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Title: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 01, 2012, 03:54:17 PM
OK, this is just the latest in a number of disturbing things I am hearing out of Athens

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/28/greek-police-victims-neo-nazi?CMP=twt_gu

QuoteGreece's far-right Golden Dawn party is increasingly assuming the role of law enforcement officers on the streets of the bankrupt country, with mounting evidence that Athenians are being openly directed by police to seek help from the neo-Nazi group, analysts, activists and lawyers say.

In return, a growing number of Greek crime victims have come to see the party, whose symbol bears an uncanny resemblance to the swastika, as a "protector".

One victim of crime, an eloquent US-trained civil servant, told the Guardian of her family's shock at being referred to the party when her mother recently called the police following an incident involving Albanian immigrants in their downtown apartment block.

"They immediately said if it's an issue with immigrants go to Golden Dawn," said the 38-year-old, who fearing for her job and safety, spoke only on condition of anonymity. "We don't condone Golden Dawn but there is an acute social problem that has come with the breakdown of feeling of security among lower and middle class people in the urban centre," she said. "If the police and official mechanism can't deliver and there is no recourse to justice, then you have to turn to other maverick solutions."

Other Greeks with similar experiences said the far-rightists, catapulted into parliament on a ticket of tackling "immigrant scum" were simply doing the job of a defunct state that had left a growing number feeling overwhelmed by a "sense of powerlessness". "Nature hates vacuums and Golden Dawn is just filling a vacuum that no other party is addressing," one woman lamented. "It gives 'little people' a sense that they can survive, that they are safe in their own homes."

Far from being tamed, parliamentary legitimacy appears only to have emboldened the extremists. In recent weeks racially-motivated attacks have proliferated. Immigrants have spoken of their fear of roaming the streets at night following a spate of attacks by black-clad men on motorbikes. Street vendors from Africa and Asia have also been targeted.

Make no mistake, the Golden Dawn is an outright fascist organization, despite the Guardian dancing around it with the "flag that resembles a swastika" hinting bullshit.

Half of the Athens police force voted for the Golden Dawn, so their sympathy for the group is obvious.  The Golden Dawn are also buying up sympathy by distributing food to the poor (so long as they can prove they are Greek) and providing general security on the streets, both from rioting anarchists and leftists and from "immigrant crime" (real or imagined).

Less publically, but still acknowledged, are the night-time armed attacks, beatdowns and murders of the same above enemies of the party.  The Greek state, fearful of political instability, seems to be content to let the Golden Dawn take care of the left, and seems to hope that public opinion will take care of any popularity the Golden Dawn might accrue.

Except, of course, it's not working.  Because the Golden Dawn are thriving off the chaos they are creating through their actions, creating a self-sustaining loop of insecurity and violence which feeds into their political ambitions while giving their group greater cohesion and paramilitary experience.

Unlike other "Eurofascist" parties, the Greek fascists are old school.  It's jackboots on the streets and the physical elimination of enemies.  And with the EU pushing for more and more cuts, because it believes the demented idea that austerity cannot fail (it can only be failed), the Greek state is going to continue to fall apart and rely on paramilitary groups to maintain order. 
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Juana on October 01, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
Is their popularity limited to Athens proper or does the rest of the country feel largely the same way?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
Any chance of this spreading? What would the consequences of a fascist greece be?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Phox on October 01, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
Oh Christ.  :kingmeh:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 01, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
The Golden Dawn came fifth in the last elections, but according to current polls, they are in third place.  I believe their organizational and membership base is chiefly located in Thessaloniki.  In addition to being Greece's second largest city, it is also a hub for Greek foreign trade, immigration and foreign students.  However, they don't seem to have the same institutional arrangement with the police there as they do in Athens.

The consequences of a fascist Greece would be...well, probably civil war.  Fascists have taken over Greece twice before, and each time they were defied by military means.  A fascist Greece would also likely pull out of the Eurozone, as the Golden Dawn reject austerity plans as much as any Greek party (not to mention the open borders the EU insists upon).  And god only knows what the consequence of that would be.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Phox on October 01, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
Cain, do you know of any similar parties elsewhere that might be able to gain ground in the future, or does this seem to be a phenomenon isolated to Greece (so far, anyway)? 
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 01, 2012, 09:53:02 PM
Most Eurofascist parties are not as violent as the Golden Dawn, and thankfully the economic crisis is not as bad in other countries as it is in Greece right now.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 01, 2012, 09:57:54 PM
Wow... that's really disturbing.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Faust on October 01, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

The country as a whole feels fucked over by corrupt politicians and the rest of the EU at large. Maybe it's naive of me to a make a comparison between the reparations of Germany leading in to world war II and the austerity of the EU IMF but it seems to have a lot in common.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Elder Iptuous on October 01, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
that's what i've been thinking.  it seems like a national 'shaming' is not such a great idea, and that's what appears to be going on.

who's the personality focus in the GD, Cain? Does Michaloliakos  get them all worked up?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 03:53:36 AM
I am excited by this. Putin is not doing shit toward a new Cold War and Islamic Terror is so last decade. A fascist party with a name like that is some old school European shit that I've never really gotten to see live.

Bring on the lulz  :horrormirth:

Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.

Unless you're a historian.

Twid,
as of right now, still a historian in training, even though that's going to change.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 04:54:50 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.

Unless you're a historian.

Twid,
as of right now, still a historian in training, even though that's going to change.

We've been falling for personality cults since at least the Gracchi.  IMO it's part of how we're programmed to be social.

And really, how many folks do you know that seriously learn from History?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 05:04:52 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Unless you're a historian.

You'd think, right? Franco died in '75, and in broad historical terms that was basically just a few years ago, yet suddenly: amnesia!

"Musso who? Sorry, I'm not familiar with him. Anyway, as I was saying, we all get matching boots and head down to where those gypsies congregate..."

I guess Greeks don't like spoilers.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 04:54:50 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.

Unless you're a historian.

