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Microsoft enters the AR space

Started by P3nT4gR4m, January 22, 2015, 09:20:19 AM

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P3nT4gR4m

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/

Truth be told I'm much more interested in AR than VR. Whilst VR will be cool for gaming and entertainment, AR has the potential to be a genuine cognitive upgrade, integrating our meatware with cloud AI much more tightly than screens and keyboard allow.

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The acquisition of minecraft makes a lot more sense now
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I do like that they show their product being used exclusively in private homes and offices, not wandering around town like a douche.

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That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2015, 06:48:34 AM
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Faust on January 22, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
The acquisition of minecraft makes a lot more sense now

Maybe one day they'll acquire Google if they established a market for AR business and design products.



Ay Pent, you ever seen a Nintendo DS in operation? Did a lot of what was described in the article but not immersively. Like you would lay down a coded card that would turn the table into a castle for instance.
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AR's been around for donkeys but the wearable display is the quantum leap. Not having to reach into your pocket and tap a screen to access your computation will make it seamless. No line of demarcation between meatspace and cyberspace, they'll essentially be the same thing from this point forward.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 23, 2015, 11:06:55 PM
AR's been around for donkeys but the wearable display is the quantum leap. Not having to reach into your pocket and tap a screen to access your computation will make it seamless. No line of demarcation between meatspace and cyberspace, they'll essentially be the same thing from this point forward.

Strange days coming indeed! I can't wait.
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

"Ayn Rand never swung a hammer in her life and had serious dominance issues" - The Fountainhead

"World domination is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to call it world optimisation."
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

"You program the controller to do the thing, only it doesn't do the thing.  It does something else entirely, or nothing at all.  It's like voting."
- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019

"It's not even chaos anymore. It's BANAL."
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 23, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2015, 06:48:34 AM
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/261272927_Signal_processing_advances_for_the_MUTE_sEMG-based_silent_speech_recognition_system

NASA was working on something too, but I have no idea what happened with that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 24, 2015, 02:37:14 AM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 23, 2015, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2015, 06:48:34 AM
That application sounds like fun, but I'm still waiting for the technology that translates subvocalizations to readable text so that we can have functional telepathy. Phone texting approaches it, but isn't quite there.

Sounds like voodoo to me. Last I heard they were still working on vocal-vocalizations. The last couple of years have covered a lot of ground on that front but there's still a ways to go in understanding context and following conversational threads. Are you talking about some research you know or is the subvocalization thing still strictly scifi?

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/261272927_Signal_processing_advances_for_the_MUTE_sEMG-based_silent_speech_recognition_system

NASA was working on something too, but I have no idea what happened with that.

Awesome! That would certainly be a game changer. I'm not currently paying much attention to BCI stuff, atm. The last I heard there was some kind of implantable chip but there were problems with the neural connections degrading (scarring?) over time. Non-invasive would definitely seem to be the way to go in the short term.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
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P3nT4gR4m

Just had a thought regarding this subvocalization malarkey. If you take understanding spoken language as a baseline, how far up or down is the fidelity required to grab music I play in my head?

I quite often invent whole bloody symphonies in my mind's ear but lack the dedication to figure out how to write it down in music language and then turn it into out loud shit. Only I get to listen to it. Would be the crown king of epic if I could just record the shit as it happened. Use it as backing tracks for kayaking vids.

Musicians and composers, spitting bullets about how it's just not cricket in 3... 2... 1...  :evil:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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LMNO

The main problem is, music in your brain isn't physical sound. The only way that would work is to invent a neuron reader.

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 26, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Just had a thought regarding this subvocalization malarkey. If you take understanding spoken language as a baseline, how far up or down is the fidelity required to grab music I play in my head?

I quite often invent whole bloody symphonies in my mind's ear but lack the dedication to figure out how to write it down in music language and then turn it into out loud shit. Only I get to listen to it. Would be the crown king of epic if I could just record the shit as it happened. Use it as backing tracks for kayaking vids.

Musicians and composers, spitting bullets about how it's just not cricket in 3... 2... 1... 

Perhaps if Pentagram would learn to read and fill a musical pentagram  :? :fnord:
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 26, 2015, 05:54:16 PM
The main problem is, music in your brain isn't physical sound. The only way that would work is to invent a neuron reader.

It seems to be mainly a problem with resolution and neural net density. Presumably those are going to increase over time. The neural nets themselves, I'd put money on. Bloody rapidly if the history of transistors on silicon is anything to go by. FuckifIknow with the brain scanners but it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe some

So once we have the tech in place, we scan at max resoution, umpteen images per second. So you play a known note or sound and then you tell the trainer guy to imagine it just so. Then spit the scanner output in the markov and crosslink the sound/note/tune with the scan.

Eventually you're catching notes and waveforms, then whole sequences of those, then it'll be polyphonic, multi tibral, symphonic... Remember the Moog? First stage - mental Stylophonetm Did you have those in the states?

It'd get interesting when you were applying enough horsepower

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
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High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 26, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Just had a thought regarding this subvocalization malarkey. If you take understanding spoken language as a baseline, how far up or down is the fidelity required to grab music I play in my head?

I quite often invent whole bloody symphonies in my mind's ear but lack the dedication to figure out how to write it down in music language and then turn it into out loud shit. Only I get to listen to it. Would be the crown king of epic if I could just record the shit as it happened. Use it as backing tracks for kayaking vids.

Musicians and composers, spitting bullets about how it's just not cricket in 3... 2... 1...  :evil:

Subvocalization is not direct neural activity, so the answer is that the two technologies are completely unrelated. There's this, though: http://www.livescience.com/47708-human-brain-link-sends-thoughts.html

I wouldn't get too excited about it and go making grandiose claims about what it means is possible or likely, though. Leave that to the media.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."