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Title: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 22, 2012, 02:03:34 PM
Really not sure if Apple Talk is the preferred area for a thread of this sort, but I'm not sure where else to put it, so I'm plopping it down here.

Not hooting for attention, just a bit concerned and want to feel out opinions from people who I like and trust and yet are slightly anonymous to me... questions like this to people too close can have... consequences I would rather not deal with if this is nothing.

I've had a few episodes lately, which I described to my wife as panic attacks, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what they are.  I've had three in the last month and  a half or so... a feeling of intense disconnect from the rest of the world, and also a feeling of assurances that everyone else is feeling the disconnect.  Nobody really knows anyone else and everything is hollow artifice... accompanying this feeling of disconnect is an intensely visceral feeling of falling apart.  Or maybe just falling.  I often have to grip something tightly and twist or shred it while these (admittedly brief, thank christ, usually no longer than 5-ish minutes) episodes occur, so I don't feel like I am falling, falling apart, or maybe dying.  There is also a feeling of nausea which accompanies, but its in the background of everything else.

OK, so those things... that's been about a month and a half...

But I've been recently realizing that I have enormous difficulty enjoying ANYthing in the moment.  I can enjoy the memory afterwards, but while things are occurring I am just waiting for it to be over, even if its something that should be fun for me.  THIS has been going on for years, I think... at least as far back as 2007.

So, I'm looking for opinions here, are these things everyone goes through but nobody talks about it?  Or are these signs of mental illness?

Any thoughts are very much appreciated.

Also, hi... I was away for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2012, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 02:03:34 PM
Really not sure if Apple Talk is the preferred area for a thread of this sort, but I'm not sure where else to put it, so I'm plopping it down here.

Not hooting for attention, just a bit concerned and want to feel out opinions from people who I like and trust and yet are slightly anonymous to me... questions like this to people too close can have... consequences I would rather not deal with if this is nothing.

I've had a few episodes lately, which I described to my wife as panic attacks, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what they are.  I've had three in the last month and  a half or so... a feeling of intense disconnect from the rest of the world, and also a feeling of assurances that everyone else is feeling the disconnect.  Nobody really knows anyone else and everything is hollow artifice... accompanying this feeling of disconnect is an intensely visceral feeling of falling apart.  Or maybe just falling.  I often have to grip something tightly and twist or shred it while these (admittedly brief, thank christ, usually no longer than 5-ish minutes) episodes occur, so I don't feel like I am falling, falling apart, or maybe dying.  There is also a feeling of nausea which accompanies, but its in the background of everything else.

OK, so those things... that's been about a month and a half...

But I've been recently realizing that I have enormous difficulty enjoying ANYthing in the moment.  I can enjoy the memory afterwards, but while things are occurring I am just waiting for it to be over, even if its something that should be fun for me.  THIS has been going on for years, I think... at least as far back as 2007.

So, I'm looking for opinions here, are these things everyone goes through but nobody talks about it?  Or are these signs of mental illness?

Any thoughts are very much appreciated.

Also, hi... I was away for a few weeks.

The bolded part is, in my experience, depressingly normal and something that any rational person should run from while they still have legs.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 22, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
These things are common symptoms of depression, which is a lot more than just "being super sad all the time." Depression is not a one-size kinda illness, some people can function indefinitely dealing with mild to moderate forms and other folks require medical intervention after just a few weeks of it. If you are concerned about your mental health, or if you feel it's significantly affecting your daily life, it's probably a good idea to shop around for a qualified therapist to talk to about your options. You can also bring it up with your regular doctor, who should give you a referral to someone. There are a lot of ways to start dealing with depression and anxiety if you intervene before it's an emergency situation.

I AM NOT A DOCTOR, YMMV, etc



(Context: I've been hospitalized twice for depression. Both times required short-term medication and longer-term therapy, but I have been very lucky that my depression seems to respond rapidly to treatment.)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Placid Dingo on October 22, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
I've had similar experiences with the first part, the panic attacks. It's never been as bad as yiu describe and if youre not certain what the trigger is it might well.be worth seeking professional advice.

Quote from: Hoopla
But I've been recently realizing that I have enormous difficulty enjoying ANYthing in the moment.  I can enjoy the memory afterwards, but while things are occurring I am just waiting for it to be over, even if its something that should be fun for me.  THIS has been going on for years, I think... at least as far back as 2007.

I apologise in advance for going all Personality test here but theres a large number of NT personality types on this forum and a sense of inability to "just experience" something rather than analyzing the experience, while also being super judgemental of oneself for said inabilitu to "just experience" is super common NT thing. Personally, just bring aware of that tendency was enough for me to start training myself to detach from examining the experience while inside it.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 22, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
I know the feeling, and I have experienced it myself.

I can't say I know what it is, or why it happens.

I can say that it is a difficult experience.

The only solution I have is, when noticed, to immediately make a concious effort to be as much "in the moment" as you can be.   In 8-circuit language, emphisize the second circuit. Be HERE, be NOW.

Then, go out dancing with a large group of friends.  If you have a gay crew, even better.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 02:03:34 PM
Really not sure if Apple Talk is the preferred area for a thread of this sort, but I'm not sure where else to put it, so I'm plopping it down here.

Not hooting for attention, just a bit concerned and want to feel out opinions from people who I like and trust and yet are slightly anonymous to me... questions like this to people too close can have... consequences I would rather not deal with if this is nothing.

I've had a few episodes lately, which I described to my wife as panic attacks, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what they are.  I've had three in the last month and  a half or so... a feeling of intense disconnect from the rest of the world, and also a feeling of assurances that everyone else is feeling the disconnect.  Nobody really knows anyone else and everything is hollow artifice... accompanying this feeling of disconnect is an intensely visceral feeling of falling apart.  Or maybe just falling.  I often have to grip something tightly and twist or shred it while these (admittedly brief, thank christ, usually no longer than 5-ish minutes) episodes occur, so I don't feel like I am falling, falling apart, or maybe dying.  There is also a feeling of nausea which accompanies, but its in the background of everything else.

OK, so those things... that's been about a month and a half...

But I've been recently realizing that I have enormous difficulty enjoying ANYthing in the moment.  I can enjoy the memory afterwards, but while things are occurring I am just waiting for it to be over, even if its something that should be fun for me.  THIS has been going on for years, I think... at least as far back as 2007.

So, I'm looking for opinions here, are these things everyone goes through but nobody talks about it?  Or are these signs of mental illness?

Any thoughts are very much appreciated.

Also, hi... I was away for a few weeks.

That sounds a whole lot like an anxiety attack.  Panic attacks tend to have far more scary symptoms (God stepping on your chest, etc).  They're different manifestations of the same thing.

