[was going to post, but then 000 said exactly what I was going to]
There's only a handful of you, and you're acting like obsessed lunatics.
I honestly wouldn't want to ever be washed up on the shore unconscious on an island run by you lot.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Cain on February 16, 2008, 08:50:53 PM
No other school shootings have resulted in government crackdowns under Bush.
Institutional crackdowns from schools and colleges is another matter entirely. I don't know if the colleges have done anything since Virginia Tech, but I know schools frequently make use of body searches, expulsions and suspensions in the weeks after school shootings, often with little more than personal prejudice at work (since the FBI profile for a school shooter is "white, male, access to firearms" and so functionally useless)
Quote from: triple zero on February 08, 2008, 08:12:12 PM
afaik,
OTC = Over The Counter [Drug]
it's what american highschool kids get high off
Quote from: triple zero on February 14, 2008, 11:23:33 PM
that sounds like a plan. tomorrow = when? cause over here valentine's already over.
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 13, 2008, 09:20:54 PMQuote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 13, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
But isn't a change in perceptions still a change?Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch on February 13, 2008, 09:02:50 PM
By changing the input, you change that person. Our experiences, as we perceive them, define at least some of our personality. Wouldn't changing a person's environment change their personality, at least a little? That's as much of a change in perception as altering their perception of their current environment, or at least can be.
Changing perceptions seems to me like... changing perceptions, not changing who we are.
I'll go back to Leary here. Let's say that we imprinted Low on the first circuit (fight/flee) as a child. No matter what perceptions we change... what new ideas we think about. We don't change that basic program. We might learn to compensate for it in some manner, but the basic YOU would still have the initial response to run when faced with danger.
Now, if you take up a martial art, or live through a horrific event, there may be a metaprogramming change to that circuit and fundamentally modify the homunculus inside you. However, thats not gonna happen by breaking a few bars... it takes a lot more than that, I think.
To wrap this back around to the OP, st verbatim is talking about a preference shift in what pron turns him on, that's not a change to who he is necessarily... now, if we say that st. verbatim used to only enjoy rape and bondage pics, and thought that lap dances were always better when the stripper was crying... then, after experiencing life with this particular female, only liked porn where the two appears as partners. I would say that we have an argument for actual change to the person, particularly to the fourth circuit metaphor. I would also guess that the experience was something extreme in one way or another to evoke such a change (and that it was the physical experiences, not just expanding perceptions that caused the change).
If however, his criteria for good porn was "nice ass and nice tits" and now they take second place to "woman is enjoying herself"... he's still him, but he's got a bit of a broader (no pun intended) perspective.
Does that seem sensible?
Quote from: Ratatosk on February 13, 2008, 08:39:12 PMQuote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 13, 2008, 08:26:11 PMQuote from: Ratatosk on February 13, 2008, 08:04:04 PMQuote from: LMNO on February 13, 2008, 07:27:55 PMQuoteif if the Bars were really YOU, then we couldn't change them could we?
Are you saying we can't change ourselves?
I'm saying that it appears to me that:
1. We can change how we perceive ourselves and our environment.
2. Such a change in perception, coupled with experiences can affect our behavior.
Changing some perceptions (changing some bars in the prison) doesn't necessarily modify who we are.... only the data we're currently considering at the time.
Like I said, I think this is an area where the metaphor feels kinda constraining.
For example, I used to identify myself as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I eventually broke down those bars... but I was still me, even though I was considering new ideas, I'm still me, even though the me that is typing this, perceives things differently than I did before.
Maybe the problem here is that the OP and most of our discussions are still using the 'is' of identity.
So you think that you as the JW is exactly the same you as you, not the JW? No difference at all?
Yes, there's a very big difference in the data I perceive. Experiences that I have had, have further modified the aspects of reality I focus on, and even what I consider reality to be... but the little homunculus that looks out of my eyes is still the same little homunculus. He has a much nicer view though.
Do we change who the horse is, if we take off his blinders? Do we change who the person is, if we make them wear sunglasses? Or are we just changing the input stream between their homunculus and reality?
Quote from: Cain on February 13, 2008, 08:27:18 PM
Bharlion is Bharlion.
Sorry to crush any conspiracy theories you all had going there.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 13, 2008, 01:27:51 PM
Childhood? Fuck am I really that old?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on February 12, 2008, 07:38:39 PM
Not sure if it was the movie but it is from the Jetsons.
Fun Fact: The Violent Femmes did a cover of that song on the Saturday Morning Cartoons album.