Female Spider-Woman Cover: "I don't even" arguments edition

[Faust]

There's nothing quite like people who don't have a problem telling people with a problem that they don't see the problem.

In this case it is a bit of a sticky one. The artist does lots of porn, lots of porn with a bit of sci-fi, and some sci-fi . In his porn he can draw as many asses in the air and people wont complain. Someone's not going to read his illustration of Story of O and say; Hang on, THEY'RE OBJECTIFYING HER.

It's very weird that Marvel chose to use him for to market this.

[Ben Shapiro]

ON TOPIC RANT:

I just had a rude awakening. Superheroes aren't people most of them are hybrids/mutants/semi-divine beings, they're not the average joe making a killing, or the cop with a heart of god working their way to the meat grinder, so these complaints about Superheroes not being PC tend to rub me the wrong way since they're fictional characters for the most part.

LMNO's post earlier of She-Hulk made me question myself : When do you (us) draw the line, and say let neckbeard artists be neckbeard artists?


My complaint was the generic template being used by DC comics. When imagine someone named Catwoman/Catman I imagine someone nimble/petite/light. Same thing as someone named the Tank I expect a large juggernaut kicking houses.


OFF TOPIC RANT:

I'm starting to really fucking hate comics who have these supernatural jackasses pick political spectrum as if it was some sort of political vote If buy MARVEL you support "X DERP".

Maybe it's just me reading Marvel"s "Civil War" series. Where Ironman (RWHN) now feels sad that some middle class white woman's assets have been killed in a AMATEUR Super Hero vs AMATEUR Super Villian Brawl, and proposes all Super Heroes register with the government so the public feels safe and secure because THE CHILDREN!

Captain America (TGGR) says eat a dick something something something Patrick Henry, and the majority sides with Captain America because we love freedom. Ironman enlists "Reformed Super-Villians" (DEA) to shut Captain America and all the those uppity freedom loving superheroes (Nigel's of the world) that they don't know what they want, and all this bloodshed of Super Hero vs Super Hero is WORTH IT IF I SAVES THE HAIR ON ONE WHITE CHILD.

Captain America realizes this can't go on because the one people benefiting from this are SUPER VILLIANS worldwide. So Captain America turns himself in, but tells them they're not arresting Captain America they're arresting Steve Rogers, so Ironman you lose, and freedom lives on.

I've read the main series 3 times already, and I get more ticked off reading this shit

[hooplala]

I'm pretty sure Tony Stark being a Republican has been an identifying character trait since the beginning, but I could be wrong.

[xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)]

I'm pretty sure Tony Stark being a Republican has been an identifying character trait since the beginning, but I could be wrong.

But being an idiot hasnt been. Cable came right out and said that Pro-Reg is the wrong way to go. Theres having a political bias, and then theres actively ignoring the advice of a dude from the future.

[Ben Shapiro]

POP Quiz who is a bigger Free Market AnCap Tard?

Batman, or The Punisher

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

well yea, but she-Hulks thing isn't crawling up buildings in a spider-like manner. One of her things however, was jump roping naked for an entire issue once.

Pop quiz, hotshot: Is this sexualizing or objectifying?

It's objectifying to all the green gamma-rayed women in the world.

Just kidding it's neither, but then again this isn't TUMBLR.

i would say its sexualizing her in the sense that yes, i'm sure some jerkoff jerked off to those panels once upon a time, but it's not objectifying because that issue was essentially there to tease and undermine that jerkoff in the first place and so the character retains dignity because it is being done for lulz as well as subvert a trope of females being posed just to give their readers something to look at

[Ben Shapiro]

well yea, but she-Hulks thing isn't crawling up buildings in a spider-like manner. One of her things however, was jump roping naked for an entire issue once.

Pop quiz, hotshot: Is this sexualizing or objectifying?

It's objectifying to all the green gamma-rayed women in the world.

Just kidding it's neither, but then again this isn't TUMBLR.

i would say its sexualizing her in the sense that yes, i'm sure some jerkoff jerked off to those panels once upon a time, but it's not objectifying because that issue was essentially there to tease and undermine that jerkoff in the first place and so the character retains dignity because it is being done for lulz as well as subvert a trope of females being posed just to give their readers something to look at

WHAT KIND OF SICK FUCK DOESN'T FAP TO PONIES?!!?!??!

[Junkenstein]

There's nothing quite like people who don't have a problem telling people with a problem that they don't see the problem.

In this case it is a bit of a sticky one. The artist does lots of porn, lots of porn with a bit of sci-fi, and some sci-fi . In his porn he can draw as many asses in the air and people wont complain. Someone's not going to read his illustration of Story of O and say; Hang on, THEY'RE OBJECTIFYING HER.

