http://gawker.com/ipad-hacker-and-troll-weev-is-now-a-straight-up-white-1641763761
he went FULL FUCKING POTATO
All I know is that the commenter who said
QuoteSpeaking as another dark, hairy, pasty, neurotic nebbish with a German surname who wears Woody Allen glasses and a rabbi beard, I'd like to see a receipt for that Aryan blood, my brother.
...made me lol and lol.
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
I'm aware of that, but I thought it was intended satirically. Now I know....
:oops:
Quote from: Your Mom on October 04, 2014, 05:09:37 AM
All I know is that the commenter who said
QuoteSpeaking as another dark, hairy, pasty, neurotic nebbish with a German surname who wears Woody Allen glasses and a rabbi beard, I'd like to see a receipt for that Aryan blood, my brother.
...made me lol and lol.
:lulz:
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
I'm aware of that, but I thought it was intended satirically. Now I know....
:oops:
The intent was never satire, the intent was trolling. And judging by the reaction it worked.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 07, 2014, 04:19:29 AM
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
I'm aware of that, but I thought it was intended satirically. Now I know....
:oops:
The intent was never satire, the intent was trolling. And judging by the reaction it worked.
Yeah, I got the trolling part of it—that much was crystal clear—I just thought there was also a satirical valence to it.
I really want to write an article yelling at him for it, but the husband won't put his name to is. Which is a shame, because "beautifully executed hate speech body art" is a phrase that should be used.
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 07, 2014, 04:19:29 AM
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
I'm aware of that, but I thought it was intended satirically. Now I know....
:oops:
The intent was never satire, the intent was trolling. And judging by the reaction it worked.
Yeah, I got the trolling part of it—that much was crystal clear—I just thought there was also a satirical valence to it.
There probably is to a degree. Weevs "worldview" is a bizzare mishmash of hardcore fundamentalist christianity(openly declaring support for the westboro baptist church), spiritual use of peyote and the most utterly batshit anti-semetism he can find. He once wrote a blog post about how Shinto-ism was a deep cover infiltration of Japan by the Jews.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 08, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 07, 2014, 04:19:29 AM
Quote from: N E T on October 07, 2014, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 04, 2014, 06:15:09 AM
What the hell? Weevs been ranting about jews for years.
I'm aware of that, but I thought it was intended satirically. Now I know....
:oops:
The intent was never satire, the intent was trolling. And judging by the reaction it worked.
Yeah, I got the trolling part of it—that much was crystal clear—I just thought there was also a satirical valence to it.
There probably is to a degree. Weevs "worldview" is a bizzare mishmash of hardcore fundamentalist christianity(openly declaring support for the westboro baptist church), spiritual use of peyote and the most utterly batshit anti-semetism he can find. He once wrote a blog post about how Shinto-ism was a deep cover infiltration of Japan by the Jews.
It's so over the top I'm not sure whether that tattoo means what he likely wants us to believe it means. Racist tattoo means you're clearly a bona fide racist, right. Unless he's taking a troll to the wall. Or perhaps that's due to me not wanting to believe he's actually a racist...hmmm. Fascinating.
I wonder if it started as a kind of litmus test for free speech that eventually became internalized, or if weev has been able to maintain a distinction between what he actually believes and his troll persona. It would make a fitting last gag memoir to release when he dies, or in his old age.
(http://i.imgur.com/JB6opMR.jpg)
LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE DUCK, QUACKS LIKE DUCK = DUCK.
when you get to the point of becoming a walking Poe's Law in yourself then yuo has jumped the shark.
Quote from: Pope Pixie Pickle on October 09, 2014, 12:22:27 PM
LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE DUCK, QUACKS LIKE DUCK = DUCK.
when you get to the point of becoming a walking Poe's Law in yourself then yuo has jumped the shark.
Do ducks quack like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/NlaiCxW.jpg)
I'm so confused.
Ha-Ha-Hilarous ironic Misogyny, or just genuine misogyny.
What a charming fellow.
There's no point in trying to understand the logic of people who are mentally ill.
He's not mentally ill, he's an asshole.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 09, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
He's not mentally ill, he's an asshole.
What is your definition of mentally ill and why don't assholes fit in there?
The general stereotype is that those with mental illness deserve symphaty; but sociopathy is also a mental illness, so what do? :fnord:
Quote from: Ragret on October 09, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 09, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
He's not mentally ill, he's an asshole.
What is your definition of mentally ill and why don't assholes fit in there?
Assholes have the option of not being terrible and choose to be terrible anyway.
I've met the guy a couple times now, and while A) I am not a shrink and B) I am not his shrink, the dude does not come across as crazy. He decided a long time ago that this was the identity he wanted to run with. It's not an accident of brain chemistry or blameless ignorance, he's an asshole and he wants to be an asshole and I suspect this recent uptick in asshole behavior is directly related to all the non-assholes who have been saying nice things about him because of his case.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 09, 2014, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: Ragret on October 09, 2014, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 09, 2014, 07:43:36 PM
He's not mentally ill, he's an asshole.
