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The Best Map

Started by LHX, January 18, 2007, 01:39:00 AM

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Bhode_Sativa

Quote from: LHX on January 18, 2007, 05:53:43 AM
be careful -- a lot of the things you are describing are the type of things that (technically speaking) could fit on to a map

for example - you could have a map that includes a function that defaults to another map under certain situations (like the example you gave about using the maps of more experienced people)

your map could also have a timing/situational/adaptational element to it

dont limit yourself

Even borrowing someone else's map (as long as I've been able to understand and internalized the ideas) makes sense to me, as it is a way to broaden my range of responses and increase my total knowledge.  In my pursuit of information whenever I find conflicting ideas, I try to find what makes the most sense to me at the time, and have *usually* no qualms about discarding the bullshit.  Not limiting myself is kind of the point.

Critically analyzing new information and actively pursuing opinions that differ from the *necessarily* limited experience base that I have is important to me, but at some point trying to keep any and all relevant information pertaining to all possible causes and effects of any potential decisions to be made becomes an inefficient chore, and I make some decisions based off of a sub*un*conscious nudge in one direction versus another (usually stuff that doesn't matter).

Trying to keep the two extremes balanced is difficult, and in most things I find myself being both ends of the spectrum at the same time.  My map seems to be folded on itself, where north and south overlap, and east and west are no longer mutually exclusive.

I have the feeling I'm not understanding the whole of what you're referring to as "The Map," but I'll run with what I got so far, until more perspective comes my way.

P3nT4gR4m

Perhaps the best answer is to draw your own map but use a pencil so you can rub bits out as and when you need to.

Not arguing the toss - just thinking out loud

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"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LMNO

IMO, the best map is the one that shows you what you need at that moment.

I think we should consider the map as similar to the "Reality Grid" of RAW; that said, it's helpful to have as many maps as you need, and use the one that fits.


For example, I have a Work Map, that shows me the things I need to guide me through the office; the pattern recognition of the work itself, the recognition of when the boss is coming by so I don't get caught on the internet, the social games of my co-workers, etc.

I also have the Punk Rock Map, which I use at band practice, and it shows me completely different things.

I feel that if you try to put it all on one map, you miss a lot.  But if you keep switching up maps, you'll see a lot more.

Cain

A map that self-corrects is also good, too.  Which is why I am wary of absolutist explanations and steer clear of dogmatic religions and ideology at all times.

LMNO

Oooh.  Yeah, self-correcting maps.

Expanding on metaphors, ITT.

LHX

Quote from: LMNO on January 18, 2007, 01:57:08 PM
Oooh.  Yeah, self-correcting maps.

Expanding on metaphors, ITT.

lets ride that pony fo sho
neat hell

Jasper

How does a map correct itself?  I thought correction took perception, open-mindedness, and willpower?

Just wondering.

Cain

A system that makes no pretence to absolutist answers about the Universe and is willing to incorporate new evidence into its understanding - for example properly applied science.

AFK

Quote from: LHX on January 18, 2007, 01:39:00 AM
The map is not the territory.

The map is never the territory.

Some maps are better than others.

What are the features of the best map?


it might be interesting to use some visual aids in answering this question...


what things do we deal with?
time
space
people
life/living things
symbols
words
robots
Machine

any worthwhile map needs to include all these elements directly or indirectly

this is interesting.  I think I may have to play with this one on paper.  In my new occupation one thing we work with quite often are logic models.  This topic is just begging for one.  Stay tuned.....
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Jenne

One, draw your map in chalk.  It can be hosed down, erased and smudged, yet set with heat when needed.

Two, use a color key you understand--complicating shit only makes it too hard to keep up with.

Three, don't expect others to be going the same destination or even know where the hell you are going--it's your map, you are the one on the expedition (why does this point remind me of "who is driving car?").  Not your neighbor, your lover, your parent.

I don't have a point four.

For the mo.

LHX

Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2007, 02:38:34 AM
A system that makes no pretence to absolutist answers about the Universe and is willing to incorporate new evidence into its understanding - for example properly applied science.

exactly

Occams Razor meets Maybe Logic --> implement that on a map

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 20, 2007, 02:44:11 AM
this is interesting.  I think I may have to play with this one on paper.  In my new occupation one thing we work with quite often are logic models.  This topic is just begging for one.  Stay tuned.....
visuals FTW
neat hell

P3nT4gR4m

Do not waste time believing in stuff. Even if something seems to be a particular way right now, it might not always be so.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

LMNO

Quote from: Jenne on January 20, 2007, 04:38:07 AM
One, draw your map in chalk.  It can be hosed down, erased and smudged, yet set with heat when needed.

Two, use a color key you understand--complicating shit only makes it too hard to keep up with.

Three, don't expect others to be going the same destination or even know where the hell you are going--it's your map, you are the one on the expedition (why does this point remind me of "who is driving car?").  Not your neighbor, your lover, your parent.

I don't have a point four.

For the mo.



AFK

Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Jenne

:lol:

Though, I'd put myself in the curve of the mark rather than the point.