Twid,
as of right now, still a historian in training, even though that's going to change.

We've been falling for personality cults since at least the Gracchi.  IMO it's part of how we're programmed to be social.

And really, how many folks do you know that seriously learn from History?

I'm a history major for a reason- it's a point of personal interest. So a good portion of my friends are also interested in it. So, my perception is that people learn from history if they're actually interested in it (In other words
Quotehow many folks do you know that seriously learn from History?
answer is probably an outlier). Problem is, if they're interested in it, they usually just have to live with, "oh boy. I've seen this horror movie before."

And personality cults go way before the Gracchi brothers. I'd say it started with Sargon, but truth be told, it probably happened way way before that, we just don't have any documents to attest to Grug the Godlike.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:55:38 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 05:04:52 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
Unless you're a historian.

You'd think, right? Franco died in '75, and in broad historical terms that was basically just a few years ago, yet suddenly: amnesia!

"Musso who? Sorry, I'm not familiar with him. Anyway, as I was saying, we all get matching boots and head down to where those gypsies congregate..."

I guess Greeks don't like spoilers.

I think part of the problem is that not only do a lot of people not even know that Franco existed (at least if they are younger than 50), but that Hitler kinda raised the bar really high for Fucked-Upness. It's the whole sort of thing like, "Yeah Mussolini was a dictator but he made the trains run on time." "Yeah, and he also was allied with Hitler and had joint military operations with the Third Reich and had the same sort of thugocracy that the SS and SA had in Germany" "What are you talking about?" " :x"
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 06:07:48 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
And personality cults go way before the Gracchi brothers. I'd say it started with Sargon, but truth be told, it probably happened way way before that, we just don't have any documents to attest to Grug the Godlike.


Let 'Em All Go To Hell Except Cave 76.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 06:14:06 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
I'd say it started with Sargon, but truth be told, it probably happened way way before that, we just don't have any documents to attest to Grug the Godlike.

I would wager most it's most definitely older, way older.

I think many of the "myths" we know were based on real people, Gilgamesh being the best example of the hazy line (and I'm not even sure who was a god and who was just a pharaoh in Egypt). I would not be surprised if Achilles, Herakles, Romulus, Finn McCool, and a whole host of other people were real.

Without science, I image a genetic freak like Michael Phelps would look like a demigod.

I also don't think our psychology has changed much in 10000 years.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 06:20:32 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 06:14:06 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
I'd say it started with Sargon, but truth be told, it probably happened way way before that, we just don't have any documents to attest to Grug the Godlike.

I would wager most it's most definitely older, way older.

I think many of the "myths" we know were based on real people, Gilgamesh being the best example of the hazy line (and I'm not even sure who was a god and who was just a pharaoh in Egypt). I would not be surprised if Achilles, Herakles, Romulus, Finn McCoolFionn mac Cumhail, and a whole host of other people were real.

Without science, I image a genetic freak like Michael Phelps would look like a demigod.

I also don't think our psychology has changed much in 10000 years.

Nah, we're still at the root a pack of monkeys. It's just that we're monkeys that can split the atom, weaponize it, and shoot it all from space.

This is part of the reason I am in favor of planetary confederation.

Twid,
also a bit anal when it comes to anglicizing Irish. (IOW, I disapprove of it entirely)
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 06:32:45 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 06:20:32 AM
Nah, we're still at the root a pack of monkeys. It's just that we're monkeys that can split the atom, weaponize it, and shoot it all from space.

This is part of the reason I am in favor of planetary confederation.

Agree with the first bit, not sure how it leads to the second bit.

And fuck all that bean sidhe bullshit. I spell like I talk, mu fuka!
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 02, 2012, 06:39:25 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 06:14:06 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 05:50:39 AM
I'd say it started with Sargon, but truth be told, it probably happened way way before that, we just don't have any documents to attest to Grug the Godlike.

I would wager most it's most definitely older, way older.

I think many of the "myths" we know were based on real people, Gilgamesh being the best example of the hazy line (and I'm not even sure who was a god and who was just a pharaoh in Egypt). I would not be surprised if Achilles, Herakles, Romulus, Finn McCool, and a whole host of other people were real.

Without science, I image a genetic freak like Michael Phelps would look like a demigod.

I also don't think our psychology has changed much in 10000 years.

Herodotus tells a story of the "true Hercules". He also talks about phoenixes though so make of that what you will.

Boing boing has a link to a book about Golden Dawn today. It's called Discordia.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 06:42:11 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on October 02, 2012, 06:32:45 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 06:20:32 AM
Nah, we're still at the root a pack of monkeys. It's just that we're monkeys that can split the atom, weaponize it, and shoot it all from space.

This is part of the reason I am in favor of planetary confederation.

Agree with the first bit, not sure how it leads to the second bit.

And fuck all that bean sidhe bullshit. I spell like I talk, mu fuka!

It leads to the second bit because if we have planetary government, there is no reason for splitting atoms, except for peaceful purposes.

Agus, pog mo thoin, a mo chara, agus scriobh "Fionn mac Cumhail" as Gaeilge. Is ainm as Gaeilge. Ni ainm as Bearla.

Twid,
Also hates the spelling Finn McCool because it sounds like a cheesy cartoon character with a leather jacket and a brill-creem hairdo.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 02, 2012, 10:29:05 AM
You might want to look into Greece's own fascist history.

Not only during WWII, where of course the Greek government was deposed and fascist sympathizers put in power by the German Army, but afterwards.  The Greek Civil War, while supposedly between "royalists" and "communists" was more about "former fascist elements versus former partisan elements" (same in Italy, though that was less civil war and more terrorism).

Equally, the rule of the Colonels was quasi-fascist in nature.  It was aimed at saving the country from "anarcho-communists" by installing a military dictatorship which used pretty brutal torture and mass arrests to stay in power.  Also heavy doses of nationalism and Greek Orthodoxy.  There were links going back right to the original "Hellenic Raiding Group" from the Civil War to the junta.

