Internment camps in Greece, wait, what?

[Junkenstein]

The striking thing for me about this, is that it's happening in Greece. A decade ago, I would never have thought of this happening there. I read this now and it's more "Wow, shit's still getting worse there".

Given how good the international community is at stopping this kind of shit, I'd bet big that it's going to get a lot worse before it looks even remotely better. Even when the rest of the country is back towards "normal" this shit will linger round for years. The facilities are built. They're providing valuable jobs to the community.

Why on Earth would the international community stop this?  They're still busy plundering.

Kind of my point, made it badly. Was just considering the UN record on sorting out, well, anything.

[Doktor Howl]

FACT:  Sheriff Joe won his last election with a margin of 12% not on the promise of an internment camp, but on the reality of one.

USA leading the way into the future once again. Also a reminder to check who owns this shit, I bet some of it is in private for-profit hands, if not all of it.

Nope.  It's public.  But the vendors that supply the jail are not.  They are, however, owned by Arpiao's children, and contracts are not put out for bid.  Obama's justice department looked into that, saw how much it smelled, and walked away pretending that nothing was wrong.

Because they're afraid of that ancient blowhard up in Tempe.  AFRAID.

[Doktor Howl]

The striking thing for me about this, is that it's happening in Greece. A decade ago, I would never have thought of this happening there. I read this now and it's more "Wow, shit's still getting worse there".

Given how good the international community is at stopping this kind of shit, I'd bet big that it's going to get a lot worse before it looks even remotely better. Even when the rest of the country is back towards "normal" this shit will linger round for years. The facilities are built. They're providing valuable jobs to the community.

Why on Earth would the international community stop this?  They're still busy plundering.

Kind of my point, made it badly. Was just considering the UN record on sorting out, well, anything.

Well, there was the Korean war, I suppose.

[Junkenstein]

Yeah, Korea's all fine now.

I knew Sheriff Joe's kids were in on it, still amazed that conflict of interest is just AOK with everyone. I was more wondering about the Greek ones and who owns them. Doubtless there will be a few corrupt government hands, I'm wondering if there's links to anyone else. G4S or the like would be likely, though the smaller the name the more likely it is that they're just getting away with whatever they can. 

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, Korea's all fine now.

I knew Sheriff Joe's kids were in on it, still amazed that conflict of interest is just AOK with everyone. I was more wondering about the Greek ones and who owns them. Doubtless there will be a few corrupt government hands, I'm wondering if there's links to anyone else. G4S or the like would be likely, though the smaller the name the more likely it is that they're just getting away with whatever they can.

It's not a "conflict of interest", it's "criminal nepotism".  And someone is going to make big coin off of rounding people up in Greece.  And "drug users"?  There's only one reason for going after them:  nobody cares, and then you have precedent.

[Junkenstein]

Because they're afraid of that ancient blowhard up in Tempe.  AFRAID.

Or, too many people in Washington and elsewhere make too much money out of the guy. There's always a suitcase of cash with shit like this. At least one, just to get it started in the first place.

[Junkenstein]

Yeah, Korea's all fine now.

I knew Sheriff Joe's kids were in on it, still amazed that conflict of interest is just AOK with everyone. I was more wondering about the Greek ones and who owns them. Doubtless there will be a few corrupt government hands, I'm wondering if there's links to anyone else. G4S or the like would be likely, though the smaller the name the more likely it is that they're just getting away with whatever they can.

It's not a "conflict of interest", it's "criminal nepotism".  And someone is going to make big coin off of rounding people up in Greece.  And "drug users"?  There's only one reason for going after them:  nobody cares, and then you have precedent.

Gladly corrected, Criminal nepotism is much more accurate. How many people do you have to round up before precedent is comfortably established? Got to be long, long past that point here, so the door is actually open to go after more.

Debtors? Wouldn't shock me. Bad economy and that, help the country in the workhouse.

[Doktor Howl]

Because they're afraid of that ancient blowhard up in Tempe.  AFRAID.

Or, too many people in Washington and elsewhere make too much money out of the guy. There's always a suitcase of cash with shit like this. At least one, just to get it started in the first place.

Nope.  All the money stays in his family.

They're afraid.  End of story.

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, Korea's all fine now.

I knew Sheriff Joe's kids were in on it, still amazed that conflict of interest is just AOK with everyone. I was more wondering about the Greek ones and who owns them. Doubtless there will be a few corrupt government hands, I'm wondering if there's links to anyone else. G4S or the like would be likely, though the smaller the name the more likely it is that they're just getting away with whatever they can.

It's not a "conflict of interest", it's "criminal nepotism".  And someone is going to make big coin off of rounding people up in Greece.  And "drug users"?  There's only one reason for going after them:  nobody cares, and then you have precedent.

Gladly corrected, Criminal nepotism is much more accurate. How many people do you have to round up before precedent is comfortably established? Got to be long, long past that point here, so the door is actually open to go after more.

Debtors? Wouldn't shock me. Bad economy and that, help the country in the workhouse.

Three subgroups ought to do it.  No shit.

[GrannySmith]

Yeah, Korea's all fine now.