I dealt with them with PILLS HERE, but I don't necessarily suggest that unless you are also having trouble sleeping.  If I were you, I'd get checked out.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 22, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I do plan to get checked out, to be certain.  It might even be a straight-up health issue, seeing as I haven't been to an actual doctor since 1999... seems it might be time to check one out again.

My thinking was (originally) that in those episodes I was somehow slipping out of the perception grids I was used to viewing the world through and seeing something of the horrifically indifferent underbelly to existence.  I wondered if what I was experiencing was simply the "existential nausea" Sartre wrote about, which was truly terrifying.  Even if my every day experiences were a fabrication I shared with most of my culture, it was preferable to that gaping loneliness which accompanies those moments.  I remember once looking at a pigeon on the street and thinking it knew me as well as my wife did, which is frankly ludicrous.

I just didn't know if everyone felt like this at some point but nobody talks about it, much the same way most people seem to have some sort of bowel issue but nobody talks about it.  TMI?  Probably.

Anyway, I love you fuckers, and I thank you for indulging me in this thread.  Even the people whose names I don't recognize... Gogira = Garbo?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I do plan to get checked out, to be certain.  It might even be a straight-up health issue, seeing as I haven't been to an actual doctor since 1999... seems it might be time to check one out again.

My thinking was (originally) that in those episodes I was somehow slipping out of the perception grids I was used to viewing the world through and seeing something of the horrifically indifferent underbelly to existence.  I wondered if what I was experiencing was simply the "existential nausea" Sartre wrote about, which was truly terrifying.  Even if my every day experiences were a fabrication I shared with most of my culture, it was preferable to that gaping loneliness which accompanies those moments.  I remember once looking at a pigeon on the street and thinking it knew me as well as my wife did, which is frankly ludicrous.

I just didn't know if everyone felt like this at some point but nobody talks about it, much the same way most people seem to have some sort of bowel issue but nobody talks about it.  TMI?  Probably.

Anyway, I love you fuckers, and I thank you for indulging me in this thread.  Even the people whose names I don't recognize... Gogira = Garbo?

Gogira = Gogira.  Nice young lady from New England.

Anyway, the worst case I ever had was complete disassociation.  I was driving on River St, and I suddenly had the sensation that I was behind myself, watching myself drive.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 22, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I do plan to get checked out, to be certain.  It might even be a straight-up health issue, seeing as I haven't been to an actual doctor since 1999... seems it might be time to check one out again.

My thinking was (originally) that in those episodes I was somehow slipping out of the perception grids I was used to viewing the world through and seeing something of the horrifically indifferent underbelly to existence.  I wondered if what I was experiencing was simply the "existential nausea" Sartre wrote about, which was truly terrifying.  Even if my every day experiences were a fabrication I shared with most of my culture, it was preferable to that gaping loneliness which accompanies those moments.  I remember once looking at a pigeon on the street and thinking it knew me as well as my wife did, which is frankly ludicrous.

I just didn't know if everyone felt like this at some point but nobody talks about it, much the same way most people seem to have some sort of bowel issue but nobody talks about it.  TMI?  Probably.

Anyway, I love you fuckers, and I thank you for indulging me in this thread.  Even the people whose names I don't recognize... Gogira = Garbo?

Gogira = Gogira.  Nice young lady from New England.

Anyway, the worst case I ever had was complete disassociation.  I was driving on River St, and I suddenly had the sensation that I was behind myself, watching myself drive.

My apologies to Gogira... I just assumed it was a name change.  Mea culpa.

That sounds ghastly Roger.  How did you handle it?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I do plan to get checked out, to be certain.  It might even be a straight-up health issue, seeing as I haven't been to an actual doctor since 1999... seems it might be time to check one out again.

My thinking was (originally) that in those episodes I was somehow slipping out of the perception grids I was used to viewing the world through and seeing something of the horrifically indifferent underbelly to existence.  I wondered if what I was experiencing was simply the "existential nausea" Sartre wrote about, which was truly terrifying.  Even if my every day experiences were a fabrication I shared with most of my culture, it was preferable to that gaping loneliness which accompanies those moments.  I remember once looking at a pigeon on the street and thinking it knew me as well as my wife did, which is frankly ludicrous.

I just didn't know if everyone felt like this at some point but nobody talks about it, much the same way most people seem to have some sort of bowel issue but nobody talks about it.  TMI?  Probably.

Anyway, I love you fuckers, and I thank you for indulging me in this thread.  Even the people whose names I don't recognize... Gogira = Garbo?

Gogira = Gogira.  Nice young lady from New England.

Anyway, the worst case I ever had was complete disassociation.  I was driving on River St, and I suddenly had the sensation that I was behind myself, watching myself drive.

My apologies to Gogira... I just assumed it was a name change.  Mea culpa.

That sounds ghastly Roger.  How did you handle it?

I pulled over and waited for it to stop.  Then I continued on my way home.

I mean, this IS Tucson, Hoops...We're USED to that sort of shit.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 22, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 22, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Thanks everyone, I do plan to get checked out, to be certain.  It might even be a straight-up health issue, seeing as I haven't been to an actual doctor since 1999... seems it might be time to check one out again.

My thinking was (originally) that in those episodes I was somehow slipping out of the perception grids I was used to viewing the world through and seeing something of the horrifically indifferent underbelly to existence.  I wondered if what I was experiencing was simply the "existential nausea" Sartre wrote about, which was truly terrifying.  Even if my every day experiences were a fabrication I shared with most of my culture, it was preferable to that gaping loneliness which accompanies those moments.  I remember once looking at a pigeon on the street and thinking it knew me as well as my wife did, which is frankly ludicrous.

I just didn't know if everyone felt like this at some point but nobody talks about it, much the same way most people seem to have some sort of bowel issue but nobody talks about it.  TMI?  Probably.

Anyway, I love you fuckers, and I thank you for indulging me in this thread.  Even the people whose names I don't recognize... Gogira = Garbo?

Gogira = Gogira.  Nice young lady from New England.

Anyway, the worst case I ever had was complete disassociation.  I was driving on River St, and I suddenly had the sensation that I was behind myself, watching myself drive.

My apologies to Gogira... I just assumed it was a name change.  Mea culpa.

That sounds ghastly Roger.  How did you handle it?

I pulled over and waited for it to stop.  Then I continued on my way home.

I mean, this IS Tucson, Hoops...We're USED to that sort of shit.

Good point.  We probably get a lot of that in Etobicoke.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Juana on October 22, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
I second everything in this thread, but I wanna that you may wish to be cautious in letting a GP prescribe anything for a potential mental illness. Get a referral, but think twice.
This, of course, is my own horrible fucking millage speaking and yours might suck less.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on October 22, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
I second everything in this thread, but I wanna that you may wish to be cautious in letting a GP prescribe anything for a potential mental illness. Get a referral, but think twice.
This, of course, is my own horrible fucking millage speaking and yours might suck less.

