Apparently, at least one or two of you have misunderstood everything I've tried
to say for the last few years. You've missed the point, so I guess I'm gonna
have to explain my position in small words. Tell me if I'm typing this too fast
for you.
Look, when I bitched about the republic being dead, and freedom being a dying
art, I wasn't telling you to ACCEPT these hideous truths! I wasn't telling you
to give up, and roll into a fetal ball in the corner! Goddammit, you'd BETTER
holler when the rock hits you, because when you're dead, you'll shut up like
hell!
And when I wrote "or kill me", just what the fuck did you think I was trying to
say? Well, let me tell you one last hideous truth...there IS freedom, but
nobody is going to give it to you. Not your rich parents. Not your
"government" (har har!). Your military isn't fighting for your freedom
(and if you think they are, boy do I have a real estate deal for you!).
No, you'll just have to take it for yourself, just like those asstards back in the 18th century. And if they try to stop you, you have to kick them in the jimmy. And you'll have to kick them until they let you have your freedom, or until they kill you. And until they do, you'd better live a life WORTHY of a free person! Don't just eat that cheeseburger, eat the HELL out of it! Go nuts! Kick shit over, have a blast, and enjoy what little time you get before they bring the hammer down on you!
Shit, do you think they're gonna let me get away with MY shit forever? They've
already tried to lock me up twice, and three times is a charm. No, one day I'll
disappear...I'll just stop showing up, and you'll wonder why for a little while,
and then you'll get back to bickering about music, etc, and I'll fade from your
memory. Just another foul-mouthed thug from the Southwest, who tried to bring
back the Wild West and failed.
Until the day they come for YOU. Oh, and they WILL. Maybe not Bush and his
crew...they're on their last legs. But maybe Hillary and HER crew...you ARE a disruptive bunch, and you'll never make it on Oprah. So maybe you'll be shunted off to a re-education camp in New Hampshire, where you'll be beaten like a rat every day, for your own good.
And on THAT day, friends, you'll wish you'd listened. You'll wish you'd grabbed
that ephemeral thing we call "freedom" by the neck and choked the shit out of
it. You'll wish you realized earlier what you stood to lose. Well, at first.
In a month or so, you'll start responding to the therapy, and you'll wonder what
all the fuss was about. The sun will shine down onto your grey pajamas, and
even the mud of the camp recreation area will look warm and inviting. You'll
realize that They really do love you, even when you're bad. And you love them.
You love Big Brother.
Bang.
Or Kill Me.
Well said. Only dead fish go with the flow.
And as the sea pollution increases, there will be plenty of those to go around...
If Discord is anything, its resisting the flow, drawing a line, saying "no" and refusing to go along with the current state of affairs. Discord is the spirit of rebellion (not revolution) and should be embraced as such.
My heavens, what would Justin Timberlake say about this?
Well said, Roger. 
Would you say that the first place to find freedom is in your own mind, or is it first in the place where your body is?
Oh and Felix, JT is too busy fucking Scarlett Johansen to care.
I, personally, would say it's in the mind. I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world. I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation. Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play. Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency.
Ours do. If you have a few months to wait.
And if you're doing what you want to do and not letting someone else rule your life, who's to say you don't have both?
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 01:18:05 PM
Well said, Roger. 
Would you say that the first place to find freedom is in your own mind, or is it first in the place where your body is?
Both. You is or you isn't.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind.  I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world.  I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation.  Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play.  Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency. 
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the
act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that. When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
meme bomb time!
FREEDOM IS A VERB.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 04:07:55 PM
meme bomb time!
FREEDOM IS A VERB.
Oh, that'll do nicely.
TGRR,
Just freedomed in his pance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind. I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world. I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation. Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play. Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency.
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that. When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
Problem.
Most people have lost what they truly want in a tangle of cables, asphalt, and self-pity.
people want to be emo.
they=winnars.
emo is like goth. except, worse fashion sense, and no follow-through.
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind.  I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world.  I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation.  Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play.  Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency. 
