I cracked it, because my girlfriend needed an official doc number for a marriage certificate for a marriage she had recently performed.
So I went here:
**link to 1st ed PD removed due to polite request from the Archivist**
And then
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/27.php
And then suddenly IT was there, like a fetid demon squatting in my head. Greg Hill's, the Polyfather's, Official Discordian Document Numbering System..... and IT WON'T GO AWAY.
Liv's doc number was III(c)/5,iv;12:23:10 by the way.
That means:
III(c) - Issued from the Bureau of Symbols, Emblems, Certificates and Such
5,iv - Issued by a POEE Priest
12:23:10 - The date, but write it with colons so it doesn't look like a date, LULZ!
(Actually, I think Greg wrote that before coming up with the Discordian calendar, because he uses that on the few official doc numbers I've run across).
Holyshit.
IT EXISTS.
no waaaaaiii
that's pretty sweet.
Y'know... reading more and more about Kerry, Greg, and RAW .... I think they didn't put the ODD in the PD on purpose.
It was totally a 'koan'. Something that they could point at you and go, "You don't have a correct ODD# on that ordination, you're not a REALLY REAL Discordian".
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
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Quote from: Telarus on January 04, 2011, 11:17:49 PM
Y'know... reading more and more about Kerry, Greg, and RAW .... I think they didn't put the ODD in the PD on purpose.
It was totally a 'koan'. Something that they could point at you and go, "You don't have a correct ODD# on that ordination, you're not a REALLY REAL Discordian".
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
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:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Yeah, that was my feeling as well.
Telarus, you rock.
I will be organizing my discovery sometime in the next few weeks (I've got to finish a coding project, and I start a term in a week).
Here's what I told cavehamster in chat last night:
(6:58:45 PM) CRAM: Big T, that numbering system is a great find
(6:58:57 PM) CRAM: when Net and I were laying out the Etc I insisted on using the official discordian numbering system
(6:59:15 PM) CRAM: but i thought that just meant using 5 digit numbers like page 00009 or page 000112
(6:59:45 PM) cavehamster: what did you use?
(7:00:12 PM) CRAM: the 5 digit numbering system
(7:00:44 PM) cavehamster: oh
(7:01:42 PM) Telarus: yeah, that's what I always thought it was, too
(7:01:59 PM) Telarus: or just some made-up digits...
(7:04:58 PM) cavehamster: ok, i am confused, how is it not just 5 digit numbers?
.....
(7:09:47 PM) cavehamster: ok, it partly makes sense
(7:10:31 PM) cavehamster: i dont understand how this bit parses: 5,iv - Issued by a POEE Priest
(7:12:30 PM) CRAM: T could probably explain
(7:12:56 PM) Telarus: The parts before/after the slash both reference the same Disorg Matrix, but use different numbering schemes to be all Illuminati and shit
(7:13:06 PM) Telarus: Greg was a genius
(7:13:31 PM) cavehamster: oh, i copy
(7:13:42 PM) cavehamster: now what of the number after the semicolon?
(7:13:50 PM) cavehamster: is that random or ordered?
(7:15:57 PM) Telarus: the date (made not to look like a date). his rough draft of the ODD said break the Gregorian date with semi-colons (also to be all Illuminati and shit). But then he and Kerry came up with the Discordian Calendar, and so most of the ODD#s in the PD have an abbreviation of that (to further hide the date).
(7:16:43 PM) cavehamster: is there a table of abbreviations or just make it up from the first 3 letters?
(7:19:42 PM) Telarus: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/41.php
(7:19:42 PM) Telarus: 14 pages away in the PD (1+4 LULZ!)
(7:19:59 PM) Fred: KEKEKEK
(7:20:07 PM) cavehamster: got it
I've looked at this in the past, but the version explained in the first edition is not consistent with the 4th editions numbering. Great that you figured it out.
Yeah, that was my issue, and then I just started reading one, then the other, then the other, and the it made horrible HORRIBLE sense. :fnord:
Really? I could only find like three 4th edition ODD#s.
Oh, I meant PD1, vs the modern PD Disorganizational Matrices.
Although I really wish I had Adam Gorightly's access to Malacypse's Official Discordian Archive.
That still exists? I'd pay money for some of that to be released.
You know, maybe we should just make up a new one and pretend we never found this.
Quote from: el sjaako on January 08, 2011, 12:07:45 AM
That still exists? I'd pay money for some of that to be released.
Just heard that Adam is working on a "History of the Discordian Society" project with some of the Official Archive material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXPTcqaW4Kw
0:50:00 and on.
Aaaaand Adam Gorightly has asked me to write up the reDiscovery of the ODD# System for his new book. Still hasn't told me if he has documents with these number on them in the "Official Archives".
More details when I have them.
Neat neat neat.
Hrm. I don't get it? Or is that because of the link you edited out by Archiver's request??
So you use the table on the page with the POEE Disorganisational Matrix.
So how does that work with the ODD# on this page (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/7.php), which has ODD# II/2,xii;68Chs3136 on it.