It's very weird that Marvel chose to use him for to market this.

What's strange for me is that we're talking about a company that is owned/controlled by Disney. I'm surprised there's not more made from that link. I suppose if your film division is churning out 2 hour shitfests that everyone throws money at, you can be pretty liberal with the guest artists you hire.

Taking the cynical approach for a moment, I assume that most artists/writers/etc of a certain size/fame have a fanbase that will buy anything they've done because they've done it. From that, I'd guess you can predict minimum numbers likely to be sold (Artist fans, obsessive collectors etc) do some quick calculations and figure out if you hire them or not. I have no idea what a cover would be charged at, but I would not suspect huge numbers. If you know you only need to sell X to be profitable and you already have Y pre-sold, it's not a decision you'll spend a lot of time on or care about. There's cat videos on youtube.

Another possibility is that he was a last minute fill-in when another dropped out. Sometimes you just have to go with the guy who says "Yes, I can meet that deadline" and you deal with the fallout after it. I would say it's only fair to treat them with the same level of incompetence and poor planning you expect from other companies so why not here?

A final point to note is that for everything there is, someone will masturbate to it. If Marvel really wanted to make serious cash, they'd license official "adult" shit under some line. I think they had a line for "Serious violence" so a "Marvel Erotica" doesn't seem impossible to me, as tragic as such a thing would be. At least such a thing would be a damn sight more honest and while you'd probably take some shit over it, no-ones going to be surprised or shocked by the cover/content.


Realistically, I would suspect Marvel to be pretty much immune to any real attempts at change as long as they're still churning out blockbuster films. I would guess you'd need to see a couple of serious flops (I.e - No ones goes and pays them money to see this shit) before they'll take a serious look at the various issues that persist with comics. This isn't likely when idiots keep throwing the $20 to see a man in flag/robot/space/spandex/etc. suit punch goons.

[Cain]

You have to remember though that this is the American public.  Jack Bauer going all Gestapo = prime time television viewing.  Slipped nipple = months of outrage.  The sex can be implied, especially with tight, leather costumes, but never explicitly shown.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

There's nothing quite like people who don't have a problem telling people with a problem that they don't see the problem.

In this case it is a bit of a sticky one. The artist does lots of porn, lots of porn with a bit of sci-fi, and some sci-fi . In his porn he can draw as many asses in the air and people wont complain. Someone's not going to read his illustration of Story of O and say; Hang on, THEY'RE OBJECTIFYING HER.

It's very weird that Marvel chose to use him for to market this.

What's strange for me is that we're talking about a company that is owned/controlled by Disney. I'm surprised there's not more made from that link. I suppose if your film division is churning out 2 hour shitfests that everyone throws money at, you can be pretty liberal with the guest artists you hire.

Taking the cynical approach for a moment, I assume that most artists/writers/etc of a certain size/fame have a fanbase that will buy anything they've done because they've done it. From that, I'd guess you can predict minimum numbers likely to be sold (Artist fans, obsessive collectors etc) do some quick calculations and figure out if you hire them or not. I have no idea what a cover would be charged at, but I would not suspect huge numbers. If you know you only need to sell X to be profitable and you already have Y pre-sold, it's not a decision you'll spend a lot of time on or care about. There's cat videos on youtube.

Another possibility is that he was a last minute fill-in when another dropped out. Sometimes you just have to go with the guy who says "Yes, I can meet that deadline" and you deal with the fallout after it. I would say it's only fair to treat them with the same level of incompetence and poor planning you expect from other companies so why not here?

A final point to note is that for everything there is, someone will masturbate to it. If Marvel really wanted to make serious cash, they'd license official "adult" shit under some line. I think they had a line for "Serious violence" so a "Marvel Erotica" doesn't seem impossible to me, as tragic as such a thing would be. At least such a thing would be a damn sight more honest and while you'd probably take some shit over it, no-ones going to be surprised or shocked by the cover/content.


Realistically, I would suspect Marvel to be pretty much immune to any real attempts at change as long as they're still churning out blockbuster films. I would guess you'd need to see a couple of serious flops (I.e - No ones goes and pays them money to see this shit) before they'll take a serious look at the various issues that persist with comics. This isn't likely when idiots keep throwing the $20 to see a man in flag/robot/space/spandex/etc. suit punch goons.

Pretty off topic, but i would just like to point out that one of my favorite mangas right now are drawn by a former hentai artist and it is PRICELESS:
http://www.mangahere.co/manga/shokugeki_no_soma/
That is all. Carry on.

[minuspace]

It's all about proportion...  Femoral proportion.