Okay, so my country has failed to meet my minimum standards. Just short of 60 million of my neighbors have decided that voting Nazi was an acceptable thing to do, because they are so tired of even a semi-functional republic.
Scary times.
And some folks have very good reason to be scared. A lot of women I know are talking about getting IUDs before January, and who can blame them? Trump has said he'll leave the petty details of actual governance to Pence, and Pence is a Dominionist who very much wants to make birth control illegal because it makes women uppity. Given the rash of swastikas being sprayed all over everything flat surface, the chants of "build a wall" in middle schools, hijab-grabbing, and grab ass sexual assault ("This is a free country now, bitch"), it's not just women that should be worried. It's also worth mentioning that the FBI, who would normally stop much of this shit, helped engineer it.
We are very much on our own. This is, after the last eight years, a very rough concept to wrap your mind around, but sticking your head in the sand isn't going to help.
HOWEVER:
This is the first time in 50 years that The Machine has presented a handle. Something concrete, a place in which to start picking away at the threads. That handle isn't a government office or a corporate boardroom or anything like that. No, it is our fellow citizens, every slack-jawed goober in a MAGA hat. The cockroaches have crawled out of the corners, and it is our job to step on them.
What makes this possible is that half of them know what they're supporting is wrong. They won't admit it, but they're worried and ashamed of what they've done. And that is the handle, here. Not persuasion, not tolerance, but shame. Society has finally barfed forth those that need to be told to shit in their hats, and who are we to turn this opportunity down?
That's going to require some teamwork, of course...And though some of us have very legitimate beefs with each other, I'd like to suggest that we have bigger fish to fry right now. Not saying we need to sing Kumbaya and pretend that those legitimate beefs never occurred (one way and/or the other), but the hilarious times coming seem to indicate that - as some old radical once said - we will either hang together or we shall surely hang apart.
I told you guys years ago that this is our century. Events have proven me right, in ways that surprise and horrify me. But what's Discordia for, if not some horrormirth and KICKING THEM IN THE NADS? Fuck, this is the first time in a decade that it's been morally right to kick them in the nads!
ALL THE FUN, NO GUILT.
Or Kill Me.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
YAAHS!! You see it. The very Sunlight that they now feel emopwered to walk in is their worst of enemies, yet the Cuckmagi failed to ensure that the timing was ripe in their rush to get the meme in play. The whole thing is resolved by a formal resistance and exposure so that pernicious deeds bring the proper social backlash again. Thing is that the shame MUST be self realized and only works on the outer fringe types. To do it right you must drag the wretched OUT of the darkness to be beheld and not drive the "exoteric" into it by derision. Those too far gone... well, it's sad but some folks will choose death over a false identity planted hard enough.
This kind of shit is a basis for certain notorious suicide-murder cults in history, but Kek promises nothing like a heavenly reward to delude, just immediate material and psychological gratification like Moloch on ALL THE STEROIDS.
They've been called racist so many times they're numb to it. I don't think that shaming is going to be enough. It certainly didn't win the election.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 11, 2016, 03:44:15 AM
They've been called racist so many times they're numb to it. I don't think that shaming is going to be enough. It certainly didn't win the election.
I was thinking this same thing. However, that doesn't mean the roach stepping won't be less fun.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 11, 2016, 03:44:15 AM
They've been called racist so many times they're numb to it. I don't think that shaming is going to be enough. It certainly didn't win the election.
Of course it didn't win the election. They had something to swing back at. You could point out the obvious, and they could holler about emails, with Jill Stein cheering them on.
But now they have to live with the results, and I see no downside in helping them see those results. I am fairly certain that they had more fun cheering for Trump's campaign than they will cheering for his presidency.
And if it doesn't work, so what? It's never morally incorrect to make people like that upset.
Quote from: Fernando The Poo, Hole of Ass on November 11, 2016, 03:47:38 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 11, 2016, 03:44:15 AM
They've been called racist so many times they're numb to it. I don't think that shaming is going to be enough. It certainly didn't win the election.
I was thinking this same thing. However, that doesn't mean the roach stepping won't be less fun.
Again, I don't see a downside.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 11, 2016, 03:49:22 AM
Quote from: Fernando The Poo, Hole of Ass on November 11, 2016, 03:47:38 AM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 11, 2016, 03:44:15 AM
They've been called racist so many times they're numb to it. I don't think that shaming is going to be enough. It certainly didn't win the election.
I was thinking this same thing. However, that doesn't mean the roach stepping won't be less fun.
