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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, February 23, 2007, 06:56:33 AM

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LMNO

#45
February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.


The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.

Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.


Close?

Jasper

#46
February 23, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
As long as it's you making the decision, the vastly complex interplay of real life dynamic is pretty irrelevant to how free you are.

The Good Reverend Roger

#47
February 23, 2007, 07:31:30 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.


The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.

Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.


Close?

Yep, except that identifying them is optional.  Plus there's something about kicking people in the jimmy, IIRC.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

#48
February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.

Oversimplification, IMO.

Simple things work better.  And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.

Puts you in league with W.

Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
P E R   A S P E R A   A D   A S T R A

P3nT4gR4m

#49
February 23, 2007, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:19:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:16:51 PM
yessir, officer man.

"Constable", actually, can you fucking believe it.

They still have constables.


Q) What do you call a woman police officer who shaves her muff?

A) Cuntstubble!

don't all thank me at once

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Jasper

#50
February 23, 2007, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.

Oversimplification, IMO.

Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.

Puts you in league with W.

Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.

You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?

Fuck that.

The Good Reverend Roger

#51
February 23, 2007, 07:34:02 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.

Oversimplification, IMO.

Simple things work better.  And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.

Puts you in league with W.

Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.

Please fix your sig.

ETA:  Thanks.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#52
February 23, 2007, 07:34:59 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

#53
February 23, 2007, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.

Oversimplification, IMO.

Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.

Puts you in league with W.

Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.

You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?

Fuck that.

No chap.

Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
P E R   A S P E R A   A D   A S T R A

P3nT4gR4m

#54
February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.


The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.

Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.


Close?

Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?

Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Jasper

#55
February 23, 2007, 07:37:56 PM
Why shouldn't they?  What's the point in being right if you took so long to think that you never did anything?

Jasper

#56
February 23, 2007, 07:38:24 PM
Also, library time up, be back later.

The Good Reverend Roger

#57
February 23, 2007, 07:39:23 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:33:39 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.

Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.

Oversimplification, IMO.

Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.

Puts you in league with W.

Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.

You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?

Fuck that.

No chap.

Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.

Name one.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#58
February 23, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.


The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.

Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.


Close?

Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?

Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.

Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.

The Good Reverend Roger

#59
February 23, 2007, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.


The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.

Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.


Close?

Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?

Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.

Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.

And sometimes it comes from high-quality Sexhurt,Ñ¢.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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