Given the junta ended 42 years ago, people who were junior officers then are highly ranked or recently retired officers now.  And, hell, November 17's campaign against those they saw as complicit in the crimes of the junta kept on going right up to 2002.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Faust on October 02, 2012, 10:47:09 AM
My mother was arrested back in the early eighties because she dated a "Suspected communist". She was released when my grandmother  called them up and brow beat them over the phone until they released her.

It's something I haven't looked at too much, my Greek history. The country never really left the military mentality behind, my relatives were horrified when I refused to do my army service. For such a beautiful place it has some fucked up politics.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Dildo Argentino on October 02, 2012, 11:25:38 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 01, 2012, 09:53:02 PM
Most Eurofascist parties are not as violent as the Golden Dawn, and thankfully the economic crisis is not as bad in other countries as it is in Greece right now.

I fully agree that the crisis is worst in Greece (within the EU). However, Hungary's "Jobbik" (http://jobbik.com/ (http://jobbik.com/)) is a fascist party, which has currently 11 percent of parliamentary seats. These members have reintroduced openly antisemitic and anti-roma talk to parliament and are openly in support of various illegal paramilitary groups who, under the guise of helping with keeping law and order in places where the police fails to do, terrorise the people they disapprove of: mostly the Roma, but also jews, non-whites and gay people.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.

Precisely.  Dictators don't just show up one day.  They are advertised for, by a population that is either unwilling or unable to handle the complexities of society.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2012, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 02, 2012, 06:20:32 AM

This is part of the reason I am in favor of planetary confederation.

Twid,
also a bit anal when it comes to anglicizing Irish. (IOW, I disapprove of it entirely)

I love those two sentences together.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 04, 2012, 08:55:36 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 01, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
I dont understand the appeal of fascism especially where if you ignore the fact that fascism is inherently xenophobic violent and about as unfree as you can get its a really inefficient system of government headed by one guy who is invariably paranoid.

When you've been fucked over by nameless bureaucrats and faceless politicians, the urge to turn everything over to one guy can sometimes seem sane.

Precisely.  Dictators don't just show up one day.  They are advertised for, by a population that is either unwilling or unable to handle the complexities of society.

This is the correct Fascist Motorcycle (the motorcycle was built by a corporation operating under the orders of the government).
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: minuspace on October 04, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Mfl.jpg)
Partito Socialista Nazionale:  currently a party in Italy's Gov.   :kingmeh:

Then, for an historic misappropriation...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/1ermai.gif.gif)

Re-prostituted by currently active neo/post-fascist party Forza Nuova:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Celtic-style_crossed_circle.svg)
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 04, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
To be honest, the fascists in the Christian Democrats (now the "People of Freedom" party of Silvio Berlusconi)  are more worrying than most of the Italian fascist groups who call themselves fascist.  The major Italian parties who call themselves fascist could be more typified as "post-fascist", and while still worrying in certain ways, are more or less resigned to the role of defending the Italian state within a democratic-liberal framework and on cultural grounds.  Hell, they've even repudiated biological racism and anti-Semitism.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 04, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Every time I read this thread title I have a vision of the reanimated corpse of Crowley, fucking Gerald Gardiner up the ass in the middle of the Acropolis
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Don Coyote on October 04, 2012, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 04, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Every time I read this thread title I have a vision of the reanimated corpse of Crowley, fucking Gerald Gardiner up the ass in the middle of the Acropolis

CANNOT NOT UNSEE
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on October 04, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 04, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Every time I read this thread title I have a vision of the reanimated corpse of Crowley, fucking Gerald Gardiner up the ass in the middle of the Acropolis

:lulz:

THE GREAT WORK!!
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: minuspace on October 05, 2012, 04:34:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 04, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
To be honest, the fascists in the Christian Democrats (now the "People of Freedom" party of Silvio Berlusconi)  are more worrying than most of the Italian fascist groups who call themselves fascist.  The major Italian parties who call themselves fascist could be more typified as "post-fascist", and while still worrying in certain ways, are more or less resigned to the role of defending the Italian state within a democratic-liberal framework and on cultural grounds.  Hell, they've even repudiated biological racism and anti-Semitism.
Use of the Celtic cross as a symbol of political organization was sanctioned, primarily, by direct support of the Christian-democrat Forza Nuova, despite (or because of) it's direct association with the swastika and inciting  anti-Semitic violence.  La Democrazia Cristiana essentially associated itself with the symbol to protect and absorb the the lower-level organizers and agents of violence that operated under the symbol - covering the pernicious elements with it's greater mantle.  Overtly they do not condone the violence, but they support it.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 05, 2012, 06:35:57 AM
The the case of the Lega Nord, I'll concede they are certainly more close to the Christian Democrat fascist faction than anyone else in Italian politics. However, even there, the ideology they are pushing is so inherently contradictory, I'm hesistant to give it any label beyond "regionalist". 

It's certainly xenophobic and culturally conservative.  Yet at the same time, cities under Lega Nord mayors have shown better efforts at social intergration of immigrant populations than any other, and the Lega Nord seem to have no particular racial issues - the first black Italian mayor belonged to their party.

There are powerful libertarian, liberal and socialist factions within the party too, which would not be the case if it was a purely fascist outfit.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: minuspace on October 05, 2012, 06:46:07 AM
True, this guy Bossi is the stuff nightmares are made of   :lulz:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2vua2t6H-5o/S648nr-Dk2I/AAAAAAAADDI/VwikuPOAwzQ/s1600/LEGA+NORD+BOSSI,+Umberto+Leader+02.jpg)
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on October 13, 2012, 12:13:09 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/12/greece-fascists-beating-people-police

QuoteThe timing is nothing if not ironic. On the day the EU has been awarded the Nobel peace prize, we watch as Europe sits idly by and lets fascism brew once again – this time in Greece. If a sharp turn towards religious fundamentalism and fascism is to be avoided, Europe needs to act now.