What is your definition of mentally ill and why don't assholes fit in there?
Assholes have the option of not being terrible and choose to be terrible anyway.
I've met the guy a couple times now, and while A) I am not a shrink and B) I am not his shrink, the dude does not come across as crazy. He decided a long time ago that this was the identity he wanted to run with. It's not an accident of brain chemistry or blameless ignorance, he's an asshole and he wants to be an asshole and I suspect this recent uptick in asshole behavior is directly related to all the non-assholes who have been saying nice things about him because of his case.
I would argue that deliberately choosing an antisocial persona reflects a type of mental illness, inasmuch as personality disorders are fit to be categorized as mental illnesses.
It can be a hard idea to swallow, because it lumps some of the most noxious of humanity into the broad "mentally ill" category along with people with much more sympathetic issues. On the other hand, I think that the classification of "mental illness" is itself an obsolete category that will hopefully be, in time, replaced with more appropriate descriptive terms that break the actual illnesses into specific categories, much as how "neurodegenerative disease" has replaced terms like "senility" and "the palsy".
I'm interested in personality disorders specifically, because they have such anguish-inducing effects for people around the affected person, and are largely untreatable. I suspect they have a structural basis, but it's hard to get funding to study them (other than psychopathy) because they really aren't very sexy or sympathetic. I mean, if the diagnosis is "your personality is awful", nobody's going to feel sorry for you.
I'm going to be honest, I find people with most personality disorders completely fucking intolerable. But I am slowly starting to have some kind of pity for them, because in a real way, they are missing out on significant parts of what it is to experience being human.
One way that mental illness is categorized its by dividing it between those that hurt the possessor of it vs. the ones that hurt those that surround the possessor...
In simplifyed terms, depression would be on one end of the spectrum and sociopathy on the other... but it can be problematized of course and its just oneof many lenses.
Quote from: Your Mom on October 10, 2014, 03:35:22 AM
I mean, if the diagnosis is "your personality is awful", nobody's going to feel sorry for you.
:lulz:
Agreed, I also have a sense of pity for them as you mentioned for similar reasons.
I also have some sort of complex that wants there to be a decent human being "in there", somehow separate from their awful behavior. Perhaps it's just simple optimism... I don't know.
I wrote weev off years ago when he stalked that blogger on twitter and "dox'd" her because women shouldn't have big mouths on the internet or whatever crap he was spewing.
Quote from: N E T on October 10, 2014, 06:45:00 AM
Quote from: Your Mom on October 10, 2014, 03:35:22 AM
I mean, if the diagnosis is "your personality is awful", nobody's going to feel sorry for you.
:lulz:
Agreed, I also have a sense of pity for them as you mentioned for similar reasons.
I also have some sort of complex that wants there to be a decent human being "in there", somehow separate from their awful behavior. Perhaps it's just simple optimism... I don't know.
In my opinion, there's probably a structural/physiological root to most personality disorders, which is why they're so difficult to treat. However, I also think that in some cases, the brain can be trained to compensate for the deficits that underlie the disorder. The problem is, the kind of training that can reshape the brain and strengthen the functions that are compromised takes consistent work on the part of the person with the disorder, and given the nature of personality disorders that's unlikely. For example, how do you convince a narcissist that they need to work on improving themselves?
I have a book on the sociology of mental illness that I snorched off someone years ago, and one of the key messages from it that's stuck with me is this:
When someone is ill (physically or mentally), we have this unspoken agreement with them as a society on a whole. We will put up with your diminished capacity to be a person as long as you are taking reasonable steps to address your illness.
Obviously this can go wrong. Some of that attitude is behind the relentless optimism pinkwashing that breast cancer patients have to put up with, and mental health care is always kinda difficult to navigate. I do find myself consistently falling back on this position, though, with no remorse. If you're taking the steps to get better, I will put up with any amount of bullshit resulting from your current condition. If you have decided that you like being sick and everyone else just needs to put up with your shit and you don't need to do anything to improve your lot, well you made your decision and I don't owe you dick.
Writing it out like this makes it seem a little harsher than it did in my head, so maybe I'm in the wrong here, but someone like Weev who exults in his persona as a giant asshole? He should have to deal with people treating him like a giant asshole, not like a victim of brain chemistry. He has access literally to the best resources in the world to get past whatever makes him want to be this way, and he chooses not to, and whether that's because of an underlying problem or not I do not feel obliged to give a shit.
Note that I never even vaguely suggested that we should put up with his shit. Just that there's no point in trying to understand his logic.
