Why has Feminism become a Dirty Word? and Other Misogyny on the Internet.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

A thing that puts my hackles up right away is guys who say that they're sadistic and/or very dominant and/or, and most especially, that they have a rape fetish or fantasy. Those are A) an attempt to be a bad boy, B) they think they're being edgy, or C) they don't want to treat an SO as their equal. It's fucking disturbing how many people will say they have rape fantasies, women too.

I've taken to saying that I'm willing to try it, but I've never used a strap on before.

A mention of a rape fantasy would clam up my girl-parts instantly and have me running for the door. I don't mind a little pain, kink or a bit dom, but only in the bedroom. Elsewhere I am not to be dominated in any way.

[Freeky]

Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

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Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

I think the problem may be that Tuscon eats decent people.

[Freeky]

Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

I think the problem may be that Tuscon eats decent people.

I already knew that, but it never occurred to me that this isn't a thing that happens other places in such a high percentage of people as it does here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

I think the problem may be that Tuscon eats decent people.

I already knew that, but it never occurred to me that this isn't a thing that happens other places in such a high percentage of people as it does here.

Most guys I meet are super NOT into rape fantasies or being dominant. And the bigger and more confident they are, the more (IME) they want the girl to be the boss in bed.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

I think the problem may be that Tuscon eats decent people.

I already knew that, but it never occurred to me that this isn't a thing that happens other places in such a high percentage of people as it does here.

Most guys I meet are super NOT into rape fantasies or being dominant. And the bigger and more confident they are, the more (IME) they want the girl to be the boss in bed.

A lot of the time, anyway.  It makes you feel like your partner WANTS to be there, know what I mean?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Exactly, and I don't understand why it's become so desirable and attractive.

I think the problem may be that Tuscon eats decent people.

I already knew that, but it never occurred to me that this isn't a thing that happens other places in such a high percentage of people as it does here.

Most guys I meet are super NOT into rape fantasies or being dominant. And the bigger and more confident they are, the more (IME) they want the girl to be the boss in bed.

A lot of the time, anyway.  It makes you feel like your partner WANTS to be there, know what I mean?

Yeah, little details like that help make the difference.

[Lenin McCarthy]

I don't know, maybe the rape fantasies are a perverted form of nostalgic longing for the days when men were Real Men and women were kept inside? It's hard for some to carve out an identity in this strange, complex world, so maybe they decide to jump back a few centuries to some age when life was predictable and pretty much predetermined. That makes sense to me, if it's right that rape is mostly about power.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That makes sense to me, if it's right that rape is mostly about power.

I've always heard it was.  It makes sense, then, that most rapists are fairly stupid.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The most interesting thing to me about that possibility is that the guys who can't hack it now, and feel overwhelmed and/or intimidated by women, are exactly the kind of guys who would have had the shit and the life stomped right out of them back then.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

That makes sense to me, if it's right that rape is mostly about power.

I've always heard it was.  It makes sense, then, that most rapists are fairly stupid.

The studies I've seen show that most rapists are serial rapists, and have a hypermasculine thing going on when it comes to their attitudes.  If you consider that about 1 in 6 women in the US has been raped, most of these don't get reported, there is a minority of these assholes raping a lot of women. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Feminism became a dirty word around the time when the militant lesbian man hater stereotype was established. For guys who are down on women it's an easy target, just like athiests latch on to radical fundamentalists and racists latch on to terrurists and gangstas and whatever the fuck else.

From my pov, speaking as one of the lucky ones who is a white, male, heterosexual heathen I do not question for one minute the validity of things like the feminist movement and it's ilk in race or sexual orientation spheres but I do quite clearly see that for every person who's opinion is turned by them there are X amount who it causes to dig their fucked up attitude's heels in deeper.

The more I look at it it's not something that I think lends itself to a cause like Feminism^tm It's more about destroying fuckheads. Maybe if women got together with blacks and gays and wasps like me and formed an anti-fuckhead movement it'd have a greater effect. I mean, other than the target of their dumb, what exactly is the difference between racism, sexism, homophobia and whatever the hell else? Is there any real advantage in fragmenting the counter attack?

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Feminism became a dirty word around the time when the militant lesbian man hater stereotype was established. For guys who are down on women it's an easy target, just like athiests latch on to radical fundamentalists and racists latch on to terrurists and gangstas and whatever the fuck else.

From my pov, speaking as one of the lucky ones who is a white, male, heterosexual heathen I do not question for one minute the validity of things like the feminist movement and it's ilk in race or sexual orientation spheres but I do quite clearly see that for every person who's opinion is turned by them there are X amount who it causes to dig their fucked up attitude's heels in deeper.

The more I look at it it's not something that I think lends itself to a cause like Feminism^tm It's more about destroying fuckheads. Maybe if women got together with blacks and gays and wasps like me and formed an anti-fuckhead movement it'd have a greater effect. I mean, other than the target of their dumb, what exactly is the difference between racism, sexism, homophobia and whatever the hell else? Is there any real advantage in fragmenting the counter attack?

The Straw Feminist trope has a lot to answer for.

Intersectionality in fighting inequality is very important to most of the feminists I know, especially myself, and to some extent fragmentation isn't helpful, however, I as a white, straight mostly hetero woman have no real personal experience of racism, apart from some minor anti-Irish shit, but the internet is wonderful thing and myself, personally, keep an equal eye on all kinds of reports on prejudice.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Feminism became a dirty word around the time when the militant lesbian man hater stereotype was established. For guys who are down on women it's an easy target, just like athiests latch on to radical fundamentalists and racists latch on to terrurists and gangstas and whatever the fuck else.

From my pov, speaking as one of the lucky ones who is a white, male, heterosexual heathen I do not question for one minute the validity of things like the feminist movement and it's ilk in race or sexual orientation spheres but I do quite clearly see that for every person who's opinion is turned by them there are X amount who it causes to dig their fucked up attitude's heels in deeper.

The more I look at it it's not something that I think lends itself to a cause like Feminism^tm It's more about destroying fuckheads. Maybe if women got together with blacks and gays and wasps like me and formed an anti-fuckhead movement it'd have a greater effect. I mean, other than the target of their dumb, what exactly is the difference between racism, sexism, homophobia and whatever the hell else? Is there any real advantage in fragmenting the counter attack?

I thought we were ALREADY anti-fuckhead movement. Look what we do to pagan forums. 

As far as feminism goes, any time people start organizing - for ANY reason - IMHO they get a bunch of people trying to derail them. This means anything from FBI COINTELPRO shit, to Rush yammering about feminazis, to Shit Yahoos Talk. 

On the upside, you get hilarity like this old Pat Robertson quote: "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

Oh hell yeah. 

[Pæs]

(Pixie posted exactly this while I was off making snacks, but I'ma post it anyway.)

Yeah, what Pent said. Feminism became a dirty word when the straw feminist character gained popularity because "stop talking, wimminz" is easier than using yer brain.

The more I look at it it's not something that I think lends itself to a cause like Feminism^tm It's more about destroying fuckheads. Maybe if women got together with blacks and gays and wasps like me and formed an anti-fuckhead movement it'd have a greater effect. I mean, other than the target of their dumb, what exactly is the difference between racism, sexism, homophobia and whatever the hell else? Is there any real advantage in fragmenting the counter attack?

Most of the feminists I know do incorporate all of the anti-fuckheadedness as part of their emphasis on intersectionality. See also: kyriarchy.