On Thursday night the Athens premiere of Terrence McNally's play, Corpus Christi, was cancelled following protests by members of the far-right party Golden Dawn (including some MPs) and religious groups.

The protest had a clearly homophobic agenda. Manolis V, a journalist, was attacked by protesters while the police apparently did nothing: "The police is next to us. I shout 'They're beating me, aren't you going to do something?'," he wrote on Twitter. "I move away so I can look on from distance. A well-known Golden Dawn MP follows me. He punches me twice in the face and knocks me to the ground. While on the ground, I lose my glasses. The Golden Dawn MP kicks me. The police are just two steps away but turn their back."

The spectacle of fascists physically attacking people whose moral agenda they disapprove of has become routine in today's Greece. What should come as more of a shock is the tacit approval of the police.

When four protesters were arrested, the Golden Dawn MP Christos Pappas boarded the police bus in which they were held, and released one of the prisoners. From the video depicting the incident, we can see that no officer tried to stop him.

Golden Dawn know that the police are on their side, and so do those they attack. Manolis says he is afraid to go to the police and file a lawsuit, because he doesn't want them to have his name and address on record.

The police were not so slow to react two weeks ago when they arrested for blasphemy the man behind the satirical Facebook page of Geron Pastitsios after a question submitted in parliament by a Golden Dawn MP. Nor were they slow to react when anti-fascists clashed with Golden Dawn supporters in Amerikis square and 15 were arrested, and allegedly tortured, last week. To add insult to injury, after announcing that they are conducting an investigation into a "Golden Dawn MP", the police refused to name him, despite having no problem naming teenagers who were preemptively arrested before a demonstration three weeks ago.

The Greek Orthodox church, its huge wealth unscathed by the crisis, is in no rush to condemn its clerics for siding, condoning, instigating and participating in acts of violence and disrespect against immigrants, homosexuals and people who challenge their view of what being Greek and Orthodox entails.

Greece is being held hostage by a police force that increasingly appears beyond state control, and which has long forsaken its role of protecting citizens from the thugs they now side with, and by a government which relishes the distraction the Golden Dawn provides from the cuts and tax hikes. The government's unwillingness to revoke parliamentary privileges from those Golden Dawn MPs who participate in or condone violent acts, and to speed up processes to have them prosecuted and condemned, demonstrates this.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Don Coyote on October 13, 2012, 01:11:24 PM
Well you see, if only Greece would knuckle down and really austerity everything would be fine and democratic.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: minuspace on December 14, 2012, 09:35:52 AM
"...tomorrow we will run faster, stretch our arms out further
And one fine morning, so we be gone
Boats against the current, born back ceaselessly
Into the past"
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: McMegaDeff on December 17, 2012, 06:17:59 AM
The Golden Dawn have a few seats in their parliament this year, I remember hearing on the news...I'm all for it.

yup.

Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: McMegaDeff on December 17, 2012, 06:20:44 AM
Golden Dawn being like a more mystical kind of Freemasonry or Rosicrucianism...I say Hzza! on their return to prominence.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Pæs on December 17, 2012, 09:16:11 AM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on December 17, 2012, 06:20:44 AM
Golden Dawn being like a more mystical kind of Freemasonry or Rosicrucianism...I say Hzza! on their return to prominence.
wut
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Patron Saint on December 17, 2012, 09:21:05 AM
Probably a google fail.

Golden Dawn also refers to Warhammer 40k and some bullshit that looks like it crawled out of the DaVinci Code that is synonymous with Illuminatti.

For the record, Golden Dawn referred to herein is roughly spouted about here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: McMegaDeff on December 18, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
No. The Golden Dawn used to be way more prominent and were on the level of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.

They're Major, major.

Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 18, 2012, 07:19:37 AM
Every word that tumbles from your keyboard reduces the average intellectual worth of the Internet.

Consider what an accomplishment that is.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: McMegaDeff on December 18, 2012, 07:29:16 AM
you're not
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Don Coyote on December 18, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
So, this jackass doesn't know what context is? :lulz:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Not only that, he seems to think the "report this post" function is a tool to express his butthurt.

Apparently, Cainad, you are "mean".
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Don Coyote on December 18, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
that's so precious
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Yeah.  I'm leaving that moderator report open, just so the rest of the team can get a good chuckle out of it as well.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Faust on December 18, 2012, 10:54:43 AM
Rest assured McMegadeath that we have dealt with this manner accordingly.

Cainad was dragged out of his home in the night and is now buried behind the coal sheds. A PD civil servant Representative has now been assigned to his account who will hopefully be more to your liking.
Thank you for your vigilance citizen.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 18, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Yeah.  I'm leaving that moderator report open, just so the rest of the team can get a good chuckle out of it as well.

Sorry.  I was laughing so hard I closed it.   :sad:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 18, 2012, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on December 17, 2012, 06:17:59 AM
The Golden Dawn have a few seats in their parliament this year, I remember hearing on the news...I'm all for it.

yup.

Fine little Nazi you are, aren't you?   :lulz:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 18, 2012, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Not only that, he seems to think the "report this post" function is a tool to express his butthurt.

Apparently, Cainad, you are "mean".

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Please. Really?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 18, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: hølist on December 18, 2012, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Not only that, he seems to think the "report this post" function is a tool to express his butthurt.

Apparently, Cainad, you are "mean".

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Please. Really?

For real.

Shark has been jumped.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 18, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
Now Nigel has reported me for laughing my way into a mistake.

MEA CULPA, YOU SPAGS!  THIS IS HARD WORK!  STOP BEING SO FUCKING MEAN!
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on December 18, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 18, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Not only that, he seems to think the "report this post" function is a tool to express his butthurt.

Apparently, Cainad, you are "mean".

Oh no! :sad: My shame is without bounds.


Quote from: Faust on December 18, 2012, 10:54:43 AM
Rest assured McMegadeath that we have dealt with this manner accordingly.

Cainad was dragged out of his home in the night and is now buried behind the coal sheds. A PD civil servant Representative has now been assigned to his account who will hopefully be more to your liking.
Thank you for your vigilance citizen.