Yeah, it took me a year of horror to finally get dialed in, and it only worked in the end because I changed doctors.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 22, 2012, 04:57:55 PM
I don't have a GP anyway, so no danger there.  When I have aches and pains, I do what my dad did before me and go to the local witchy woman.  She usually rubs an egg on my head, puts it in a little sack and hits it with a hammer.  Inside is an assortment of cracker jack prizes, of which I get to pick one.  I always pick the yoyo, because hey - free yoyo.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 05:01:17 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 22, 2012, 04:57:55 PM
I don't have a GP anyway, so no danger there.  When I have aches and pains, I do what my dad did before me and go to the local witchy woman.  She usually rubs an egg on my head, puts it in a little sack and hits it with a hammer.  Inside is an assortment of cracker jack prizes, of which I get to pick one.  I always pick the yoyo, because hey - free yoyo.

I eventually settled on 2mg of lorazapam (a benzodiazapam derivative), as it is the least disruptive, and because it makes me feel horrible and sexy.  Do NOT let them give you Klonopin (another benzo), as the side effects are a little extreme.

And yes, free yoyo is better than the damn Chinese finger trap.  You can always get your fingers out.  But not other things.  No.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mangrove on October 22, 2012, 05:57:46 PM
Hi Hoops,

I've had two moderate/severe bouts of anxiety in my life in the 90s.  What you describe in your post are things that I can totally relate to. For instance, I'd be tootling along in town, minding my own and then a wave of hot, sweaty, nausea would wash over me. Then I'd feel dissociated from all the people around me and get into existentialist disgust "Arggh...look at all the the teeming faceless masses. ESCAPE! ESCAPE!"

These episodes of 'Teh Horror' would often be accompanied by what I thought was depression (because I certainly felt down about a lot of things) but I later discovered via therapy, was actually anger, especially anger directed at myself. This occurred around 1993-94 or so.

I thought I was losing my mind and began to fear for my own safety because while I had never attempted suicide, I did think about it rather too often. I dropped out of college after 6 months, went home and went to see my Dr whose genius response was that I 'drink less coffee' and perhaps see a career adviser. Gee, thanks.

Fortunately for me, my parents were persistent enough to send me to a different doctor who immediately said "Wow, you sound really anxious". She wrote a script for a mild anti-anxiety and referred me to a therapist who did Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT). The CBT guy was fantastic because he very quickly bust the 'I'm going out of my mind and no one understands me'bubble. I think I only saw him for a couple of appointments and felt a hell of a lot better. Because of that, I didn't bother with the meds because I didn't like how they made me feel. I carried them around in my pocket with me for months 'just in case' but, in the end, I threw them out. 

Jump forward to 1998 and I had become a holy mess once again. Basically, I was in a situation in which I had (daily) to expend an enormous amount of mental/emotional energy keeping someone near & dear to me propped up to get them through a situation to which I had absolutely not an ounce of control. Well, you can only do that for so long before you start to get buggy. After a bout of food poisoning, my anxiety attached itself to food. I couldn't control the situation that was draining me, but I could control what I ate. And so, I got into a loop of anxiety that centered on in irrational fear of getting food poisoning again.

I went to see another Doctor, they referred me to a therapist who, unfortunately, was not the awesome CBT guy but actually a well meaning but disinterested touchy-feely therapist. I was going to sessions but didn't really feel that they were going anywhere. I was struck by the realization that "At one point of my life, I wasn't anxious. Therefore, if the state existed before, it can exist again. I will figure out what caused this and fix it myself."

I hit the bookstore and started checking out books on stress & anxiety. I made alterations to my diet (Potatoes Not Prozac - great read) and began training myself with anti-anxiety techniques. Have to say that the diet change caused the most significant shift at first. So much so that people were saying to me "What the hell happened to you? You are soooo different now!". Discovering that my blood sugar spiking/crashing was contributing to the anxiety  gave me the space to analyze why I was feeling anxious, how to recognize the onset of an episode and how to moderate it. I realized that for me, managing this was a skill that required a few fuck ups and plenty of practise.

In spite of feeling better and telling my therapist that I had taken all these great steps to be a healthier person, she didn't believe me. Naturally, I stopped going for appointments. Through a combination of diet, exercise, body work, stress relief and study. It is this experience that lead me to study massage/body work therapy and really get into the subject of mind/body interaction.

The process I discovered was:

a) Anxiety - random horror! Avoid!!
b) Anxiety - random horror! Resist!
c) Anxiety - actually not random, has a pattern to it.
d) Anxiety - can be managed.
e) Anxiety - can be observed.
f) Anxiety -  has content to it. (What does it want?)

This was a shift from "I'm under attack!" to "This is a very loud warning signal that's trying to warn, not punish me."

It turned out to be a weird sort of gift. Because I felt like crap I sought help and found it lacking, so I kept pushing, learned all sorts of interesting things and got a new career in the bargain. Now I'm oddly grateful that I lost my shit in 1998.

Definitely see your Dr. I've found therapy useful though it depends on the therapy and the person. Often, I think the person can be more important than the modality. I personally didn't like the meds, but I would never tell people to not do them because I believe they can, when used appropriately, provide a necessary buffer zone. Do research.  Be prepared to sort wheat from the chaff when it comes to the medical profession. There's a chance you can be fobbed off, ignored, misdiagnosed or channeled into a line of least resistance treatment. Be persistent – the people who know what they're talking about are out there and you can find them. Tell your family & friends of 'signs to look for' so they can help when you are either working up to or already in an episode. They can be a big help in getting you back to reality.

YMMV, hope this helps!

Mangrove

Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2012, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 22, 2012, 05:57:46 PM
Hi Hoops,

I've had two moderate/severe bouts of anxiety in my life in the 90s.  What you describe in your post are things that I can totally relate to. For instance, I'd be tootling along in town, minding my own and then a wave of hot, sweaty, nausea would wash over me. Then I'd feel dissociated from all the people around me and get into existentialist disgust "Arggh...look at all the the teeming faceless masses. ESCAPE! ESCAPE!"

These episodes of 'Teh Horror' would often be accompanied by what I thought was depression (because I certainly felt down about a lot of things) but I later discovered via therapy, was actually anger, especially anger directed at myself. This occurred around 1993-94 or so.

I thought I was losing my mind and began to fear for my own safety because while I had never attempted suicide, I did think about it rather too often. I dropped out of college after 6 months, went home and went to see my Dr whose genius response was that I 'drink less coffee' and perhaps see a career adviser. Gee, thanks.

Fortunately for me, my parents were persistent enough to send me to a different doctor who immediately said "Wow, you sound really anxious". She wrote a script for a mild anti-anxiety and referred me to a therapist who did Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT). The CBT guy was fantastic because he very quickly bust the 'I'm going out of my mind and no one understands me'bubble. I think I only saw him for a couple of appointments and felt a hell of a lot better. Because of that, I didn't bother with the meds because I didn't like how they made me feel. I carried them around in my pocket with me for months 'just in case' but, in the end, I threw them out. 

