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1. Aphex Twin - Drukqs (Electronica/IDM)
2. Deltron 3030 (s/t) (Rap/Del Tha Funkee Homosapien)
3. Squarepusher - Feed Me Weird Things (Electronica/IDM)
4. Fieldtriqp - Old Haunts (Electronica/Ambient)
5. Transient - Hexual Ceiling (Electronica/Triphop)
6. Black Moth Super Rainbow - Dandelion Gum (Rock/Post)
7. Prefuse 73 - Reads The Books E.P. (Electronica/Triphop)
8. Devin Townsend - Ziltoid The Omnicient (Metal/Progressive)
9. Ozric Tentacles - Jurassic Shift (Rock/Psych)
10. Melt Banana - Charlie (Rock/Noise)

A relevant plug for your pleasure (follow genre navigation above!)... http://67.172.97.174:8081/ (guest:guest)
I'm sure I'm forgetting dozens of potential candidates, though.

As a jazz newbie, Herbie Hancock's stuff is pretty amazing. It has a lot of funk incorporated into it, and while some of it is pretty chaotic, it still doesn't lose its coherence like some jazz I've heard.

One of my favorites:
http://www.last.fm/music/Herbie+Hancock/_/Hornets

Damn! This is what I get for trying to reply in a philosophy discussion when I actually don't read philosophy.
I didn't even know who Kant was. My ideology was flawed and I decided to be a little silly at the bullet points (it was barely relevant to the discussion at hand). Obviously such a scale would never work in practical application. Looking back now, I couldn't possibly argue for what I was being serious on.

Anyways, mindset assimilated. I hope I can prove myself not to be a drooling fool next time I post. Please don't let this trash derail the thread. (goes back to lurking)

Don't beat yourself up over it. A position that's never been challenged isn't really a position I'd like to be in. Nearest thing we have to scientific rigor in philosophy.

Yea, I did get a little caught up in the whole newbie history/stigma when I posted that response. I usually do try to jump in discussions if I have an opposing viewpoint for that sake, but this particular one is chock full of flaws. I won't let it stop me next time though, just maybe give it a better flaw-check.

Edit: Goddammit guys, I said not to let this derail the thread. I got some fuckin LURKING in here to do.

Damn! This is what I get for trying to reply in a philosophy discussion when I actually don't read philosophy.
I didn't even know who Kant was. My ideology was flawed and I decided to be a little silly at the bullet points (it was barely relevant to the discussion at hand). Obviously such a scale would never work in practical application. Looking back now, I couldn't possibly argue for what I was being serious on.

Anyways, mindset assimilated. I hope I can prove myself not to be a drooling fool next time I post. Please don't let this trash derail the thread. (goes back to lurking)

[A parable of perfect Nihilism?]

A parable of perfect Nihilism?

A man hath two sons. To one son he giveth love and care and food and clothing and trinkets and baubles to satisfy his every desire and to the other he doth cast out into the world, naked and starving with nought but cuts and bruises and harsh words which still echoeth in his ears to remind him of his family and home.

The first son groweth up to be a tyant, a murderer and a pederast. He taketh from the mouths of babes to maketh himself fat and lazy in his iniquity.

The second son groweth up to be a good man, wise and humble in nature and in deeds. The second son doth save many a life by his own toil and sacrifice and yet expecteth he nothing in return.

And verily I say unto you - tis easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for judgement to be passed down upon either of these two tossers by any authority other than that of their fellow man.

The grand scheme of things sayeth - "Fuck 'em both, in measure equal"

No way. Well, not about Nihilism, but the concept of subjective good/bad. The concept of good and bad being absolutely subjective is intuitively incorrect for a reason. It's the same reason we still use the words - bad is by definition that that causes pain or anxiety. The reason that this is mixed up in definition, I could only guess, is from an echo to rationalize horrible religious acts -- which comes out to also make intuitive sense. Why religion? Because religion is the only thing that tells us that everyone is not equal, therefore an action from one group could be more good than the other, or conversely 'less sinful' than the other. Also, the justification of personified Gods in theistic religions.

Anywho...
Rules to use to measure 'good' and 'bad' of a subject:
•Since we have no way of testing the existence of philosophical zombies (or a zombie percentage), we should assume all perception as equally valuable.
•Deeming an action better or worse based on a 'what if' hypothesis is arbitrary since we cannot change the past.
•Good and bad have diminishing value, depending on the original amount of pleasure/happiness or pain/anxiety experienced. Ex: Mortally wounding someone twice is not as bad as mortally wounding two people once.
•A judgment that considers the indirect affects of a subject is incorrect, because it is arbitrary of the action itself.
•Unintended affect and action defaults to the cause of nature, therefore a subject should not be judged on action unintended.

By compiling the average 'good' or 'bad' resulting from a subject on a group, and following these rules, a scale can be theoretically made. Aka an 'objective judgment scale'. The final number would then be modified according to the personal preferences of the affected subjects.

Yeah, but I can't help to think that our passive negative impacts are grossly overestimated. We can end up polluting the atmosphere, depleting fossil fuels, create metric fucktons of waste, cause the death of a million trees, and all of that junk. However, the same evolution that has caused this will also cause the ability to handle this mess, easily. Besides that, I doubt any of us cause gays to get massacred on the other side of the world.