Again, I don't see a downside.
Oh, I think I meant "that doesn't mean the roach stepping will be less fun." I'm on your side, in that I don't see a downside.
This was stupid and I feel bad for writing it. Queen Gogira was right.
I'm gonna hunker down with my family and try to get through the next few years.
Good luck.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 11, 2016, 04:56:52 AM
This was stupid and I feel bad for writing it. Queen Gogira was right.
I'm gonna hunker down with my family and try to get through the next few years.
Good luck.
What? I loved this.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 11, 2016, 04:56:52 AM
This was stupid and I feel bad for writing it. Queen Gogira was right.
I'm gonna hunker down with my family and try to get through the next few years.
Good luck.
Good fortune Roger. I get your choice. This place has no value if it's not able to keep it's shit together and certainly won't be producing anything capable of reversing this mess. I'm not sure anything can at this point. I just saw most of what little I still placed hope in get subverted.
If you want to stay in touch you know how to find me. Take care.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 11, 2016, 04:56:52 AM
This was stupid and I feel bad for writing it. Queen Gogira was right.
I'm gonna hunker down with my family and try to get through the next few years.
Good luck.
Wait, what?
I was just getting on board the "THIS IS THE AMERICA YOU WANTED" bandwagon, while offering shelter to those who need it.
So far, every idea I've come up with is probably at least a minor felony. I'll take all the help I can get.
Also, If there's anything I can do to make myself useful, let me know.
Quote from: LMNO on November 11, 2016, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 11, 2016, 04:56:52 AM
This was stupid and I feel bad for writing it. Queen Gogira was right.
I'm gonna hunker down with my family and try to get through the next few years.
Good luck.
Wait, what?
I was just getting on board the "THIS IS THE AMERICA YOU WANTED" bandwagon, while offering shelter to those who need it.
Two days ago, a few of us talked about coming up with some ideas for the coming Bad Times. I thought of my first thoughts, I posted, expecting some initial ideas to riff on (and vice-verse), but then I noticed something: All the smart people I know are either "mansplaining" or "self-policing" the same old shit, or JUST TOO BUTTHURT. And it's NOVEMBER 11th. In precisely two (2) months, 60 days, it's inauguration day. Then we have Trump in office and congress in session.
You want to hear about January?
A chief Justice that makes Scalia look like Ginsberg.
oh, and
SNAP - GONE.
ACCESS - GONE
Ben Carson as Secretary of education.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
Once the transition is over, Ben Carson's looking for work because the department of education will be dismantled. This isn't ranting, it's what Trump and McConnell said they were going to do. No more of that pesky Title I funding to local schools, which around here means NO SCHOOLS.
Expect the Supreme Court to reverse itself on Gay marriage. This won't happen in February or even March, but certainly by fall. Then you can almost certainly expect that being LGBT will attract the eye of Sauron, so to speak.
Also, being able to buy birth control may be more interesting by March. Even if you have the money.
SPEAKING OF WHICH:
At least two of us work in universities or publicly funded science. How's that going to work out? LMNO, you will probably be fine. Everyone else is FUCKED.
All of this SOUNDS like USUNCUT.COM. But this is the first time the GOP has had the whole enchilada, all at once - since the Bush years, and they aren't distracted by foreign policy like they were then. This is the American Taliban IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING.
And here everyone is, bickering in the fucking lifeboat, or scurrying off to the alt-right at the first turn of the wind, like that little quisling cunt RP.
I don't see any fucking reason to paste a target on my back for that. As Queen Gogira said,
Quote from: Queen GogiraThe truth is that Good doesn't get shit done. Good is too busy self-policing to get off its ass and do something. Good chops its own legs off before a fight because it's unfair to go into battle fully armed when others don't have access to all the benefits of whiteness, straightness, maleness, ableness, etc. Good is self-congratulatory to the point of vomit inducement, patting itself on the back for using the right pronouns and eating the right food and generally being RIGHT all over the place, like a shining beacon of hope to the masses, but it doesn't put a nickle in the homeless guy's cup. Good never learned to throw a punch.
At night Good collapses into a sobbing wreck because it can't handle the stress of living up to "goodness" and it's ashamed and alone and its friends are shallow and worthless as sounding boards or lifelines in the dark.
She's 100% right, and there are ONLY 60 DAYS. Fuck that, I am not sticking my neck out for people who can't get over their hatred of each other or me, or whatever. I am not taking risks for people who STILL THINK THE PRIORITY IS SELF-POLICING.