Jump forward to 1998 and I had become a holy mess once again. Basically, I was in a situation in which I had (daily) to expend an enormous amount of mental/emotional energy keeping someone near & dear to me propped up to get them through a situation to which I had absolutely not an ounce of control. Well, you can only do that for so long before you start to get buggy. After a bout of food poisoning, my anxiety attached itself to food. I couldn't control the situation that was draining me, but I could control what I ate. And so, I got into a loop of anxiety that centered on in irrational fear of getting food poisoning again.

I went to see another Doctor, they referred me to a therapist who, unfortunately, was not the awesome CBT guy but actually a well meaning but disinterested touchy-feely therapist. I was going to sessions but didn't really feel that they were going anywhere. I was struck by the realization that "At one point of my life, I wasn't anxious. Therefore, if the state existed before, it can exist again. I will figure out what caused this and fix it myself."

I hit the bookstore and started checking out books on stress & anxiety. I made alterations to my diet (Potatoes Not Prozac - great read) and began training myself with anti-anxiety techniques. Have to say that the diet change caused the most significant shift at first. So much so that people were saying to me "What the hell happened to you? You are soooo different now!". Discovering that my blood sugar spiking/crashing was contributing to the anxiety  gave me the space to analyze why I was feeling anxious, how to recognize the onset of an episode and how to moderate it. I realized that for me, managing this was a skill that required a few fuck ups and plenty of practise.

In spite of feeling better and telling my therapist that I had taken all these great steps to be a healthier person, she didn't believe me. Naturally, I stopped going for appointments. Through a combination of diet, exercise, body work, stress relief and study. It is this experience that lead me to study massage/body work therapy and really get into the subject of mind/body interaction.

The process I discovered was:

a) Anxiety - random horror! Avoid!!
b) Anxiety - random horror! Resist!
c) Anxiety - actually not random, has a pattern to it.
d) Anxiety - can be managed.
e) Anxiety - can be observed.
f) Anxiety -  has content to it. (What does it want?)

This was a shift from "I'm under attack!" to "This is a very loud warning signal that's trying to warn, not punish me."

It turned out to be a weird sort of gift. Because I felt like crap I sought help and found it lacking, so I kept pushing, learned all sorts of interesting things and got a new career in the bargain. Now I'm oddly grateful that I lost my shit in 1998.

Definitely see your Dr. I've found therapy useful though it depends on the therapy and the person. Often, I think the person can be more important than the modality. I personally didn't like the meds, but I would never tell people to not do them because I believe they can, when used appropriately, provide a necessary buffer zone. Do research.  Be prepared to sort wheat from the chaff when it comes to the medical profession. There's a chance you can be fobbed off, ignored, misdiagnosed or channeled into a line of least resistance treatment. Be persistent – the people who know what they're talking about are out there and you can find them. Tell your family & friends of 'signs to look for' so they can help when you are either working up to or already in an episode. They can be a big help in getting you back to reality.

YMMV, hope this helps!

Mangrove

Mental illness post of the fucking decade!!! I kicked bipolar into touch using a similar (if not identical) approach. If I'd read this post back then, shit would have been a lot easier.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 23, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Get some professional help, but only on your own terms. If they don't click with you immediately, move on.

Also, be prepared to move on.

As a person that was crippled by worry for much of my early years, an hour of difficult exercise a day has been a major factor in making anxiety a non-issue for the better part of a decade. It's no panacea, but it goes a loooooooong way.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Bu🤠ns on October 23, 2012, 03:52:07 PM
Hoopla, I had some reoccurring anxiety for a while last year two years ago*.  I wrote a thread about it: here (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26931.0.). I linked to a short audio book on amazon, but if i can find my copy, I'd be happy to send it along. 

The techniques described worked surprisingly well. 

Also, Good luck!



* Jeeseh, feels like only last year...
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 23, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
Thank you everyone, especially Mag, your suggestions have all been noted and will be followed to the best of my ability until one contradicts another.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mangrove on October 23, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 23, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
Thank you everyone, especially Mag, your suggestions have all been noted and will be followed to the best of my ability until one contradicts another.

Good luck sir! You can always PM me if you would like.

Mang'
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 23, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 22, 2012, 05:57:46 PM
I hit the bookstore and started checking out books on stress & anxiety. I made alterations to my diet (Potatoes Not Prozac - great read) and began training myself with anti-anxiety techniques. Have to say that the diet change caused the most significant shift at first. So much so that people were saying to me "What the hell happened to you? You are soooo different now!". Discovering that my blood sugar spiking/crashing was contributing to the anxiety  gave me the space to analyze why I was feeling anxious, how to recognize the onset of an episode and how to moderate it. I realized that for me, managing this was a skill that required a few fuck ups and plenty of practise.

Oh. OHHHHHHHHH. *total light goes on moment*

Well, that certainly explains some things. I thought it was just irritation and anger. Looks like I need to pay more attention.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Salty on October 24, 2012, 01:20:34 AM
What helps me (I want to say what DID help me, but it comes back every so often, like an old injury) is to remember I have two brains.

The first brain is the one that's typing this. It sits right in front of my skull, so as to get a good view. And it needs stimulus and isolation in whatever measures it demands. Both are essential. This brain and I have an understanding. We help each other out, it tells me where my keys are and let's me tell myself everthing is okay.

The other brain does not listen. I can tell it whatever I want, but that won't stop the anxiety or the catastrophizing or the feeling like a thousand angry, sweaty primates searching for some long-lost jungle screaming at my other brain, which just cowers in fear.

So working my way through it in my head doesn't work with that brain. It's sort of stupid, for a brain. SO, instead, I show it what's what using the only language it understand: the visceral kind. If my other wants to act like a screaming primate, by god I am going to treat it like one. I do things that are physical, or things that show no immediate signs of effectiveness. Taking a hot bath at the same time every day, exercise (long stretching sessions usually do the job), making sure I'm actually eating enough because I hate food. Routine, dependability. Anything that makes the other brain STFU because it's busy.

What helps me is knowing there's just some things I can't talk my way out of and I have to DO something, anything.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 24, 2012, 02:10:00 AM
Lots of good advice in here already. The dissociation/anxiety/vertigo/nausea does sound like anxiety attacks, and the lack of general enjoyment sounds like depression. However, what Mangrove said about checking your blood sugar is a really good idea, and there are a couple of other things you might want to get checked for. One is irregular heartbeat, which many people assume is a symptom of anxiety attacks when it is actually causing them, and the other is a seizure disorder, particularly if you have vision or other mood disturbances during the day preceding or following an attack. For example, if the quality of light seems unusually grey but colors seems unusually vivid, or it all feels very heavy or muted, or if you become suddenly irrationally angry, or if you have a strong sensation of deja vu or jamais vu before an attack. Or if the top of your head feels tight and prickly, or if everything seems very slow or surreal, or if it feels like that forboding moment when a big storm is about to roll in and you can hear your heartbeat, right before you hear the thunder. Flashes of light around your peripheral vision is also a possible warning for seizures, but can also be a symptom of hypertension, which you should also have checked.