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that.  When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
Problem.
Most people have lost what they truly want in a tangle of cables, asphalt, and self-pity.
Sucks to be them.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 05:33:19 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind. I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world. I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation. Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play. Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency.
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that. When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
Problem.
Most people have lost what they truly want in a tangle of cables, asphalt, and self-pity.
Sucks to be them.
Of course, but what to DO with them?
Doesn't seem right to just let them slowly bleed out in the closet.
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind.  I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world.  I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation.  Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play.  Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency. 
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that.  When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
Problem.
Most people have lost what they truly want in a tangle of cables, asphalt, and self-pity.
Sucks to be them.
Of course, but what to DO with them? 
Doesn't seem right to just let them slowly bleed out in the closet.
Who put them there in the first fucking place? Not me.
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I, personally, would say it's in the mind. I think it is possible to be free mentally and spiritually, but still be bogged down in the "real" and physical world. I think a good example would be any of us here who are in a less than ideal occupation. Unfortunately, it seems there are some games you have to play. Because apparently hospitals don't take charm and charisma as currency.
You can be free in jail.
Look, freedom is the act - not a state of being - of doing what YOU want to do, no matter what happens because of that. When Martin Luther King, Jr went to Birmingham jail, he was a hell of a lot more free than the people who put him there.
Problem.
Most people have lost what they truly want in a tangle of cables, asphalt, and self-pity.
Sucks to be them.
Of course, but what to DO with them?
Doesn't seem right to just let them slowly bleed out in the closet.
Who put them there in the first fucking place? Not me.
I'm not convinced responsibility in a lot of these cases lands on an individual.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:15:44 PM
I'm not convinced responsibility in a lot of these cases lands on an individual.
Who is responsible for YOUR freedom?
Me.
But if I get ill, my wife and family.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:25:42 PM
Me. 
But if I get ill, my wife and family.
I didn't ask who was responsible for wiping your ass, I asked who was responsible for your
freedom.
If the answer is ever anything but "yourself", then you aren't free.
So if some drunken jackass flips his SUV onto my lap, it's my fault?
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:34:13 PM
So if some drunken jackass flips his SUV onto my lap, it's my fault?
What's that got to do with freedom?
Seems to me we have a part in everybody's freedom we come in contact with.
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
stop gumming the gears of the elite machine with your sticky gray areas, netaungrot.
warning the first (there will be no further warnings).
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:52:15 PM
Seems to me we have a part in everybody's freedom we come in contact with.
Nope. Freedom doesn't have SHIT to do with car accidents, etc. You can TRY to STOP someone from being free, but you can't succeed without their approval.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Nope.
By the way, I hate your fucking sig. It is royally jacking up my formatting, and is about to trigger my hate gland.
Just saying.
TGRR, you can block sigs win the profile menu.
LMNO
-a happier monkey, now that he blocks sigs.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:09:57 PM
TGRR, you can block sigs win the profile menu.
LMNO
-a happier monkey, now that he blocks sigs.
I like some sigs. I just hate his.
Because he's a rotten bastard that thinks it's clever to post stupid fucking HUGE pics that serve no other purpose than to jack up everyone's formatting. I hate him. Goddammit, I hate him. He should be dragged under a gas truck for a few blocks, to give him a chance to examine the error of his ways.
TGRR,
Just discovered you still get nicotene fits 9 days after you quit.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better.  And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Sorry to say, but you get nic fits 8 years after quitting.
LMNO
- 8 years "clean".
PS - the physical shit calms down in about a fortnight.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:14:46 PM
Sorry to say, but you get nic fits 8 years after quitting.
LMNO
- 8 years "clean".
PS - the physical shit calms down in about a fortnight.
That's okay. I'm just going to take it out on the civilian population tonight.
yessir, officer man.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:16:51 PM
yessir, officer man.
"Constable", actually, can you fucking believe it.
They still have constables.
Anyway, I think I'm gonna fuck with the lackwits over at the KKK bar.
