I'm busy at school right now, but here is a link with a news feed:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/breaking-news-oct-22/article21217602/?click=sf_globe#dashboard/follows/
I'm not hearing shit on the American media.
BBC News has managed to say "we don't know what is happening" for 20 minutes straight. It's kinda impressive...or would be, except it is Frank Gardner saying it, and he has all the presence of mind of a concussed duckling, and about as much understanding of "security issues".
I'm getting the back end of it from a conversation on Facebook with Canadian friends. They said they ordered all military to take their uniforms off and change into civilian clothing. Fuck.
A soldier was shot, that much I know. This was at Capitol Hill.
A gunman also entered the Canadian Parliament, fired several shots.
Not sure if its the same gunman, or if the gunman had accomplices.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
A gunman also entered the Canadian Parliament, fired several shots.
Not sure if its the same gunman, or if the gunman had accomplices.
My
guess is that it's one guy.
Same. Canadians are jumpy though, after the guy on Monday. Three attacks, even low level and lone wolf in nature, can look like a planned campaign, if you're as paranoid as the CSIS is (they make the Stasi look trusting by nature. I'd love to know what level of hell Canadian intelligence summoned them out of).
They wont be ruling anything out. Hell, they'll probably ship half a dozen people off to Egypt to be tortured on reflex alone.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
Same. Canadians are jumpy though, after the guy on Monday. Three attacks, even low level and lone wolf in nature, can look like a planned campaign, if you're as paranoid as the CSIS is (they make the Stasi look trusting by nature. I'd love to know what level of hell Canadian intelligence summoned them out of).
They wont be ruling anything out. Hell, they'll probably ship half a dozen people off to Egypt to be tortured on reflex alone.
We seem to have to act like this once or twice each century. You could set your watch to it.
For those wondering about my downer on CSIS
Quote from: Kurt Eichenwald, 500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror WarsAt 3: 00 P.M. in Toronto, a truck driver named Ahmad El-Maati unlocked the door to his apartment , went inside, and greeted his mother. El-Maati looked exhausted; it had been a day of enormous strain. Early that morning, he had quit the long-haul trucking business, returning his rig's keys to his employer, Highland Transport. He had enjoyed the work until a month before, when he was stopped at the American border and searched. On that day, he had been driving a loaner because his truck was in the shop, and the inspection turned up a few items that weren't his, including a map. It was a black-and-white photocopy, only slightly better than hand-drawn, and it depicted Tunney's Pasture, an area in Ottawa developed exclusively for federal government buildings. A few of the facilities were labeled with names like H& W VIRUS LABS, ELDORADO NUCLEAR LTD, and ATOMIC ENERGY OF CANADA. The agents had interrogated El-Maati extensively about the map, demanding to know why he was carrying it. He could only reply that the paper wasn't his.
The border confrontation had left El-Maati jittery for weeks, despite the efforts of his supervisors at Highland to assure him of their support. The company had investigated and concluded that one of the truck's previous drivers had picked up the map while on a delivery in Ottawa. Ann Armstrong, a manager at Highland, had given El-Maati a letter stating that he had reported the incident to his superiors and that he should be commended for his professionalism in dealing with the matter. But he still felt too frightened to keep crossing the border. Better, El-Maati decided, to give up transporting items thousands of miles and drive shorter—if less profitable— routes in Canada.
Then came the terrorist attack that morning in the United States. Shortly after he returned his keys, he saw the news of the second plane crash on a television in the drivers' lounge. The sight had made El-Maati nauseated, and he wanted to vomit. His emotional turmoil continued all the way back home as he grappled with the images of death that he had just witnessed. Now, at his apartment, he was ready to sit down and take a moment to gather his thoughts.
Before he could, a knock came at the door. Odd, since no one had buzzed from downstairs to be allowed into the building. El-Maati answered. Two men in suits stood in the hallway. Both flipped open leather cases, showing their identification. They were with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service— CSIS. One of the men identified himself as Adrian White. "We need to speak with you," he said.
