So voting is tomorrow and I still have no idea really who I will vote for or why indeed I should vote for anyone in particular.
There is so much rhetoric and one-sided opinions being thrown around by not only party leaders but the TV/newspapers/internet. I guess part of the problem is I don't know who or what to believe when i'm told things.
That raises an interesting point on the skill of critical thinking and whether we are adequately taught such a thing as we grow up but that's probably a discussion for another thread.
What are all your thoughts on the matter?
People died so that you would have the right to vote.
Just something else for you to think about.
Voting for something you don't believe in is a betrayal of the democratic principle they died for.
Democracy isn't just sticking an X by a name every few years.
It is a difficult decision, I cant actively vote against all of them unless there is a reopen nominations option.
The only party I like is the SNP and they dont have anyone running in essex.
Its also worth bearing in mind that the UK system isn't designed for nationwide considerations, as much as the popular media would like you to believe it is.
You are electing a representative for your area. That's why we use First Past the Post instead of a more sensible system; whoever you elect is supposed to be the individual you believe would best serve the interests of your community, not which party you think has the best policies to hand. I'd recommend reading up on who your specific choices are and see if you can find anything on their previous voting record/career/any statements on issues you think are important, and ignore the national debates as much as possible. I've heard some people decry that decisions about local theatres and bypasses might dictate the national government, but that is actually what the system is designed to do. You're supposed to force the politicians to put the local community first, rather than party interest. It just doesn't actually happen in almost all cases.
This is especially important to keep in mind given that there is no good option being presented at a national level. You've got mega austerity, marginally less austerity, the 'anything for power' party, and varying levels of batshit insanity who won't have any real chance of having their policies enacted anyway, which means their local representatives are even more important than for the parties with a strong whip if you want to see them get in.
For my part, I'm going to vote Labour purely because the local representative actually got back to me about my query to him and offered to meet me face to face to discuss a few issues. I have a personal vendetta against our Conservative MP who has been in place for 23 years, and although I don't think the Labour representative will get in, maybe UKIP will split the vote enough we get a shock upset. Or maybe if we can diminish her majority enough, this'll be the last five years of her career.
That's my hope, anyway.
I'm in a Labour safe seatt, so my vote is literally worthless.
That said. I'm voting Greens. Better for protest votes than the Lib Dems, after the last few years, and the local candidate actually has some council level political experience. The party themselves have some fairly...uh, odd ideas regarding the environment, I must say. but since it doesn't matter...
There's always the 38 degrees solution. Tick the boxes it'll tell you which party is your best match.
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/-/html/votematch.html
It told me I should vote Plaid Cymru but I'm still gonna vote Labour to try and get the Tory out.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to complain about how dull the election campaign has been.
If it is going to be a media circus, can we at least get some good acts? The highlight has been Russell Goddamn Brand and Boris Johnson's increasingly incoherent blathering. No big splashes, no bigoted women, nothing! Even UKIP have only been predictably offensive.
Get your act together already. :argh!:
Aw come on. If you didn't get a thrill from today's UKIP death threats I have to assume you are not serious about politics :wink:
QuoteThe Mirror published a video of Mr Blay speaking to its investigators at a public meeting on Saturday in Ramsgate, Kent, addressed by party leader Nigel Farage.
Ex-Conservative Mr Blay noted Mr Jayawardena had been tipped as Britain's first Asian prime minister.
Ranil Jayawardena has said he is shocked by Robert Blay's comments
The Mirror reported that he said: "If he is I will personally put a bullet between his eyes. If this lad turns up to be our prime minister I will personally put a bullet in him. That's how strong I feel about it."
Questioning Mr Jayawardena's background, he said: "His family have only been here since the 70s. You are not British enough to be in our parliament.
"I've got 400 years of ancestry where I live. He hasn't got that."
Yep he really is a charmer
http://www.news.com.au/world/ukip-candidate-robert-blay-suspended-after-shocking-rant-against-rival/story-fndir2ev-1227338163849
That's true, that was an impressive level of psychopathy.
