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Started by 00.dusk, June 21, 2012, 05:31:30 AM

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00.dusk

Some of you might remember me from my last go around these parts.

No doubt, you remember me as a whiny attention whore. And that is absolutely correct.

I'd like to talk to you about an earlier time I was here, even before that -- as a half-hearted 15 year old lurker. I almost joined, but decided at that time it wasn't for me.

Y'know who I was at that point? I was Tupac L. Porker, or a less bizarrely interesting hirley0. I was the all-dreaded Earnest Pinealist. I thought I was both intelligent as fuck and insanely hilarious, that anyone I talked to would be in fucking TEARS from the sheer torrent of gushing intelligent and witty patter, and that I should probably be an objet d'culte for everyone I ran into. Online, that is.

In real life I had just begun to recognize that hey, America! isn't all it's cracked up to be. I was smart as hell, make no mistake. Hell, I was capable of reading the newspaper at the age of 4 and had coherent conversation with my family 3 years prior to that -- yeah, that's a 1 year old speaking in full sentences. But smart young people, I find, tend to be most vulnerable when they're smart enough to understand adult ideologies and inexperienced enough to not realize that everyone has something to sell them -- at gunpoint if need be. Not to mention that among their own peer groups, they become targets.

I was 15, and I was JUST waking up to the fact that folks have a uniform they want me to buy and put on and never take off, so when the time comes that hey, I'd like to try something else, you find your flesh has grown around the fabric like trees grow around fences. Discordia very likely saved me from becoming a countercultural rube by stepping into my life and telling me that hey, these people can sell you expectations as sure as they can finely tailored suits. And helping me come to the realization that I'd already bought enough of those expectations to have really fucked myself up, because I bought them at the age level where an eyedropper full of ethanol will both get you drunk and ruin your ability to grow in a healthy manner for the rest of your life.

And yeah, that's where all the horrific shit I'm struggling with mentally comes into play, but that's a story for another OKM at another time. This is about my own personal "coming of age," not misery porn.

But to get back to that fourth paragraph up there, waiting patiently for its continuation. The summation of the nature of my knowledge and life at that time meant that I felt myself to be like a god online, while I realized that the people around me in real life were drones -- but far more dangerous for BEING drones. Because they'd have the canned responses that everyone would listen to and nod in agreement with and forget that the drone responsible for what-the-fuck-ever was ever involved. No doubt, the combination of the "stay unnoticed" and "HEY LOOK AT ME" bullshit led to some serious cognitive dissonance that is probably with me to this day.

And on the ass end of 15 years old, having already found and read the "Gospel" according to Mal-2, the information I had gleaned in my life meant that when I found PD.com, I lurked for a bit and decided (quite reasonably) that it wasn't for me. It wasn't a conscious decision, either. I'm sure i wrote it off with some silly rationalization, but what really happened was that my subconscious had assimilated the relevant info and, while it was still putting it together piecemeal with painstaking care, realied that I was NOT READY for PD.com. There were tiers above 15-year-old me in the world, and this was not a place for the careless or the young.

So I never joined. Never participated. And thank fuck I didn't.

Skip ahead -- what was it, 3 years? 2008? Somewhere between 2007 and 2009, whenever Cait M.R. joined the forums. Feels like a decade between 2005 and whenever I popped up, though.

Anyway: I run into PD.com again. And this time, I join.

In the intervening timespan I'd realized a few things.
1: Everyone is a potential drone.
2: Most of them aren't harmful, not even if they're drones.
3: Drones are preprogrammed to deal with situations in highly specific ways, and will never deviate from that behavior. To wit, they do not make exceptions.
4: I am an exceptional person, but (as per no. 3) when I try to discuss the Nazi genocide in school, to dig down to the root psychology of the whole thing, the teachers get scared and I get an in-school suspension.
5: Your family is not going to stand by you if you start acting against the societal programming they've grown up with.