QuoteDownstairs, El-Maati and the two agents crossed the street and sat on a bench. White explained that, given the attacks in the United States, CSIS was visiting people whose names had come up in the past— known as a "knock-and-talk" in the intelligence service. "We heard about the map and what happened at the border," White said. "Tell us about the map." The map! How could he get them to understand that he didn't know anything about it? El-Maati brought out the letter written by Ann Armstrong. He always carried it in his shirt pocket for moments like this. The two agents read the letter, then gave it back. "Okay," White said, "let's talk about your background and about your travels." El-Maati suggested that they continue the conversation at a coffee shop in a nearby plaza.
The three men walked there and sat at a table on a patio. The questions were boilerplate— where was El-Maati born , where had he gone to school, what had he studied. He answered for a while, but grew increasingly worried. "Look, I want to have a lawyer present to make sure nothing I'm saying gets misinterpreted," he said. "So we can continue this same conversation any way you like and anywhere you like, but with a lawyer present so I can preserve my rights." White looked annoyed. "We're not a court here. You don't need a lawyer." El-Maati insisted. White mentioned that CSIS knew that he was trying to sponsor a woman he planned to marry so that she could move to Canada. The file for that type of request went through the intelligence service, which had to give its approval. Maybe, the agent suggested, that application might be stopped if he refused to cooperate.
"You know, Ahmad, we are mukhabarat," White said. El-Maati recoiled backward as if he had been slapped in the face. In Arabic, mukhabarat generally referred to government units involved in gathering intelligence . Perhaps White was attempting to make clear that he was not part of a criminal prosecution. But, El-Maati feared, perhaps not— in the popular parlance of the Middle East , mukhabarat had come to mean something more sinister. It referred to the secret police departments in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, and Syria that imposed state controls over their citizens; the mukhabarat were renowned for snatching up people and making them disappear into prisons where they were tortured while under interrogation.
Quote"You know how the mukhabarat here in Canada deals with its citizens," White said. "We're soft on our citizens. There are laws that control what we do. And you know how the mukhabarat deals with people back in the Middle East." Hesitation. El-Maati believed they were telling him that if he didn't speak now, he would have to deal with the mukhabarat in his home country of Egypt. "Are you threatening me?" he said. White held up his hands. "No, no. Absolutely not. We just want you to cooperate."
QuoteYears would pass before El-Maati learned the truth about the map. It was a decade old. The sensitive buildings it depicted had not existed for years before El-Maati crossed the border. It had been drawn not by terrorists, but by the government of Canada, a visitors' guide printed up by the hundreds.
QuoteSomewhere in the world, the Mounties felt sure, was evidence to prove their suspicions. And so they launched their dragnet by fax, asking counterparts worldwide to search their files for information. Responses were needed quickly, the fax said —both Almalki and El-Maati constituted "imminent threats" to Canada and were working with al-Qaeda.
Despite the certainty of their message, the Mounties didn't know if any of what they had written was true. They hadn't started investigating either man, and had obtained only skimpy records from CSIS. Other than the map, they had next to nothing on El-Maati. There was some information in the files about Almalki, purportedly provided by an outside source. But the records were wrong— the source had given evidence about someone else, not Almalki.
None of the recipients could know that the statements in the fax were fiction. Instead, the countries that received the document—including Syria, where both men were born— now listed these two Canadian citizens as dangerous terrorists.
QuoteThe news reports about the Kuwaiti man with the map appeared on the Internet and were published in newspapers worldwide. A day later , a Middle Eastern intelligence service wrote a letter to CSIS, asking for more information as well as for the name of the man being investigated. The Canadian agency reported back, identifying El-Maati. The map he had been carrying, the response said, was about ten years old. But the Canadians didn't think that made any difference. El-Maati, they were convinced, was part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell.
