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Started by Jasper, October 05, 2008, 08:38:21 PM

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Kai

Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Roo on October 06, 2008, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
Weirdly, I only know this because I just had this conversation with one of my two best friends, who is a doctor of chemistry. We were actually discussing that bottled water that has extra ions added and LOLing ourselves sick over the pseudo-scientifical jargon all over the label.
Is that SmartWater?

I think that's the brand! Hilarious.

Kai, unless you are malnourished or drink too much water, you would be perfectly alright drinking distilled water, although honestly I think it tastes disgusting and no one should drink it.

I'm pretty underweight. From a health related standpoint I don't think I can afford to drink distilled water.

I've taken physiology and understand osmotic potential. I also understand the what and why of ionic nutrition in your body, that is, why you need potassium and chlorine and sodium and calcium and magnesium. Though you may be able to live off distilled water, I would hold that evolutionarily, our physiology is not optimized for it.

Of course, nor is our physiology optimized for most of modern civilization.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Roo on October 06, 2008, 02:19:34 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Roo on October 06, 2008, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
Weirdly, I only know this because I just had this conversation with one of my two best friends, who is a doctor of chemistry. We were actually discussing that bottled water that has extra ions added and LOLing ourselves sick over the pseudo-scientifical jargon all over the label.
Is that SmartWater?

I think that's the brand! Hilarious.

Kai, unless you are malnourished or drink too much water, you would be perfectly alright drinking distilled water, although honestly I think it tastes disgusting and no one should drink it.
Out of all the bottled waters, that's probably my favorite. It's the only one that doesn't leave an aftertaste, imo. But considering that it's "vapor distilled", I guess it needs the extra ions?

I love that it's "vapor distilled" because I hate all of that distilled water that's not vaporized during the distilling process! Also that the special magic "ionic charge" is some salt.

OH hahaha I just mentioned the magic water to my housemate Rowan (she is working on her chemistry masters) and it turns out that SHE MAKES FUN OF IT TOO! But we have never made fun of it together. Yay Rowan!

It does taste OK, I bought some on a road trip recently and insisted my driving partner (the other chemist I mentioned) refer to it as "Magic Water" the whole time. The salt improves the flavor and mouthfeel considerably.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Dr Goofy

To make potable you ad in some coal filter and bam... not to hard.

Kai

Quote from: Dr Goofy on October 06, 2008, 03:40:33 AM
To make potable you ad in some coal filter and bam... not to hard.

Will that kill microorganisms?
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Kai on October 06, 2008, 03:23:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Roo on October 06, 2008, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
Weirdly, I only know this because I just had this conversation with one of my two best friends, who is a doctor of chemistry. We were actually discussing that bottled water that has extra ions added and LOLing ourselves sick over the pseudo-scientifical jargon all over the label.
Is that SmartWater?

I think that's the brand! Hilarious.

Kai, unless you are malnourished or drink too much water, you would be perfectly alright drinking distilled water, although honestly I think it tastes disgusting and no one should drink it.

I'm pretty underweight. From a health related standpoint I don't think I can afford to drink distilled water.

I've taken physiology and understand osmotic potential. I also understand the what and why of ionic nutrition in your body, that is, why you need potassium and chlorine and sodium and calcium and magnesium. Though you may be able to live off distilled water, I would hold that evolutionarily, our physiology is not optimized for it.

Of course, nor is our physiology optimized for most of modern civilization.

Pre-industrial rainwater was pretty absent of minerals. Also, while I'm not arguing that your field of study has certainly armed you with an understanding of the mechanisms, the actual level of mineral leaching from drinking distilled water is exactly none if your intake of those minerals is adequate, and if it's not, you seriously need to look into that. If you're not taking in adequate minerals there is some leaching going on all the time from drinking anything, especially caffeinated beverages.

I'm certainly not an advocate of distilled water, I just think that your statements about why you should not drink it are a little dramatic. And don't try to one-up me with your biology degree because it won't work. :)

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."



Mesozoic Mister Nigel

This is what happens when you're raised by a water-quality specialist. Shit. :( I'll stop now.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Kai

Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 03:46:18 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 06, 2008, 03:23:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Roo on October 06, 2008, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 06, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
Weirdly, I only know this because I just had this conversation with one of my two best friends, who is a doctor of chemistry. We were actually discussing that bottled water that has extra ions added and LOLing ourselves sick over the pseudo-scientifical jargon all over the label.
Is that SmartWater?

I think that's the brand! Hilarious.

Kai, unless you are malnourished or drink too much water, you would be perfectly alright drinking distilled water, although honestly I think it tastes disgusting and no one should drink it.

I'm pretty underweight. From a health related standpoint I don't think I can afford to drink distilled water.

I've taken physiology and understand osmotic potential. I also understand the what and why of ionic nutrition in your body, that is, why you need potassium and chlorine and sodium and calcium and magnesium. Though you may be able to live off distilled water, I would hold that evolutionarily, our physiology is not optimized for it.

Of course, nor is our physiology optimized for most of modern civilization.

Pre-industrial rainwater was pretty absent of minerals. Also, while I'm not arguing that your field of study has certainly armed you with an understanding of the mechanisms, the actual level of mineral leaching from drinking distilled water is exactly none if your intake of those minerals is adequate, and if it's not, you seriously need to look into that. If you're not taking in adequate minerals there is some leaching going on all the time from drinking anything, especially caffeinated beverages.

I'm certainly not an advocate of distilled water, I just think that your statements about why you should not drink it are a little dramatic. And don't try to one-up me with your biology degree because it won't work. :)





Sorry. Not trying to one up you. Trying to find biological rational for consumptive habits in order to be healthy. My health, really.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Dr Goofy

Quote from: Kai on October 06, 2008, 03:42:20 AM
Quote from: Dr Goofy on October 06, 2008, 03:40:33 AM
To make potable you ad in some coal filter and bam... not to hard.

Will that kill microorganisms?

After looking that up, I found out it was rumored to but does not actually kill pathogenic micro-organisms.

Farther investigation leads me to a couple different filters, one is built with 0.2 micron ceramikx/carbon, and one with coconut shell carbon. But for the best choice they use UV.

Kai

Quote from: Dr Goofy on October 06, 2008, 04:00:31 AM
Quote from: Kai on October 06, 2008, 03:42:20 AM
Quote from: Dr Goofy on October 06, 2008, 03:40:33 AM
To make potable you ad in some coal filter and bam... not to hard.

Will that kill microorganisms?

After looking that up, I found out it was rumored to but does not actually kill pathogenic micro-organisms.

Farther investigation leads me to a couple different filters, one is built with 0.2 micron ceramikx/carbon, and one with coconut shell carbon. But for the best choice they use UV.

UV is what this dehumidifier uses.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Dr Goofy

Then the water is free of pathogenic micro-organisms and is well filtered. It is the same system they use for streams.

Kai

Quote from: Dr Goofy on October 06, 2008, 04:09:46 AM
Then the water is free of pathogenic micro-organisms and is well filtered. It is the same system they use for streams.

You mean, municipal water works/treatment for drinking water?
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Dr Goofy

IDK I did not look that up I looked up more what you could by being a farmer or a land owner. They said that would work for streams and wells so you could get a private filter for your water. It is drinkable.

Jasper

Another related invention.  "Slingshot" water filtration/generator can be powered by cow dung.

http://www.allwaterpurification.com/dean-kamen-water-purifier.html