Most of these are the building blocks of what PD.com has come to call The Machine. For the most part, I was still coming to terms with them, especially 5. And I was still misinterpreting 4 -- I considered myself "exceptional" in the special snowflake sense, not as someone who exceptions should be made for. (Which is every human being -- not all situations are equal, and most people will be put in an extremely unfair position at least once in their lives.)

As a result, I was not at all ready for PD. Not that I realized it, because I'd figured out a lot of the stuff these guys were talking about. Not to such, depth, of course, but I was on the right road. And I never really paid any attention to anything that veered from my viewpoint, so it's not like I was going to learn.

Some of you may remember that I contributed nothing, started a ton of IRC drama, then came to the forum freaking the fuck out and begging for help when the floor I'd relied on as a given (shelter, food, hygiene) got pulled right out from under me (learning point 5 the hard way, always good fun!) and then disappeared when I realized the true interpretation of point 4 the hard way from the folks here.  That is a perfectly accurate representation of my time here.

Now comes the fun part. I wanted it to be a story, but you can't tell this kind of story. Sometimes, the truth is too hard.

Some of you might think that Tucson is the worst spot in the US, followed closely by Florida. You're wrong. No, those are just the places that do the worst job of pulling a blanket over the dry rot and horror. (For the record, Tucson's dry rot is still around 169% more worser than anywhere else's, and they didn't even bother finding a blanket to try to cover it with, they just used their own feces and the corpses of homeless folks.)

Wanna know where the worst spot in the US is?

It's below the poverty level.

And I'm not talking about anything so quaint as the ghetto, or even the rescue mission I was in for awhile, or the time I got mugged in Pittsburgh.

I'm talking about hiding in the corner of a mudhut about 5 hours walk from the nearest gas station, hoping I don't get raped, robbed, or catch tuberculosis. In the middle of a room full of filthy alcoholics and junkies. The real pariahs. The ones that don't even have programs left to help.

I'm talking about writing myself a 201 so that I'd have a safe place to sleep and the luxury of daily showers. And then attempting suicide when the discharge notice comes so that I get to stay a little longer. (Your tax dollars at work! Thank the gods for free insurance for the poor folks, it's probably why I'm alive.)

I'm talking about finding a way to make phonecalls every day, and begging my family to let me at least pitch a goddamn tent in their yard so I can be somewhere familiar and safe. And getting told I'm insane and a sexual deviant, so no. And calling back the next day anyway.

I'm talking about nearly 2 years of being at THE bottom of THE lowest income bracket. Roger's Horrorology posts are amazing, they're the closest I can come to describing The Place, the proverbial bottom of the abortion clinic dumpster, the place where being a career criminal is an improvement because that keeps you alive and -- perhaps even more important when you're that far down -- noticed.

I wasn't guilty when I went to jail, or even when I got out. But I sure was guilty a year later. Of a lot more than I ever want to admit to.

And that brings us to the present day. When I came back to PD.com.

You don't go through harrowing, life-or-death experiences and come out the same person. You don't do it over and over constantly for a period of months on end. You CERTAINLY don't cut yourself open nice and big just so you can have a hot meal the next day and come out a whole, healthy human being.

I'm not sure I can describe how I've changed, this time. It's a bit of a "paradigm shift" -- there's nothing comparable to it in the rest of my life. But suffice it to say, I feel now I can finally say this is where I belong. Before, I was a stupid kid who thought she knew the way the world worked. Who was trying to fit in, as horrible as that might sound, treating the forum like TGRR and Nigel are fashion designers whose clothes only the cool kids get to wear.

Before that, I was an even stupider kid who didn't care how the world worked because I Was Special.

Now, I've been through the War. Not the War with guns and trenches and tanks, but the secret War for survival still raging below our radar. More importantly, I survived it. The war where there's no rules of engagement, and if you commit war crimes no Geneva Convention will have anything to say about it.

When you go through that, like I said, it changes you. It twists you. Some call it PTSD, some call it a disease. I like to let them think that, if it makes them feel more comfortable. But I know which one of us is going to be alive when the system goes up in flames and down in smoke.

Now, some might be inclined to say: "but it's not a war!" I'll answer them in a roundabout way.

