So...
I'm fairly new to the whole discordian thang.
I've read PD, I've read most(almost all) of the books linked on poee.co.uk, I got to about page 155 of Illuminatus Trilogy and got bored, I enjoy reading posts here and elsewhere, but...
1) I don't smoke pot. Not because I have anything against it, I just don't have convenient access. Does this somehow make me undiscordian?
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
3) There seems to be a lot of in-crowd lingo and humor and understanding that I don't get as an outsider. Should I care, and why if so?
1) Smoking pot is not necessary. In fact, reliance on pot can be a very bad thing for someone who has things they want to achieve, and as one some people say, it's a tool of The Con.
2) Do as you will. Don't feel you have to think a certain way: question everything and come to your own conclusions. If you are philosophically a Discordian, it does not preclude faith in a God. And any of the order trips you've been on should perhaps teach you that ANY trip is an illusion. Yes, most of us here are folks who like a bit of disorder, but you don't have to be to "fit in". Think For Yourself, Schmuck!
3) As a community the injokes in PD are complex and have a lot of history. You'll pick up on the ones that you like. you'll ignore or remain ignorant of others. It's not necessary to know them, but they help bind us together as a community. Let's face it, no one ever said that we aren't just as bad a collection of shit flinging monkeys.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
What changed?
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
Don't claim the discordian meme. Just kinda let it flavor your life (at least, the bits of which you like the flavor.) Don't take it seriously - SRS Christians, SRS atheists, even SRS agnostics are not all that different. Use it as a model for thinking - and then rotate through your other perspectives and see how other ways of thinking work for you.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
3) There seems to be a lot of in-crowd lingo and humor and understanding that I don't get as an outsider. Should I care, and why if so?
Rules of Thumbs:
If somebody says something terrible and condescending to you, they're probably being sarcastic. Unless it's The Good Reverend Roger. Either way, don't respond in kind - you'll start a flame war in the first place, or lose one in the second.
If someone quotes you in a reply with a picture of mittens, you're doing something right.
If someone asks you to back up a point with physics, just admit you're wrong. It saves time. Alternatively, learn physics. Never use the word quantum, ever.
Quote from: Risus on October 01, 2008, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
What changed?
When I was in real pain, both physical and mental/emotional, and all I got was platitudes that seemed to me like what a con man would dish out to string someone along, I felt like something was amiss. I started questioning everything I was taught was true. After about 5 years of that I quit christianity and decided I was an atheist. Maybe I'm still an atheist, maybe not, I haven't figured it out. I'm happy and that's what matters.
Problem with atheism for me is that I dislike most atheists that I meet, and they mostly seem to dislike me.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 02:19:53 AM
Quote from: Risus on October 01, 2008, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
What changed?
When I was in real pain, both physical and mental/emotional, and all I got was platitudes that seemed to me like what a con man would dish out to string someone along, I felt like something was amiss. I started questioning everything I was taught was true. After about 5 years of that I quit christianity and decided I was an atheist. Maybe I'm still an atheist, maybe not, I haven't figured it out. I'm happy and that's what matters.
Problem with atheism for me is that I dislike most atheists that I meet, and they mostly seem to dislike me.
Thing is, it's maybe the church (whichever one) that you're really upset at. Maybe you NEED to have God in there somewhere, and have your own interpretation of whats going on with that.
That's a possibility.
Another thing to remember is that not all churches are communities, and not all communities are churches, but they do have some things in common. Little bits of order lying around the place that are common to each. This is because we are only human, and we like to "humanise" little organisations like these.
All you can do to get over these hurdles is work at your perception of them or work to directly change them.
Maybe you aren't a discordian activist, if so what you need to do is assess how you view the church or the community.
None of the above makes you a "good" or "bad" discordian. Some of it may mean you won't fit in so well to
this community, or it may mean you fit in really well, but none of us know it yet.
TFY,S! And you'll get somewhere, eventually.
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 01:51:42 AM
1) Smoking pot is not necessary. In fact, reliance on pot can be a very bad thing for someone who has things they want to achieve, and as one some people say, it's a tool of The Con.
That makes sense. thanks.
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 01:51:42 AM
2) Do as you will. Don't feel you have to think a certain way: question everything and come to your own conclusions. If you are philosophically a Discordian, it does not preclude faith in a God. And any of the order trips you've been on should perhaps teach you that ANY trip is an illusion. Yes, most of us here are folks who like a bit of disorder, but you don't have to be to "fit in". Think For Yourself, Schmuck!
