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Atlas Shrugged. April 15. Is your body ready?

Started by Prince Glittersnatch III, April 12, 2011, 12:09:02 AM

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Quote from: Luna on April 12, 2011, 04:20:49 AM
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Quote from: Luna on April 12, 2011, 04:17:51 AM
April 15th?  Sorry, busy, have to wash my cat and release the infuriated furball into the theater.

Fixed.

I see you've met my cat.   :lulz:

I'm not sure "met" is the right word..


edit: slightly improved joke.
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Quote from: Nigel on April 12, 2011, 01:03:26 AM
I like how people are supposed to "demand" that the movie be played in their town. :lulz: I think that the free market isn't gonna be on their side...

Indeed!

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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 12, 2011, 01:17:49 AM
Ive never read Atlas Shrugged (tl;dr) but I know Ayn Rand was really critical of religion, especially Christianity. How often is that brough up in Atlas Shrugged?

Hardly at all. Originally, James Taggart was going to be written as a conflicted, religious guy, but that was thrown out in favour of sticking to one dimension per character.

If you look at a lot of what Rand said, it's really, really obvious that she moderated her view of religion tactically through self-censorship to make Objectivism more saliable.  :lulz:

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Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.
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Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

:argh!:

He should have been down on his knees thanking all that's holy that she didn't geld him in his sleep.
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
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Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on April 12, 2011, 01:17:49 AM
Ive never read Atlas Shrugged (tl;dr) but I know Ayn Rand was really critical of religion, especially Christianity. How often is that brough up in Atlas Shrugged?

I read the Fountainhead and surprisingly enjoyed it, but I could not slog through Atlas Shrugged.  I gave it the college try, and made it about halfway through, but it's just not fun.

In the half I read religion wasn't brought up very often.  It's touched on in The Fountainhead, but still not much.


As for the copyright issues, I would imagine Objectivists are fine with it... it probably falls under property rights, which they are also heavily in favour of.  Objectivists aren't anarchists.
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hooplala

Quote from: Thurnez Isa on April 12, 2011, 01:34:05 AM
It's been about 10 years since I read it (and I have no plans to revisit it ever)
but I do remember it being anti-religious at least to a degree I came out of the book understanding that objectivism was indeed atheistic even without knowing anything about the philosophy previously.
I figure they will cut that part. It's technically not changing any of the dialogue if it isn't even there.
She also rejects families and family values completely. Figure that part might be cut out. Or maybe FreedomWorks actually doesn't realize who inhabits the tea party movement.

Um, how would that be cut out?  It's basically Rearden's entire plotline.
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hooplala

Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

The rape scene is in the Fountainhead... Atlas Shrugged just has rough sex, and lots of it.

Rand herself didn't consider the scene in the Fountainhead as rape, though by todays definitions it definitely is.  Hell even by definitions of rape in the 40s it probably was.  Rand herself said that if the scene was rape it was "rape by engraved invitation".

But she herself admitted she wasn't a feminist by a longshot, and was of the opinion that a woman's rightful role was as a "hero worshipper".
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

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Quote from: Luna on April 13, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

:argh!:

He should have been down on his knees thanking all that's holy that she didn't geld him in his sleep.

That would be the more common reaction. Bear in mind Ayn Rand and her boyfriend were both married to other people at the time, and they had their spouses' permission to date each other. Presumably because Ayn gave the wife the crazy eyes and scared her into agreeing. Mr. Rand probably agreed so he wouldn't have to sleep with her.
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Quote from: Luna on April 13, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

:argh!:

He should have been down on his knees thanking all that's holy that she didn't geld him in his sleep.

If it's the character I am thinking of they were BOTH bags of douche, and should have been gassed in their sleep.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

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Quote from: Doktor Blight on April 13, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 13, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

:argh!:

He should have been down on his knees thanking all that's holy that she didn't geld him in his sleep.

That would be the more common reaction. Bear in mind Ayn Rand and her boyfriend were both married to other people at the time, and they had their spouses' permission to date each other. Presumably because Ayn gave the wife the crazy eyes and scared her into agreeing. Mr. Rand probably agreed so he wouldn't have to sleep with her.

It's my humble opinion and definition that if you've got permission, it's not "cheating."  If your partner objects, it IS cheating.  I've seen long-term open relationships that work for all involved, and I've seen them explode fairly spectacularly.  
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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Quote from: Hoopla on April 13, 2011, 03:51:44 PM
The rape scene is in the Fountainhead... Atlas Shrugged just has rough sex, and lots of it.

Rand herself didn't consider the scene in the Fountainhead as rape, though by todays definitions it definitely is.  Hell even by definitions of rape in the 40s it probably was.  Rand herself said that if the scene was rape it was "rape by engraved invitation".

But she herself admitted she wasn't a feminist by a longshot, and was of the opinion that a woman's rightful role was as a "hero worshipper".

Atlas shrugged had the exact same scene, except she threw in a "yes" there, probably because of the crap she took from Fountainhead.   :lulz:
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Quote from: Luna on April 13, 2011, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on April 13, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: Luna on April 13, 2011, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Placid Dingo on April 13, 2011, 02:45:49 PM
Yeah. I read it this year and the anti-religion angle wasn't very clear.

Neither was there anything that was obviously rape, although I recall one character being mighty proud of the fact that he wasn't murdering his wife, seeing as how she was being terribly unfair by being critical of his cheating on her.

:argh!:

He should have been down on his knees thanking all that's holy that she didn't geld him in his sleep.

That would be the more common reaction. Bear in mind Ayn Rand and her boyfriend were both married to other people at the time, and they had their spouses' permission to date each other. Presumably because Ayn gave the wife the crazy eyes and scared her into agreeing. Mr. Rand probably agreed so he wouldn't have to sleep with her.

It's my humble opinion and definition that if you've got permission, it's not "cheating."  If your partner objects, it IS cheating.  I've seen long-term open relationships that work for all involved, and I've seen them explode fairly spectacularly.  

I agree, just saying that there may have been some conflict to that permission that may have inspired that sort of thing.
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Or, maybe I'm reading too much into it and go with the simpler explanation of Ayn Rand was a very fucked up woman.
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