I'm taking care of my own, at least until the gigantic wave of Darwin goes by, and it's suddenly easier to spot the people who might TRY, even if you have to trip over the starved or beaten corpses of the people who absolutely refused to even look at the problem.
Maybe then. For the moment, I am nobody's "ally". As the man said, I stick my neck out for nobody. Not because I don't WANT TO, but because it would do NO GOOD AT ALL.
So, again, good luck.
I get you. And I also see the future you've laid out. All three branches of GOP majorities. It makes me sick.
I'm still offering shelter to people who are going to get fucked. I'm still going to call a bigot a bigot. And I'm going to figure out what lever I have, and where to put the fulcrum.
And then I'm going to BEAR DOWN.
Quote from: LMNO on November 11, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
I get you. And I also see the future you've laid out. All three branches of GOP majorities. It makes me sick.
I'm still offering shelter to people who are going to get fucked. I'm still going to call a bigot a bigot. And I'm going to figure out what lever I have, and where to put the fulcrum.
And then I'm going to BEAR DOWN.
This is another thing that's been bothering me with the results here and there. For all the nuanced talk of trade policies and whatnot, there's still a massive chunk of people that just have terrible ideas and beliefs. The pandering to these people in the wake of the results is fucking sickening. I don't see these people(all sides) coming out with nuanced arguments a lot of the time, but the DUMB is endless. News sources have all been placed on a similar level and a crazy blog carries as much weight as an actual work of journalism. How many things have you seen from RT this year? When you're stating idiocy or bigotry, the appropriate response tends to end up at "scorn". A chance or two to explain themselves if you're feeling kind, but the guy shouting "NIGGERS!" isn't often going to turn out to be a moral smart person.
Personally, I intend to do little different. I still despise most associated with any power structure and I'll keep flinging shit and obstructing it accordingly when I can. Several systems in place are fundamentally unchanged and unlikely to change. It's still largely the system that produces a lot of the problems so getting back to that may be more productive.
Quote from: LMNO on November 11, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
I get you. And I also see the future you've laid out. All three branches of GOP majorities. It makes me sick.
I'm still offering shelter to people who are going to get fucked. I'm still going to call a bigot a bigot. And I'm going to figure out what lever I have, and where to put the fulcrum.
And then I'm going to BEAR DOWN.
It's really all you can do. I'm going to keep doing what I have been doing, which is attempt to talk sense to people. The folks trapped in feedback loops might not get it, but at least some of the people watching will.
Quote from: LMNO on November 11, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
I get you. And I also see the future you've laid out. All three branches of GOP majorities. It makes me sick.
I'm still offering shelter to people who are going to get fucked. I'm still going to call a bigot a bigot. And I'm going to figure out what lever I have, and where to put the fulcrum.
And then I'm going to BEAR DOWN.
What you guys don't seem to get is that this isn't 2000-2008 all over again. It's a whole new set of rules.
Remember when we though Lieberman, Inhofe, and Sessions were bad? Well, they
were of course, but what we have *now* is a whole different kettle of fish.
And just leaving government aside for a moment, there's the people who voted Trump in, and are now hooting and hollering, painting swastikas on shit and assaulting women.
And he's not even IN yet.
So what is it? Do we hunker down, and try to ride out 2 years and hope a miracle happens in the mid-terms? Do we disconnect and let the world burn? Do we engage as publicly as possible, and expose every filthy act of this autocrat? Do we turn into cannibals and eat each other alive?
I'd like to think... no, I need to believe that, even without the benefit of public institutions, even in the face of open aggression from the masses, we are capable of resistance. And not just "posting some memes" resistance, but actual physically providing safety to as many as we can. Establishing a network of people who are willing to risk something for the safety of others during this time. If we're right, and the jackboots come marching, nobody's going to be able to stand on their own. If we're wrong, and this is all hyperbole, the worst that can happen is we build a more resilient network outside of cyberspace.
Quote from: V3X on November 12, 2016, 02:00:38 AM
So what is it? Do we hunker down, and try to ride out 2 years and hope a miracle happens in the mid-terms? Do we disconnect and let the world burn? Do we engage as publicly as possible, and expose every filthy act of this autocrat? Do we turn into cannibals and eat each other alive?
I'd like to think... no, I need to believe that, even without the benefit of public institutions, even in the face of open aggression from the masses, we are capable of resistance. And not just "posting some memes" resistance, but actual physically providing safety to as many as we can. Establishing a network of people who are willing to risk something for the safety of others during this time. If we're right, and the jackboots come marching, nobody's going to be able to stand on their own. If we're wrong, and this is all hyperbole, the worst that can happen is we build a more resilient network outside of cyberspace.