Kool. I found very little to disagree with in PD and in most of the other online books I read on the subject, so I guess I am philosophically a discordian. Except I have a hard time buying or believing in some of the connections to some of the 'Magick' type stuff. Mostly on that I feel like I'll have to see it to believe it. That may be my skepticism trip kicking in, but I don't know how to get around that without feeling conned, hehe.
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 01:51:42 AM3) As a community the injokes in PD are complex and have a lot of history. You'll pick up on the ones that you like. you'll ignore or remain ignorant of others. It's not necessary to know them, but they help bind us together as a community. Let's face it, no one ever said that we aren't just as bad a collection of shit flinging monkeys.
pretty much what i figured. Thanks!
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 02:28:33 AM
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 01:51:42 AM
2) Do as you will. Don't feel you have to think a certain way: question everything and come to your own conclusions. If you are philosophically a Discordian, it does not preclude faith in a God. And any of the order trips you've been on should perhaps teach you that ANY trip is an illusion. Yes, most of us here are folks who like a bit of disorder, but you don't have to be to "fit in". Think For Yourself, Schmuck!
Kool. I found very little to disagree with in PD and in most of the other online books I read on the subject, so I guess I am philosophically a discordian. Except I have a hard time buying or believing in some of the connections to some of the 'Magick' type stuff. Mostly on that I feel like I'll have to see it to believe it. That may be my skepticism trip kicking in, but I don't know how to get around that without feeling conned, hehe.
Heh, you will find almost every single person on this board agrees with you on the mahdjiquebebel score. That's really more the "theistic" hippie side of discordianism, and is something that most of us here have moved away from
qv The Black Iron Prison.
Here, we're more about the perception (filters and grids, law of fives) side of it, and we dip our toes into the muddy waters of O:MF, satire and various other things that came from the PD or from works inspired by it.
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 02:33:04 AM
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 02:28:33 AM
Quote from: Payne on October 01, 2008, 01:51:42 AM
2) Do as you will. Don't feel you have to think a certain way: question everything and come to your own conclusions. If you are philosophically a Discordian, it does not preclude faith in a God. And any of the order trips you've been on should perhaps teach you that ANY trip is an illusion. Yes, most of us here are folks who like a bit of disorder, but you don't have to be to "fit in". Think For Yourself, Schmuck!
Kool. I found very little to disagree with in PD and in most of the other online books I read on the subject, so I guess I am philosophically a discordian. Except I have a hard time buying or believing in some of the connections to some of the 'Magick' type stuff. Mostly on that I feel like I'll have to see it to believe it. That may be my skepticism trip kicking in, but I don't know how to get around that without feeling conned, hehe.
Heh, you will find almost every single person on this board agrees with you on the mahdjiquebebel score. That's really more the "theistic" hippie side of discordianism, and is something that most of us here have moved away from qv The Black Iron Prison.
Here, we're more about the perception (filters and grids, law of fives) side of it, and we dip our toes into the muddy waters of O:MF, satire and various other things that came from the PD or from works inspired by it.
THIS is the real magiaoqkoiewupoque anyway.
Quote from: GA on October 01, 2008, 02:04:49 AM
Don't claim the discordian meme. Just kinda let it flavor your life (at least, the bits of which you like the flavor.) Don't take it seriously - SRS Christians, SRS atheists, even SRS agnostics are not all that different. Use it as a model for thinking - and then rotate through your other perspectives and see how other ways of thinking work for you.
Seems like good advice. I don't think i know how to take on the discordian meme at this point anyway.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
1) I don't smoke pot. Not because I have anything against it, I just don't have convenient access. Does this somehow make me undiscordian?
No, but wondering whether you're undiscordian is undiscordian
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:hashishim:
Quote2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
Don't replace Christ with Eris.
in fact, replace
replacing things with Eris.
Quote3) There seems to be a lot of in-crowd lingo and humor and understanding that I don't get as an outsider. Should I care, and why if so?
It's kind of like walking into some stranger's conversation. It won't make sense at first, but you'll pick up the relevant bits fast.
Apple Talk has the most buzz and in-jokes. If you like meater conversations, they're generally anywhere but Apple Talk.
hey welcome aboard. You'll have to make up what Discordian means for you. Speaking from experience, identifying yourself as a Discordian
highly raises the chances of bumping into weird lunatics who are even crazier and more hilarious than you'd expect. The best kind of weird batshit stuff happens to Discordians, if you're up for it.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 02:19:53 AM
Quote from: Risus on October 01, 2008, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
What changed?