Neither of those would explain the general lack of enjoyment, though. That still sounds like depression.

Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mangrove on October 24, 2012, 03:45:25 PM
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

Alty - "Give IT something to do" is pretty much what every meditation/yoga has said about the dreaded monkey brain for the last few thousand years. If one can navigate their way through the hippy dippy stuff and other adornments, some of those ancient yoga guys made some pretty smart assessments about the relationship between body & mind. Also, routine and discipline while very hard to cultivate are vital. Establishing a regularity in one's life cuts out a lot of uncertainty & guesswork which, in itself, can be rich source of 'shit to worry about'.

Nigel/MG - Nice point about heart irregularity. Sometimes, these things cut both ways. There's been some interesting work done about heart/brain interaction. I think in the past, people just took the view that the brain told all the organs what to do and that was that. Seems that now, anatomists are starting to see that the complex neural plexuses around organs function as 'mini brains' and that organ communication to & from the brain is a lot more dynamic.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2012, 02:32:18 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 24, 2012, 03:45:25 PM
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

I've known for a long time that I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, but it wasn't till last week that I started seeing massive spiking as well. I've known the anger/irritation connection, but hadn't considered stress as well.

I've distinctly noticed that, while most kinds of fruit and bread spike my blood sugar, potatoes and oats don't. I'm kind of disinclined to take dietary advice from anyone except my doctor right now, but what you have said of that book makes sense in my experience.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mangrove on October 25, 2012, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on October 25, 2012, 02:32:18 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 24, 2012, 03:45:25 PM
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

I've known for a long time that I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, but it wasn't till last week that I started seeing massive spiking as well. I've known the anger/irritation connection, but hadn't considered stress as well.

I've distinctly noticed that, while most kinds of fruit and bread spike my blood sugar, potatoes and oats don't. I'm kind of disinclined to take dietary advice from anyone except my doctor right now, but what you have said of that book makes sense in my experience.

The stress response will spike the blood sugar. Here's some notes from a presentation I do on stress management:

1.   Hypothalamus and pituitary, the body's master gland, trigger the 'fight or flight' mechanism.
2.   Pupils of your eyes widen to let in more light.
3.   Mouth becomes dry as saliva production shuts down.
4.   Heart rate quickens to increase blood supply to the muscles.
5.   Breathing speeds up to increase oxygen intake.
6.   Sugar and fat is released from the liver for energy.
7.   Muscles tense ready for action and release lactic acid into the bloodstream.
8.   Blood leaves the frontal lobes of the brain and digestive organs.
9.   Sweating increases and temperature falls.
10.   Adrenal glands release stress hormones, adrenaline and noradrenalin.
11.   Subcutaneous fat is released into the blood stream to provide more energy.
12.   Bowels and kidneys decrease output so body is ready for action.
13.   Blood sugar rises, pulse rate increases, blood pressure rises, and calcium is metabolized.
14.   Too much sugar in the system. Hyperglycemic alarm.
15.   Pancreas releases insulin to balance blood sugar level.
16.   Blood sugar level drops suddenly.
17.   Shocks the system.
18.   Converts sugars to fats.
19.   Can form gallstones and lines the arteries.
20.   Mental processes affected behavioral change.
21.   Aggression, confusion, depression.
22.   Structural faults develop through reflex muscle imbalance.

Our 'stress response' evolved to be a short term reply to immediate physical threat. You're walking along, you see a lion or whatever in your peripheral vision and voila - you either fight the lion, escape the lion or get eaten (or a combination of all three!). The quirky devil that is 'mother nature' made us one of the only animals to persistently trigger our alarm mechanism, not by external, short term, physical threats but by psychologically dwelling on 'possible threats'. When triggered periodically, it's not an issue. The trouble lay in persistently firing the response and having no useful outlet for it. This causes a problematic adaptation - our sympathetic alarm system gets triggered too often for too long and then has problem getting back into a normal state.

What you described re: food is exactly what I learned from the book. As a kid I used to eat poorly and be really into sugar. What I discovered later was that I wasn't getting enough protein and that I needed to take carbohydrates in more complex forms that didn't break down as fast. Simple carbs will spike the blood sugar more readily in hypoglycaemics than it will in other people. I avoid sugary things, anything with a lot of white & refined flours because they seem to shock the body in the same way. I cut my caffeine intake and I never EVER drink coffee on an empty stomach.

Whole grains, brown bread, spuds etc break down a lot slower and obviously, no one ever got a sugar hit out of broccoli! Here's a useful tip from the book that I've used for years. Check the nutrition label of any food you pick up. Look at the part that says 'Carbohydrate' and then look at the part that says 'of which is sugar'. If the second number is more than 1/3 of the total carb amount, it's got too many simple carbs and it's liable to spike you.

I don't blame you for being wary about dietary advice. I was too because there's a lot of stupid books out there, especially ones geared towards weight loss. I don't think there's anything in the book that would conflict with your Drs advice or your scientific sensibilities  :)



Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2012, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 25, 2012, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on October 25, 2012, 02:32:18 AM
Quote from: Mangrove on October 24, 2012, 03:45:25 PM
Kai - Understanding that my blood sugar was funky transformed my life in 2 weeks. I'm rail thin and my body is thermally inefficient, throwing off lots of heat all the time. As such, I've always leaned towards the hypoglycaemic. When you add persistent stress to an already finicky blood sugar balance, I was all over the place. The stress spiked/crashed my blood sugar and then I ate stuff that continued to amplify the spikes which lead to spectacular crashing.

Think I mentioned it above, but if anyone is getting anxious & panicky and they think it might have some nutritional component, then check Potatoes Not Prozac. I love this book because the info changed my life rapidly & dramatically as well as keeping me out of therapy and off medication. Obviously, that's not going to be the case for everyone, but I always recommend it to people because there may be simple steps they can employ that potentially, can have a huge impact. Having read this book and understood the patterns I had, I realized that they were also present in other members of my family. That was especially useful to know.

I've known for a long time that I have a tendency to go hypoglycemic, but it wasn't till last week that I started seeing massive spiking as well. I've known the anger/irritation connection, but hadn't considered stress as well.

I've distinctly noticed that, while most kinds of fruit and bread spike my blood sugar, potatoes and oats don't. I'm kind of disinclined to take dietary advice from anyone except my doctor right now, but what you have said of that book makes sense in my experience.