I knew Sheriff Joe's kids were in on it, still amazed that conflict of interest is just AOK with everyone. I was more wondering about the Greek ones and who owns them. Doubtless there will be a few corrupt government hands, I'm wondering if there's links to anyone else. G4S or the like would be likely, though the smaller the name the more likely it is that they're just getting away with whatever they can.

It's not a "conflict of interest", it's "criminal nepotism".  And someone is going to make big coin off of rounding people up in Greece.  And "drug users"?  There's only one reason for going after them:  nobody cares, and then you have precedent.

Gladly corrected, Criminal nepotism is much more accurate. How many people do you have to round up before precedent is comfortably established? Got to be long, long past that point here, so the door is actually open to go after more.

Debtors? Wouldn't shock me. Bad economy and that, help the country in the workhouse.

Actually one can get arrested in greece for debts against the state (unless you're a bank i guess). If you put this:
http://www.express.gr/afieroma/eforia/630493oz_20120728630493.php3
into a translator, you can see somewhere in the middle:

while those who owe the State over 5,000 euros punishable by:
- Imprisonment up to 1 year for arrears from 5,001 to 10,000 euros.
- Imprisonment for at least six months due from 10,001 to 50,000 euro .
- Imprisonment of 1 year on overdue debts from 50,001 to 150,000 euros.
- Imprisonment up to 3 years on debt 150,001 or more.
At the same time the Finance Ministry work on new legislation - package for the payment of taxes or other debts to the State up to 60 monthly installments.

so apparently they're trying to stop that law (i guess most of the 300 parasites also have debts).

.to the topic, the concentration camps for immigrants have been going on for a couple of years, and it's really REALLY horrible 

in fact, with the rise of chrisi aygi (golden dawn)  and its extremely close bonds with the greek police things are getting really scary and really out of hand over there and it's no secret:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20958353
http://observers.france24.com/content/20120515-greece-locals-help-athens-police-beat-immigrant-golden-dawn-video-brutality-arrest-inquiry

[Ben Shapiro]

Fucking savages.
Maybe they'll get a check in the mail like the Japanese did.
I see Russia, and Greece are betting on who can be a bigger piece of shit.

[Junkenstein]

Fucking savages.
Maybe they'll get a check in the mail like the Japanese did.
I see Russia, and Greece are betting on who can be a bigger piece of shit.

Be fair. Pretty much every nation has horse in this race and even those at the back can still easily catch up.

The UK's "Detention Centres" are hardly luxury. Bad conditions for those deemed to be an illegal immigrant are fairly universally shitty. As has been noted, they're a soft target.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yup. Illegals are the lowest form of subhuman, according to propaganda central. Once the opinion polls tells us the population are happy to let them rot (or burn) we can see about rounding up the Muslamitants and the unemployed.

Alternatively we have the US/Gitmo model - "enemy of the state" which with a little help from operation Hunt down and execute without trial the guy with the beard, can save us on internment costs by just sticking a bullet in, wherever we find them.

Nother couple of years and we have summary executions, any time, any place, "just 'cos we felt like it"

Untouchable criminals - the whole reason government was invented in the first place.

[Junkenstein]

Highly related:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/justice-for-all-except-anarchists-in-greece

Last Friday, around 1,200 people rode through Athens on motorcycles. They started their bike rally from the downtown area of the city and ended in the southern suburbs, where 29-year-old Kostas Sakkas – an anarchist and suspected member of the Conspiracy of Fire Nuclei anarchist organisation (CFN) – is being treated in hospital. The rally was the latest in many public acts of solidarity with Sakkas, who has been on hunger strike for over a month in protest against the Greek state detaining him without trial for over two and a half years.

One of the messages being shouted during the rally was, "The state kills!" Those shouting it might not be wrong; Sakkas is now on his 35th day of hunger strike – the second hunger strike he's undertaken within a year – and is at serious risk of suffering permanent damage to his health or even dying, as his doctor Olga Kosmopoulou stated in a recent press announcement. However, it still appears that the Greek judicial system would rather have Sakkas force-fed in a hospital unit than award him a fair trial.

Looks like this guy has "Martyr" written on him. Chances for a happy ending are about as slim as he is.

The government have been widely accused of double standards here. Many have noted the case of Epaminondas Korkoneas, the policeman who killed 15-year-old anarchist schoolboy Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a murder that sparked the December 2008 riots. Although Korkoneas was eventually sentenced to life, he was temporarily released during his trial as his own pre-trial detainment limit had expired. And this was after a charge for a murder that sent an entire city into violent pandemonium – not, like Sakkas, for merely being associated with anarchism (it should also be remembered that anarchism in itself isn't illegal, even if the Greek judicial treatment is treating it as such).

[GrannySmith]

Well the story with this guy is that he and that group denied membership (which if they're members, they don't - but who knows). He was first arrested for possession of weapon and after his pre-trial detention expired he was rearrested without any charges. Or so I read. Well, I guess the whole point is that this was a blatant violation of the law for which the courts didn't even give an explanation. It gave people the feeling that courts make up the law as they go along and apply it differently for different people, as they please. Thinking about it, this is really not news for greece, courts and the police are known for this kind of behaviour...