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Unlimited Ferguson Thread of police state nightmare fuel.

Started by Da6s, August 14, 2014, 07:09:14 AM

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Bruno

It sure seems like Ferguson cops don't care very much for cameras at all. They don't have dash cams like almost every other precinct in America, they don't want journalists going outside their little area, to the point of arresting one for taking pictures of the Free Press Zone from across the street. They seem to arrest anyone who points a camera at them outside the Journalist Corral.

I think these noble savages may be afraid the cameras will steal their soul.
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Junkenstein

I've wondered for a while about why cops aren't fitted with a personal camera as standard. It would surely save a lot of time and effort in situations exactly like this one. Many others too. The cost isn't even a conversation, if you can afford tanks and such, you can afford this.

If they have nothing to hide...
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Bruno

Personal camera(s), GPS that records their position at all times, heart rate monitor, etc. The whole shebang, to be worn at all times while on duty. Provided for free by the federal government through a contract with Apple or something!
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Junkenstein

Exactly. It's feasible, affordable and you'd probably get a competitive price with shit like Googleglass and Gopro in the mix.

Seriously, it would totally shut down shit like this. Police shooting? Here's the tape of the victim acting crazy and aggressive and showing the involved cop doing their job correctly. It allows for good officers to get recognition and immediately removes the dickheads on power trips.

I know, it's a bizarre concept thinking that cops should provide evidence beyond their (Obviously honest) word. There's countless court cases that stand and fall based on the arresting officers testimony. Removing the cop from this process surely allows for more on the street and also solves the problem of unreliable eyewitness testimony.

That's not to say that there's no problems at all with having cops covered in cameras, but I suspect it's vastly preferable to the situation we're currently seeing.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Johnny

But surveilance of officers will impede their duty and put them at risk.  :showus:
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Junkenstein

Indeed it will!

It will put them at risk of being held accountable for their actions by an impartial jury of their peers.

Which is, of course, unacceptable.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Bruno

Laws are like sausages. Nobody wants to see how they are made. Even fewer want to see how they are enforced.

I mean, do you want to watch a bunch of white guys enforcing their sausages on people?

I didn't think so.
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Raz Tech

Quote from: Emo Howard on August 20, 2014, 12:17:06 PM
Laws are like sausages. Nobody wants to see how they are made. Even fewer want to see how they are enforced.

I mean, do you want to watch a bunch of white guys enforcing their sausages on people?

I didn't think so.

The porn industry is worth billions of dollars, so apparently there's quite a few people who are down with all kinds of sausage enforcing.

Bruno

Quote from: Raz Tech on August 20, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: Emo Howard on August 20, 2014, 12:17:06 PM
Laws are like sausages. Nobody wants to see how they are made. Even fewer want to see how they are enforced.

I mean, do you want to watch a bunch of white guys enforcing their sausages on people?

I didn't think so.

The porn industry is worth billions of dollars, so apparently there's quite a few people who are down with all kinds of sausage enforcing.

I'm sure there are some Fox News viewers watching the police action with boners.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: von on August 20, 2014, 05:48:22 AM
although unfortunate, keeping them in press areas is good for their safety considering recent events such as msnbc correspondants being pelted with rocks, vice correspondants being pelted with bottles, and several miscellaneous blog-tier journalists getting robbed.


Von, do you seriously not see the problem with what you just said?  I mean, leaving aside that the reporters were sought out in a McDonalds a wee bit later while they were eating their lunch and THEN arrested...And leaving aside the idea that no "first amendment zones" had been established, are you FOR REAL arguing for "first amendment zones" for their own good?
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: von on August 20, 2014, 05:48:22 AM

either way, im sure the window repair market in ferguson will be booming in the coming months.

Well, that's certainly the important part of this whole mess.
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Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 20, 2014, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: von on August 20, 2014, 05:48:22 AM

either way, im sure the window repair market in ferguson will be booming in the coming months.

Well, that's certainly the important part of this whole mess.

A good capitalist always tries to see how to make a buck in any situation. Von's just showing that entrepreneurial spirit that made this country great.
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Quote from: Emo Howard on August 20, 2014, 12:17:06 PM
Laws are like sausages. Nobody wants to see how they are made. Even fewer want to see how they are enforced.

I mean, do you want to watch a bunch of white guys enforcing their sausages on people?

I didn't think so.
:lulz:

:potd:
Back to the fecal matter in the pool

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Da6s on August 20, 2014, 05:35:45 AM
Apparently media blackout was issued. Journalists forced into a press area and told if they do coverage alongside protesters they'll be arrested.

Oh, they did assemble press areas at some point?  This makes me feel like my America™ is functioning as advertised.


QuoteOh, and a conflict of interest was discovered. The prosecutor on the brown case has FOUR family members on the Ferguson police force. Totally going to be a fair trial.

Fear not.  I am sure Von will be along to explain why this is okay.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Da6s

Quote from: Da6s on August 20, 2014, 05:35:45 AM

Oh, and a conflict of interest was discovered. The prosecutor on the brown case has FOUR family members on the Ferguson police force. Totally going to be a fair trial.

Here's the source:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/prosecutor-michael-brown-case-has-deep-family-ties-police-n183911

QuoteOverseeing possible charges in the shooting death of the unarmed teen falls on St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, a Missouri native whose police officer father was killed in the line of duty when McCulloch was 12.

McCulloch's mother, brother, uncle and cousin also worked for the St. Louis police department. Those close family ties to the police — and a bellwether decision 14 years ago not to prosecute two cops who shot and killed two suspects in a drug bust — have raised doubts about his objectivity in deciding whether Ferguson, Missouri, officer Darren Wilson should be prosecuted for the Aug. 9 killing of Brown, 18.

Pretty clear, but this von person seems like he's the latest incarnation of poptart though not nearly as thorough.
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