The stress response will spike the blood sugar. Here's some notes from a presentation I do on stress management:

1.   Hypothalamus and pituitary, the body's master gland, trigger the 'fight or flight' mechanism.
2.   Pupils of your eyes widen to let in more light.
3.   Mouth becomes dry as saliva production shuts down.
4.   Heart rate quickens to increase blood supply to the muscles.
5.   Breathing speeds up to increase oxygen intake.
6.   Sugar and fat is released from the liver for energy.
7.   Muscles tense ready for action and release lactic acid into the bloodstream.
8.   Blood leaves the frontal lobes of the brain and digestive organs.
9.   Sweating increases and temperature falls.
10.   Adrenal glands release stress hormones, adrenaline and noradrenalin.
11.   Subcutaneous fat is released into the blood stream to provide more energy.
12.   Bowels and kidneys decrease output so body is ready for action.
13.   Blood sugar rises, pulse rate increases, blood pressure rises, and calcium is metabolized.
14.   Too much sugar in the system. Hyperglycemic alarm.
15.   Pancreas releases insulin to balance blood sugar level.
16.   Blood sugar level drops suddenly.
17.   Shocks the system.
18.   Converts sugars to fats.
19.   Can form gallstones and lines the arteries.
20.   Mental processes affected behavioral change.
21.   Aggression, confusion, depression.
22.   Structural faults develop through reflex muscle imbalance.

Our 'stress response' evolved to be a short term reply to immediate physical threat. You're walking along, you see a lion or whatever in your peripheral vision and voila - you either fight the lion, escape the lion or get eaten (or a combination of all three!). The quirky devil that is 'mother nature' made us one of the only animals to persistently trigger our alarm mechanism, not by external, short term, physical threats but by psychologically dwelling on 'possible threats'. When triggered periodically, it's not an issue. The trouble lay in persistently firing the response and having no useful outlet for it. This causes a problematic adaptation - our sympathetic alarm system gets triggered too often for too long and then has problem getting back into a normal state.

What you described re: food is exactly what I learned from the book. As a kid I used to eat poorly and be really into sugar. What I discovered later was that I wasn't getting enough protein and that I needed to take carbohydrates in more complex forms that didn't break down as fast. Simple carbs will spike the blood sugar more readily in hypoglycaemics than it will in other people. I avoid sugary things, anything with a lot of white & refined flours because they seem to shock the body in the same way. I cut my caffeine intake and I never EVER drink coffee on an empty stomach.

Whole grains, brown bread, spuds etc break down a lot slower and obviously, no one ever got a sugar hit out of broccoli! Here's a useful tip from the book that I've used for years. Check the nutrition label of any food you pick up. Look at the part that says 'Carbohydrate' and then look at the part that says 'of which is sugar'. If the second number is more than 1/3 of the total carb amount, it's got too many simple carbs and it's liable to spike you.

I don't blame you for being wary about dietary advice. I was too because there's a lot of stupid books out there, especially ones geared towards weight loss. I don't think there's anything in the book that would conflict with your Drs advice or your scientific sensibilities  :)

The problem is also that many Drs. have their own pet project they turn into books, that ends up being their end all solution to all dietary needs ever. Which means that most dietary books contradict each other in some way. Here you see you should limit your animal protein and fat intake. Here, no, it's the sugar from fruits and breads you need to limit. Here, beans are excellent for you. Here, beans are to be avoided. And you have the followers, who preach the goodness of that diet as if it were religion. So, I'm going to run self experiments. I have a relatively good handle on what's going on in my body if I pay attention. And I have a glucose tester. So, what I have to do is follow the Buddha's advice and test these claims, throwing out the stuff that doesn't work. Since everyone's tolerance is different, I have to self-tailor my diet. Otherwise I end up with something that doesn't fit right.

What I've found so far is, caffeine is an issue (even green tea). As is not sleeping well or enough. Alcohol, in the evening, is not, as long as it's low in sugar; I shouldn't drink beer but red wine is more than fine. Butter is like a godsend. It has a lot of calories but it's almost all fat, which burns slow, and doesn't spike my blood sugar at all. I can't do bananas, or other sweet fruits (even some apples), but blackberries, raspberries, and blueberries are just fine. Whole wheat bread and buckwheat noodles are fine as long as I eat spaced out small portions, but any more than that and it's too much. Water is a funny one. If I keep my blood sugar low, I can get by on drinking a liter of water a day. But if it's high, I need 2 or 3 times that amount. This isn't counting the water I get from foods. Brown Rice: I can eat a bunch of it and it doesn't bother me at all, especially with the collard greens I'm usually eating along with it.

And some of the above probably won't work for most other people.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 25, 2012, 05:04:19 PM
SCIENCE!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2012, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 25, 2012, 05:04:19 PM
SCIENCE!

And it's the sort of science that /anyone/ with an ounce of self discipline and a blood glucose monitor can do.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
But if you eat an actual piece of cake for breakfast, people act like you're being wacky.  :?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 25, 2012, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

This.  Unless they're corn fritters, in which case you are in a grievous state of error and downright SIN.

Waffles made with all manner of weird things in them and then served with just butter are ok, too.

But both of those are for supper.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2012, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

For me, breakfast food (especially eaten at other points in the day) was always potatoes, eggs, bacon, sausage, and wheat toast. Which isn't all that bad, especially since my cholesterol is fine and I omit the toast.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Juana on October 25, 2012, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
But if you eat an actual piece of cake for breakfast, people act like you're being wacky.  :?
We totally do that.

If I eat anything for breakfast, I think I deserve a prize. I'm trying (even made mini-omelettes in a muffin tin) but I forgot this morning. But breakfast food, aside from my deep love for French toast, consists of like eggs and hashbrowns in my house.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on October 25, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Breakfast food for me: Whole grain bread with butter and brown cheese. Always.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 25, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
waffles made of black bean burger mix.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 25, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
the tears of lost souls.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 25, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
But if you eat an actual piece of cake for breakfast, people act like you're being wacky.  :?

Move to France (http://cupcakesandcashmere.com/madeleines/)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2012, 09:19:49 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 25, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
But if you eat an actual piece of cake for breakfast, people act like you're being wacky.  :?

Move to France (http://cupcakesandcashmere.com/madeleines/)

I love madeleines, they're delicious! I used to work in a cafe and we'd get a couple dozen in every morning.

I also like muffins. But my favorite is fried brown rice with spicy chicken and spinach. People be all "but that's greasy!" and I'm all, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW MUCH OIL IS IN A MUFFIN?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 25, 2012, 10:09:48 PM
Only time I've ever bothered eating breakfast was when I was in Strasbourg and it was madeleines and a cup of black coffee the size of a fucking soup bowl. Perfect start to the day!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 26, 2012, 12:02:46 AM
I love that this thread drifted into breakfast food... but I take issue with pancakes being described as disgusting.  Pancakes are fucking delicious.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 26, 2012, 02:36:18 AM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

FRIED cake. They suck up the oil in the pan like nobody's business. Then people jam pats of butter between them and drown them in syrup.

