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Started by Placid Dingo, February 13, 2011, 12:34:23 PM

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Placid Dingo

I was thinking about a project I would find interesting, and will get onto when my plate clears a little (which will not be any time soon).

The idea is a 'Discordian' work designed as a collection of herectical texts intended to criticise, warn against and generally disprove of discordianism itself. I can see so many interesting ideas that could come out of it. This came out of the kind of idea that most discordians generally are fairly open about slagging off their own religion/ideology.

I'll come back to this thread when I'm good to start in earnest.

Thoughts?
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Cainad (dec.)

I recall having an idea to put together an Intermittens with this theme. For some reason my lazy ass couldn't get around to finding all the relevant anti-discordian essays and such that I'm 95% sure exist on this very forum.

I think it's a top-notch idea, personally.

Phox

I'd help with it. Sounds fun.

BadBeast

I think it's an admirable idea. All other Religions have reams and reams of spurious bullshit written about them by their market competitors, but we can pre-empt this by producing all sorts of "Discordianism ruined my wife" type testaments. Cult warnings, "It happened to me" type stuff. Feed them out into the general "paranoic about everything"  peoples / pages / even  asking Cult deprogrammers for advice and shit! Kidnap a cult deprogammer , on the pretence of having an intervention, and program him using some MKUltra Fu, and turn him loose with a pile of false documents that he thinks he's liberated from the Really real real unknown rulers of the Apple Cultists. Or something. I dunno.     
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BadBeast

typo. I meant "Discordians ruined my Wine"  :lulz:
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

BadBeast

Turned a respectable Petit Chablis into vinegar, with a glance of their Laser eyes.
(I WAS LIVID!)
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Faust

Get concordia guy to help you.
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Quote from: Faust on February 13, 2011, 07:30:19 PM
Get concordia guy to help you.

Yeah, the Concordia guy had a great run at this shtick. I think Enrico knows who he is (figures he knows the Salazorean, right?)

I'd also recommend "warnings" about other cults (the Raeleans have been in the news w/ Wikileaks recently), but have the warnings about the other religions make little to no sense. (Catholicism: The Friday Barbecues suck. Priests are very friendly and wish to help you explore your sexuality, and then condemn it. Offers wonderful networking opportunities with shadowy Italian crime conspiracies.)
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Placid Dingo

Luckily, I believe Concordia guy us very much amongst us.

On top of the kind if parody angle, I'm also interested in sincere criticism.

There's a letter actually from the apocrypha which is along the Concordia lines, iirc.

It's good to see some energy in this, I'll try to give out an offering in around a week.
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Phox

Quote from: BadBeast on February 13, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
typo. I meant "Discordians ruined my Wine"  :lulz:
That's what I thought you said.

I'll try to come up with some Jack Chick-esque rant on Discordia sometime this week.

Placid Dingo

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I took a serious angle to mine, but let this take you wherever you want it to; I'll probably look at compiling these into a PDF if there's enough.


Playing the same game
In our western society, it pays to be a Christian. It has political value, social value and offers a set of easy to understand conceptual points that are useful for discussing the human experience.

However, we reject this. We are instead Discordians, and are miles ahead of the game. Or so we think...

What a crock.

Our philosophy fundamentally proposes that there is a single state of the universe, but we need to divide it into various frames. Some are nicer than others, some are more useful and some are more interesting.

So for starters, we can note that all we're really up to is playing with frames.

Why choose Discordia over Christianity? Or for that matter, Islam, Shinto or any other majority religion.

So, maybe you don't believe homosexuality is wrong. Or in heaven. Well, shit, so what? That sixteen year old with a silver cross around her neck doesn't think gays are punished for their love. Christians believe unproven things out of convenience all the time; there's no reason you should be the exception. We act the way we choose to, with varying consistency. Discordians of all people should understand the value of paradox. What we indulge as a beautiful element of our faith, we despise in other religions as 'hypocrisy'. What is this but the very same religious arrogance that we see ourselves so far above?

Or is it an issue that they believe in God, when your views are more atheistic? Take a step back buddy; you're associating yourself with worshippers of the Greek goddess of Strife. Why? Because sometimes, for cultural, personal, political or just recreational reasons, it's useful to believe things that just aren't true.

So, some Christians take it too seriously and picket soldiers funerals. And? Some Discordians eat hot dog buns on Friday and live and breathe pinealism. Just exactly when the hell did Discordia get the exclusive rights to the idea of 'don't take shit too seriously'? You can score similar hyperbole from the Discordians about greyfaces to the ranting of Christians about Muslims. In both cases, there just needs to be a little more breathing and less yelling.

Perhaps the most savage indictment against Discordia is that it is an obstacle in front of its own mission. By pinning your fnords to your chest you make the statement that, unlike the others, you are hip to the way things are, and are above all the deceptions. Of course that only leaves you with a sense of smugness in place of a critical mind.

We think of ourselves as playing the better games in the playground, but the truth is that we're just playing with a smaller group, and patting each other on the back for doing so. There is no reason for the rejection of Christianity (or any other majority religion) other that a vain attempt to subvert the mainstream. Jesus the political figure, God screwing with Job, Jonah in the whale, Jesus murdering innocent figs, God playing Moses and Pharoh off against eachother, the delightfully flawed Sampson's bizarre adventures (including a beating a gang of thugs the fuck down with an ass's jawbone); if a pair of hippies had invented Christianity in the 1960's and photocopied a bunch of the stories, we'd be all over it like a rash. Instead we act as though the niche appeal of Discordia makes it a kind of art form. Which is OK if you're the kind of person who thinks Radiohead were like, totally cool, until they got popular.

When Yann Martel wrote the introduction to Life of Pi he told us that it was a story that would make us believe in God. Not because it was so convincing, but because it talked to the part of us that needs faith in something, not always because it's true or even important, but because it's beautiful, or clever, or fun.

Is Discordia a useful frame? Of course. But in a society where identifying with a mainstream, known religion, that Discordia itself acknowledges to be true (in some sense) is of social benefit, choosing to lock yourself into the lesser respected frame is like wandering into school with a pornographic T-shirt; great to get noticed, wedgied and suspended, but hard to make friends, or a difference, and doesn't make you any better than those jackasses wearing Ben Sherman shirts.
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