Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 07:19:51 AM

Title: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 07:19:51 AM
This is probably the best forum for this.

You're two conflicting things. Discuss the conflict here.

I was raised, in the United States, in Boston, which is a very Irish city in the US.

My mother is Irish and Scottish by heritage, and as German as Scottish. But she is American, and her parents are/were American (my grandfather is dead, my granmother, though failing, is alive). My father is an Irish immigrant. He doesn't speak much about politics but he named me after a martyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barry). There's a rebel song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWfKQRFwWQ) about my name-sake and my naming, providing I turned out male (I am the eldest of 3, and the only surprise gender), was politically motivated regardless, after much debate (pretty humorous too). Only one sibling (Midsister) has a non-Irish name  (it's Danish).

Now, aside from being someone who had pretty good access to his genealogy and doesn't have to supplement his whiteness with any tales of Native blood (you are what you are. If you can prove it, bully. If not, shut up), I don't mind telling you that I am an Irish nationalist. I am also a staunch unionist.

What the fuck you talking about Twid?

Ok. I would like to see a united Ireland in my lifetime (I say unification, because I have no illusions about our history. The only time we were unified was when we were part of the British Empire. There can be no reunification by definition). But I want to see it by democratic means. I want those other six counties to vote to be a part of the Republic. The war is over. I've said it before, active IRA units are waging a war of conquest. Just friggin' listen to their accents. They have more in common with Scotland than with us.

Everyone has the right to democratically choose their government. If the majority of Ulster wants to be part of the United Kingdom, let them. If you're American, shut up. If you are (part of the Republic) Irish, shut up. If you're Northern Irish, speak up. I suspect the breeding trend will cause unification anyway.

But beware! When unification happens, you will regret it, because your TroublesTM will be equal but reversed. Nothing will change except the constitution you have. You will have angry Unionists. Very angry Unionists. The only difference is that the Republicans will have a slight majority. You are an entirely different country now. England saw to that in 1922. The division was GENIUS. You used to be Irish. Now you don't think so. More power to you.

My name-sake died for his country. And he died young. And he got it. Maybe not all 32 counties but he became a symbol. A rallying point. His death was ABHORRENT. He totally deserved it though. He was a traitor and a terrorist, and he killed members of the military that represented his Empire. But if a bunch of bumpkins to the west want to secede, let them. But close enough. We have Poblacht na hEireann noew. If you now consider yourselves separate in the "Kingdom of Ireland", just as I do, have at it. My name-sake died for the Republic that he never saw. You don't have to.

Nationalists, put down your fucking guns and vote. Unionists, put down your fucking guns and vote (and stop using my favorite band's mascot as your own) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Ballymena_UDA_Eddie.JPG). We'll see how this pans out in the future. And if you don't want to be part of the Republic, fuck you and God bless at the same time. We don't need you anyway. Jameson tastes better than LaPhroaig and you're a liar if you say otherwise.

This, right here, is a load of American bullshit, in South Boston, no less:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/7008717_8cf62f40c8.jpg)

The equation is wrong. It should be Northern Ireland - (Republic of Ireland + United Kingdom) = Freedom.

Find your own way, Kingdom of Ireland. I, for one, have negative interest in annexing you, especially by violent means.

Sincerely,
-Caoimhin de Barra O Maoilchiarain
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 08:18:34 AM
I also like the ring of Caoimhin de Barra O Maoilchiarain (KWEE-veen jeh-BAHR-ruh OH MWEEL-kheeuh-rawn, as opposed to my English name. I always disliked my middle name except it Irish. Barry is such a silly sounding name.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Placid Dingo on June 15, 2012, 09:32:09 AM
I find nationalism too silly to give it much though. That said I guess everyone has a vision of how they want their nation to be. I know I talk a lot about how Australia is more part of Asia than the West.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 10:17:45 AM
Scotland is mumbling something about independence and referendumbs and such bullshit again. The nationalists are beating their skinny little ribcages and demanding we remember what happened in 16-whatever. I'm more 'meh' that I'd thought was humanly possible. I'm only scottish when people from not round these parts notice my accent. The rest of the time I'm a one man nation. I'm fucking P3nTish and fiercely proud of it!