I actually don't mind the taste. I just hate the way I feel after eating them, even sans butter and with minimal syrup. Like there's a brick in my stomach and I need to drink a gallon of water and go back to bed.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Reginald Ret on October 26, 2012, 07:07:28 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 26, 2012, 02:36:18 AM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

FRIED cake. They suck up the oil in the pan like nobody's business. Then people jam pats of butter between them and drown them in syrup.

I actually don't mind the taste. I just hate the way I feel after eating them, even sans butter and with minimal syrup. Like there's a brick in my stomach and I need to drink a gallon of water and go back to bed.
Yeah? I loved that feeling. It meant my stomach will stop screaming FEED ME for 4-6 hours. That used to be so rare it made me very happy. The only thing that worked better was lots and lots of meat. That gave me about 6-12 hours of that, meaning i got to sleep a full night without waking up with hungercramps. I'm just lucky the hunger didn't wake me up at night, though starting your day with a doubled-over-from-hungercramps sprint to the kitchen isn't fun.
I'm glad that's over btw.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 26, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Here's an important question... is it "see-rup" or "sur-rup"?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 26, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 26, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Here's an important question... is it "see-rup" or "sur-rup"?

Sur-rup of course. Only godless southerners use "see-rup".
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on October 26, 2012, 03:00:51 PM
si-rup
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 26, 2012, 03:06:33 PM
Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on October 26, 2012, 03:00:51 PM
si-rup

THIS! You bunch of fucking heathens  :argh!:
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 26, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
It's pronounced, "That shit that inevitably drips down the side of the bottle and leaves a fucking mess on the countertop that no one bothers to clean up and evetually attracts an entire nest of ants."
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 26, 2012, 03:29:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 26, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
It's pronounced, "That shit that inevitably drips down the side of the bottle and leaves a fucking mess on the countertop that no one bothers to clean up and evetually attracts an entire nest of ants."

I like ants.  Makes me feel like I'm in a Dali painting.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Cain on October 26, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
You say that now, but just wait until they start burrowing into your skin while you sleep and crawling around all night long.

They will leave, but that just means people will think you're crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis) when you tell them about it.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mangrove on October 26, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 26, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
You say that now, but just wait until they start burrowing into your skin while you sleep and crawling around all night long.

They will leave, but that just means people will think you're crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis) when you tell them about it.

:golfclap:

Nicely played, sir. This mental health thread that turned into a breakfast thread is a mental health thread once more.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Kai on October 26, 2012, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 26, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
You say that now, but just wait until they start burrowing into your skin while you sleep and crawling around all night long.

They will leave, but that just means people will think you're crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis) when you tell them about it.

Yes, yes we will. You aren't really an Entomologist till you've had your first run in with one of these people.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 26, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 26, 2012, 12:02:46 AM
I love that this thread drifted into breakfast food... but I take issue with pancakes being described as disgusting.  Pancakes are fucking delicious.

I don't like 'em.

OK, I've had maybe a couple in my life that I thought were ok, but mostly I think they're nasty. *I* can't even make pancakes I like.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LHX on October 28, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
Such a great thread
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 28, 2012, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on October 26, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on October 26, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Here's an important question... is it "see-rup" or "sur-rup"?

Sur-rup of course. Only godless southerners use "see-rup".

EXCUSE ME, WE SAY "SURP".

I don't say "surp", I say "seer-up". But that might not even be correct.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
SYUR-ep.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
I'm more of a waffle person, tbh. I think pancakes are narsty as well.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: EK WAFFLR on October 28, 2012, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
I'm more of a waffle person, tbh. I think pancakes are narsty as well.

Thanks^_^

In seriousness, I like both, but waffles are way better.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Waffler on October 28, 2012, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
I'm more of a waffle person, tbh. I think pancakes are narsty as well.

Thanks^_^

In seriousness, I like both, but waffles are way better.

I like waffles!

I like them with strawberries and whipped cream, or with bananas and chocolate.

And here in the Northwest, we say seir'up.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 28, 2012, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
SYUR-ep.

S'europe!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
You know what is fucking amazing on waffles? Butter and cherry preserved.



Oh my God I need this NAO.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 05:55:02 PM
Quote from: The Waffler on October 28, 2012, 05:42:24 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
I'm more of a waffle person, tbh. I think pancakes are narsty as well.

Thanks^_^


My pleasure. :fap:
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Juana on October 28, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
SYUR-ep.
SIR-up.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

Um.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

Um.

I blame my phone and my lack of glasses for this gaffe.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

Um.

I blame my phone and my lack of glasses for this gaffe.

:lulz: Fair enough.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 28, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

Noooo, you ruins it!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

Noooo, you ruins it!

Makes it betterer.   :p
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 28, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

Noooo, you ruins it!

Makes it betterer.   :p

Either makes it more betterer. Both makes it the BESTEST.

Also: Ice cream on a napalm-hot brownie straight out of the oven.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

I like plain, unsweetened heavy cream with warm apple pie, and whipped cream on pumpkin pie.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Luna on October 28, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

I like plain, unsweetened heavy cream with warm apple pie, and whipped cream on pumpkin pie.

You can't HAVE pumpkin pie without whipped cream!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 29, 2012, 01:27:03 AM
Pie is OK but if you want a REAL treat...



Cake.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 01:42:01 AM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 01:27:03 AM
Pie is OK but if you want a REAL treat...



Cake.

CAAAAAAKE!!!!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 01:43:29 AM
(http://politicallunacy.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/christmas-cake.jpg?w=780)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 01:44:18 AM
(http://www.hotbreadsmddc.com/images/wedding_cake_images/wedding_cakes_20.jpg)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 01:44:52 AM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YGFVWeD_FgY/Tzk2jX2dv_I/AAAAAAAAFp0/lErdpCa0RuI/s1600/cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: EK WAFFLR on October 29, 2012, 01:45:35 AM
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 01:46:28 AM
CAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!

(http://kevinandamanda.com/recipes/images/best-chocolate-cake-buttercream-frosting/best-chocolate-cake-buttercream-frosting-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 29, 2012, 01:50:02 AM
OMG CAAAAAKE


Last week, for three days straight, I ate nothing but CAKE.

I STILL HAVE CAKE!!!  CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Sita on October 29, 2012, 01:54:28 AM
I now want cake.
Must put on the list for this weekend to get mix and fruit filling.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 29, 2012, 03:09:08 AM
OH COME ON, I JUST GOT AWAY FROM THE CAKE PORN A COUPLE DAYS AGO YOU GUYS!
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 29, 2012, 04:20:36 AM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on October 29, 2012, 03:09:08 AM
OH COME ON, I JUST GOT AWAY FROM THE CAKE PORN A COUPLE DAYS AGO YOU GUYS!