Urban primitives think they want to go to where I was. I want to see them last ten minutes. I met folks who actually collected the bones of the guys they killed.

To expand on that a little: Ronald Poppo could have been even less than a goddamn statistic. If the attack had been under the bridge, no one would have ever noticed. The fellow was already believed to be dead, it's not like anyone would have ever known he'd even been in the area to begin with. And we modern monkeys don't remember that surveillance can't see through walls. It can't see under streets, or in sewers or storm drains. There are, I'd guess, around a third again as many murders as are ever counted, all among marginal folks so removed from society that they're practically already playing in the ashes of our empire.

If that's not a war, I don't know what is.

00.dusk

On a reread, it turns out my own personal coming of age IS misery porn. What a surprise.

And also that this changed direction a couple times. Damn. I need to hone my rant skills!

Anna Mae Bollocks

Holy fuck.

Definitely not green anymore.
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Placid Dingo

Hey Dusk, thanks for sharing.

The only thing I'd question is the idea of drones and the self being different. Were all on programming, but some of us are dedicated to rewriting it. Though I think you've implied as much. Good rant.
Haven't paid rent since 2014 with ONE WEIRD TRICK.

Faust

Thank you agent double oh dusk.

That was a fucking harrowing tale and I am glad you are in (I am assuming) a better place now, it really sounds like you had to learn about life the hard way and I am hoping that circumstances have improved since then.
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P3nT4gR4m

Well done, you faced the kind of test that most never have to or would die trying and you came out coherent. You have my respect. So where do you see yourself going next, and what are your plans for when you get there?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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00.dusk

Quote from: Placid Dingo on June 21, 2012, 07:36:00 AM
The only thing I'd question is the idea of drones and the self being different. Were all on programming, but some of us are dedicated to rewriting it. Though I think you've implied as much. Good rant.

We may be all on programming, but you can think of certain memes as malware that puts us into part of a sort of wetware botnet. This came up regarding a certain user's actions in certain threads: certain societal memes like, in this case, "talking about the Holocaust to say anything more in depth than 'it was bad' makes you a Nazi" are drone-behavior, and are proliferated by the Machine.

Quote from: Faust on June 21, 2012, 08:52:02 AM
Thank you agent double oh dusk.

That was a fucking harrowing tale and I am glad you are in (I am assuming) a better place now, it really sounds like you had to learn about life the hard way and I am hoping that circumstances have improved since then.

They have, but I'm still in what would be considered by most a "bad situation". But when you're so far into the margins you're off the page, every step you can claw yourself back up is a tremendous feat.

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 21, 2012, 11:15:45 AM
Well done, you faced the kind of test that most never have to or would die trying and you came out coherent. You have my respect. So where do you see yourself going next, and what are your plans for when you get there?

I want to live the starving artist for awhile. Jobs just don't do it for me, and I can live on less money per month than most folks sink into their cars after that particular adventure. I want to CREATE and get paid for it for awhile. Even if it's just three bucks a month.

After I do that for awhile, I might think about comfort. I think I'll be moving the hell out of this part of the country, or maybe out of the US altogether. There's still a bit of an old fashioned bottom-rung support system in some of the EU that provides what little it can for people who sunk as low as I did, and I want to support it however I can.

East Coast Hustle

That was some heavy shit for this early in the morning,but I'm glad I read it and glad you wrote it.

And welcome back,to both PD and to some part of society where you're not under a bridge or storm drain. You get some measure of respect for surviving such an experience, but you get much more for having learned from it and letting it make you stronger instead of letting it beat you down.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

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The Good Reverend Roger

Well done, on all counts.

The critical thing most people miss is that you can blend in without selling out.
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00.dusk

Much thanks all around.

I'm immersing myself in some of the most horrifically stupid places on the internet currently because I feel a properly polemic OKM being birthed deep down in my interdimensional portal to the poomp plane.

Anna Mae Bollocks

Looking forward to that.

And yeah, it was reality, but nobody should have to learn that way. A lot of kids think they know it all, but having to go through all that is like a puppy getting smacked with a hammer for peeing on the carpet. No, I take that back, it's worse. I don't even have an analogy.