QuoteA Middle Eastern country passed on the intelligence— another al-Qaeda hijacking was in the works, with at least one terrorist planning to divert a Canadian flight to strike a new, high-profile American target. The information reached CSIS on November 8, and this was something the intelligence services could act on. The country that had developed the intelligence knew the name of a hijacker: Amer El-Maati, the brother of Ahmad, the man with the map. Amer had long been suspected of being an al-Qaeda member, and the new intelligence said that he had already arrived in Canada to prepare for the hijacking. CSIS provided multiple agencies with the information, but there was no record of Amer having traveled there. The next morning, Canadian law enforcement dug up another frightening scrap of evidence. Ahmad El-Maati was planning to fly from Canada to Syria, supposedly for an impending wedding. Investigators considered that to be nothing more than a ruse— El-Maati, they feared, might instead be planning to fulfill his brother's hijacking plan.
QuoteIn the heart of downtown Damascus, blocks from the lush Sheraton Hotel, stands an unassuming group of three unattractive concrete buildings. There, behind thick concrete walls patrolled by heavily armed guards, reside the damned— prisoners held by Syrian military intelligence at Far' Falastin, or the Palestine Branch.
This place would now be the home of Ahmad El-Maati, who had just been snatched from the Damascus Airport. After he arrived, El-Maati was hustled inside and up a flight of stairs to an office. There, Syrian officials opened his suitcases, tossing his clothes and personal items to the floor and pocketing the gifts he brought for his in-laws. But they wanted something else. "Where are the documents?" one asked. "Where is the map?" El-Maati asked them to explain. In response, they punched and kicked him, then led him to a dark hallway in the basement . Along the wall were narrow doors , like small closets. Number five was opened, and the Syrians threw him inside.
The cell had no window, no light, no toilet, and reeked of urine and feces. It was only about three feet wide, and his head almost reached the ceiling. El-Maati felt as if he were standing in his own coffin. The door slammed shut and El-Maati stood alone in the darkness, perplexed and terrified. From upstairs, he heard screaming.
QuoteTwo guards brought El-Maati into a poorly lit room. George Salloum, the head of interrogations, waited inside. He smiled as he approached his new prisoner. "There is no point hiding information," Salloum said. "I already know so much about you." In a calm voice , Salloum ticked off El-Maati's address in Toronto, plus the make, color, and license-plate number of his car.
The moment was terrifying— the Canadians, El-Maati thought, had to be working with the Syrians. Salloum leaned in and spoke slowly. "Tell me about the map." El-Maati blurted out the now-familiar story. It wasn't his truck with the map. He had borrowed it. He had done nothing wrong. A pause .
Then someone hit him in the face. Then again. And again. El -Maati was on the ground, and the guards kicked him in the head, in the torso, in the groin. The days of torture ran together. El-Maati was blindfolded and told to strip to his shorts. His hands were cuffed behind his back and to his legs, and he was forced onto his stomach. Ice water was poured over him. He was whipped with the splayed metal wires from an industrial electric cable on the bottoms of his feet, his thighs, his knees, his back. Pain seared through his body; blood blinded his eyes. These people are not human! Maybe some kinds of devils from hell!
"Please!" El-Maati begged. "Tell me! Tell me what you want me to say!" Salloum smiled. "No. It isn't time yet." The torture resumed. El-Maati could hear nothing but the sounds of his own screams.
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
For those wondering about my downer on CSIS
Quote from: Kurt Eichenwald, 500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror WarsAt 3: 00 P.M. in Toronto, a truck driver named Ahmad El-Maati unlocked the door to his apartment , went inside, and greeted his mother. El-Maati looked exhausted; it had been a day of enormous strain. Early that morning, he had quit the long-haul trucking business, returning his rig's keys to his employer, Highland Transport. He had enjoyed the work until a month before, when he was stopped at the American border and searched. On that day, he had been driving a loaner because his truck was in the shop, and the inspection turned up a few items that weren't his, including a map. It was a black-and-white photocopy, only slightly better than hand-drawn, and it depicted Tunney's Pasture, an area in Ottawa developed exclusively for federal government buildings. A few of the facilities were labeled with names like H& W VIRUS LABS, ELDORADO NUCLEAR LTD, and ATOMIC ENERGY OF CANADA. The agents had interrogated El-Maati extensively about the map, demanding to know why he was carrying it. He could only reply that the paper wasn't his.