Hell yeah. Finally something I can get behind. :mittens:
Quote from: V3X on November 12, 2016, 02:00:38 AM
So what is it? Do we hunker down, and try to ride out 2 years and hope a miracle happens in the mid-terms? Do we disconnect and let the world burn? Do we engage as publicly as possible, and expose every filthy act of this autocrat? Do we turn into cannibals and eat each other alive?
I'd like to think... no, I need to believe that, even without the benefit of public institutions, even in the face of open aggression from the masses, we are capable of resistance. And not just "posting some memes" resistance, but actual physically providing safety to as many as we can. Establishing a network of people who are willing to risk something for the safety of others during this time. If we're right, and the jackboots come marching, nobody's going to be able to stand on their own. If we're wrong, and this is all hyperbole, the worst that can happen is we build a more resilient network outside of cyberspace.
We aren't capable of getting along for 10 minutes.
Resistance. :lulz:
Not sure why the concept of resistance would even require adherence to some holistic set of philosophies, other than some well-defined but limited set of absolute tolerances. We don't have to agree on everything, or even on most things. We don't even have to agree on fundamentals like the nature of government, the morality of taxation, or what color the sky is on a cloudless day. Just a few items like "it isn't okay to cart anyone away to the camps" and "people shouldn't be beaten in the streets" and "every human being deserves to live".
It doesn't have to be a movement, we don't have to collaborate on elections, we don't have to join the same parties or go to the same churches. It isn't about progress at this point, it's about survival.
If we can't find enough people who agree on those things, and are able to recognize when they have been violated, then I suppose you're right and the entire concept of "resistance" is moot. But I really don't want to believe that's where we are.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:05:09 AM
Quote from: V3X on November 12, 2016, 02:00:38 AM
So what is it? Do we hunker down, and try to ride out 2 years and hope a miracle happens in the mid-terms? Do we disconnect and let the world burn? Do we engage as publicly as possible, and expose every filthy act of this autocrat? Do we turn into cannibals and eat each other alive?
I'd like to think... no, I need to believe that, even without the benefit of public institutions, even in the face of open aggression from the masses, we are capable of resistance. And not just "posting some memes" resistance, but actual physically providing safety to as many as we can. Establishing a network of people who are willing to risk something for the safety of others during this time. If we're right, and the jackboots come marching, nobody's going to be able to stand on their own. If we're wrong, and this is all hyperbole, the worst that can happen is we build a more resilient network outside of cyberspace.
We aren't capable of getting along for 10 minutes.
Resistance. :lulz:
The history of Discordianism hasn't exactly been filled with people who agreed all the time. Some good shit has still managed to appear though. When you all agree with each other then you are just sitting around in an echo chamber jerking each other off.
I hope that most here can agree with the principles that V3X posted though and that could be enough to rally around. It's been tough enough watching the election run-up destroying people's opinions of each other - fuelled by media frenzy and the polarization that comes from the two man con ( whether that's bernie vs hilary or hilary vs. trump it was all the two man con ultimately).
Or just batten down the hatches and look out for you and yours. That's a legitimate response too.
Quote from: V3X on November 12, 2016, 02:11:44 AM
Not sure why the concept of resistance would even require adherence to some holistic set of philosophies, other than some well-defined but limited set of absolute tolerances. We don't have to agree on everything, or even on most things. We don't even have to agree on fundamentals like the nature of government, the morality of taxation, or what color the sky is on a cloudless day. Just a few items like "it isn't okay to cart anyone away to the camps" and "people shouldn't be beaten in the streets" and "every human being deserves to live".
It doesn't have to be a movement, we don't have to collaborate on elections, we don't have to join the same parties or go to the same churches. It isn't about progress at this point, it's about survival.
If we can't find enough people who agree on those things, and are able to recognize when they have been violated, then I suppose you're right and the entire concept of "resistance" is moot. But I really don't want to believe that's where we are.
:mittens:
Something has to get people fired up enough to get out of their comfort zones. If it comes down to survival , it is pretty sad but maybe what's necessary.
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 12, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Something has to get people fired up enough to get out of their comfort zones. If it comes down to survival , it is pretty sad but maybe what's necessary.
This entire election is literally all about half the population -- largely the white, middle-class half -- trying to cling to their comfort zone, while the other half is already struggling for survival, and therefore trying to push for change.
