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It should also be taken into account just how difficult a concept it is to grasp for so many. When you 'get' the concepts of the BIP you must remember that most people don't. We may deride them as herd or cabbages but, from their point of view, they never really had a choice or, to be more accurate, they never realised they had a choice, which is tantamount to the same thing.

It's like flatland - all the little square fellow had to do was stand up on his edge but how on earth was the sphere supposed to make him realise that? Bear in mind that we have no available means of plucking them out their world.

Call me a treehugger if you like but I look forward to a psychological (dare I say spiritual) quantum leap, amongst the monkeys on this planet. I'm not living under any illusions that this is coming anytime soon but I still like to dream.

As a 'glass is half full' type of guy I tend to focus on small instances of evidence regarding general trend. As a realist I have to accept that at this rate it'll be a while yet but, as HtRJ points out - sometimes things like this just happen- by surprise. Look at the internet - I can now talk about this kinda shit with thousands of other people whom I'd never bee able to before. Opportunities arrive out of the blue. Hope springs eternal.

Truth.  He does have a wicked sense of humour that sits well with our sort of people.

His ability to squeeze so many jokes and one-liners, between ridiculous scenarios and paradigms, every single paragraph always made me think of him as a kinda Douglas Adams on brain steroids.

Aye! My problem is I try to distill the idea down to as few words as possible but often that means it ends up only making sense to me.

Either that or I use too many words, in the wrong order, and it also comes across as gibberish.

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Oh, if anyone is wondering, Terry Pratchett did steal ideas from Discordianism to put into Discworld Noir.  He also used a fair few similar themes in the Thief of Time (such as the character Kaos was one of the 5 horsemen of the Apocalypse). 

If you haven't read everything he's ever written, you really should.  Its incredibly Discordian.  You have the bullshitting "wise man" monk, you have the fight between order (typified by the Auditors) and disorder of humans in general, and some pretty good semi-mindfucks.  The sign "do not feed the elephant" was a pretty good one.

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YOu're getting sloppy with word usage, Silly.

What do you mean by "The world of conciousness is boundless"?

More or less exactly as it sounds. Maybe "world" wasn't the right word? Domain mighta done better.

Basically what I'm getting at are the two aspects of our existence - Existence itself and how we react to it consciously. The material world is something we cannot see all of in fact it's arguable whether we see it at all. Question is what's seeing? I don't have the answer to this but what I am fairly sure of is that what I'm experiencing is a mental image which I have created, based on chemical information, fed into my brain via sensory apparatus.

My experience of the real world is something I create in my mind. Some of this is, to all intents and purposes, immutable. Gravity, temperature, the need to feed... Other parts, however, are opinions - The need to wear specific clothes, to buy specific brands, to feel specific ways about specific issues. In this area the walls of the prison come to exist. One is trapped in modes of thought by ones own self imposed limitations. Examples spring to mind, such as "I wish I could sing but I'm tone deaf", "I'm a labourer I could never become management.

Distinguishing the immutable stuff from the conditioning or psychologically imposed limits affords one the opportunity to break down a lot of walls that have no reason to be there and are counter to one's enjoyment and exploration of existence.

Finding out that there were absolutely no limits to my imagination/consciousness was something that helped me greatly in realising just how much of what I thought reality was was complete and utter bollix. The quantum leap from misery to paradise.

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

That sounds suspiciously like "The Secret".

The thought influences the reality.  Which can be true. 

However.

Thinking that your mind has no limitations implies that it is entirely possible to see the Universe as it is, with no psychological filters, and no biological limitations.  Which leads one to proclaiming that they have The Truth, and they see the Universe As It Really Is.

Which is bullshit.

I can't jump 20 feet in the air.  Thinking I can will only lead to eventual humiliation when at the bottom of a cliff.  However, If I can accept that I can't jump 20 feet in the air, I can get to work and start climbing.

The imaginary boundaries of consciousness

The physical world has limits. The world of consciousness, however, is boundless. Important distinction which you quite rightly make LMNO. Makes me wonder if the BIP relates to the material world at all. The only true freedom is to be found in mind, everything else comes down to a cage of biology and gravity and al the rest. Freedom comes from knowing this but not accepting boundaries of imagination and thought.

Okay so that was 15mins galactic time?

The imaginary boundaries of consciousness

eh. i suck at naming things but that won't stop my from trying.

the interference effect
the Reinforcements
the Cardboard SandCastle

fuck if i know.

Okay.... so you're more of an ideas man.  I'm sure the floor will be able to come up with something tho.

srsly though, i think i have an idea.

the reality grid = the BIP/GSP.
the law of 5s plays into that. BIP says "what you see is what you believe," Lo5 says, "what you believe is what you see." together, they form the reality feedback loop.

these are the abstract/intangible "wtf is going on rly" stuff that really puts the focus on breaking the input/output cycle.  but it isn't a complete model because there is more to what we experience than just a static world where we project our beliefs/reality.  there is also the fact that others projecting their beliefs/reality can directly affect what we experience.  and the fact that there are false realities that are deliberately put up for us to experience, to throw us off the track.

so, basically, investigate Conspiracy. The Illuminati, and why there is a troll lurking around every corner.

It's nice. I like it. I like it a lot. But it needs a name ....

pls also feel free to add yuor own verses. Just cos I was too dumb to come up with any more doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good thing.

Maybe I would get these jokes if I knew who that was.

Getting it yet?

 

Is it me?