So they're asking me to vote (again) for some bullshit about should we be ripped off by a bunch of fat lazy useless fucks with english accents or should we strike out on our own and be ripped off by a bunch of fat lazy useless fucks with scottish accents (posh ones mind you - you can hardly tell them apart from the southerners)

I'll be too fucking busy chugging a beer and smoking a joint, on some remote island to worry too much about who rules the rock I'm sitting on. As far as I can tell, it's me.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 15, 2012, 11:42:31 AM
As an English-born half Irish person, who hatehatehated the funding of terrorism in NI and the rest of the UK by Irish Americans, I am totally in agreement. Unless you are entitled to an Irish passport you can GTFO.  Unification is something for the people of Northern Ireland to decide by democratic means. I understand that the funding pretty much dried up after 9/11 and at the time I was a little mean and considered it karmic.

The Troubles, when leaking over to the mainland UK, caused no end of trouble and prejudice for those with Irish surnames and accents.  My mum has told me stories of the late 70's and early 80's, when the butcher wouldn't call her by her married name like he did the other women, because he was afraid she would get harassed. I remember being 14 and being intently interested in the Good Friday agreement, and cheering when it was announced.

As for P3nt's point about Scottish nationalism, I kind of understand the reasoning and history behind it, and as Scottish politics are quite left-wing, the SNP scare me a whole metric fucktonne less than the BNP and the EDL.  Hell, as an English person if I lived there I would vote for them! I hope that if they do break the Union, they do it after I've moved up there and I can escape the Tories!  It's somewhat silly for a nation to be affected by the policies of a government that they haven't voted in. Devolution and the Scottish Parliament have somewhat lessened that now, sure, but I can see why the Scots find it galling.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 15, 2012, 11:42:31 AM

I understand that the funding pretty much dried up after 9/11 and at the time I was a little mean and considered it karmic.


This! First thing that went through my head when I heard about the towers being hit was - Thank fucking christ, now (with a bit of luck) the US, right up to government level might realise that terrorism isn't cute and romantic.

IRA fell apart about a month later and, although now we have a whole clusterfuck of imported Anti-TERRUR dumbfuckery going on all over the place, at least we feel safe walking in and out of supermarkets now.

Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on June 15, 2012, 12:48:08 PM
I am the result of
50% inbred peasants from an isolated valley in eastern Norway since at least the 1500s (in the 1590s my great-x12-great-grandfather tried to assassinate two consecutive local preachers. :lulz: ).
25% working-class city dwellers (my great-grandfather (not genetically, he was just a really nice guy who fell in love with my great-grandmother and claimed fatherhood for her "illegitimate" child) was a cemetery gardener and my great-grandmother did waiting and housekeeping jobs) who gave birth to a twisted genius (my grandfather) who somehow managed to become a doctor.
25% farmers and carpenters from western Norway who mostly emigrated, became missionaries in Africa or Nazis (my great-grandfather was close to becoming Minister of Education and Church Affairs in the occupation government).

Apply safe middle-class upbringing in dull provincial town.

Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: AFK on June 15, 2012, 12:54:13 PM
Interesting thread and a fascinating read. The closest thing I have to this is my French-Canadian heritage and the stuff around Quebec's attempts to secede from Canada, but of course, being American, it really has little immediate bearing on me.  Tough, I suppose it has the potential to impact up in Northern Maine where I grew up. There is a large reliance on Canadian business in that part of the state including Quebecois.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Verbal Mike on June 15, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
Hmm... I'm Israeli... 25% German Jew, the roots of which branch were in Spain via Portugal and Holland; 25% Russian Jew who came to the Holy Land in the 18/19th century for religious reasons; 50% East-Coast and Midwest American Jew, the roots of which were all over Eastern Europe, but oddly enough some roots crossed between the two halves of that side in some tiny town in Lithuania.