((btw there is another ODD# on this page (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/62.php), but the image is kinda small so I can't read it. I shall have to consult my hardcopy, which is at home))
II means it's from "THE HOUSE OF THE RISING COLLAPSE". It's got no subsection on it, so I guess it's just generally "For the Encouragement of Liberation of Freedom, and/or the Discouragement of the Immanentizing of the Eschaton" ?
2,xii I don't get this one. From your explanation I assumed you look it up in the POEE Disorganisational Matrix again, but there is no list with twelve items in it?
68Chs3136 68th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3136, translates to March 9th, 1970.
So, what's up with the 2,xii bit?
Additionally, what is up with the "**link removed due to polite request from the Archivist**" bit? Isn't all this shit supposed to be kopyleft? Is the "Archivist" Adam Gorightly? Or DrJon? If he asked you to remove the link, maybe you can put up the info that is at that link someplace else and link to that?
Or is the relevant table to be found in the 1st Ed. Principia Discordia? What was the link to that again? -- Ah I see, DrJon took that away too. As well as the ultra secret Bavarian Illuminati memos :|
BAH!, I say. I should have grabbed and downloaded these wonderfully old scans of ancient documents and resurfaced Discordian secrets for my own archive when I had the chance :-(
BTW, I just read that PD1 apparently most probably isn't actually kopyleft/public domain, and therefore DrJon released it under a Creative Commons Non-Commercial license. Though his reasoning why it's not kopyleft isn't terribly clear to me, he just states he's really certain that it isn't because it predates the concept and therefore is probably controlled by either Hill or Thornley estates--yet apparently releasing it as CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 is perfectly fine? That doesn't make sense.
And apparently the PD1 was found in a "paper trail" concerning the JFK assassination as part of the file on Kerry Thornley. Okay. And apparently you can request the US Gov to see into these archives? How's that work?
Turns out Syn put a PDF version of the PD1 on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27611396/Principia-Discordia-1st-Edition
I still don't understand how there can be a twelve in the ODD#, though.
Hey Trip, thanks for bringing these up. I'll look into it the ODD#s.
Could it be that the gaps were intentionally left blank to fill in later (or out of laziness)?
Also, on page 00017 of the 1st edition, there seems to be another rendition of the system.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 20, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
((btw there is another ODD# on this page (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/62.php), but the image is kinda small so I can't read it. I shall have to consult my hardcopy, which is at home))
It looks to me like O.D.D. IIb/vi,1;37D.VVM;3134, although it is fuzzy even when magnified.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 20, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Turns out Syn put a PDF version of the PD1 on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27611396/Principia-Discordia-1st-Edition
I still don't understand how there can be a twelve in the ODD#, though.
Hi folks,
I have a copy of the 1st edition of The Principia Discordia. It was Greg Hill's copy that was passed on to me, and it is nothing like what is posted at the above link, which is kind of a smattering of a few things from the 1st edition, mixed up with some other archival Discordian material Dr. Jon posted back in the day, and then later I asked him to do me a favor and take it down, which he did, as it will be among of the material in the History of Discordianism book I am working on...my reason for having the material taken down is that I didn't want to have it coopted and then presented in a form that was not in context with how the material was originally presented ...anywho, the numbering system was NOT in place during the first edition, except on a couple pages in the back of the book....
Quote from: Gorightly on November 17, 2012, 04:06:08 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 20, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Turns out Syn put a PDF version of the PD1 on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27611396/Principia-Discordia-1st-Edition
I still don't understand how there can be a twelve in the ODD#, though.
Hi folks,
I have a copy of the 1st edition of The Principia Discordia. It was Greg Hill's copy that was passed on to me, and it is nothing like what is posted at the above link, which is kind of a smattering of a few things from the 1st edition, mixed up with some other archival Discordian material Dr. Jon posted back in the day, and then later I asked him to do me a favor and take it down, which he did, as it will be among of the material in the History of Discordianism book I am working on...my reason for having the material taken down is that I didn't want to have it coopted and then presented in a form that was not in context with how the material was originally presented ...anywho, the numbering system was NOT in place during the first edition, except on a couple pages in the back of the book....
Heyyy, that's cool that there's still an intact 1st edition! Rock on!
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Heyyy, that's cool that there's still an intact 1st edition! Rock on!
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Cake, I'm working on getting all this material out there, it's just a long process....One of the most interesting finds are the actual pasteup pages that Greg Hill constructed for the 4th ed PD. This will be a book project and ultimately we'd like to have these on display, but that part of it is an expensive proposition, displaying the materials, and also preserving them...as these projects emerge I will post updates here.
Quote from: Gorightly on November 19, 2012, 04:36:08 AM
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Heyyy, that's cool that there's still an intact 1st edition! Rock on!
Cake, I'm working on getting all this material out there, it's just a long process....One of the most interesting finds are the actual pasteup pages that Greg Hill constructed for the 4th ed PD. This will be a book project and ultimately we'd like to have these on display, but that part of it is an expensive proposition, displaying the materials, and also preserving them...as these projects emerge I will post updates here.
That is super-awesome, thanks for updating us!