Quote from: Your Mom on October 10, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
Note that I never even vaguely suggested that we should put up with his shit. Just that there's no point in trying to understand his logic.
Good point. My bad.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 10, 2014, 04:48:44 PM
I have a book on the sociology of mental illness that I snorched off someone years ago, and one of the key messages from it that's stuck with me is this:
When someone is ill (physically or mentally), we have this unspoken agreement with them as a society on a whole. We will put up with your diminished capacity to be a person as long as you are taking reasonable steps to address your illness.
Obviously this can go wrong. Some of that attitude is behind the relentless optimism pinkwashing that breast cancer patients have to put up with, and mental health care is always kinda difficult to navigate. I do find myself consistently falling back on this position, though, with no remorse. If you're taking the steps to get better, I will put up with any amount of bullshit resulting from your current condition. If you have decided that you like being sick and everyone else just needs to put up with your shit and you don't need to do anything to improve your lot, well you made your decision and I don't owe you dick.
Writing it out like this makes it seem a little harsher than it did in my head, so maybe I'm in the wrong here, but someone like Weev who exults in his persona as a giant asshole? He should have to deal with people treating him like a giant asshole, not like a victim of brain chemistry. He has access literally to the best resources in the world to get past whatever makes him want to be this way, and he chooses not to, and whether that's because of an underlying problem or not I do not feel obliged to give a shit.
I really like this position, in general. Basically, if this is the person you decided to present to the world, then that's the person the world is going to respond to. But if you are broken and trying to get fixed, leeway seems appropriate.
I had never thought of mental illness in this way but I have to wholeheartedly agree. In fact, it almost seems like it belittles my own efforts to improve myself, if I put up with a giant asshole that has absolutely no interest in becoming a better person.
Quote from: trix on October 11, 2014, 03:32:31 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on October 10, 2014, 04:48:44 PM
I have a book on the sociology of mental illness that I snorched off someone years ago, and one of the key messages from it that's stuck with me is this:
When someone is ill (physically or mentally), we have this unspoken agreement with them as a society on a whole. We will put up with your diminished capacity to be a person as long as you are taking reasonable steps to address your illness.
Obviously this can go wrong. Some of that attitude is behind the relentless optimism pinkwashing that breast cancer patients have to put up with, and mental health care is always kinda difficult to navigate. I do find myself consistently falling back on this position, though, with no remorse. If you're taking the steps to get better, I will put up with any amount of bullshit resulting from your current condition. If you have decided that you like being sick and everyone else just needs to put up with your shit and you don't need to do anything to improve your lot, well you made your decision and I don't owe you dick.
Writing it out like this makes it seem a little harsher than it did in my head, so maybe I'm in the wrong here, but someone like Weev who exults in his persona as a giant asshole? He should have to deal with people treating him like a giant asshole, not like a victim of brain chemistry. He has access literally to the best resources in the world to get past whatever makes him want to be this way, and he chooses not to, and whether that's because of an underlying problem or not I do not feel obliged to give a shit.
I really like this position, in general. Basically, if this is the person you decided to present to the world, then that's the person the world is going to respond to. But if you are broken and trying to get fixed, leeway seems appropriate.
I had never thought of mental illness in this way but I have to wholeheartedly agree. In fact, it almost seems like it belittles my own efforts to improve myself, if I put up with a giant asshole that has absolutely no interest in becoming a better person.
Yeah, me too. That outlook is a very elegant, healthy solution to a horribly complex problem.
Thanks QGP! I'm using that.
Agreed, good distillation of the social contract. Thanks!
Quote from: Your Mom on October 10, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
Note that I never even vaguely suggested that we should put up with his shit. Just that there's no point in trying to understand his logic.
Yeah, I give up. From what I've gathered, he's just another fairly intelligent, self-absorbed sociopath that happened to touch on a few topics that interest me (Internet/privacy ethics and free speech).
I found this article, which at points seemed to be talking directly to me, to be quite good though a bit generalization-heavy:
QuoteThe irony, of course, is that these same Kool-Aid vigilantes are usually great supporters of the hacker Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer – the world's most famous internet troll, the man who originally drove Sierra off the internet with threats to her real-world safety. Sierra, in explaining why she has suddenly reappeared online, insists that if Weev wants to punish women for speaking out, then people who endorse him – however tacitly – are condoning the punishment of women.
And in the last few weeks, as Weev himself has reemerged following his hacking trial, he has made it impossible to ignore his anti-Semitic and racist tendencies. The man has a giant swastika tattoo on his chest, and he willingly had a photo of it published as the main image atop the screed he published last week on a white supremacist website.
And yet many of Auernheimer's friends and advocates have not deserted him. By all accounts, Weev has charisma – it even affected Sierra, she admits – and some of the things he stands for have objective value. His championing of the right to online freedom and privacy has won him a lot of support from the Aaron Swartz crowd. But he has been sneaking poison into the cups he handed out. And the tech world has been drinking them.