Hello and good afternoons, to the PDcom community! For a Mr. 'McMegaDeff', we are please to extend great apology; thank you.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 18, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 18, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
Now Nigel has reported me for laughing my way into a mistake.

MEA CULPA, YOU SPAGS!  THIS IS HARD WORK!  STOP BEING SO FUCKING MEAN!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

YOU ARE A BIG MEAN MEANYPANTS

YOU AND CAINAD. MEANYPANTSES.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Pæs on December 18, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on December 18, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
No. The Golden Dawn used to be way more prominent and were on the level of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.
OH, YOU'RE AN EXPERT ON SECRET SOCIETIES?
(http://www.periscopepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/WillyWonka-480x345.jpg)
TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE GOLDEN DAWN

AND HOW YOUR BROTHER OR WHATEVER IS AN ILLUMINATUS
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Pæs on December 18, 2012, 10:14:11 PM
Paes,

Clearly wants to be reported.
Doesn't afraid.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Telarus on December 23, 2012, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: McMegaDeff on December 18, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
No. The Golden Dawn used to be way more prominent and were on the level of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

G.D.1 =/= G.D.2
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on January 17, 2013, 01:05:08 PM
From a month ago, (I've had sporadic access to my feeds)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/17/syriza-attack-on-mp

QuoteGreek politicians have denounced an attack on a prominent leftist MP amid mounting fears of growing extremist violence in the country.

With the main opposition group, Syriza, going so far as to describe the assault on its deputy Dimitris Stratoulis as a "brutal assassination attempt", Athens' tripartite governing coalition moved swiftly to condemn the incident. "Any kind of attack and threat is unacceptable in our democracy," the government spokesman, Simos Kedikoglou, said. "Violence has no place in our culture."

Stratoulis was set upon by three men in their 30s as he attended a football match with his son at the Olympic stadium in Athens on Sunday night. Recognising him during the half-time break, the assailants are reported to have said "now we are going to kill you" before claiming they were members of the far-right group Golden Dawn and kicking and punching the politician in the head.

Golden Dawn vehemently denied it was behind the assault and launched legal action against Stratoulis for referring to the organisation as a "gang of criminals". The ultra-nationalists, who have become Greece's fastest-growing party on the back of anti-austerity sentiment, have decried "the left-wing politicians who foment violence".


"[They] should stop using the name of Golden Dawn," the party said in a statement.

With social tensions spiralling amid record levels of unemployment and poverty, the incident has highlighted concern over the growing friction between left and right as the debt-stricken nation navigates its worst crisis in modern times.

Golden Dawn, whose party logo has been compared to the swastika and whose rhetoric is unabashedly xenophobic, has been linked to a dramatic rise in racist attacks across Greece. Clashes between the extremists and anti-establishment leftists have also proliferated with commentators raising the alarm over a potential civil war.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on February 12, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
And for those who doubted (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/05/fears-germany-golden-dawn-greece) the Golden Dawn's Nazi credentials:

QuoteGerman and Greek rightwing extremists have been forging close contacts in Germany in an attempt to strengthen their power base in Europe, according to German officials.

Members of the Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn are believed to have set up a cell in the southern German city of Nuremberg with the aim of recruiting young Greeks who have flocked to the country in search of work.

Greek community leaders in Germany have condemned the arrival of the party, also known as Chrysi Avgi, and called on authorities to clamp down on a group that they said had shown its readiness to use violence in Greece and could attempt to do the same in Germany.

Golden Dawn, which has close to 20 seats in the Greek parliament, has described the move on its website as the "answer of expat Greeks to the dirty hippies and the regime of democratic dictatorship in our homeland".

There are all kinds of delicious ironies in this, not to mention it was utterly predictable.

Will this cause Germany to rethink it's policy towards Greece?  Don't count on it.  If anything, they'll probably double down on them.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Dalek on February 17, 2013, 02:01:35 PM
So kabalistic neo-nazis are taking over Greece, or this is another golden dawn?  :?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on February 17, 2013, 02:03:46 PM
This is indeed another Golden Dawn.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on February 18, 2013, 09:42:21 AM
Just seen this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21489779
About halfway through:
Quote"No-one doubts any longer that northern Greece is a source of mineral wealth, with a total wealth in metals exceeding 20bn euros (£17bn)," Deputy Energy and Environment Minister Asimakis Papageorgiou said in a recent parliamentary debate on mining operations in Halkidiki.

"We can no longer accept this being left unexploited or barely exploited."

Cain, would this have anything to do with Germany/EU putting the thumbscrews on?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on February 18, 2013, 09:49:11 AM
Possibly, I have no idea of the full extent of Greek mineral worth.  Driving down the costs of extraction may be a nice bonus, though it's worth noting that Greece's largest imports come via Germany, normally bought with German loans.  The weaker Greece becomes financially, the more dependent it is on Germany, and that opens all kind of possibilities.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on March 10, 2013, 10:24:22 AM
Charming (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greeces-neofascists-are-on-the-rise-and-now-theyre-going-into-schools-how-golden-dawn-is-nurturing-the-next-generation-8477997.html):

QuoteOn a recent Thursday night, seven teenage boys in the central Greek city of Larissa decided to have what they described as "fun". Armed with rocks and wooden batons, the group of 15-year-olds attacked the shop of a Pakistani resident. His son was treated for head injuries.

Attacks by children are rare, but there are fears that they are on the rise as a harsh anti-immigrant rhetoric with undercurrents of violence takes root in the malleable minds of patriotic youths as they watch their country's sovereignty being eroded by foreign creditors.

The potential to tap into this dissatisfaction and win over Greece's future voters has not been lost on the controversial Golden Dawn party: an investigation by The Independent found the neo-fascist party gaining ground among the country's youth, aggressively spreading their anti-immigrant, far-right message through social media, the internet, and youth clubs.