But I want the Cambot to have a full-on tantrum about his failure to pull ahead despite spending more than 10 times the amount Labour has. He hasn't even had a little cry yet, and he did that for the Scottish vote! :sad:
But he has got a bit shouty and taken his tie off. Miracles take slightly longer.
The real entertainment will be over the weekend. I think we all know this.
I've got secret hopes that Labour and the Conservatives declare the SNP a threat as big as Hitler, requiring a unity government. No-one will ever see it coming.
In somewhat more serious news, watching both Labour and the Tories use the SNP as a stick to beat each other with just makes me think the union probably isn't going to last too long. If no-one will take them seriously, constitutional reform a la Germany or Switzerland just isn't going to happen. And without that sort of quite radical reform, the SNP will eventually have the support to declare independence...and day will come even sooner, as long as the main parties keep on acting the way they do.
It makes you wonder just what their handlers are on. Roll on proportional representation, eh?
Well, the scottish have decided en masse to reject the only three (maybe two really) options we're supposed to have.
They're up there giving people ideas and that isn't meant to be a thing.
Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2015, 03:59:19 PM
It makes you wonder just what their handlers are on. Roll on proportional representation, eh?
I think after the SNP take 40 or so seats on 5% of the vote, while UKIP will be lucky to get 1/8th of that on double the amount of voters...well that alongside the current political situation may convince people to take another look at reworking the voting system. I mean, if a majority cannot be guaranteed under FPTP, I think even the big parties might be open to alternatives.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 06, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Well, the scottish have decided en masse to reject the only three (maybe two really) options we're supposed to have.
They're up there giving people ideas and that isn't meant to be a thing.
I don't even think it's that. It's just they're so pathetically short-sighted and myopically focused on London that they don't realise how much of an earthquake the SNP could be. The last referendum was close run and the SNP can justifiably claim the government went back on its promises. Meaning they will almost certainly demand another referendum, whether its in the next parliamentary cycle or the one after that.
This is the kind of instability which makes investors and spooks cautious. Our own
and outsiders. If it continues, or gets worse, I can see whole reams of "unintended consequences" further down the line...just because Cameron and Miliband wanted to be charge that badly.
Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2015, 03:08:58 PM
There's always the 38 degrees solution. Tick the boxes it'll tell you which party is your best match.
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/-/html/votematch.html
It told me I should vote Plaid Cymru but I'm still gonna vote Labour to try and get the Tory out.
It tells me I am closer to Conservatives followed by Greens.
I'm not voting UKIP because they will have me on the steam boat with my bindle back to Ireland if they get their way.
Theres a woman running for the greens with no political experience who has acted as a chartity worker so I guess I'll vote for her.
Sounds like a good choice
I keep on being told by a variety of tests that my foreign and security policy views are Conservative. Oh, if only. I want the UK to have an independent nuclear-threshold and limited second-strike capability with a strong naval force projection and to reconfigure the UK's military to act as an offshore balancer/specialist role alongside other regional actors while strengthening the UN and other regional bodies' military capability and increasing foreign aid.
The Tories, on the other hand, are all like herp derp lets just do what we've always done, and what Washington tells us. But because that registers as "strong military" preference, it gets keyed as Tory. It's almost like...these tests are incapable of nuance and pigeon-hole people on the basis of facile stereotypes with little relation to the complex reality of political preference.
Quote from: Faust on May 06, 2015, 04:16:10 PM
Theres a woman running for the greens with no political experience who has acted as a chartity worker so I guess I'll vote for her.
The Green candidate for me is pretty much the male equivalent. Mid-twenties charity worker and occasional Huffington Post UK contributor. Sounds like a sure bet.
He's against HS2 which I have never understood all the hate for. High-speed rail sounds good to me. But other than that his policies aren't too bad.
I shall be spoiling my ballot as usual in the most obscene way possible.
I have no idea why anyone even fucking bothers in this country. First past the post is fundamentally flawed and there will be the same shit continued under the next government as the last. Even in times of "austerity" it doesn't magically stop being a two man con.