The border confrontation had left El-Maati jittery for weeks, despite the efforts of his supervisors at Highland to assure him of their support. The company had investigated and concluded that one of the truck's previous drivers had picked up the map while on a delivery in Ottawa. Ann Armstrong, a manager at Highland, had given El-Maati a letter stating that he had reported the incident to his superiors and that he should be commended for his professionalism in dealing with the matter. But he still felt too frightened to keep crossing the border. Better, El-Maati decided, to give up transporting items thousands of miles and drive shorter—if less profitable— routes in Canada.
Then came the terrorist attack that morning in the United States. Shortly after he returned his keys, he saw the news of the second plane crash on a television in the drivers' lounge. The sight had made El-Maati nauseated, and he wanted to vomit. His emotional turmoil continued all the way back home as he grappled with the images of death that he had just witnessed. Now, at his apartment, he was ready to sit down and take a moment to gather his thoughts.
Before he could, a knock came at the door. Odd, since no one had buzzed from downstairs to be allowed into the building. El-Maati answered. Two men in suits stood in the hallway. Both flipped open leather cases, showing their identification. They were with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service— CSIS. One of the men identified himself as Adrian White. "We need to speak with you," he said.
QuoteDownstairs, El-Maati and the two agents crossed the street and sat on a bench. White explained that, given the attacks in the United States, CSIS was visiting people whose names had come up in the past— known as a "knock-and-talk" in the intelligence service. "We heard about the map and what happened at the border," White said. "Tell us about the map." The map! How could he get them to understand that he didn't know anything about it? El-Maati brought out the letter written by Ann Armstrong. He always carried it in his shirt pocket for moments like this. The two agents read the letter, then gave it back. "Okay," White said, "let's talk about your background and about your travels." El-Maati suggested that they continue the conversation at a coffee shop in a nearby plaza.
The three men walked there and sat at a table on a patio. The questions were boilerplate— where was El-Maati born , where had he gone to school, what had he studied. He answered for a while, but grew increasingly worried. "Look, I want to have a lawyer present to make sure nothing I'm saying gets misinterpreted," he said. "So we can continue this same conversation any way you like and anywhere you like, but with a lawyer present so I can preserve my rights." White looked annoyed. "We're not a court here. You don't need a lawyer." El-Maati insisted. White mentioned that CSIS knew that he was trying to sponsor a woman he planned to marry so that she could move to Canada. The file for that type of request went through the intelligence service, which had to give its approval. Maybe, the agent suggested, that application might be stopped if he refused to cooperate.
"You know, Ahmad, we are mukhabarat," White said. El-Maati recoiled backward as if he had been slapped in the face. In Arabic, mukhabarat generally referred to government units involved in gathering intelligence . Perhaps White was attempting to make clear that he was not part of a criminal prosecution. But, El-Maati feared, perhaps not— in the popular parlance of the Middle East , mukhabarat had come to mean something more sinister. It referred to the secret police departments in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, and Syria that imposed state controls over their citizens; the mukhabarat were renowned for snatching up people and making them disappear into prisons where they were tortured while under interrogation.
Quote"You know how the mukhabarat here in Canada deals with its citizens," White said. "We're soft on our citizens. There are laws that control what we do. And you know how the mukhabarat deals with people back in the Middle East." Hesitation. El-Maati believed they were telling him that if he didn't speak now, he would have to deal with the mukhabarat in his home country of Egypt. "Are you threatening me?" he said. White held up his hands. "No, no. Absolutely not. We just want you to cooperate."
QuoteYears would pass before El-Maati learned the truth about the map. It was a decade old. The sensitive buildings it depicted had not existed for years before El-Maati crossed the border. It had been drawn not by terrorists, but by the government of Canada, a visitors' guide printed up by the hundreds.