The vigilante, truculent and anti-establishment features of Golden Dawn offer a seductive alternative to the radical left or anarchist movements that have traditionally appealed to Greece's teenagers. Over 50 teachers, parents and teenage students from schools across Athens interviewed by The Independent agree that the party is slowly becoming fashionable, when three years ago it was barely known.

"It's the feature of vitality: a need to show they're strong, young and fresh and are creating something new: be it a new party, a new country," explains Vassiliki Georgiadou, professor at Panteion University and an expert of far-Right wing radicalism who has studied Golden Dawn for years. "They discard the label of Nazism and instead play up the nationalist card. They use ancient Greek history as a camouflage to hide their true identity: that they're fans of Hitler, anti-Semitism."
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on March 28, 2013, 01:02:35 PM
Sappho Xenakis (http://www.opendemocracy.net/sappho-xenakis/violent-extremism-in-greece-focusing-on-far-right), via OpenDemocracy:

QuotePerhaps the most challenging domestic security issue facing Greece today is the presence and emboldening of violent far-right militias and gangs. Incidents of far-right violence in Greece saw a steady ascent in the 2000s, overwhelmingly targeting immigrants but also leftists and anarchists. By 2009, far-right platoons of thirty to forty men dressed in black and armed with sticks had established a regular presence patrolling immigrant-dense neighbourhoods of Athens, unchallenged by the police, intimidating local shopkeepers and residents and engaging in violent assaults against immigrants and their property. Other attacks on immigrants and their property (from the fire-bombings of places of residence and worship to beatings and stabbings), and violent assaults against leftists and anarchists, have been carried out by smaller groups of vigilantes, who are often also reportedly black-clad.

Since 2009, Greece has seen what NGOs have characterised as the steepest ascent in racist violence in Europe. Within only the first six months of 2011, NGOs in Athens claimed to have treated at least 500 victims of racist attacks, and over 200 racist attacks were additionally recorded between October 2011 and December 2012 by a network of NGOs headed by the UNHCR. In late 2012, the UNHCR characterised the level of racist violence as 'alarming', whilst the US Embassy in Athens went so far as to warn US citizens residing in or travelling to Greece of a heightened risk of attack for those whose complexion might lead them to be perceived as foreign migrants.

Behind the platoons and the smaller groups carrying out far-right attacks is alleged to be the political party Chrysi Avyi ('Golden Dawn'), an extreme nationalist movement that entered parliament for the first time in 2012, with 6.9 percent of the vote and eighteen MPs. The party, whose members dress in black, uses language and imagery redolent of Nazism, and is openly sceptical about parliamentary democracy, as well as being vocally racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, and virulently opposed to those on the left of the political spectrum.

QuoteWhether in terms of organised far-right violence as such, or racist violence in particular, the Greek state has long failed to monitor, record, prosecute, effectively punish perpetrators and appropriately compensate victims. For a full thirty years, for example, not a single published legal judgment applied Law 972/1979, which provides for 'the punishment of acts or conducts aimed at racial discrimination' (the first known application of the law in criminal courts took place in 2010). It was only following sustained pressure by NGOs and the media over the course of 2012, resulting in international publicity spotlighting far-right violence, that the Greek state finally announced in January 2013 the appointment of a special prosecutor to address racist crimes and the establishment of police units to monitor racist violence.

QuoteDespite the established presence of violent far-right groups repeatedly associated with brutal attacks on Greeks and foreigners in the country, the Greek state does not acknowledge the existence of violent far-right organisations in its monitoring of political violence. Unlike many of its European counterparts, for example, Greece has not notified EUROPOL of attacks by extremist far-right groups on its territory.

I have, of course, long maintained that the Golden Dawn are getting tacit state support, the idea being that the violence of their black-clad shocktroopers will bolster the state against the left - both the organised political left of the likes of Syzria, and the more disorganised anarchist groups.  However, this suggests the relationships is more than one born of current circumstances, and is indeed structural in the Greek state - no doubt arising from the rule of the Colonels, though possibly dating back to the Greek Civil War and the Hellenic Raiding Group.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on June 02, 2013, 01:38:36 PM
The state of play in Greece, continued (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/01/greece-golden-dawn-violence-eu-crisis):

QuoteAs parliament prepares to debate how best to apply legislation that will curb the party, – measures that have unexpectedly electrified the political scene – the far right is flourishing in the knowledge that, in a country reeling from the twin ills of austerity and despair, it is they who are in the ascendant. Since elections last year, Golden Dawn's appeal has almost doubled, with successive polls showing support of between 11% and 12% for the neo-fascists. Privately pollsters acknowledge that, as Greece's third-strongest and fastest-growing political force, the group could garner as much as 15% of support in local elections next year.

"It is wrong to believe that they are an ephemeral phenomenon," said Professor Dimitris Kerides, who teaches political science at Athens' Panteion University. "They are not only a product of this country's economic crisis. There is something sick in Greek society that Golden Dawn expresses," he added, referring to the rise in "Greek-only" blood banks and food rallies organised by the extremists. "They are here to stay. And as of 2014 they are going to be everywhere, with access to state resources because, for sure, they will win seats in municipal elections and, in some towns, place mayors."

Emboldened by success, the neo-Nazis have become ever more visible. Across Greece, party branches have been opened at a record pace, with pupils actively recruited in schools. In villages, black-clad supporters proudly sporting the party's insignia have proliferated, and in the southern Peloponnese, traditionally a stronghold of the right, Golden Dawn graffiti are scrawled over the roads and even rocks that dot the landscape of seaside resorts and archaeological sites.

Racially motivated violence has soared to such a degree that European officials blasted Greece for failing to take adequate action. Nils Muižnieks, the European commissioner for human rights, recently felt moved to point out that democracy was at risk in the birthplace of democracy because of "the upsurge in hate crime and a weak state response". It was vital, he said, that domestic and international anti-racism laws were enforced to crack down on violence that had been "linked to members or supporters, including parliamentarians, of the neo-Nazi political party Golden Dawn".