And I'm calling it one last time - Labour/Ukip coalition incoming. If I'm right I'm going to probably die laughing.
Hmmm, I thought I was in a different constituency to the one I actually am (in my defence, I did move here only a few months ago).
My sitting MP is Emily Thornberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Thornberry#Parliamentary_career), who is actually one of the better people in Labour. I might have to consider voting for her. An Attorney General who isn't keen on the Terrorism Act would be quite interesting...
A "last minute" BBC poll puts the Tories back in power as a minority government.
I'm a bit suspicious, as it seems to give the Tories a fair bit more support than other recent polls have suggested. But it's still possible.
Meanwhile, people are arranging for protests against the Tories at Downing Street. Protesting what exactly, I'm not sure, but protests regardless.
Epidemic of clothes-eating promises by politicians. Alistair Campbell says he will eat his kilt if SNP get 58 seats. Lord Ashcroft says he will eat his hat if the Lib Dems get 10 seats or less. Nigel Farage has said he will eat one illegal immigrant every day until we withdraw from the EU.
Labour just lost three seats to the SNP.
(http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif)
Make that 11 seats from Labour and one from the Lib Dems.
But don't worry Labour supporters! Miliband took Ealing from the Tories :lol:
Simon Hughes and Vince Cable are out.
Sadly, Nick Clegg retained his seat.
Quote from: Cain on May 08, 2015, 05:01:03 AM
Simon Hughes and Vince Cable are out.
Sadly, Nick Clegg retained his seat.
Which is going to be pretty irrelevant if he is a chief without indians in the next parliament
Hey hey hey hey hey hey now.
There's a whole 5 more Lib Dems who have been re-elected to Parliament. 5. That's enough to be a Power Rangers team.
Depressing results so far. Looks like the Cambot is gearing up for a second iteration.
Then again, it isn't like there were any good outcomes available, so.
The Scottish result seems really good, I hope they act as a good opposition party.
They don't have enough votes to form a good opposition. They're about as good as they can possibly get, but all it is likely to achieve in the long run is the Union breaking up faster.
If I had any faith that Labour would take the result to mean they actually need to take an anti-austerity stance, I'd be more hopeful, but everyone is painting it as a backlash against the independence referendum rather than looking at what the SNP said they were actually standing for.
I'm betting Milliband and Clegg will be out. No idea who will replace them, but in both cases they're going to shift further towards the right in a misguided belief that this will win them back votes next time, because that seems to be what we get these days. Both will shriek about how dangerous and destabilizing the SNP are, since that narrative captured the public imagination and is probably a key factor in the Conservative's success. No party can embrace the SNP without being rendered unelectable in England - which is where they need to win next time - so the SNP will largely be alienated and ignored, leading to further (deserved) resentment north of the border.
Well there's one thing that we learned that was worthwhile:
(http://greatbritishpolitics.co.uk/images/127256860_Farage_410438b.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4F4qzPbcFiA/maxresdefault.jpg)
We now have UKIP moaning about how unfair first past the post is.
I'm honestly surprised at how disappointed I am.
My local MP, who I hate, almost tripled her majority for a start. :argh!:
And it isn't like Milliband would have been much better, but the Tories are going to be so fucking insufferably smug about their not-quite-a-majority.
I'd take that a step further and say that Milliband would implement almost identical policies to those that are coming.
In terms of actual political opinions, most MP's are forced to be square in the centre to secure the votes needed under FPTP. The result is what we've had for decades, interchangeable grey faces shoving neo-con policies with various levels of polish and spin.
At this stage, UK politics is really little more than voting for your favourite colour.
Genuinely, I'm not sure I believe that.
The spending plans of the two main parties had the biggest gap they've had since world war 2. Labour just capitulated to the rhetoric of austerity, when they should have been talking about an end to austerity and a measured recovery. Sure, they'd institute some cuts too - but they were looking at reversing the NHS change (which, having had first hand experience of it, I can guarantee was implemented purely to cause the NHS to fail and open the door for private investment), and they wouldn't carry on with Iain Duncan Smith's benefits changes which have already been killing people.
