer your question with a question:  Do you have a goatee?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 30, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
Maybe where bad beast is actually from he does. Hell were talking about badbeast here. Maybe this is goodbeasts universe.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 08:57:53 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 30, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
Maybe where bad beast is actually from he does. Hell were talking about badbeast here. Maybe this is goodbeasts universe.

The mirror image of Badbeast is STILL an unruly British fucker who is a menace to everyone around him.  BOTH of them have goatees.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 30, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
I have a goatee. I also shave my head for shows. Am i the evil twid?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 30, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
I have a goatee. I also shave my head for shows. Am i the evil twid?

Yes.

I would have thought that was perfectly obvious by now.  The GOOD Twid is from Notsob, and plays Glenn Miller tunes for geezers in the old folk's home.

Likewise, the good Villager is also from Notsob, and smiles a NICE smile, not one that says "Ho ho hee heeeee oops what happened to all of your skin?"
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 30, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
:spittake:

this makes me want to do science to notsob.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 30, 2012, 09:38:17 PM
Science proposal:  is the subject immune to error by misidentification?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 30, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 30, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 30, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
I'm allowed to be intrigued by those hypotheses, no?

Yeah ... I just realized I actually don't have a fucking clue what this thread is about.

What are we doing here, then? Free association on fringe physics topics? Can you explain me what's going on? I don't even understand what the thread was supposed to be about ... :?
Then it's a good job I'm here then isn't it? Subject matter is no longer important! That boat sailed long ago. You have to look behind the words, the words are just a means towards an end. What's that you say? What's the end?

The end is where we're all going to be soon enough, so wise up people! It doesn't matter. . . . . . . . Have you all forgotten why were even here? Got lost in the hallways of "Meaning"? Of "Why"? We're here to have some fucking fun! Why is that such a difficult thing to keep sight of?  (Yes, that's a rhetorical question)
This thread WAS about some bloody thing, but then it became some other bloody thing, then it all got flipped about by the mirrors (Yes, we are the mirrors btw) so look deeply into the eyes of this fucking wolf, and you'll see!
Futility? The death of hope? Do me a fucking favour! LOOK HARDER! Remember. We are not wolfs! We are not children, to get bogged down in meaningless meanings! We are the subject. We are the meaning. We need no other garbled jibber jabber to cling to!

Mirror mirror on the wall, you're no fucking good at all! Leave your reason, at the door, no-one here is keeping score.

This is the Funhouse, the Magic Theatre, and it is not for everyone. It is meant for madmen only, so stop trying to be fucking sane, and have some fun! 
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Triple Zero on January 30, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 30, 2012, 08:30:59 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 30, 2012, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: navkat on January 30, 2012, 05:37:21 AM
I'm allowed to be intrigued by those hypotheses, no?

Yeah ... I just realized I actually don't have a fucking clue what this thread is about.

What are we doing here, then? Free association on fringe physics topics? Can you explain me what's going on? I don't even understand what the thread was supposed to be about ... :?

Let me answer your question with a question:  Do you have a goatee?

No but I can get a cheese goatee at the supermarket tomorrow, will that work?

Quote from: BadBeast on January 30, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
Then it's a good job I'm here then isn't it? Subject matter is no longer important! That boat sailed long ago. You have to look behind the words, the words are just a means towards an end. What's that you say? What's the end?

Does it involve cheese string theory?

QuoteThe end is where we're all going to be soon enough, so wise up people! It doesn't matter. . . . . . . . Have you all forgotten why were even here?

Cheese?

QuoteGot lost in the hallways of "Meaning"? Of "Why"? We're here to have some fucking fun! Why is that such a difficult thing to keep sight of?  (Yes, that's a rhetorical question)
This thread WAS about some bloody thing, but then it became some other bloody thing, then it all got flipped about by the mirrors (Yes, we are the mirrors btw) so look deeply into the eyes of this fucking wolf, and you'll see!
Futility? The death of hope? Do me a fucking favour! LOOK HARDER!

Ooooh it's hard cheese! Now I get it.

QuoteMirror mirror on the wall, you're no fucking good at all! Leave your reason, at the door, no-one here is keeping score.

This is the Funhouse, the Magic Theatre, and it is not for everyone. It is meant for madmen only, so stop trying to be fucking sane, and have some fun! 

You can't make mirrors from cheese. They tried that, but you don't want to know what a mirror-image smells like when its all flipped along its axis.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 30, 2012, 10:20:15 PM
Cheese is just Yoghurt that's trying too hard. A yummy distraction, full of stinky goodness, but a distraction nonetheless.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 30, 2012, 11:31:04 PM

First there is no meaning.
Then the point is to have fun.
Fun is therefore meaningless.
Like dancing round this sun.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 31, 2012, 02:43:13 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 30, 2012, 11:31:04 PM

First there is no meaning.
Then the point is to have fun.
Fun is therefore meaningless.
Like dancing round this sun.

:tyra:
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Telarus on January 31, 2012, 05:06:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRQaeE4z4Y
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on January 31, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: Telarus on January 31, 2012, 05:06:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRQaeE4z4Y
So Gonzo is a Mormon?
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: minuspace on January 31, 2012, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 31, 2012, 02:43:13 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on January 30, 2012, 11:31:04 PM

First there is no meaning.
Then the point is to have fun.
Fun is therefore meaningless.
Like dancing round this sun.

:tyra:

It's so much better w/ Tyra saying it  :lulz:


Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: Don Coyote on February 14, 2012, 02:23:02 AM
I am forced by the dread USGOVTM, that horrid and foul monster to routinely remove both my Beard of PowerTM and my Goatee of Possibly EvilTM. Take a moment and place yourself in my backwards boots and visualize how much turmoil I have to go through to make sure there is enough FreedomTM to go around. And I know IT is saving those fragments of my Goatee to power ITS dread machines. Those not nice ones. The ones that manufacture Those PeopleTM.
Title: Re: Mirror Universe?
Post by: BadBeast on February 14, 2012, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: Pope Coyote of the Wolffnords on February 14, 2012, 02:23:02 AM
I am forced by the dread USGOVTM, that horrid and foul monster to routinely remove both my Beard of PowerTM and my Goatee of Possibly EvilTM. Take a moment and place yourself in my backwards boots and visualize how much turmoil I have to go through to make sure there is enough FreedomTM to go around. And I know IT is saving those fragments of my Goatee to power ITS dread machines. Those not nice ones. The ones that manufacture Those PeopleTM.
I knew I couldn't possibly be the only one to "get" this.