Heh, constables.
I didn't know they used that term in the USA at all.
Constable, no shit.
Maybe you should go all eighteenth century on thier asses?
as i said i watched videodrome yesterday, they light a cigarette just about every-fucking-minute   :argh!:
knowing what an addiction means is one of the few good things i got from smoking.
hey TGGR, are you "free" if you get a cigarette craving every time you see someone light a smoke? even if it's only on TV and thus NOT REAL?
- 000,
fortunately starting to become immune to this emoticon --> :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2007, 07:20:09 PM
Heh, constables.
I didn't know they used that term in the USA at all.
Yeah, we use it a little differently, though.
AFAIK, only Arizona and Missouri use them.
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 07:21:17 PM
hey TGGR, are you "free" if you get a cigarette craving every time you see someone light a smoke?
Yes. I can light up, or not light up, as I choose.
How hard is that to understand?
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
Constable, no shit.
Maybe you should go all eighteenth century on thier asses?
I'm gonna make them all take "sobriety tests" as they leave the bar.
Those quotation marks worry me.
What did you have in mind?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:22:17 PM
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 07:21:17 PM
hey TGGR, are you "free" if you get a cigarette craving every time you see someone light a smoke?
Yes.  I can light up, or not light up, as I choose.
How hard is that to understand?
i was just asking, cause i was wondering about it myself.
i was referring to being free of having this craving or not.
but if you're just talking about the physical decisions you make, then, in fact, i think this craving actually perhaps underlines the freedom of making a choice.
Oh please do the stand on one leg alphabet backwards sobriety test.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:24:29 PM
Those quotation marks worry me.
What did you have in mind?
I'm thinking gymnastics.
Or ballet.
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 07:26:25 PM
but if you're just talking about the physical decisions you make, then, in fact, i think this craving actually perhaps underlines the freedom of making a choice.
This is FINALLY the correct motorcycle.
I think I'm starting to get you.
The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.
Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.
Close?
As long as it's you making the decision, the vastly complex interplay of real life dynamic is pretty irrelevant to how free you are.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.
The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.
Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.
Close?
Yep, except that identifying them is optional. Plus there's something about kicking people in the jimmy, IIRC.
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
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Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:16:51 PM
yessir, officer man.
"Constable", actually, can you fucking believe it.
They still have constables.
Q) What do you call a woman police officer who shaves her muff?
A) Cuntstubble!
don't all thank me at once
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better.  And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
Please fix your sig.
ETA: Thanks.
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Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:31:44 PM
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Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
No chap.
Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.
The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.
Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.
Close?
Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?
Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.
Why shouldn't they?  What's the point in being right if you took so long to think that you never did anything?
Also, library time up, be back later.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:36:15 PM
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Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
No chap.
Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
Name one.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.
The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.
Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.
Close?
Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?
Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.
Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.
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Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:30:25 PM
I think I'm starting to get you.
The BIP consists of the biological and psychological restraints placed upon the body and the knee-jerk, instinctive mind.
Freedom comes from identifying these factors, and still making a concious decision to go along with them or not.
Close?
Okay now I'm lost. Isn't that what everybody thought BIP was?
Also I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.
Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.
And sometimes it comes from high-quality Sexhurt,Ñ¢.
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Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
No chap.
Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
Name one.
Cancer.
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Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.
And sometimes it comes from high-quality Sexhurt,Ñ¢.
If you're lucky.
Mrs. LMNO probably ain't no Maria, but she can still get the job done.
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 07:40:26 PM
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Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on February 23, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
No chap.
Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
Name one.
Cancer.
"Get better or die."
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
Sometimes, short-term satori comes from realizing you've been arguing from the same side of the room.
And sometimes it comes from high-quality Sexhurt,Ñ¢.
If you're lucky.
Mrs. LMNO probably ain't no Maria, but she can still get the job done.
Ohhhhhhh, yeah.
We've been through 3 bedframes this year.
Yowza.