When I was in real pain, both physical and mental/emotional, and all I got was platitudes that seemed to me like what a con man would dish out to string someone along, I felt like something was amiss. I started questioning everything I was taught was true. After about 5 years of that I quit christianity and decided I was an atheist. Maybe I'm still an atheist, maybe not, I haven't figured it out. I'm happy and that's what matters.
Problem with atheism for me is that I dislike most atheists that I meet, and they mostly seem to dislike me.
It might just be that you just haven't found the right variety of Christianity.
Or the right variety of Atheism.
Or the right crowd of either.
Yeah, that could be. The whole idea of taking some form of christianity back up is a weird thought that I'll have to think on. Playing at being a christian as an order game with an awareness of it as an order game is a serious mind fuck. And I've been away from it long enough, since 2003, that I dont' think I could get sucked back in.
Interesting. Y'all are already fucking with my head in kool ways. Happy I asked.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
I got to about page 155 of Illuminatus Trilogy and got bored
That doesn't surprise me at all... Illuminatus! is one of those books where your reaction to it depends immensely on the age you are at when you read it. If I read Illuminatus! now, it would definitely not effect me like it did when I was 16.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 02:28:33 AM
Except I have a hard time buying or believing in some of the connections to some of the 'Magick' type stuff. Mostly on that I feel like I'll have to see it to believe it. That may be my skepticism trip kicking in, but I don't know how to get around that without feeling conned, hehe.
You're not the only one. I would say that many discordians believe in the kind of magic you can muster with things like the Turkey Curse - for the most part, there is a healthy skepticism inherent in those who throw off organized religion. You may see a lot of Crowley talk, but I think most Discordians enjoy Crowley not for his purported magic, but for his ability to encode levels of meaning into his poetry and prose.
Quote from: Professor Mu-Chao on October 01, 2008, 03:09:17 AMYou may see a lot of Crowley talk, but I think most Discordians enjoy Crowley not for his purported magic, but for his ability to encode levels of meaning into his poetry and prose.
Got any suggestions of some good Crowley?
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: Professor Mu-Chao on October 01, 2008, 03:09:17 AMYou may see a lot of Crowley talk, but I think most Discordians enjoy Crowley not for his purported magic, but for his ability to encode levels of meaning into his poetry and prose.
Got any suggestions of some good Crowley?
See the recent posts at http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11834.30
The Book of Lies is great if you want poetry with lots of hidden meaning, in the tradition of alchemy. My non-poem work of his is Diary of a Drug Fiend.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 03:03:52 AM
Yeah, that could be. The whole idea of taking some form of christianity back up is a weird thought that I'll have to think on. Playing at being a christian as an order game with an awareness of it as an order game is a serious mind fuck. And I've been away from it long enough, since 2003, that I dont' think I could get sucked back in.
Interesting. Y'all are already fucking with my head in kool ways. Happy I asked.
Play whatever game you will - but play to win.
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for in a belief system?
Quote from: GA on October 01, 2008, 04:22:07 AM
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for in a belief system?
Now that is an awesome question.
Stupid as this may sound, I'm mostly looking for what works, for what enhances my daily life, for what gives meaning. Skepticism works, but it's dull and dry. Christianity is nice, but it either doesn't work or seems internally inconsistent(at least the flavors I've tried). Zen Buddhism intrigues me, but feels like a con job to me. I have Jewish blood sufficient to count as a Jew to the Rabbi's, and I've considered Judaism. Looks interesting to me. I like the community aspect of Judaism, but I wonder how they'd accept my approach of playing, and playing to win as regards religion. Islam looks horrible to me. The sufi branch of islam looks intriguing, but it's ties with the rest of islam kinda throws me off.
Discordianism as a religion seems intriguing, but I've never met any discordians outside the internet, so I have no clue how it'd play out in relationships outside of boards like this.
eh, i'ts all a con job...you just gotta pick the one that serves the best cookies.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 04:50:29 AM
Discordianism as a religion seems intriguing, but I've never met any discordians outside the internet, so I have no clue how it'd play out in relationships outside of boards like this.
That depends on the people, as with everything. I've lived with a Discordian before and it basically came down to our characteristics as people that made it what it was. Which is to say, impermanent.
On the other hand, last KCon was friendly and congenial. Everyone was basically pleasant and productive. My only possible conclusion is that they bicker in small numbers or over the net, but come together and kick some ass in person.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 04:50:29 AM
Quote from: GA on October 01, 2008, 04:22:07 AM
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for in a belief system?
Now that is an awesome question.
