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A List of Human Universals

Started by Cain, November 22, 2010, 01:57:08 PM

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Triple Zero

Found my old thread!

Universal People

(Just dug up the link, I haven't checked how much they correspond)
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Quote from: ELATIO on November 25, 2010, 09:00:57 AM
I wasn't saying that I don't find it interesting, but that I don't understand what its implications are.

To use your phrasing....so what?

I'm not here to think for you.  Figure it out for your damn self.

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Quote from: Subetai on November 25, 2010, 06:12:52 PM
To use your phrasing....so what?

I'm not here to think for you.  Figure it out for your damn self.

Okay. I'll post a list of things that are blue-colored, and then if you ask of what use it is, I'll tell you to figure it out yourself.
I mean, come on. You posted this list without explaining it at all. If you thought it had some use, why not say what that is?
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Kai

Hey. You.

Yeah YOU.

Do you want to understand humans? And by humans, I mean those fleshbags walking around? Well, you can't expect to start from singular stereotypes then, Mister. The first Law of Biology: Variation exists.

You got to look for UNIVERSALS.

You see, members of the species Homo sapiens sapiens are derived from a lineage brought about by evolution under natural selection. And as such, they share common traits which are universal to all members. Knowledge of these traits can give one insight into the whole. Insight allows one to predict behavior. Predicting behavior gives one power.

Need I go on?

The cultural anthropologists who cry out for postmodernism are missing the GODDAMN point. Either their hiding the fact that they don't know what the hell they are talking about, or hiding that they DO know what they are talking about with ideas that pull the opposite direction. There are human universals, and they are the most important traits for understanding all of humanity.

Jesus christ, do I really need to spell this shit out?
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Good ideas, all.
and thanks for the link Telarus.
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Quote from: ϗ on November 25, 2010, 07:40:13 PM
Hey. You.

Yeah YOU.

Do you want to understand humans? And by humans, I mean those fleshbags walking around? Well, you can't expect to start from singular stereotypes then, Mister. The first Law of Biology: Variation exists.

You got to look for UNIVERSALS.

You see, members of the species Homo sapiens sapiens are derived from a lineage brought about by evolution under natural selection. And as such, they share common traits which are universal to all members. Knowledge of these traits can give one insight into the whole. Insight allows one to predict behavior. Predicting behavior gives one power.

Need I go on?

The cultural anthropologists who cry out for postmodernism are missing the GODDAMN point. Either their hiding the fact that they don't know what the hell they are talking about, or hiding that they DO know what they are talking about with ideas that pull the opposite direction. There are human universals, and they are the most important traits for understanding all of humanity.

Jesus christ, do I really need to spell this shit out?

You do realize this list is *from* anthropologists right?
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I don't think that they're crying out for postmodernism.

I like this list because each one gives a great opportunity for introspection...some of which could go on forever.  It's neat to find out where I stand in relation to others in the same place.  Plus it's a nice reminder that we're all not alone in all of this.

Xieante Antitheus

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on November 25, 2010, 11:40:17 AM
Shame is an interesting thing, its supposedly the internalized morality of your surrounding society (or father figure, depends)... it could also be a byproduct of repression/sublimation...

Someone without shame is either a complete narcicissistic dick... or an animal.

Interesting. I like to believe I don't feel shame, however, I think it is more that I refuse to acknowledge it on some strange level.

Seems to me like there is no point...
"Oopsie, I fucked up"...
Put on list of things not to do again.
Done.

So does this put me in the category of narcissist or animal???

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Heh

I was in a meeting yesterday and we were talking about the usefulness of shame. Shame is only useful to us as a deterrent... it can never effectively be used as an incentive, yet various factions almost always forget that.
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Jasper

I dunno about shame, but I get embarrassed constantly.

Salty

I would use this list as a means for developing patience. I think it's beneficial to view human universals as being just that before making a judgment on what an individual human does, recognize the behavior as a universal one. What is there to gain, to lose, etc.

I like it.
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Jasper

I sent this list to a friend, and he was not immediately able to see why it is interesting.

So I gave it a think.

If you were to compile the list of all the universals that have to do with human language, then figure out what selective pressures caused them to evolve, you might figure out how to write a genetic algorithm that developed language learning abilities.  Or at least have an idea where to start.


The Johnny

Quote from: Xieante Antitheus on November 28, 2010, 05:10:36 AM
Interesting. I like to believe I don't feel shame, however, I think it is more that I refuse to acknowledge it on some strange level.

Denying the existance of your shame doesnt magically make it go away. Im sure you could think of an example of shame in your interpersonal interaction, unless, you are a sociopath, and dont do certain things just out of fear of retribution, and not just because you have empathy for others.

Quote from: Xieante Antitheus on November 28, 2010, 05:10:36 AM
Seems to me like there is no point...
"Oopsie, I fucked up"...
Put on list of things not to do again.
Done.

Shame can be pre-emptive, the "Oops, I fucked up" can be more related to guilt.

Quote from: Xieante Antitheus on November 28, 2010, 05:10:36 AM
So does this put me in the category of narcissist or animal???

Maybe just in the category of oppositional-defiant.
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Salty

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There ought to be some Godwin-type law referring to the use of the word sociopath in an argument.

I find the neutrality or permeability of these things fascinating. They're something we all share at some point, but we can often label them as faults or shortcomings. They're all variable, adaptable, fluid. Yet there lies a firmness in which we all have access to them at any time we please. Or not.
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