We've got one of those bedframes on wheels, why I don't know. Often times we end up on the opposite end of the room. Who's driving the bed?
discordians cure cancer ITT
i love this place
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Quote from: Felix Mackay on February 23, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
It is surely obvious that freedom is a choice we all make for ourselves.
Beyond this, it's just a matter of how good you are at it.
Oversimplification, IMO.
Simple things work better. And this idea is 100% application, so I think it's appropriate if unacademic.
Puts you in league with W.
Fuck simple with a rusty meat cleaver.
You're telling me that any creditable freedom philosophy is complex and highly intellectual?
Fuck that.
No chap.
Life presents complex problems that shouldn't be oversimplified.
Name one.
Cancer.
"Get better or die."
"Thanks doc, how much do I owe you?"
I have a feeling it's "you cannot afford"
I think the basic idea of freedom = choice is not too simplistic, IMO. Its a good starting ground for building on other ideas, such as bad faith, relationships with others, the metaphysics of freedom vs determinism, brain mechanisms, ideas of consciousness and ego etc. Shit, remove the stuff about negation and Sartre wrote well over 500 pages on the topic, in just one book.
Quote from: LHX on February 23, 2007, 07:51:24 PM
discordians cure cancer ITT
i love this place
Kinky sex and philosophy of freedom.
At the same time.
This thread is HAWT.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
We've got one of those bedframes on wheels, why I don't know.  Often times we end up on the opposite end of the room.  Who's driving the bed? 
HIMEOBS IS DRIVING BED.
Who the fuck didn't see THAT coming?
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2007, 07:54:31 PM
I think the basic idea of freedom = choice is not too simplistic, IMO. Its a good starting ground for building on other ideas, such as bad faith, relationships with others, the metaphysics of freedom vs determinism, brain mechanisms, ideas of consciousness and ego etc. Shit, remove the stuff about negation and Sartre wrote well over 500 pages on the topic, in just one book.
As a basic idea, I agree.
But avoiding the building part just leaves a big square of concrete in the dirt.
I'm looking at the whole house, including the dermabrasion going on in the bedroom.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
We've got one of those bedframes on wheels, why I don't know. Often times we end up on the opposite end of the room. Who's driving the bed?
HIMEOBS IS DRIVING BED.
Who the fuck didn't see THAT coming?
:eek:
Dear Christ, I wish I wasn't at work.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 23, 2007, 07:50:50 PM
We've got one of those bedframes on wheels, why I don't know.  Often times we end up on the opposite end of the room.  Who's driving the bed? 
HIMEOBS IS DRIVING BED.
Who the fuck didn't see THAT coming?
:eek:
Heh, I need to convince my wife to join HIMEOBS.  I think she'd like it.  She has sufficient hate that is for sure.  
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PMAlso I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.
you just realised that srsly? i thought the whole time you were just fencing with words for the sake of dancing around the same point.
kind of like the typical scooby-doo chase scene.
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 23, 2007, 07:37:27 PMAlso I just realised I spent two days arguing with Rog about something we both agree on. You can't buy that kinda irony.
you just realised that srsly? i thought the whole time you were just fencing with words for the sake of dancing around the same point.
kind of like the typical scooby-doo chase scene.
Kinda got lost in the moment I guess.
well, you'd have almost gotten away with it
if it weren't for us meddling kids
Quote from: triple zero on February 23, 2007, 08:39:20 PM
well, you'd have almost gotten away with it
if it weren't for us meddling kids
Okay, that's it.
Everyone off of my internets.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:12:40 PMTGRR,
Just discovered you still get nicotene fits 9 days after you quit.
Rog, you quit smoking?
OFUK DOOM! :lulz:
Quote from: synaptyx on February 24, 2007, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:12:40 PMTGRR,
Just discovered you still get nicotene fits 9 days after you quit.
Rog, you quit smoking?
OFUK DOOM! :lulz:
Day 12.
God, how I hate you all.