QuoteSomewhere in the world, the Mounties felt sure, was evidence to prove their suspicions. And so they launched their dragnet by fax, asking counterparts worldwide to search their files for information. Responses were needed quickly, the fax said —both Almalki and El-Maati constituted "imminent threats" to Canada and were working with al-Qaeda.
Despite the certainty of their message, the Mounties didn't know if any of what they had written was true. They hadn't started investigating either man, and had obtained only skimpy records from CSIS. Other than the map, they had next to nothing on El-Maati. There was some information in the files about Almalki, purportedly provided by an outside source. But the records were wrong— the source had given evidence about someone else, not Almalki.
None of the recipients could know that the statements in the fax were fiction. Instead, the countries that received the document—including Syria, where both men were born— now listed these two Canadian citizens as dangerous terrorists.
QuoteThe news reports about the Kuwaiti man with the map appeared on the Internet and were published in newspapers worldwide. A day later , a Middle Eastern intelligence service wrote a letter to CSIS, asking for more information as well as for the name of the man being investigated. The Canadian agency reported back, identifying El-Maati. The map he had been carrying, the response said, was about ten years old. But the Canadians didn't think that made any difference. El-Maati, they were convinced, was part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell.
QuoteA Middle Eastern country passed on the intelligence— another al-Qaeda hijacking was in the works, with at least one terrorist planning to divert a Canadian flight to strike a new, high-profile American target. The information reached CSIS on November 8, and this was something the intelligence services could act on. The country that had developed the intelligence knew the name of a hijacker: Amer El-Maati, the brother of Ahmad, the man with the map. Amer had long been suspected of being an al-Qaeda member, and the new intelligence said that he had already arrived in Canada to prepare for the hijacking. CSIS provided multiple agencies with the information, but there was no record of Amer having traveled there. The next morning, Canadian law enforcement dug up another frightening scrap of evidence. Ahmad El-Maati was planning to fly from Canada to Syria, supposedly for an impending wedding. Investigators considered that to be nothing more than a ruse— El-Maati, they feared, might instead be planning to fulfill his brother's hijacking plan.
QuoteIn the heart of downtown Damascus, blocks from the lush Sheraton Hotel, stands an unassuming group of three unattractive concrete buildings. There, behind thick concrete walls patrolled by heavily armed guards, reside the damned— prisoners held by Syrian military intelligence at Far' Falastin, or the Palestine Branch.
This place would now be the home of Ahmad El-Maati, who had just been snatched from the Damascus Airport. After he arrived, El-Maati was hustled inside and up a flight of stairs to an office. There, Syrian officials opened his suitcases, tossing his clothes and personal items to the floor and pocketing the gifts he brought for his in-laws. But they wanted something else. "Where are the documents?" one asked. "Where is the map?" El-Maati asked them to explain. In response, they punched and kicked him, then led him to a dark hallway in the basement . Along the wall were narrow doors , like small closets. Number five was opened, and the Syrians threw him inside.
The cell had no window, no light, no toilet, and reeked of urine and feces. It was only about three feet wide, and his head almost reached the ceiling. El-Maati felt as if he were standing in his own coffin. The door slammed shut and El-Maati stood alone in the darkness, perplexed and terrified. From upstairs, he heard screaming.
QuoteTwo guards brought El-Maati into a poorly lit room. George Salloum, the head of interrogations, waited inside. He smiled as he approached his new prisoner. "There is no point hiding information," Salloum said. "I already know so much about you." In a calm voice , Salloum ticked off El-Maati's address in Toronto, plus the make, color, and license-plate number of his car.
The moment was terrifying— the Canadians, El-Maati thought, had to be working with the Syrians. Salloum leaned in and spoke slowly. "Tell me about the map." El-Maati blurted out the now-familiar story. It wasn't his truck with the map. He had borrowed it. He had done nothing wrong. A pause .