Stupid as this may sound, I'm mostly looking for what works, for what enhances my daily life, for what gives meaning. Skepticism works, but it's dull and dry. Christianity is nice, but it either doesn't work or seems internally inconsistent(at least the flavors I've tried). Zen Buddhism intrigues me, but feels like a con job to me. I have Jewish blood sufficient to count as a Jew to the Rabbi's, and I've considered Judaism. Looks interesting to me. I like the community aspect of Judaism, but I wonder how they'd accept my approach of playing, and playing to win as regards religion. Islam looks horrible to me. The sufi branch of islam looks intriguing, but it's ties with the rest of islam kinda throws me off.
Discordianism as a religion seems intriguing, but I've never met any discordians outside the internet, so I have no clue how it'd play out in relationships outside of boards like this.
I'd recommend trying out different religious groups until you find one that you can't immediately poke holes in its internal consistency. (Or at least a teacher who you can't "beat" in a philosophical discussion.) Stick with it until you figure out why it's wrong, or you die, whichever comes first.
I'm going to ignore what everyone else has already said and just go back to the OP:
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 01:43:02 AM
So...
I'm fairly new to the whole discordian thang.
I've read PD, I've read most(almost all) of the books linked on poee.co.uk, I got to about page 155 of Illuminatus Trilogy and got bored, I enjoy reading posts here and elsewhere, but...
1) I don't smoke pot. Not because I have anything against it, I just don't have convenient access. Does this somehow make me undiscordian?
I really hope not since I have never smoked pot in my life. I've never done any drugs, actually (unless you count alcohol). I don't know how I ended up here with all of these pot heads.
Quote2) I spent the first 37 or so years of my life a rabid christian, then about 5 years a disaffected christian, and then about 5 years an atheist/skeptic. I feel like I traded from one order game to another order game to another order game. I'm sick of that. Any suggestions on breaking out of the cycle? I feel like I don't mind order games, or disorder games, but don't want to be stuck in a cycle like that. I could easily start calling myself a discordian, but feel like I could easily be just doing an equivalent trade to what I've already done.
Sounds similar to me. I was a Methodist for a dozen years and then slowly stopped believing. And I definitely know what you mean about getting stuck in the "skeptical" trip. I've been stuck there lately too. Every so often you have to hit yourself in the head and say, "Shut up, brain!!! Faeries are real!!!!"
:hosrie:
Quote3) There seems to be a lot of in-crowd lingo and humor and understanding that I don't get as an outsider. Should I care, and why if so?
It's a strange memeplex but you get used to it eventually. Stick around long enough and you'll figure it out. If something is too confusing, just ask. We won't bite... much.
i don't really identify as 'discordian'. unless it's useful in the moment. it began like a sort of fungus around the taint...then it grew the more i questioned reality...now it seriously burns-to-pee. it's like an overcoat...a nice set of trousers i wear when i'm bein naughty. it's nice to take off when i don't need them. when involved in some sort of attempt to change my environment discordianism provides a sort of contextual framework within which to work.
because....well....because its fun to have an in-group who have the balls to tell you that you're FUCKIN DOING IT WRONG!
you don't need a belief system....all you need is a good laugh. and THAT'S THE TRUTH
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You can make your own Discordia. The great thing, which you will find as you go, is that your own personal Discordia may well become the basis for some of the ridiculous in-jokes around here.
Everybody's Discordia is different
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No questions from initiates.
Your mind would not begin to comprehend the answers without correct preparation. This preparation begins now.
Find the nearest sink, and take a shit in it. Record this event in some way for prosperity.
Do this every day for a week, then return to me with evidence of your results. Then you will take the next step.
Quote from: Cain on October 01, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
No questions from initiates.
Your mind would not begin to comprehend the answers without correct preparation. This preparation begins now.
Find the nearest sink, and take a shit in it. Record this event in some way for prosperity.
Do this every day for a week, then return to me with evidence of your results. Then you will take the next step.
Thank you for the offer of being my sensei, O Master Cain, but I decline. I'm not any good at being an initiate.
THEN YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE PSYCHIATRY DISCORDIANISM!
please go stand by the sink?
Ale, as far as I'm concerned, you're well on your way.
Anyhow, here's some more thoughts:
As far as Magiqueh goes, the furthest most people will go on this board is that it's style of conditioning and self-hypnosis that will change the way you perceive things. Which isn't really a bad part; the bad part is that's it's dressed up in frippery and pretention, and often claims that the effects are external.
Any occult leanings most of us have (like the SSOOKN) are fully aware of this, but we think it's fun (and we don't claim objective results).