Meanwhile, those who are fighting for fat, stupid, smugly Christian white middle-class complacency really don't give a damn about people going hungry or losing their future to an unwanted pregnancy or dying of preventable disease or being beaten to death in the streets, as long as it isn't their street and they don't have to see it.
Those of us who are fighting for survival have largely been dismissed as "alienating and divisive" because we make the pro-complacency demographic uncomfortable. But we haven't stopped fighting the entire time. That's what's making the other half so uncomfortable that they feel the need to make laws to shut us up and make us go away.
It isn't just the middle class Christian white who voted for Trump, though. The poor Christian white demographic probably gave him a large amount of votes, as well. I know they did here, and they talked about it openly.
Quote from: Freeky on November 12, 2016, 04:42:04 PM
It isn't just the middle class Christian white who voted for Trump, though. The poor Christian white demographic probably gave him a large amount of votes, as well. I know they did here, and they talked about it openly.
Some did, of course. Demographically speaking, support is a Bell curve, with the middle made up of white Christian middle-class earning about $70k/year.
Statistically, the majority of poor whites voted for Clinton.
I wasn't around here during those early 2000s, so I wouldn't really know much about what we'd have to do differently is, but here are my thoughts.
Keep each other (and the people around us) informed of what is ACTUALLY happening. The media can't really be trusted anymore in a world where the president is a master of the art of spectacle. This doesn't mean just fear monger.
Keep people safe. We're all gonna be having tough times ahead. This new world will need survival guides, walking groups, etc. Be open to helping the people on this board that you hate.
Continue making the middle class uncomfortable. Show them that they don't get to be comfortable under a Trump presidency. Shame them creatively while also giving them breadcrumbs to figure out the truth. Don't unfriend people on facebook who disagree with you!! Trump supporters are stubborn, they're not going to unfriend you, so cash in on that and shove whatever you want onto their newsfeed.
Channel all the pain and suffering and anxiety that these 2-4-8 years cause into some works of fucking art.
Quote from: NeonWytch on November 12, 2016, 05:21:11 PM
I wasn't around here during those early 2000s, so I wouldn't really know much about what we'd have to do differently is, but here are my thoughts.
Keep each other (and the people around us) informed of what is ACTUALLY happening. The media can't really be trusted anymore in a world where the president is a master of the art of spectacle. This doesn't mean just fear monger.
Keep people safe. We're all gonna be having tough times ahead. This new world will need survival guides, walking groups, etc. Be open to helping the people on this board that you hate.
Continue making the middle class uncomfortable. Show them that they don't get to be comfortable under a Trump presidency. Shame them creatively while also giving them breadcrumbs to figure out the truth. Don't unfriend people on facebook who disagree with you!! Trump supporters are stubborn, they're not going to unfriend you, so cash in on that and shove whatever you want onto their newsfeed.
Channel all the pain and suffering and anxiety that these 2-4-8 years cause into some works of fucking art.
Keep in mind that some of this advice isn't very good once you stop assuming everyone you're talking to is white.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 12, 2016, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 12, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Something has to get people fired up enough to get out of their comfort zones. If it comes down to survival , it is pretty sad but maybe what's necessary.
This entire election is literally all about half the population -- largely the white, middle-class half -- trying to cling to their comfort zone, while the other half is already struggling for survival, and therefore trying to push for change.
Boy I fucking hope so. 100million people didn't vote. I'd say that's quite a comfortable bubble to be in.
I know that there are local laws designed to suppress various demographics from voting but 100 million? I'm still wrapping my head around it
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 12, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 12, 2016, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Bu☆ns on November 12, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Something has to get people fired up enough to get out of their comfort zones. If it comes down to survival , it is pretty sad but maybe what's necessary.
This entire election is literally all about half the population -- largely the white, middle-class half -- trying to cling to their comfort zone, while the other half is already struggling for survival, and therefore trying to push for change.
Boy I fucking hope so. 100million people didn't vote. I'd say that's quite a comfortable bubble to be in.
I know that there are local laws designed to suppress various demographics from voting but 100 million? I'm still wrapping my head around it
Voter participation, in recent history, hovers at about 50%. Because it is higher in states with better access to voting, up to nearly 68%, it is reasonable to deduce that up to about 18% of the eligible nonvoters did not vote due to access policies that are obstructive. Of the rest, if you look at voter demographics, only 20% of eligible people under 30 vote. Inexperience and lack of understanding probably heavily influence the other 80%, culminating in not voting. This is also the 2nd-largest voting bloc after Boomers.