Would it have been a country that looks vastly different? Dunno. There's a lot of areas where they are very similar. But I think those two policy areas would have changed for the better.
I've not got the numbers to hand, but I would assume that more than a few Labour MP's have an interest in medical/pharmaceutical fields and stand to benefit considerably as a result of being able to shove their private interests in there. It's just a different set of mates and companies that happen to start picking up the contracts. In the meantime, the long standing agreements with shitshows such as G4S, Crapita, etc. etc. etc. will continue for no real logical reason beyond the fact that there must be some set of civil servants somewhere being nicely taken care of.
Edit for emphasis. For reference see previous posts relating to UK being corrupt as fuck.
Yeah, no, I know they do - but they'd specifically promised to get rid of the current framework which is fucking everything up. That's the full extent of my expectation, really.
That would have been nice. Instead we will carry on doing the same thing but harder for sure - because that's what we've collectively asked for.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 06, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
I shall be spoiling my ballot as usual in the most obscene way possible.
For those interested, this was achieved through the following method:
1- On paper, all boxes filled with "Fuck no!"
2- Back of paper - "This system is fundamentally flawed and it's a fucking joke to call it democracy when it is designed to alienate the views of the majority of the electorate by default. This is beyond all reason to use a system of the past when you live in the fucking future. The system is designed to create short-sighted poor decisions by transient interests alleged to represent a community as a whole. The system is not your friend. It is not anyone's friend. And it is clearly very fucking broken"
3 - Paper shoved into back of pants.
4 - Quick dance, This time I went for the classic "Hustle".
5- Paper out of pants and into voting box.
I'm sure as hell not going to take politics in this country seriously. It's been a joke for years.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 08, 2015, 09:25:53 AM
Yeah, no, I know they do - but they'd specifically promised to get rid of the current framework which is fucking everything up. That's the full extent of my expectation, really.
That would have been nice. Instead we will carry on doing the same thing but harder for sure - because that's what we've collectively asked for.
Well, that's it spelled out clear as crystal. "We'll get rid of this shit thing (their mates) and use NEW thing (Our mates)". Seems like enough money made it's way around the existing set of friends.
It's comical, really. All parties talk about how important the NHS is, yet not one will actually take steps to remove the ability of parliament to meddle in/with it.
Farage lost, and seems to have confirmed he really will resign!
Pity Al Murray didn't win, but you can't have everything.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 08, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Farage lost, and seems to have confirmed he really will resign!
Pity Al Murray didn't win, but you can't have everything.
Nah, I reckon he had his fingers crossed behind his back. He has stood down so he can have his summer hols and then he is going to decide whether to stand for the leadership again in the autumn. Sneaky fucker. Probably the only admirable thing about Farage, his supreme sneakiness.
Welp, I was wrong.
They're going to be insufferable about their marginal majority. :horrormirth:
Quote from: MMIX on May 08, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 08, 2015, 11:14:15 AM
Farage lost, and seems to have confirmed he really will resign!
Pity Al Murray didn't win, but you can't have everything.
Nah, I reckon he had his fingers crossed behind his back. He has stood down so he can have his summer hols and then he is going to decide whether to stand for the leadership again in the autumn. Sneaky fucker. Probably the only admirable thing about Farage, his supreme sneakiness.
That and the last time he quit Lord Pearson led UKIP into some really fucked up Neo-Nazish territory.
I don't like Farage, but I would say he is mostly a blowhard, not an actual Nazi. Lord Pearson, on the other hand, was going full hog on the Eurabia and creeping sharia nonsense, among other things.
Clegg, Miliband and Farage all stepped down.
Damn, it's truly a slaughterhouse now.
Looking at the data, both the Tories and Labour actually increased the share of the vote very slightly, but the Tories were better at taking advantage of the Lib Dem collapse.
