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[LMNO]

So, I was at a party the other night.  As I am of a certain age, it was a cocktail party, wine, hors de oeuvres, all that stuff.  Anyway, I was shooting the shit with some yuppie woman who works with my wife, and the subject of philosophy came up.  After a bit of back and forth, I decided to broach the subject of the BIP principles.

,ÄúSo, the first think I think is that people need to think for themselves.,Äù

,ÄúYeah, of course.,Äù

,ÄúWell, the second thing is that because of the way we perceive things, we,Äôre limited in the amount of  the Universe we can objectively sense.,Äù

,ÄúMmm-hmm.,Äù

,Äú,ĶAnd, um, so we,Äôre sort of trapped by our own frameworks of the way we see reality.,Äù

,ÄúOkay, sure.,Äù  But her eyes were as dead as any corpse.

And that,Äôs when I realized something:  A lot of what we,Äôre trying to say here are things that just about everybody will agree with.  I mean, who,Äôs going to disagree with a suggestion to think for themselves?  The main problem isn,Äôt that people don,Äôt understand the BIP, it,Äôs that they don,Äôt think it applies to them, or that they,Äôve already dealt with the problem.  How many American Idol fans think they,Äôre independent thinkers because they voted for one of the losers? 

Is this, then, one of the ,Äúreally real,Äù reasons behind O:M?  To make people really understand these principles?  How can you make a person who,Äôs convinced that they think for themselves and believe that they understand the scarcity of their perceptions actually realize it?

Then another thought struck me:  What if the BIP simply doesn,Äôt matter?  What if it,Äôs just another artificial construct that we thought up to try to make ourselves seem important and insightful?

At that point, I got drunk and ornery, and my wife drove us home.

[LHX]

we will find out soon enough


dig up some threads circa fall 2005 and there will be some details about Hell as a Big Waiting Room




in the famous words of LMNO:

if we agree that this BIP shit doesnt matter - then what?

[P3nT4gR4m]

How many American Idol fans think they,Äôre independent thinkers because they voted for one of the losers? 

Meme bomb of the decade! 

Is this, then, one of the ,Äúreally real,Äù reasons behind O:M?  To make people really understand these principles?  How can you make a person who,Äôs convinced that they think for themselves and believe that they understand the scarcity of their perceptions actually realize it?

There has to be a small number of 'marginals' who will 'get' some piece of writing and break a chain or two. There's no quickfire way to enlighten the majority. It's like the matrix - we're trying to give the next prisoner a hand out, or a rope or some other bullshit metaphor. I'd love to wake up tomorrow and the whole human race had read BIP and got it but I figure the best I can hope for is maybe someone did this month.

Then another thought struck me:  What if the BIP simply doesn,Äôt matter?  What if it,Äôs just another artificial construct that we thought up to try to make ourselves seem important and insightful?

Nothing fucking matters dude. Either you enjoy it or you don't. The thought of the look on that one guys face when he reads something I've written and get's the punchline is what keeps me going.

Fuck being important, insight is where it's at for me.

[LMNO]

How many here have actually tried to talk out the BIP with strangers IRL?


How many times has the reaction been, "uh huh, I get it," and hen they continue on their merry way as if nothing has changed, because they just don't think it applies to them?

Is there another way to explain it?

Or do we just throw up our hands, and then clock them from behind with a shovel?

[LHX]

how many people do you know that can make ill music?


"And he won't stop 'till he got the masses
An' show 'em what they know now through flows of hot molasses" - MF Doom


continue to do things that other people cant


last time i checked, there was some momentum building

[P3nT4gR4m]

How many here have actually tried to talk out the BIP with strangers IRL?


How many times has the reaction been, "uh huh, I get it," and hen they continue on their merry way as if nothing has changed, because they just don't think it applies to them?

Is there another way to explain it?

Or do we just throw up our hands, and then clock them from behind with a shovel?

I only discussed "BIP" IRL with people who would get it anyway but I have managed to get in the door with the odd person who brought bewilderment with the situation those kind of concepts were designed for.

Barstool doesn't apply to BIP - you can't just evangelise and hit them with it. They gotta be ready to understand it. You never seen the light switch on in at least one persons face when something you were telling them made the mark?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So, I was at a party the other night.  As I am of a certain age, it was a cocktail party, wine, hors de oeuvres, all that stuff.  Anyway, I was shooting the shit with some yuppie woman who works with my wife, and the subject of philosophy came up.  After a bit of back and forth, I decided to broach the subject of the BIP principles.

,ÄúSo, the first think I think is that people need to think for themselves.,Äù

,ÄúYeah, of course.,Äù

,ÄúWell, the second thing is that because of the way we perceive things, we,Äôre limited in the amount of¬† the Universe we can objectively sense.,Äù

,ÄúMmm-hmm.,Äù

,Äú,ĶAnd, um, so we,Äôre sort of trapped by our own frameworks of the way we see reality.,Äù

,ÄúOkay, sure.,Äù¬† But her eyes were as dead as any corpse.

Billzebub's Principle:  Telling the truth will not make you popular at parties.

Just saying.  As an alternate explanation.

[LMNO]

Note to self:  KYFMS at parties.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Note to self:  Get wasted and fuck at parties.

fixx

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Note to self:  KYFMS at parties.

Or just try a different approach.   I let people gabble about whatever comes into their empty little heads, and then I say, "Well, you know what "Bob" says about that...", as if everyone whos' ANYONE* knows who "Bob" is.

Then it's off to the races.

( * --->  Which, of course, is true.)

[LMNO]

You have a good point, Rog.  I did feel self-concious, and was reluctant to go into the "You're in a fucking Black Iron Prison!" routine.

It's in the presentation, I suppose.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You have a good point, Rog.  I did feel self-concious, and was reluctant to go into the "You're in a fucking Black Iron Prison!" routine.

It's in the presentation, I suppose.

Do never bash people in the face with your religion (bash them in the face with OTHER peoples' religions - I must have cost Pat Robertson HUNDREDS of converts via deliberately poor evangelism).  Instead, make THEM beg YOU to tell you about your stuff.  Make it seem that ALL the COOL people know about this.

You have to make the swine believe you have something for them.

[LMNO]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Subgenii have more money than the Discordians.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Subgenii have more money than the Discordians.

Hey, btw...the insurgents just figured out what fun you can have by mixing bleach and ammonia in public places.

Now THAT is using symbology.  Har har!

[AFK]

How many here have actually tried to talk out the BIP with strangers IRL?


How many times has the reaction been, "uh huh, I get it," and hen they continue on their merry way as if nothing has changed, because they just don't think it applies to them?

Is there another way to explain it?

Or do we just throw up our hands, and then clock them from behind with a shovel?

I've tried it and I get the same thing.  I think the messenger is important to take into consideration.  I've got me an edumacation so people foolishly put more credence into what I say just because of that.  They don't actually pay attention to WHAT I'm saying, however.