Well, if nothing else. We get to see where the ceiling is for Rog's hate. Though, I have a feeling, it's probably much like the ceiling of a house in Baghdad.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 26, 2007, 03:34:48 PM
Well, if nothing else.  We get to see where the ceiling is for Rog's hate.  Though, I have a feeling, it's probably much like the ceiling of a house in Baghdad. 
On the other hand, there's a hell of a view.
You know, you'd think the (additional) irrational hatred and rage would have passed by now.
Maybe that's just your natural level that the nicotine was suppressing.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 26, 2007, 05:02:49 PM
Maybe that's just your natural level that the nicotine was suppressing.
Naw. My natural level is pretty high, but I still get waves of headachy misery from withdrawal symptoms, and my hate quotient goes through the roof.
For example, I spent the last 30 minutes hating African AIDS babies. Who the hell hates African AIDS babies?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2007, 05:05:42 PM
Who the hell hates African AIDS babies?
Guess it depends on what they've done to you.
[is currently feeling neutral toward african AIDS babies]
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 26, 2007, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 26, 2007, 05:02:49 PM
Maybe that's just your natural level that the nicotine was suppressing.
Naw.  My natural level is pretty high, but I still get waves of headachy misery from withdrawal symptoms, and my hate quotient goes through the roof.
For example, I spent the last 30 minutes hating African AIDS babies.  Who the hell hates African AIDS babies?
at a guess, i'd say the catholic church, given that they're so anxious that africans don't use condoms....even if they have AIDS.
Pope sez: "Well, we'd much rather you have AIDS infected kids than use condoms because condoms aren't in the Bible."
Neither is the fucking Popemobile
Quote from: Cain on February 26, 2007, 07:11:54 PM
Neither is the fucking Popemobile
ok, now you're just nit picking :lol:
Does Pope John Ratzenberger use the Popemobile?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 26, 2007, 07:27:57 PM
Does Pope John Ratzenberger use the Popemobile?
only on his mail route.
is that the new guys name? ratzenberger? ... Ratz? ... Ratty?
[can feel a bit more photoshopping that puppet coming on]
I think it's Ratzinger or something like that. However whenever I read the name I can't help but think of Pope Cliff Claven. :D
I think the cardinals have been keeping him on a leash
last big tour he did was to the middle east and he really fucked that one up
It's hard being the new guy. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 26, 2007, 08:14:06 PM
It's hard being the new guy.   :mrgreen:
apparently all of the other reindeer used to laugh and call him names.... :fnord:
Yeah, they never let poor Ratty, join in any Poopy, I mean Popey games...
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/EmperorRatty.jpg)
:mittens:
Silly, did you shop that, or did your tour the Vatican during the full moon?
Nice pic. :lulz:
Bump!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 23, 2007, 07:09:57 PM
TGRR, you can block sigs win the profile menu.
LMNO
-a happier monkey, now that he blocks sigs.
I like some sigs. I just hate his.
Because he's a rotten bastard that thinks it's clever to post stupid fucking HUGE pics that serve no other purpose than to jack up everyone's formatting. I hate him. Goddammit, I hate him. He should be dragged under a gas truck for a few blocks, to give him a chance to examine the error of his ways.
TGRR,
Just discovered you still get nicotene fits 9 days after you quit.
:lulz:
Another example of how TGRR and Dok are different. :sad:
not that I don't love Dok...
-insert foot in mouth-
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
Another example of how TGRR and Dok are different. :sad:
not that I don't love Dok...
-insert foot in mouth-
November 1st.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
Another example of how TGRR and Dok are different. :sad:
not that I don't love Dok...
-insert foot in mouth-
November 1st.
I was referring to OP, not you quitting smoking.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
Another example of how TGRR and Dok are different. :sad:
not that I don't love Dok...
-insert foot in mouth-
November 1st.
I was referring to OP, not you quitting smoking.
Oh. Yeah, TGRR actually wanted people to get better and be more free.
Yeah. :(
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:31:18 PM
Yeah. :(
That sort of stupidity is why he died, crushed to death beneath the sheer weight of the idiots he was trying to save. Boo hoo hoo, so sad.