I'm just loving that the nation felt this unstoppable compulsion to punish Clegg for letting the Tories in last time by annihilating the Lib Dems who have restrained the Evil Tories for the last 5 years and . . .
handing that twat Cameron his very own parliamentary Majority. I mean you couldn't make it up, nobody would believe it. Much like the exit polls, really.
People were more afraid of the SNP getting power than they were Cameron.
Because if we were ruled under an SNP/Labour/Lib Dem coalition, Scotland would divert billions into a giant saw in order to cut itself away from the rest of the UK for good, or something. I was never really very clear what the 'threat' was given they said over and over they wouldn't demand another referendum.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 08, 2015, 03:18:46 PM
People were more afraid of the SNP getting power than they were Cameron.
Because if we were ruled under an SNP/Labour/Lib Dem coalition, Scotland would divert billions into a giant saw in order to cut itself away from the rest of the UK for good, or something. I was never really very clear what the 'threat' was given they said over and over they wouldn't demand another referendum.
My best guess is that a credible threat just has to have an identity, however vague, that can be repeated ad nauseam. That is after all how memes work.
Because people have no fucking clue about how this country is actually run (a state of ignorance many politicians seem content with) and so have no idea about things like the Barnett Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula).
Quote from: Cain on May 08, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
Because people have no fucking clue about how this country is actually run (a state of ignorance many politicians seem content with) and so have no idea about things like the Barnett Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula).
You mean that bit of pro-Scots / anti-Welsh and N Irish shit that idiot Joel Barnett worked out on the back of a fag packet in a motorway services when he should have been getting some beauty sleep? That Barnett formula? <Hysterical laughter ensues>
Sorry. I've been up all night and the BBC news channel have just dragged out a new version of the swingometer so I'm definitely getting a bit hyper.
BUT, But. Something I have noticed this time round which I suspect may indicate an underlying sea-change in UK politics. For years like right back to Harold MacMillan the first PM I actually remember I have been driven batty by those ghastly vox-pops where some housewife / labouring chap in the street is asked what the result of the election should be and utters those unforgettable words. "Well I think its about time we had a change". And it was a very powerful meme for the longest time. I can attest to its ubiquity over nearly 50 years of elections.
Now you can say what you like about the quality of political debate and the depth of political sophistication in the UK body politic but this time round nobody, not even fucking Joey Essex ffs, has suggested that we just need to vote for the political pendulum to swing back the way it just came from in order to alleviate all the nations political woes.
I've honestly not read any of the reactions so far. Is it really that bad?
Then again, the most vacuous Prime Minister since we had a monarchy without German genes is not only in charge, but voted back in with a majority so it probably is, isn't it?
Well it could be worse, I suppose. At least with the idiot Cameron more or less secure it is marginally less likely that the appalling Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson will get into power before I am too damn old to give a shit.
You'll get the dithering dolt next election, opposition pm.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 08, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
You'll get the dithering dolt next election, opposition pm.
If I'm really lucky I will be dead by then
Quote from: MMIX on May 08, 2015, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 08, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
You'll get the dithering dolt next election, opposition pm.
If I'm really lucky I will be dead by then
You won't be that lucky.
It shall be the final victory of style over substance and proof you can win an election without actually making a single intelligible statement.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 08, 2015, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: MMIX on May 08, 2015, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 08, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
You'll get the dithering dolt next election, opposition pm.
If I'm really lucky I will be dead by then
You won't be that lucky.
It shall be the final victory of style over substance and proof you can win an election without actually making a single intelligible statement.
You haven't been watching Cameron then have you ? :wink:
The UK electorate does like proving HL Mencken right, don't they?
Hmm. This one seems fairly appropriate, was this the one you were thinking of?
QuoteThe whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/h_l_mencken.html#zMkyxwm96DxEpKAD.99
I was thinking more:
QuoteDemocracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
Gotta love Mencken :lol:
also apropos politics
QuoteFor every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
H. L. Mencken
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/h_l_mencken.html#zMkyxwm96DxEpKAD.99
I went straight to 'the common man is a fool.'
