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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Faust on January 11, 2010, 02:05:28 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:01:27 AM
Quote from: Faust on January 11, 2010, 02:00:01 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 01:55:36 AM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 01:54:12 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 01:49:26 AM

Morality: a system of values regarding right and wrong.

I have a moral system, others have different ones.

Now you're just being glib.  I didn't ask for a definition, saying that morality is a system of right and wrong is tautological.  You say that you don't believe in objective morality, but subjective morality is no different from taste.  You say "I have a moral system, others have different ones."  Are they all equally valid?


No.  Mine is more valid.

See how that works?
So the conflict between peoples moral system can have an outcome a positive outcome on one and a negative on the other. As soon as notions of power play or the realization that we are all trapped in a fish bowel, ideas of all morality being equal get thrown out the window.

As the Judge once told me, back in the bad old days, "Wrong is poor and weak; Right is rich and powerful."
Whenever I see these discussions the power play of morality is always ignored, and its probably the most important part because it is the reality and the actualization of morality.
Its shaking the shit out of it and seeing does it still work afterward.

Yep.  Any philosophical model that ignores brute force is nothing more than mental masturbation.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Shai Hulud

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:03:41 AM

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 01:55:36 AM
No.  Mine is more valid.

See how that works?

I hate to facepalm twice in one thread but:
:facepalm:

[Edit: This is just nihilism.  Sorry, but I don't swing that way.]

How can one be self-centered and a nihilist at the same time?

I am neither.  As a Mexica Rain God, the normal rules do not apply to me.

You don't have to like me or what I have to say, Rog, but I'm here to talk about stuff that interests me, not kowtow to somebody who doesn't care about human morality.  Keep your masturbation to yourself like a polite Rain God, don't spew it all over me.  Morality actually matters, whatever the fuck you think.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:08:12 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:03:41 AM

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 01:55:36 AM
No.  Mine is more valid.

See how that works?

I hate to facepalm twice in one thread but:
:facepalm:

[Edit: This is just nihilism.  Sorry, but I don't swing that way.]

How can one be self-centered and a nihilist at the same time?

I am neither.  As a Mexica Rain God, the normal rules do not apply to me.

You don't have to like me or what I have to say, Rog, but I'm here to talk about stuff that interests me, not kowtow to somebody who doesn't care about human morality.  Keep your masturbation to yourself like a polite Rain God, don't spew it all over me.  Morality actually matters, whatever the fuck you think.

No corn for you, fucker.

ETA:  You may also notice that I was responding to JohNyx, Sparky.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Epimetheus

Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on January 11, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
I take the Aristotelian position that happiness is the higher good. That said, I enjoy the hell out of being an asshole.

Your take is more like Max Stirner's.

I like Stirner. I don't necessarily totally agree with him, but I too am strongly individualistic. Why did you think we're similar?
POST-SINGULARITY POCKET ORGASM TOAD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS

Faust

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:08:12 AM
Morality actually matters, whatever the fuck you think.
I don't think he was saying that, if anything I think he was goading you into discussing it on a realistic level. As with the brute force comments above.
(I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth roger).
Sleepless nights at the chateau

The Johnny

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:03:41 AM

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 01:55:36 AM
No.  Mine is more valid.

See how that works?

I hate to facepalm twice in one thread but:
:facepalm:

[Edit: This is just nihilism.  Sorry, but I don't swing that way.]

How can one be self-centered and a nihilist at the same time?

I am neither.  As a Mexica Rain God, the normal rules do not apply to me.

Yes i know oh Rain God, all dualisms and parallels become One in you!
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Faust on January 11, 2010, 02:10:56 AM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:08:12 AM
Morality actually matters, whatever the fuck you think.
I don't think he was saying that, if anything I think he was goading you into discussing it on a realistic level. As with the brute force comments above.
(I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth roger).

Hush.  It's funnier this way.   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Shai Hulud

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:09:38 AM
ETA:  You may also notice that I was responding to JohNyx, Sparky.

Get a room them.  Once you say it, it's out there for us all to tear apart.

The Johnny

Quote from: Epimetheus on January 11, 2010, 02:10:50 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on January 11, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
I take the Aristotelian position that happiness is the higher good. That said, I enjoy the hell out of being an asshole.

Your take is more like Max Stirner's.

I like Stirner. I don't necessarily totally agree with him, but I too am strongly individualistic. Why did you think we're similar?

The part that completely disregards others.  :wink:
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:11:10 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:03:41 AM

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 01:55:36 AM
No.  Mine is more valid.

See how that works?

I hate to facepalm twice in one thread but:
:facepalm:

[Edit: This is just nihilism.  Sorry, but I don't swing that way.]

How can one be self-centered and a nihilist at the same time?

I am neither.  As a Mexica Rain God, the normal rules do not apply to me.

Yes i know oh Rain God, all dualisms and parallels become One in you!

Yeah, but I have to wear this to work every day:



FML.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Johnny

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:12:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:09:38 AM
ETA:  You may also notice that I was responding to JohNyx, Sparky.

Get a room them.  Once you say it, it's out there for us all to tear apart.

A room with me? Fuck you, at least i was trying to be civil and have a constructive argument.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:12:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:09:38 AM
ETA:  You may also notice that I was responding to JohNyx, Sparky.

Get a room them.  Once you say it, it's out there for us all to tear apart.

Why, thank you for explaining how forums work, Little Dickey!     :lulz:

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Shai Hulud

Quote from: Faust on January 11, 2010, 02:10:56 AM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:08:12 AM
Morality actually matters, whatever the fuck you think.
I don't think he was saying that, if anything I think he was goading you into discussing it on a realistic level. As with the brute force comments above.
(I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth roger).

He should have said it then.  He thinks it's fun, so do I.  Nothing personal meant to any of you.

Same goes for you Roger, I hope you don't take my posts as a personal attack or anything, I'm just responding in kind.  It's a game, it's why I come to the discordian boards.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: JohNyx on January 11, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
Quote from: Guy Incognito on January 11, 2010, 02:12:06 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:09:38 AM
ETA:  You may also notice that I was responding to JohNyx, Sparky.

Get a room them.  Once you say it, it's out there for us all to tear apart.

A room with me? Fuck you, at least i was trying to be civil and have a constructive argument.

Johnyx, you weren't here for DK or any of the other philosophical geniuses.  Watch as hilarity ensues. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Shai Hulud

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 11, 2010, 02:14:25 AM
Why, thank you for explaining how forums work, Little Dickey!     :lulz:

Seems like you need it!  Now why don't you go someplace else and bitch about how Wiccan chicks wont have sex with you.