Me, I just want to watch the monkeys do their thing, until they are all gone.
As a realist, I know that there is no helping people who don't want to be saved.
But I want to believe.
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
As a realist, I know that there is no helping people who don't want to be saved.
But I want to believe.
Then believe in the tooth fairy. It's less dangerous.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2010, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 15, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
As a realist, I know that there is no helping people who don't want to be saved.
But I want to believe.
Then believe in the tooth fairy. It's less dangerous.
:x <-- wailing and gnashing of teeth.
There's no saving anyone else, Dok. At best we can put out the means, and offer a hand, but from there it's down to the individual to haul their own ass out. No use mentioning the scum who keep insisting they CAN be saved with just ONE MORE HANDOUT. Bodhisatvas will only inherit a planet full of miserable entitled shitheads, then they too will have to admit some people are a waste, and move on.
Richter, you make a good point. But what about those who really DO need that one lat handout, because their last one was so many time periods ago, and they weren't ready, weren't BIPEDAL enough for it? There are those who can't be helped, and those who can, and quite often they are one and the same. You just have to catch them ready for it.
Then we need a dating service between them and the sucker that's born every minute. :lulz:
On serious note; has to fall to call it like you see it. Imperfect, but shit, when has this race done anything clean and fair?
bump
This was, well, is a good thread.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 23, 2007, 06:56:33 AM
Apparently, at least one or two of you have misunderstood everything I've tried
to say for the last few years. You've missed the point, so I guess I'm gonna
have to explain my position in small words. Tell me if I'm typing this too fast
for you.
Look, when I bitched about the republic being dead, and freedom being a dying
art, I wasn't telling you to ACCEPT these hideous truths! I wasn't telling you
to give up, and roll into a fetal ball in the corner! Goddammit, you'd BETTER
holler when the rock hits you, because when you're dead, you'll shut up like
hell!
And when I wrote "or kill me", just what the fuck did you think I was trying to
say? Well, let me tell you one last hideous truth...there IS freedom, but
nobody is going to give it to you. Not your rich parents. Not your
"government" (har har!). Your military isn't fighting for your freedom
(and if you think they are, boy do I have a real estate deal for you!).
No, you'll just have to take it for yourself, just like those asstards back in the 18th century. And if they try to stop you, you have to kick them in the jimmy. And you'll have to kick them until they let you have your freedom, or until they kill you. And until they do, you'd better live a life WORTHY of a free person! Don't just eat that cheeseburger, eat the HELL out of it! Go nuts! Kick shit over, have a blast, and enjoy what little time you get before they bring the hammer down on you!
Shit, do you think they're gonna let me get away with MY shit forever? They've
already tried to lock me up twice, and three times is a charm. No, one day I'll
disappear...I'll just stop showing up, and you'll wonder why for a little while,
and then you'll get back to bickering about music, etc, and I'll fade from your
memory. Just another foul-mouthed thug from the Southwest, who tried to bring
back the Wild West and failed.
Until the day they come for YOU. Oh, and they WILL. Maybe not Bush and his
crew...they're on their last legs. But maybe Hillary and HER crew...you ARE a disruptive bunch, and you'll never make it on Oprah. So maybe you'll be shunted off to a re-education camp in New Hampshire, where you'll be beaten like a rat every day, for your own good.
And on THAT day, friends, you'll wish you'd listened. You'll wish you'd grabbed
that ephemeral thing we call "freedom" by the neck and choked the shit out of
it. You'll wish you realized earlier what you stood to lose. Well, at first.
In a month or so, you'll start responding to the therapy, and you'll wonder what
all the fuss was about. The sun will shine down onto your grey pajamas, and
even the mud of the camp recreation area will look warm and inviting. You'll
realize that They really do love you, even when you're bad. And you love them.
You love Big Brother.
Bang.
Or Kill Me.
While people are busy selling Freedom
tm, just taking it feels like stealing.