Fuck that noise.

(http://www.networkoffood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/german-chocolate.gif)

Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 29, 2012, 04:24:05 AM
I take full credit for this.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 04:24:44 AM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 04:24:05 AM
I take full credit for this.

YOU BASTARD
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 29, 2012, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 29, 2012, 04:24:44 AM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 04:24:05 AM
I take full credit for this.

YOU CUSTARD

fixed
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Luna on October 29, 2012, 09:00:57 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 29, 2012, 01:44:18 AM
(http://www.hotbreadsmddc.com/images/wedding_cake_images/wedding_cakes_20.jpg)

I want to have this cake's babies.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2012, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 29, 2012, 04:24:44 AM
Quote from: V3X on October 29, 2012, 04:24:05 AM
I take full credit for this.

YOU CUSTARD

fixed

:lulz:
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 29, 2012, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 28, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 28, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 28, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel The Rock-Throwing Goth on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

:crankey:  HERETIC! NOTHING GOES ON TOP OF PIE!

ICE CREAM. WHIPPED CREAM.

Either of these.  Preferably, both.

I like plain, unsweetened heavy cream with warm apple pie, and whipped cream on pumpkin pie.

You can't HAVE pumpkin pie without whipped cream!

Bourbon apricot sauce.  Your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
I like my dessert stolen and replaced by a near-identical imposter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion).
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on October 29, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
How the hell do you just happen to come across something like that?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2012, 03:25:08 PM
Oh, I've known about Capgras Syndrome for years.

Remember, I was doing psychology before I went into politics.  Abnormal Psych was my favourite class, and the one with most relevance once I switched courses.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Juana on October 29, 2012, 06:44:46 PM
:lulz:
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 29, 2012, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 29, 2012, 03:25:08 PM
Oh, I've known about Capgras Syndrome for years.

Remember, I was doing psychology before I went into politics.  Abnormal Psych was my favourite class, and the one with most relevance once I switched courses.

I did not know that.  That's cool.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
Well, psychology and philosophy.

From age 16, my education can be summed up thusly:

History, Philosophy, Biology, Spanish until 18 (also a pseduo-course called "General Studies", aka "an easy A for anyone who can write an essay").

From 18 it was Philosophy, Psychology and politics.

From 20 it was politics, History and classical literature.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Freeky on October 29, 2012, 11:17:03 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Don Coyote on October 30, 2012, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: CAKE on October 25, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 25, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 25, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
I've decided to revert my diet, as much as I can, to what I ate when I was living by myself when I was younger. It was possibly a slightly odd diet, but a very healthy one and I did well on it. I changed it when I married because my husband found it peculiar, but I don't have one of those anymore so I don't care. It was basically chicken, fish, beans, brown rice, berries, and vegetables, with occasional fruit and venison, and that's it.

Um, that's pretty much precisely what my doctor told me to eat.  Except take out venison, add turkey.

I forgot eggs.

But yeah, it's really healthy, but my husband thought brown rice and chicken for breakfast was weird, and didn't really understand the concept of eating the same thing three times a day until it was gone.

Fucking Americans.

No eggs. :(

But I never eat "breakfast food".  This morning's breakfast was mashed potatos and chicken sausage.

I don't understand "breakfast food". It makes no fucking sense to me.

Also, pancakes. A. they're disgusting, and B. IT'S CAKE. WITH SYRUP ON IT. WHAT THE SHIT THAT ISN'T A MEAL.

:trolling:

Quote from: CAKE on October 25, 2012, 06:38:11 PM
But if you eat an actual piece of cake for breakfast, people act like you're being wacky.  :?

I have no idea why I quoted this post.

Quote from: Reverend Roadkill on October 25, 2012, 06:39:39 PM


This.  Unless they're corn fritters, in which case you are in a grievous state of error and downright SIN.

Waffles made with all manner of weird things in them and then served with just butter are ok, too.

But both of those are for supper.

Waffles, good for a meal no matter fucking what.
Breakfast? Waffles
Lunch? Left over waffles
Dinner? More WAFFLES
Snacktime? pancakes because the waffle iron exploded.

Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on October 26, 2012, 02:36:18 AM


FRIED cake. They suck up the oil in the pan like nobody's business. Then people jam pats of butter between them and drown them in syrup.

I actually don't mind the taste. I just hate the way I feel after eating them, even sans butter and with minimal syrup. Like there's a brick in my stomach and I need to drink a gallon of water and go back to bed.

I must be making pancakes wrong. They don't do that with the weighing you the crap down.

Quote from: CAKE on October 28, 2012, 05:47:23 PM
I like maple syrup, but I like it in apple pie or on french toast, not on waffles.

I like boysenberry syrup.

I honestly have to tell myself to not drink the syrup straight out the bottle.

Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 30, 2012, 02:13:44 AM
Pancakes are fucking stupid. And gross.

And whoever said some fucked up shit about some "bourbon apricot sauce" or some shit like that on a goddamn pumpkin pie should probably move to some tiny, overly-effete European prinicipality or something. What the fuck.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2012, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 30, 2012, 02:13:44 AM
Pancakes are fucking stupid. And gross.

And whoever said some fucked up shit about some "bourbon apricot sauce" or some shit like that on a goddamn pumpkin pie should probably move to some tiny, overly-effete European prinicipality or something. What the fuck.

:mittens:
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on October 30, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
according to Payne, I consume Maple Syrup like a Canadian, a French-Canadian at that.

Apparently this means I have All The Wrong Values.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 30, 2012, 02:27:10 PM
French-Canadians are actually a superior subset of human, until they go to Old Orchard Beach on vacation at which point they lose all vestiges of humanity, grow extra hair, and act like big hairy termites. If termites ate poutines and drank Moosehead.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 30, 2012, 02:42:39 PM
Moosehead?  I thought all French "Canadians" drank Molson Dry.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: East Coast Hustle on October 30, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
We don't have that here in the Quebecoise Riviera. They have to settle for Moosehead or Labatts.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: hooplala on October 30, 2012, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 30, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
We don't have that here in the Quebecoise Riviera. They have to settle for Moosehead or Labatts.

Well yeah, if the choice is Labatt Blue or piss... the smart money is on piss.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: Don Coyote on October 31, 2012, 05:19:47 AM
Once again it turns out my tastes in beer are shittier than I thought.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 03, 2013, 08:45:11 PM
Split by request.
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: LMNO on January 03, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
I believe he started a "Mental Health Answers" thread when Hoops spoke up the first time?
Title: Re: Mental Health Question
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 03, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 03, 2013, 08:47:20 PM
I believe he started a "Mental Health Answers" thread when Hoops spoke up the first time?

Yes, but I was asked for a thread split by the OP, so I did it.  I don't think there's any harm done.