Do you have some kind of plan worked out for getting to the EU? I've been thinking of doing the same...it's complicated. (Yeah, everyplace is america now, but I still think some places are more america than others.  :x )
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00.dusk

Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 21, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
Looking forward to that.

And yeah, it was reality, but nobody should have to learn that way. A lot of kids think they know it all, but having to go through all that is like a puppy getting smacked with a hammer for peeing on the carpet. No, I take that back, it's worse. I don't even have an analogy.

In the long run, I'm kind of glad it happened. In hindsight, I was in a mentally abusive family that only kept me because the government let them control my money. When I went to jail, the money disappeared and they didn't want me anymore. Also, I was running on 90% industrial strength Idealism, and that's always an ugly way to go.

Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 21, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
Do you have some kind of plan worked out for getting to the EU?

I have nothing. I've been looking into it, but not too seriously at the moment, because there's no way in hell I could ever afford it. My backup plan, though, is Tucson.

You could say I'm a glutton for punishment.

Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on June 21, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
Yeah, everyplace is america now, but I still think some places are more america than others

I need as little America as I can get. If I had the patience to go through the shitpile that is getting a Japanese citizenship, I'd go there in a heartbeat. They have a ton of weird, but at least they don't have as much America as the English-speaking folks.

Cain

An excellent rant.

I have a question though, which has been bugging me since before you vanished... what was up with that "haunting" you thought was going on?  Did you ever get to the bottom of that?  I'm asking out of genuine curiousity, because it was never truly resolved (and one of the stories I made up when you vanished was that Eldiritch Abombinations had sucked you through a portal.  Actually, this story is pretty much the standard one for any PDer who goes missing, but it seemed a little more likely in your case).

00.dusk

Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2012, 04:37:15 PM
An excellent rant.

I have a question though, which has been bugging me since before you vanished... what was up with that "haunting" you thought was going on?  Did you ever get to the bottom of that?  I'm asking out of genuine curiousity, because it was never truly resolved (and one of the stories I made up when you vanished was that Eldiritch Abombinations had sucked you through a portal.  Actually, this story is pretty much the standard one for any PDer who goes missing, but it seemed a little more likely in your case).

I have no clue what was up with that. A few bucks is trying to tell me that it has something to do with the screws loose in my brain already, but from what little I remember of that particular situation it was pretty simple to prove that wasn't the case.

As a result... All I got is it could have been anything, from the merely mundane though supremely unusual (bugs. so so many bugs.) to the Highly Weird (ghost Cthulhu's dong).

Cain

Ah, shame.  I shall chalk it up to you doing forbidden mathematics in your head, allowing an intersection between this universe and the lower levels of the Mandlebrot set.  That way, you were going crazy but it also really did happen.  All bases covered.

I can also symathise with your general situation, though it did not get quite as bad for me.  At the very least, I could live with my family, even if the vast majority of my unemployment benefits went towards paying rent.  I certainly know becoming a career criminal was a fairly attractive prospect at one point for me, too, except for the fact most of that element in my town are not especially friendly towards me, and I did not trust in their rationality overcoming their dislike (most criminals being rather bad at emotional regulation in the first place).  That and our local organized crime element have ties to the Balkans, where the rules of engagement are rather different than among the more traditional gangs.  And many of the movers and shakers are ex-KLA or have some kind of paramilitary training.

Still, if the choice had been between that and going on yet another government training course, I think I'd have taken my chances with the Albanians.  At least their lethality is refreshingly unpatronizing.

Ironically, I ended up working private security before landing my current gig, where I am secure, looked after and relatively well-off.  Not that I've forgotten.  I don't know how secure you are, but I know, now that I'm where I want to be, my paradigm shift has gone from one of "survival" to "revenge".  Some of that has already been achieved, but I intend for a lot more to be done before this is over.

If that turns out to be true in your case as well, all I am going to say is that, when the time comes, remember to enjoy it.  Taking pleasure in the small things is one of the benefits of a more stable and secure life, and should not be neglected.