I've always thought nationalism is ridiculous at best but usually outright dangerous, but like a lot of Israeli lefties I feel at the same time that if the Palestinians want to be a "nation" nobody has a right to stop them trying (but that anyone who uses violence for liberation has personally forfeited the moral high ground and should expect violent retribution.)

I don't know much about the Ireland situation, but from what I gather it's a really amazing example which Israelis and Palestinians have much to learn from.

(I'm actually not sure what this thread is *about* but this seemed like an appropriate collection of comments. Indeed a fascinating read.)
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 04:01:37 PM
Quote from: VERBL on June 15, 2012, 03:53:06 PM

I don't know much about the Ireland situation, but from what I gather it's a really amazing example which Israelis and Palestinians have much to learn from.


Pretty straightforward, really. Blow up enough pubs and supermarkets and they'll give you a seat in parliament.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:11:00 PM
The irish situation in a nutshell- about 800 years ago the island was made up of petty kingdoms. One king wanted military assistance from england and england smirked and took the whole place. At some point they rewarded scottish protestants land in ulster (the northern province). So now these scots are irish but loyal to britain. Irish people want to secede scots irish dont. It is somewhat comparable to israel with a few more centuries thrown in as well as the concept of union with an empire. Oh and around world war 1 the brits got sick of our every fifty year uprisings and said sure have your own country but were partitioning it. The irish military couldnt sustain the war so they accepted the terms but still claimed the north. Enter terroist activity.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
And this thread is about personal interests and or opinions that conflict with some label attached to you. It was inspired by nigel mentioning that her interests as a native american dont always align with her interests as an african american. If i remember correctly. I was rocking the cheap rot gut last night.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:18:35 PM
In my case im an irish american living in boston who has been instilled with nationalist sentiment but i shrugged it off at some point and said hey its their call. Not bostons and not irelands. Theirs alone. Siad Fein (themselves) to make a pun on the nationalist party Sinn Fein (ourselves).
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 15, 2012, 04:29:25 PM
Cornish.  All my people wear boots to bed and hate everyone.

Which should be obvious.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:32:45 PM
You forgot about the pasties.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 15, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
And this thread is about personal interests and or opinions that conflict with some label attached to you. It was inspired by nigel mentioning that her interests as a native american dont always align with her interests as an african american. If i remember correctly. I was rocking the cheap rot gut last night.

Yep. That's pretty much what I said. There's also some weird shit going on culturally speaking, where most people take the perspective that you have to pick one. Which one do I identify with the most? That question doesn't even make sense, it's like asking which of my kids I love the most. I do confess that, having been raised being told that I'm half Welsh, it was a bit of a shock to find out that actually, I'm half some weird inbred Viking enclave nobody's ever heard of, but it's been amusing to research and claim that branch of ancestry even though I can't so much say that I identify with it.

And, of course, I have personal beliefs that conflict at times with the values instilled into me by upbringing. For example, rationally speaking as a modern adult human in the state of Oregon in the USA, it should not really matter in the least that half my ancestry is inbred Mormon dwarf Vikings, rather than inbred Mormon dwarf Welsh. But the values I was raised with include, not to put too fine a point on it, ancestor worship, and that includes ALL my ancestors even if they were giant assholes, and how the hell can I properly respect them if I don't even know who they are or where they came from?

But anyway. I'm just rambling now.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 15, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:32:45 PM
You forgot about the pasties.

We don't have nipples.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:52:03 PM
How do cornish mothers feed their spawn then?
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 15, 2012, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:52:03 PM
How do cornish mothers feed their spawn then?

They eat mud and then puke it back up partially digested for their offspring.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 04:38:38 PM

I'm half some weird inbred Viking enclave nobody's ever heard of, but it's been amusing to research and claim that branch of ancestry even though I can't so much say that I identify with it.


This is where I stand with ethnicity. I don't identify with a whole bunch of shit that my genetic lottery results might insist I should, conversely I identify with a lot of shit that (apparently) I have no business identifying with. The whole "roots" thing always struck me as so much bullshit.