Then someone hit him in the face. Then again. And again. El -Maati was on the ground, and the guards kicked him in the head, in the torso, in the groin. The days of torture ran together. El-Maati was blindfolded and told to strip to his shorts. His hands were cuffed behind his back and to his legs, and he was forced onto his stomach. Ice water was poured over him. He was whipped with the splayed metal wires from an industrial electric cable on the bottoms of his feet, his thighs, his knees, his back. Pain seared through his body; blood blinded his eyes. These people are not human! Maybe some kinds of devils from hell!
"Please!" El-Maati begged. "Tell me! Tell me what you want me to say!" Salloum smiled. "No. It isn't time yet." The torture resumed. El-Maati could hear nothing but the sounds of his own screams.
:eek:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 22, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
A gunman also entered the Canadian Parliament, fired several shots.
Not sure if its the same gunman, or if the gunman had accomplices.
My guess is that it's one guy.
I'd concur and further guess is it'll be multiple guys by the end of the week. There's no way there's not going to be "accomplice" or "Conspiracy to" arrests occurring out of this. How valid those arrests will be, well.....
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on October 22, 2014, 09:23:22 PM
:eek:
This is what millions of po'buckers vigorously defend.
To be fair, CSIS did not tip off Syrian intelligence about his flight to Damascus.
They tipped off American intelligence, who then tipped off the Syrians. You can lay pretty much everything else at their feet though,
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
To be fair, CSIS did not tip off Syrian intelligence about his flight to Damascus.
They tipped off American intelligence, who then tipped off the Syrians. You can lay pretty much everything else at their feet though,
So it was three assholes instead of two. That's WORSE, not better.
Fucking Canada. I had expected better. Because I am naive in some ways.
I always fucking tell people to not take Canada's passive nature at face value. Mostly in jest, but still, you never fuck with the passive aggressive. Though I never expected anything that dark.
Cain, am I wrong that a significant portion of MK-ULTRA went down in Canada?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 22, 2014, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
To be fair, CSIS did not tip off Syrian intelligence about his flight to Damascus.
They tipped off American intelligence, who then tipped off the Syrians. You can lay pretty much everything else at their feet though,
So it was three assholes instead of two. That's WORSE, not better.
Fucking Canada. I had expected better. Because I am naive in some ways.
I'm not entirely sure of Canada's reasoning for not informing Syria, truth be told. It may have been yet another layer of assholery, "let the terrorist run around on Assad's watch, because fuck him" or something else. Will check another time.
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2014, 11:54:20 PM
Cain, am I wrong that a significant portion of MK-ULTRA went down in Canada?
Nope, not wrong at all. Ewen Cameron, the head of the American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations, was based in Montreal for Subproject 68.
QuoteCiting unnamed Canadian officials, US and Canadian news agencies identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.
Anyone want to data-mine his social networking profiles while I sleep?
Related, there's a certain tone that this appears to be written in. It's not a pleasant one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29699275
QuoteCanada, much like the UK and other European countries, has allowed a steady stream of extremist individuals, money and ideology to enter the country.
Since the 1980s, these individuals have set up front groups and charitable organisations to accomplish their goals.
Over the past few years, four of these charities have had their status revoked for funding terrorism. These include the World Islamic Call Society of London, Ontario, in 2011, which was involved with Col Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan Jihad Fund.
QuoteExamples of this were Xristos Katsiroubas, 22, and Ali Medlej, 24, both from Ontario, who were key figures in the gas plant attack in Algeria in January 2013.
QuoteLast week, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police stated that they had 63 national security cases linked to terrorism involving 90 suspects. Those include people who intend to go overseas to fight and those who have returned.
QuoteFor example, the International Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy-Canada was listed as a terrorist entity in April after it was accused of channelling money to Hamas.
The Islamic Society of North America Development Foundation had its charitable status revoked after the Canada Revenue Agency accused it of distributing funds to a group linked to another group listed as a terrorist organisation by the EU and the government of India.
However, more than 20 charities in Canada remain that are believed to be fronts for extremism.
The UK recently launched a study into the Muslim Brotherhood to better understand the nature of the group.