As for contributing to good, perhaps people with surplus wealth perfectly capable of change spend on themselves instead of helping others because a sort of spiritual crisis. A la "it's lonely at the top". Anybody that has considerable amount of money has probably abandoned either free time, or true close friends (or born rich and moral-less). The expensive cars, meals, and general excess amount to temporary cures for the spiritual void. The ever blanding luxury serves to accelerate this cycle.

Epicurus said it better, though.

Hell yeah. This especially applies to personal life.

Most people around here (living in TN) seem too busy giving a shit about keeping their own rut from collapsing than helping an external cause. Does the concept of giving a shit still look as grim from up there? I'm honestly naive about people that are capable of change, beyond filling out an online petition. Unfortunately, I'm keeping my own rut from collapsing now, and couldn't spare the resources to do anything that'd contribute to my personal concerns yet.  

bblean with slickrun. /flexes muscles

I'll enlighten when I leave my body. Or lose my fatty parts.

On a serious note, delusion is the closest thing we can do to get to it. In a way, I think it may be a little like enlightenment to embrace the fact that we'll always be conflicted over something, and that pain will always be there to make the happy moments more special and worth remembering, and teach us self respect... or something like that. I wonder if one would care to substain themselves alive if their brain constantly pumped out oxytocin, serotonin, and dopamine. Maybe they would just be cool enough for others to do that?

Forever love, happiness, and orgasms. 

I think I may have found the ultimate combo. 

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Google Wave is a failure. The only people that are willing to adapt to it have no real social network.

I'm a little out of it from my accidental 20/6 sleep schedule I've been following this week (and it's bedtime according), so forgive me if I just sound stupid.

This realization came upon only a couple minutes ago after I had a run in with one of my friends. Now this friend is one of the folks at my school who gets picked on continually. It's gone on as long as I've known him. I've always backed him up, always made sure that it never got physical, but not letting him rely on me for rescue. So, I'm just walking around and I see this kid, Mikey. Mikey is another friend of mine, and he gets it even worse than my first friend. He's overweight, intelligent, and quiet, the small town triumvirate of victimization. And as usual, I find Mikey being followed by some asshole, who's getting his hard on by messing with the poor kid. And lo and behold it's my first friend, Jake. Jake who's been a victim his entire life, is turning around and doing to this other kid.

I lost it. I've been betrayed by friends, tricked by people who claimed to like me, all kinds of shit, but nothing has ever infuriated me like watching Jake torment poor Mikey. My hands shook, my face went red, and I tear Jake a new one. I scare the living shit out of him. He goes white and when I finally let the little bastard go, he runs.

Well, nobody's perfect... so let's throw this to his point of view. It'd be safe to assume he has at least a bit of frustration towards humanity because of all of this, and 'lo and behold your friend becomes a vent of his frustration because, you know, nobody's perfect. Now he's a bully for the same reason as any bully -- but a neophyte at the whole experience, unable to reflect at his loss of ethical control, unlike the schoolyard bully whom has accepted his own ways. What he's doing isn't right, no duh, but I'd bet that wrist slap sure woke him up.

People have to be selfish to an extent to take care of themselves, and that's why people will always (some less often than others yet still everyone) slip up to some injustice. No reason to lose faith in it. Some people are a lost cause, but fuck 'em. Teach justice to those that will listen. At times, a punch in the offender's face may be your only audio.

Now, I understand. Justice is gone. The Lady is curled up in a dark corner, crying out of sightless eyes. She bleeds from her palms, and she screams out at the world "What have you done?". We don't here her though. We're too busy drowning ourselves in pools of our own vomit and excrement, our only pleasure being the mindless cruelties we inflict on each other. Sure, we have courts and anti-bullying seminars and all the garbage that authority throws at us. But it's all just a blindfold, one making us as blind as Lady Justice.

The Lady Justice, that blindfolded bitch. She sold her scales to bureaucrats to count our their bribes. She gave her sword to the abusers so that they wouldn't hurt her. And she gave us her blindfold so we couldn't see what she had done.

The victim becoming the abuser is just a catalyst for me. It led me to an epiphany. We can't rely on Lady Justice to save us, or to even point us in the right direction. She's blind for Christ's sake! No. Justice is a dead memory. But there's Vengeance. It's not pretty and it's never fair, but at least it does something. When the greater good has sold its soul, we have to turn to the lesser evil.

Justice is gone. Time for Vengeance.

This further pushes the point I'm trying to make. It's selfish to think anybody is tallying what you do that's good or bad, like there's a karma system tallying up your actions in everybody's mind. People don't care what you do, only who you are. Also, this street justice has nothing to do with any icons of justice or injustice; on the larger scale, there will never be a right way since good and bad are individually subjective. And power will always corrupt: the massive incentives and demons pulling which way within that power have no context within your situation of morality. Besides, as a society, we have come a long, long way. We shit bricks over war and corrupt enforcers and the like, but in the past genocide, religious war, violent superstition, slavery, and violence in general was much more rampant than it is now. In fact, I'd say justice is doing great.

Don't let this event limit your will towards justice to only vengeance. Justice is more often fixed in negotiation than vengeance. And besides, if you set out to become some Dark Knight or whatever, you will inevitably just become an embodiment of injustice to someone else.