The Greek police and justice systems – both of which have been accused of colluding with the extremists – also had to be reformed, he said.

Also interesting

QuoteThe lack of public debate has added to the mystique of an organisation whose workings remain opaque. The local media appears to have missed the story of Golden Dawn. To this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on June 02, 2013, 03:23:07 PM
QuoteTo this day, the party's financial backers and advisers remain shrouded in secrecy.

Cain, that bit in particular does interest me. Would you be expecting to see well known names if/when the reveal comes? Can I tempt speculation? I'm pretty sure that whatever names are involved will be crackpot conspiracy gold. It's a good rule of thumb that "secret backers" stinks, just trying wondering how bad it's likely to be I guess.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: GrannySmith on June 02, 2013, 03:24:03 PM
Of course golden dawn is being subsidised heavily from somewhere, they were for a long time just a group of ridiculous socially outcast thugs, here's some funny pics:

an mp (then) candidate with another member:

(http://tvxs.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_image/article/2013/14/124556-karefyllakis-vlamakis-beach.jpg)


if one says 'surely that's not a nazi salute, maybe they're just waiving to the boats', here's a photo with their führer wannabe, michaloliakos in the front:

(http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20120331/low/assets_LARGE_t_420_54047758.JPG)

if another little nazi fucker comes around and says "but they say that's 'apollo's salute' nothing to do with hitler, then heres one from their offices in the late 80s/early 90s:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-50K6yTItnP4/T3tQ26B7WDI/AAAAAAAAAHA/nJwcqcw0918/s1600/synedrio2.jpg)


Needless to say that these thugs are so incredibly stupid, I doubt they have any connection with occult groups in any way - i'm convinced that most of them, including the mps have never read a book in their life and are known from not being able to properly spell greek (ha, ha. how ironic :/

Of course history has shown that one should not underestimate nazis, and it is the case in greece now that most people look around to their aquaintances and wonder "who's the nazi amongst them? 10% means every ten people in the street, one of them should be a nazi. WTF"

I really don't understand how this is happening. Our grandmothers still remember being terrorized by nazi soldiers. Yet our grandmothers are the ones that vote for these idiots the most. WHAT THE FUCK???  :aaa: :aaa: :aaa: :aaa: :aaa:(probably i should mention here that i was born, raised and lived more than half my life (so far) in greece.)
of course, it's rooted in the crisis. When it hit in 2010, GD was slowly and quietly gaining power, helped by the unemployment going extreme and since xenophobia is not uncommon in greece :( but then before the last elections they got huge publicity from the media (in the beginning in the "look at these idiots here! omfg what idiots! no don't look at the two main parties and how they're selling out, bending down, mouth lock in imf and eu asses and hold on tight.
And then gd started giving out baskets with food and teddybears to greeks and escorting little old ladies on their way to get their pension so that "no immigrant scum will attack you". And they were gaining so support.
I voted for the first and last time in my life on those elections, just so that they don't get such a big percent. 6%. SIX FUCKING PERCENT  :eek:  :eek:  :eek:
BAHH, this is so disturbing to me, I can't even finish this post properly.


Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on June 02, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Talk about pictures being worth 1000 words.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of "It's not a Nazi salute it was X"?
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on June 02, 2013, 03:46:06 PM
What we know of the Golden Dawn, their financial backing comes from fascist movements abroad in Europe and Russia, and likely their founder, Nikos Michaloliakos, gained financially from the rule of the Colonels - who typically used state loans to enrich key supporters.

According to one source:

QuoteBoth he and his colleague from Kathimerini newspaper Thassos Teloglou put forward the funding of Golden Dawn. The investigative journalist said that he has collected from different sources data on the funding of the xenophobes. "Golden Dawn was financially supported by parties that belong to the so-called constitutional arc. They helped it in previous election races by printing their election materials in order to break the rise of LAOS party. But in 2012, these funds were not sufficient. I have data showing that before the elections in May last year, they received cash from shipping tycoons, developers, lawyers and may be a bank," he said.

Wherever it is coming from, the sums of money are not insignificant, since the Golden Dawn claims to give up most of their state-backed pay for their representatives to engage in their "feed the ethnic Greeks" programs.  They've also been financially aiding troubled football clubs.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: EK WAFFLR on June 02, 2013, 04:33:32 PM
Makes me wonder how much money comes from well-to-do Swedish nazis.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Left on June 02, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 04, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Every time I read this thread title I have a vision of the reanimated corpse of Crowley, fucking Gerald Gardiner up the ass in the middle of the Acropolis

...That's both sick and very, very right...

I've never heard of these lovely people.
Scary shit.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Faust on June 03, 2013, 01:12:59 PM
How dare they commit cultural appropriation of Thelema? This reeks of privilege.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on June 03, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
 :lol:

No, because privilege means appropriation and power, which the Golden Dawn do not have, Greece being a mere playground for the Anglo-American-German-Jewish-Bilderberger-Reptilian alliance, and you're white anyway (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34549.msg1266114.html#msg1266114).
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Faust on June 03, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
you're white anyway (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34549.msg1266114.html#msg1266114).

Dammit.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Left on June 04, 2013, 08:02:34 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 03, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
:lol:

No, because privilege means appropriation and power, which the Golden Dawn do not have, Greece being a mere playground for the Anglo-American-German-Jewish-Bilderberger-Reptilian alliance, and you're white anyway (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34549.msg1266114.html#msg1266114).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: MMIX on June 26, 2013, 01:19:35 PM
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/06/05/and-then-they-came-for-the-trans-people/

and still it goes on . . . lets hope the tourists appreciate the effort
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: GrannySmith on June 26, 2013, 01:59:25 PM
this is really becoming extreme in many levels. All this reminds me all too well about something i read as a teenager, that humanity is about to go back to the middle ages. I just keep telling myself it's the dying breath of the baboon society in us and of religious oppression. When are humans finally going to grow up and come down from the fucking trees?  :sad:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/05/04/whats-going-on-in-the-internment-camps-of-greece/

Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here.

but it fucking fits.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Talk about pictures being worth 1000 words.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of "It's not a Nazi salute it was X"?

that's the EDL's favourite atm.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 26, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/05/04/whats-going-on-in-the-internment-camps-of-greece/

Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here.

but it fucking fits.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Talk about pictures being worth 1000 words.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of "It's not a Nazi salute it was X"?

that's the EDL's favourite atm.