Various details coming out about the shooter. Including dead and apparently pro IS. Harper making statements about terrorists everywhere fucking up everything. I've got a fiver on at least a few of those 90 suspects being taken for a quiet chat by sunday at the latest.
Also, I love that the UK is "Studying the Muslim Brotherhood". I'm sure we will come to the correct conclusions.
As of this morning, NPR has been calling it a Terrorist Attack™, from what I can tell based soley on a one-off comment.
From a non-Fearmongering jingoist perspective, does this qualify as such, or is it all for show?
Maybe. It looks like one, but the only way to be sure is to know the intentions of the gunman.
Whose father, it turns out, was involved with the Libyan rebels. There's also some evidence linking him to the previous attack, on Monday (namely a pro-ISIS Twitter account which was followed by Monday's attacker tweeted a picture of MZB holding a rifle and dressed like he was on the day of the shootings).
You'll note this is similar to the planned attacks by ISIS supporters in Australia. If this is ISIS's grand plan, Lee Rigby style acts of low tech and petty murder, then I have to say, I'm not impressed.
Well, people are freaking out, so cost-effective mission accomplished, I guess?
Yeah, I guess. But I have a higher standard than most people. Besides, a good 90% of that fear is from the ghouls in the media and the government, stirring it all up and savouring the smell of panic, whipping people into a frenzy over what is, essentially, a minor event. In the grand scheme of things, of course.
I mean, if I were going to plan a terrorist attack, I'd go all out. There wouldn't be a country left standing when I was done. I wouldn't kamikaze charge the Parliament building and hope for the best, because that's stupid and ineffective.
And perhaps that is the point. Stupid, ineffective, low-cost attacks which rile Western nations and put pressure on greater forces for intervention, leading to a land invasion of Islamic State territory, which can then be used to rally Muslims against the "Western Crusaders and their Zionist masters".
Quote from: Cain on October 23, 2014, 12:20:37 PM
And perhaps that is the point. Stupid, ineffective, low-cost attacks which rile Western nations and put pressure on greater forces for intervention, leading to a land invasion of Islamic State territory, which can then be used to rally Muslims against the "Western Crusaders and their Zionist masters".
I'm betting it IS the point. ISIS doesn't exactly have the crowned heads of the Middle East on board. They aren't going to form a monster Islamic state without a common enemy, at least to shake things up a bit.
Quote from: Cain on October 23, 2014, 01:41:12 AM
QuoteCiting unnamed Canadian officials, US and Canadian news agencies identified the dead gunman as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.
Anyone want to data-mine his social networking profiles while I sleep?
FB after search after copypasta of name exactly above gave 2 generated profiles. One was blank and apparently auto generated. The other was this
hxxps://www.facebook.com/pages/Michael-Zehaf-Bibeau/304426673084624
nice blurry pic.
Video
(not played it yet myself) tried to play it... links to an article briefly, then immediately redirects to nasty pron. Link provided is nsfw and at your own risk. Not sure if scam or means to block article.
hxxp://www.todayleak.com/2014/10/otawa-shooting-live-updates/
will run the Google next, but then out of options.
Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
Tried to Google auto correct to
Michael Zehef-Bibeau
There are many articles using both names but seems precious little social network stuff other than the FB above that I can find so far. Gonna dig for a bit. If I post again I struck something.
ETA:
better link to the video above. That FB acct seems to be a booby trap.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/breakingdeveloping-suspected-shooter-canadian-parliament-attack-may-isis-ties/
It was weird watching a mandatory commercial first.
Also this:
http://seen.co/event/parliament-hill-shootings-ottawa-2014-3173/highlight/37325
the blue scarf pic was put out by an alleged ISIS twitter acct and is spreading very fast indeed.
No sign of personal social media.
Thanks. His social media presence may exist in Arabic or on Arabic social media.
In other news:
- Canada has ruled out a direct link to ISIS. Probably just as well.
- Stephen Harper hid in a cupboard for 15 minutes, apparently terrified terrorists would kill him (is anyone surprised? No).