I mean, fair enough, when I get drunk I'll sing "Flower of Scotland" and want to charge down south and kill the english but that's less to do with nationalistic tendencies than the fact that when I get drunk I enjoy a good fight ....

... okay, you got me, I'm 100% Scottish  :oops:
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 15, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 04:38:38 PM

I'm half some weird inbred Viking enclave nobody's ever heard of, but it's been amusing to research and claim that branch of ancestry even though I can't so much say that I identify with it.


This is where I stand with ethnicity. I don't identify with a whole bunch of shit that my genetic lottery results might insist I should, conversely I identify with a lot of shit that (apparently) I have no business identifying with. The whole "roots" thing always struck me as so much bullshit.

I mean, fair enough, when I get drunk I'll sing "Flower of Scotland" and want to charge down south and kill the english but that's less to do with nationalistic tendencies than the fact that when I get drunk I enjoy a good fight ....

... okay, you got me, I'm 100% Scottish  :oops:

If you were 100% Scottish, you'd start fighting EACH OTHER while the English army looked on, puzzled.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 15, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?

The Mormon thing and the ancestor worship thing are from two different sides of the family, though actually now that I think of it, Mormons kind of practice ancestor worship of sorts as well.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 15, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 15, 2012, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 04:38:38 PM

I'm half some weird inbred Viking enclave nobody's ever heard of, but it's been amusing to research and claim that branch of ancestry even though I can't so much say that I identify with it.


This is where I stand with ethnicity. I don't identify with a whole bunch of shit that my genetic lottery results might insist I should, conversely I identify with a lot of shit that (apparently) I have no business identifying with. The whole "roots" thing always struck me as so much bullshit.

I mean, fair enough, when I get drunk I'll sing "Flower of Scotland" and want to charge down south and kill the english but that's less to do with nationalistic tendencies than the fact that when I get drunk I enjoy a good fight ....

... okay, you got me, I'm 100% Scottish  :oops:

If you were 100% Scottish, you'd start fighting EACH OTHER while the English army looked on, puzzled.

You obviously never seen me drunk when there's no sasanachs within range. It's the reason I never drink alone - I hate trying to beat myself in a fight.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Roly Poly Oly-Garch on June 17, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?

The Mormon thing and the ancestor worship thing are from two different sides of the family, though actually now that I think of it, Mormons kind of practice ancestor worship of sorts as well.

Very much so...and to humorous effect. I've got a gay friend who's descended from Brigham Young. He's automatically guaranteed paradise due to his lineage and he's automatically denied cause of the whole wang chung thing. He's not even sure how that plays out. Guess we're in wait and see mode.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on June 17, 2012, 03:11:03 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on June 17, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?

The Mormon thing and the ancestor worship thing are from two different sides of the family, though actually now that I think of it, Mormons kind of practice ancestor worship of sorts as well.

Very much so...and to humorous effect. I've got a gay friend who's descended from Brigham Young. He's automatically guaranteed paradise due to his lineage and he's automatically denied cause of the whole wang chung thing. He's not even sure how that plays out. Guess we're in wait and see mode.

:lulz:

For realz? Quantum state of salvation?
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on June 17, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on June 17, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?

The Mormon thing and the ancestor worship thing are from two different sides of the family, though actually now that I think of it, Mormons kind of practice ancestor worship of sorts as well.

Very much so...and to humorous effect. I've got a gay friend who's descended from Brigham Young. He's automatically guaranteed paradise due to his lineage and he's automatically denied cause of the whole wang chung thing. He's not even sure how that plays out. Guess we're in wait and see mode.
8

haha, Shrodinger's Gay Mormon.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Telarus on June 17, 2012, 08:41:29 PM
That is very....  :eek: :fnord:  :aaa:
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: rong on June 17, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
I was raised to believe I am half Irish, half German.  But I suspect that's a generalization.  Also, I am supposedly related to Abe Lincoln and John Wilkes Booth.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on June 17, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: Pixie on June 17, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on June 17, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: PROFOUNDLY RETARDED CHARLIE MANSON on June 15, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Twiddlegeddon on June 15, 2012, 04:54:25 PM
Nigel- whats up with mormonism and the ancestor thing anyway?