As far as "finding a religion" goes: most of us have come to the conclusion that a religion that was made up by someone else doesn't really fit us very well; so we create our own. "Eris" means something different to each person... Which is a really fun way to start an argument.
Hold on... I have a Theosophy thread up on the roof... I'll bump it for you.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 01, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
please go stand by the sink?
well, more like "crouch by the sink."
I believe this particular technique is known, at least to HIMEOBS operatives as "Crouching Agent, Hidden Shit".
What's a HIMEOBS?
Anyone above the rank of Adept (Level 3) in the Temple can petition to be inducted into the HIMEOBS mysteries.
HIMEOBS sounds fun (starts fiddling with the mail order orbital missile control he got in the mail yesterday...)
Quote from: Cain on October 01, 2008, 02:20:31 PM
Anyone above the rank of Adept (Level 3) in the Temple can petition to be inducted into the HIMEOBS mysteries.
But don't forget, HIMEOBS doesn't exist. If HIMEOBS did exist, then anyone above the rank of Adept in the Temple can be inducted into the mysteries.
Ale, you weren't an Objectivist, were you? Or maybe you were a non-Randite atheist hanging around Randites.
I studied Randian Objectivism a fair bit when I quit being a christian. I wouldn't say I was an objectivist though. I was never loyal to ayn rand. I liked some of her basic philosophical constructs, but not so much some of her extrapolations. How did she make the leap from Objectivism to supporting the republican party of Richard Nixon? Personal Preference. How did she make the leap from objectivism that Jazz Music is not rational and therefore none of her followers should enjoy Jazz? Personal Preference. But she never acknowledged that personal preference influenced her philosophical choices.
I've considered myself a Naturalist and Secular Humanist for Most of the last 5 years. It's still appealing in some ways to me. But I mostly feel stuck and trapped in a limited mindframe by saying that's what I am. I tend to not like the big government politics that the Secular Humanists Push, and that makes me unpopular. I'm somewhat of an anarchist in my politics; I pretty much hate all government. If I had a choice I'd pretty much remove all government above the City or County level. Secular Humanists freak when they hear me say things like that. As do the Randian Objectivists. I like the idea of protecting the environment, but individual freedom trumps that(not corporate freedom, individual freedom). I dislike abortion, but hate laws that would take away personal sovereignty to protect a fetus.
So I pretty much don't fit in any crowd I've been a part of before.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 04:17:10 PM
I studied Randian Objectivism a fair bit when I quit being a christian. I wouldn't say I was an objectivist though. I was never loyal to ayn rand. I liked some of her basic philosophical constructs, but not so much some of her extrapolations. How did she make the leap from Objectivism to supporting the republican party of Richard Nixon? Personal Preference. How did she make the leap from objectivism that Jazz Music is not rational and therefore none of her followers should enjoy Jazz? Personal Preference. But she never acknowledged that personal preference influenced her philosophical choices.
I've considered myself a Naturalist and Secular Humanist for Most of the last 5 years. It's still appealing in some ways to me. But I mostly feel stuck and trapped in a limited mindframe by saying that's what I am. I tend to not like the big government politics that the Secular Humanists Push, and that makes me unpopular. I'm somewhat of an anarchist in my politics; I pretty much hate all government. If I had a choice I'd pretty much remove all government above the City or County level. Secular Humanists freak when they hear me say things like that. As do the Randian Objectivists. I like the idea of protecting the environment, but individual freedom trumps that(not corporate freedom, individual freedom). I dislike abortion, but hate laws that would take away personal sovereignty to protect a fetus.
So I pretty much don't fit in any crowd I've been a part of before.
:lulz:
I can see why you don't want to put yourself in any of those boxes. You aren't actually any of them.
~~~Payne: Likes jazz.
Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 04:17:10 PMBut I mostly feel stuck and trapped in a limited mindframe by saying that's what I am.
Welcome to Discordianism. And watch out for TGRR's mind rays.
and his golden showers
Quote from: burnstoupee flapjacks on October 01, 2008, 07:25:54 PM
and his golden showers
Shut yer mouth, he is a kind and benevolent god.
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WOMP wouldn't lie to me.
Quote from: Vene on October 01, 2008, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: burnstoupee flapjacks on October 01, 2008, 07:25:54 PM
and his golden showers
Shut yer mouth, he is a kind and benevolent god.
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/akindandbenevolentraingod-1.jpg)
WOMP wouldn't lie to me.
In any case, Roger doesn't do Golden Showers. His urine consists almost entirely of grape juice.
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Quote from: Ale on October 01, 2008, 04:17:10 PM
I liked some of her basic philosophical constructs,
FAIL.