- MPs took down flagpoles and turned them into spears, in case they needed to go hand-to-hand with any terrorists in the building (Canadian MPs confirmed as being tough enough to fight Putin one-on-one).
Point two is hilarious. I imagine most UK MP's would react in a similar manner.
Australian MP's would probably have been armed and formed a hunting party to go after the guy.
"You call that a gun?"
"Bruce! BRUCE! Some cunt's shooting up the parly!"
Well, I guess we're not as much better than America as I'd thought. Not even a week after the fact and my grandfather(normally noted for his moderate political views (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People)) is calling for a dictatorship. In the States, it took 3,000 deaths and two months for people to brush uncomfortably close to that conclusion, but I guess for some Canadians a single death and a couple of days are good enough.
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
Well, I guess we're not as much better than America as I'd thought. Not even a week after the fact and my grandfather(normally noted for his moderate political views (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People)) is calling for a dictatorship. In the States, it took 3,000 deaths and two months for people to brush uncomfortably close to that conclusion, but I guess for some Canadians a single death and a couple of days are good enough.
Humans are stupid. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Humans are also geniuses. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
Well, I guess we're not as much better than America as I'd thought. Not even a week after the fact and my grandfather(normally noted for his moderate political views (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People)) is calling for a dictatorship. In the States, it took 3,000 deaths and two months for people to brush uncomfortably close to that conclusion, but I guess for some Canadians a single death and a couple of days are good enough.
Humans are stupid. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Humans are also geniuses. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Yeah. I guess Canada has a stronger exceptionalist streak than America ever did, and I bought into it as hard as anyone else. I know better now.
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
Well, I guess we're not as much better than America as I'd thought. Not even a week after the fact and my grandfather(normally noted for his moderate political views (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People)) is calling for a dictatorship. In the States, it took 3,000 deaths and two months for people to brush uncomfortably close to that conclusion, but I guess for some Canadians a single death and a couple of days are good enough.
Humans are stupid. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Humans are also geniuses. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Yeah. I guess Canada has a stronger exceptionalist streak than America ever did, and I bought into it as hard as anyone else. I know better now.
It's easy to feel superior living next to the United States.
At least until you start reading the Canadian history they didn't bother teaching anyone in high school.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: President Television on October 24, 2014, 06:32:45 PM
Well, I guess we're not as much better than America as I'd thought. Not even a week after the fact and my grandfather(normally noted for his moderate political views (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People)) is calling for a dictatorship. In the States, it took 3,000 deaths and two months for people to brush uncomfortably close to that conclusion, but I guess for some Canadians a single death and a couple of days are good enough.
Humans are stupid. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Humans are also geniuses. It doesn't matter where they're from.
Yeah. I guess Canada has a stronger exceptionalist streak than America ever did, and I bought into it as hard as anyone else. I know better now.
It's easy to feel superior living next to the United States.
At least until you start reading the Canadian history they didn't bother teaching anyone in high school.
They covered residential schools. Can you give me some other examples? I think I should look into this.
Quote from: Cain on October 24, 2014, 08:21:29 AM
Thanks. His social media presence may exist in Arabic or on Arabic social media.
In other news:
- Canada has ruled out a direct link to ISIS. Probably just as well.
- Stephen Harper hid in a cupboard for 15 minutes, apparently terrified terrorists would kill him (is anyone surprised? No).
- MPs took down flagpoles and turned them into spears, in case they needed to go hand-to-hand with any terrorists in the building (Canadian MPs confirmed as being tough enough to fight Putin one-on-one).
:lulz:
That reminds me of a story told around the SCA circles here in the North West. Some Mounties had invited the SCA heavy fighters to help them train with their riot gear (shields, etc). The heavies brought their rattan swords and hand-made shields.... and some-one brought a rattan pole-arm. The guy in charge of the Mountie exercise started giving that person a bunch of shit about it until another of the heavy fighters walked over to a nearby stop sign and pulled it out of the ground, swung it around a few times and then "readied" it at the line of Mounties.
So they let the guy use the padded spear.