The Mormon thing and the ancestor worship thing are from two different sides of the family, though actually now that I think of it, Mormons kind of practice ancestor worship of sorts as well.

Very much so...and to humorous effect. I've got a gay friend who's descended from Brigham Young. He's automatically guaranteed paradise due to his lineage and he's automatically denied cause of the whole wang chung thing. He's not even sure how that plays out. Guess we're in wait and see mode.
8

haha, Shrodinger's Gay Mormon.

That needs to be some kind of meme.  :lulz:

I don't identify with a lot of my ancestors, either. Some of them were kind of Jebus-crazy.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on June 18, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
My heritage is American. Genealogy research has informed me that my father's side of the family has a mix of various European roots, most notably Irish (My father's maternal great grandfather), Scottish (Maternal side, dating back to the Revolutionary war), German (My father's paternal great-grandparents) and Welsh (My father's paternal side, dating back to the early 1800's).

On my mother's side, there's almost no genealogical data that can be documented. According to the family, my mother's great grandmother claimed to be half Blackfoot (and the tintype of her at my grandma's house has some very native features). However, since most of the family is illiterate and very poor, with a lot of home births... tracking down anything useful is almost impossible.

A couple interesting things I found though.

My paternal grandmother believed her maiden name was Rhoades, when we found her birth certificate her father's last name was listed as Rood. We found out that my grandmother and all of her siblings had been spelling their last name incorrectly and differently from each other. From that we were able to document the family back to a Scottish lord that was sent to the Colonies during the Revolution as a fighter for the British. He immediately switched sides, changed his name and joined the revolutionaries.

My paternal great great great grandfather was chased out of several towns in Virginia, West Virginia and Ohio for A) Impersonating a travelling preacher, then taking the money and running, B) Stealing horses and C) Selling 'cure-all' medicine.

So my genetics are a mix of turncoats, swindlers and whatever else got tossed out of Europe.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 13, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
Bump. I think that this deserves more attention, since I did not attend it to be a commentary on Irish politics, but rather cognitive dissonance.

I think I have also altered my politics. I support the Republic of Ireland, obviously. I also support and independent Republic of Ulster. Independent, permanently, of The United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland.

No unification. Ever.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: dontblameyoko on July 25, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
i'm part-German, part-Cornish (and other English), part-Irish, part-French, part-Dutch, part-Danish (by adoption), and 25% unknown.
i used to think i was part-Welsh.  now i'm not sure.  (was proud of being part-Welsh too...had a mini identity crisis when i found out i migh not be, lol)
to the person who is/may be related to Abe Lincoln: so is my friend's daughter, evidently.
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on July 25, 2012, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: dontblameyoko on July 25, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
i'm part-German, part-Cornish (and other English), part-Irish, part-French, part-Dutch, part-Danish (by adoption), and 25% unknown.
i used to think i was part-Welsh.  now i'm not sure.  (was proud of being part-Welsh too...had a mini identity crisis when i found out i migh not be, lol)
to the person who is/may be related to Abe Lincoln: so is my friend's daughter, evidently.

Hi cousin.  :lol:
On my mom's side, English (Cornish included), Irish, Scottish, Dutch, German, Swiss, French Huegenot, and maybe some other people they won't tell me about ("Black Dutch" usually translates to "Native American trying not to get totally dispossessed or killed").
On my dad's side, if the guy my mom named really is my dad, his mom immigrated from Alsace. French & German as best I can trace them. His dad's people have a Polish/Lithuanian surname but the line STOPS at his grandfather. Other people doing research on that name have never heard of these people. I did find an old document where his grandfather said he came from Holland. I suspect a name change and a whole buncha bullshit. Probably ought to get my DNA done.  :p
Title: Re: Ethnic cognitive disparities.
Post by: LMNO on July 25, 2012, 04:24:54 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm Modern American.  Fourth generation, or something.