Site seems to be down.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on June 26, 2013, 09:11:36 PM
The server does seem a bit iffy.  It worked for me after a reload, however.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on June 26, 2013, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 26, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/05/04/whats-going-on-in-the-internment-camps-of-greece/

Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here.

but it fucking fits.

Holy shit. That's actually fucking astonishing. This will end very, very badly.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 26, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 26, 2013, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 26, 2013, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 26, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
http://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/05/04/whats-going-on-in-the-internment-camps-of-greece/

Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here.

but it fucking fits.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Talk about pictures being worth 1000 words.

Incidentally, is there a list somewhere of "It's not a Nazi salute it was X"?

that's the EDL's favourite atm.

Site seems to be down.
Mhari's server can be temperamental. She's a Scottish Socialist Feminist that is an expat in Greece, and literally the only socialist feminist blog I know of. it's a good place for regular updates on the situation there.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: MMIX on June 27, 2013, 12:38:26 AM
I can hear Pastor Niemöller revolving in his grave. I think he's screaming
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on June 27, 2013, 04:52:03 PM
And should the fascists win big in Greece, that will only be the start of our problems.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: GrannySmith on June 29, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
what a nightmare in so many levels.... :aaa:
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on August 16, 2013, 02:10:32 PM
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/golden-dawn-camp-photos

QuoteThe Golden Dawn are a steel truncheon crunching the bones of the European Project. In the lifetimes of the generation who fought the Second World War, mainstream Nazis have returned to the continent. To openly read the anti-Semite blood libels The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the Greek Parliament. To suppress entire towns beneath their thumb as vigilante social "cleansers". To increasingly hold the balance of power in an increasingly unbalanced state. And, to party.

That's right, just because you spend your spare time whipping Egyptian taxi drivers with a bike chain doesn't mean you don't need to blow off a little steam every now and then. Which is how, every year, the Golden Dawn hardcore end up in Crete, having a racially-pure away-day, where they pretend to be Spartans. Spartans in Crete: a bit weird, but historical anachronism is not something they can spell, much less avoid. The basic idea is simply to have a bonding sesh, get all Judd Apatow and express their man-feelings with one another.

Just because you're a horrible fascist does not mean you're not allowed a holiday at the beach.

Monitoring the size of these gatherings year-on-year would probably allow a fairly accurate picture of how fucked Greece has become. If the economic situation stays the same I'd guess next years to be considerably larger.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
QuoteJust because you're a horrible fascist does not mean you're not allowed a holiday at the beach.

Maybe, but if your inclinations do run that way, I would suggest Brighton is perhaps not the destination for you.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Junkenstein on August 16, 2013, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: Carlos Danger on August 16, 2013, 02:19:39 PM
QuoteJust because you're a horrible fascist does not mean you're not allowed a holiday at the beach.

Maybe, but if your inclinations do run that way, I would suggest Brighton is perhaps not the destination for you.

Given my experience of Brighton, I'd advise you to avoid it regardless of your ideology.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: Triple Zero on August 19, 2013, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: Pixie on June 26, 2013, 02:23:00 PMhttp://www.2ndcouncilhouse.co.uk/blog/2013/05/04/whats-going-on-in-the-internment-camps-of-greece/

Trying not to invoke Godwin's Law here.

but it fucking fits.

Holy shit ... I only just caught up with this thread.

And Godwin's Law doesn't apply when it's actual nazis, or neo-nazis, putting people in camps like that. And this is going on right now ... I am stunned.
Title: Re: The Golden Dawn are taking over Athens
Post by: GrannySmith on August 19, 2013, 11:07:56 AM
 :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: :argh!: motherfuckingdevolutedshitbrainedsonsofbitches  :argh!: :argh!:
I'm still struggling with my rage attacks whenever i hear/read about these embarassments.
I'm not even sure if laughing at them helps any more. I assumed that they were a distraction put up by pasok and new democracy to distract the idiotic masses from what shit they're ACTUALLY doing. In the meantime I'm realising that as usual it's way more complicated than that, but the shooting pain i get in my brain when i think about them hasn't let me research it enough. I still have no idea where exactly they got so much money from**, or even who's organising them (i cannot believe that they can think far enough to get organised by themselves). In any way, nowadays they are COMPLETELY out of control, this is becoming worse as we speak and the police has totally taken their side (suprise suprise):
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/28/greek-police-send-crime-victims-to-neo-nazi-protectors/
:eek:
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :aaa: :aaa: :aaa:

Quote from: Cain on June 02, 2013, 03:46:06 PM
What we know of the Golden Dawn, their financial backing comes from fascist movements abroad in Europe and Russia, and likely their founder, Nikos Michaloliakos, gained financially from the rule of the Colonels - who typically used state loans to enrich key supporters.

According to one source:

QuoteBoth he and his colleague from Kathimerini newspaper Thassos Teloglou put forward the funding of Golden Dawn. The investigative journalist said that he has collected from different sources data on the funding of the xenophobes. "Golden Dawn was financially supported by parties that belong to the so-called constitutional arc. They helped it in previous election races by printing their election materials in order to break the rise of LAOS party. But in 2012, these funds were not sufficient. I have data showing that before the elections in May last year, they received cash from shipping tycoons, developers, lawyers and may be a bank," he said.

Wherever it is coming from, the sums of money are not insignificant, since the Golden Dawn claims to give up most of their state-backed pay for their representatives to engage in their "feed the ethnic Greeks" programs.  They've also been financially aiding troubled football clubs.

**Do you have anything more concrete on that Cain?