There is a Poison Kool-Aid Point, but it's not where Sierra's harassers and other trolls think it is. They see it at the point where other people start listening, or start caring, or start valuing the opinion of someone who they feel speaks for them. But it's not there. It's at the point where that person starts feeding followers poison, and they take it. It's the point where people look at the hand that's holding the cup, not at its contents. That hand too often belongs to a male demagogue, and it is never bitten.
Quote from: Telarus on October 11, 2014, 07:58:08 AM
Agreed, good distillation of the social contract. Thanks!
The only problem with applying the social contract to mental illness is that there are many for whom their illness precludes awareness of their illness, let alone any idea that they need help. This includes some people with tragic and debilitating illnesses such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, as well as those with obnoxious or dangerous disorders such as narcissism and psychopathy. It also potentially includes people with brain damage that makes them unable to perceive that they are injured, for example people who are partially paralyzed and yet unaware of their paralysis.
So do we make exceptions to the social contract? Do we draw the line based on whether their illness is sympathetic? And what do we, as a society, do with people whose illnesses make them unlikable or dangerous?
Just some food for thought, not really presenting an argument one way or the other.
Many times the hardest part is getting someone to admit or realize they have a problem.
Quote from: N E T on October 11, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
I found this article, which at points seemed to be talking directly to me, to be quite good though a bit generalization-heavy:
QuoteThe irony, of course, is that these same Kool-Aid vigilantes are usually great supporters of the hacker Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer – the world's most famous internet troll, the man who originally drove Sierra off the internet with threats to her real-world safety. Sierra, in explaining why she has suddenly reappeared online, insists that if Weev wants to punish women for speaking out, then people who endorse him – however tacitly – are condoning the punishment of women.
And in the last few weeks, as Weev himself has reemerged following his hacking trial, he has made it impossible to ignore his anti-Semitic and racist tendencies. The man has a giant swastika tattoo on his chest, and he willingly had a photo of it published as the main image atop the screed he published last week on a white supremacist website.
And yet many of Auernheimer's friends and advocates have not deserted him. By all accounts, Weev has charisma – it even affected Sierra, she admits – and some of the things he stands for have objective value. His championing of the right to online freedom and privacy has won him a lot of support from the Aaron Swartz crowd. But he has been sneaking poison into the cups he handed out. And the tech world has been drinking them.
There is a Poison Kool-Aid Point, but it's not where Sierra's harassers and other trolls think it is. They see it at the point where other people start listening, or start caring, or start valuing the opinion of someone who they feel speaks for them. But it's not there. It's at the point where that person starts feeding followers poison, and they take it. It's the point where people look at the hand that's holding the cup, not at its contents. That hand too often belongs to a male demagogue, and it is never bitten.
Love how they established that the reason Weev gets away with being an asshole is charisma, and then immediately decided that, no wait, the reason is he has a penis. Also, blogging about tech = POWER.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on October 12, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
Quote from: N E T on October 11, 2014, 09:01:11 AM
I found this article, which at points seemed to be talking directly to me, to be quite good though a bit generalization-heavy:
QuoteThe irony, of course, is that these same Kool-Aid vigilantes are usually great supporters of the hacker Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer – the world's most famous internet troll, the man who originally drove Sierra off the internet with threats to her real-world safety. Sierra, in explaining why she has suddenly reappeared online, insists that if Weev wants to punish women for speaking out, then people who endorse him – however tacitly – are condoning the punishment of women.
And in the last few weeks, as Weev himself has reemerged following his hacking trial, he has made it impossible to ignore his anti-Semitic and racist tendencies. The man has a giant swastika tattoo on his chest, and he willingly had a photo of it published as the main image atop the screed he published last week on a white supremacist website.
And yet many of Auernheimer's friends and advocates have not deserted him. By all accounts, Weev has charisma – it even affected Sierra, she admits – and some of the things he stands for have objective value. His championing of the right to online freedom and privacy has won him a lot of support from the Aaron Swartz crowd. But he has been sneaking poison into the cups he handed out. And the tech world has been drinking them.
There is a Poison Kool-Aid Point, but it's not where Sierra's harassers and other trolls think it is. They see it at the point where other people start listening, or start caring, or start valuing the opinion of someone who they feel speaks for them. But it's not there. It's at the point where that person starts feeding followers poison, and they take it. It's the point where people look at the hand that's holding the cup, not at its contents. That hand too often belongs to a male demagogue, and it is never bitten.
Love how they established that the reason Weev gets away with being an asshole is charisma, and then immediately decided that, no wait, the reason is he has a penis. Also, blogging about tech = POWER.
I read that as simply addressing the fact that in our culture, toxic charismatics tend to be more likely to be male rather than female.