All seem to apply.
Any solid info on the protests? Struggling to get anything sensible here.
Charlotte Church and a bunch of anarchists and students showed up to protest. And by "a bunch" I mean "less than 100".
A couple got arsey and threw around some smoke grenades, so the police beat the shit out of them
At one point a bicycle was hurled at police.
QuoteSeveral hundred people took part in the demonstration with at least 25 black-clad youths wearing face masks, sunglasses and even balaclavas.
Police were forced to close Whitehall to traffic as they dealt with the escalating situation.
A group of the protesters attempted to push their way through barricades, while some smoke bombs were let off.
The Metropolitan Police were forced to deploy officers on horseback and riot police in response to the violent scenes.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074951/Socialist-siege-Downing-Street-Hard-left-activists-clash-police-following-David-Cameron-s-triumphant-return-Number-10
Well that patently required the deployment of horses and riot police. I mean, good gracious, anarchists in SUNGLASSES!!!!
I'm with Laurie Penny
Quote'The people vandalising of memory of what the women of World War II fought for are sitting in Downing Street right now.
What is disgusting is that some people are more worried about a war memorial than the destruction of the welfare state.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074951/Socialist-siege-Downing-Street-Hard-left-activists-clash-police-following-David-Cameron-s-triumphant-return-Number-10.html#ixzz3ZlOADrxU
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Ooh nifty source!
I like this one
QuoteEvery normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
But this one is more apropos
QuoteI confess I enjoy democracy immensely. It is incomparably idiotic, and hence incomparably amusing.
Would it be unreasonable to assume that the vandalism was possibly the work of Police/intelligence services? Seems like the ideal thing to get people pissed off at protesters and ignore what any protest is about.
Less than 100 protesters, I'd still place money on there being double digits of undercover cops lurking. Any takers?
No, not unreasonable at all.
Frankly, given what we've seen of the security services, part of me wonders if there might not have been widespread manipulation of the vote in order to ensure that the SNP stayed reasonably far away from relevance.
But that's getting into tinfoil hat territory.
Quote from: Junkenstein on May 11, 2015, 09:31:36 AM
Would it be unreasonable to assume that the vandalism was possibly the work of Police/intelligence services? Seems like the ideal thing to get people pissed off at protesters and ignore what any protest is about.
Less than 100 protesters, I'd still place money on there being double digits of undercover cops lurking. Any takers?
Double digits? I'll take that bet.
I say single digit undercover cops.
I propose the winner gets 3 WOMPs of their choosing.
Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2015, 02:09:03 PM
People died so that you would have the right to vote.
Just something else for you to think about.
People Die because you vote!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXI9KNAQJAs
Hey, did you hear the one about the kosher elephant in the meeting room . . ?
I found this an interesting read
http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/may/09/david-baddiel-i-am-going-to-talk-about-difficult-stuff
QuoteConstantly referred to as the "North London Ed Miliband" ("everyone knows that's just another word for Jewish"), Baddiel points to the construction of the Labour leader as this nerdy, alien outsider who can't eat a bacon sandwich.
I have been waiting patiently for the last month for someone to be honest enough to take the
Miliband is a weirdo Jew sub-text and run with it. Apparently I wasn't the only one who heard it.
So, Caroline Dunnage, the new Equalities Minister, voted against same sex marriage.
I'm glad to see that Cameron is taking bold steps to get rid of all that nasty equality. :horrormirth:
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 12, 2015, 02:54:09 PM
So, Caroline Dunnage, the new Equalities Minister, voted against same sex marriage.
I'm glad to see that Cameron is taking bold steps to get rid of all that nasty equality. :horrormirth:
Yeah. That makes me really sad for so many reasons. Not least of which is that I used to enjoy watching her dad Fred Dinenage on the tv when he presented "HOW"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XK0RImTvh0
Wow, that is so darned old I'm surprised it isn't in black and white or maybe cuneiform
Maybe Cameron is hoping that he can convert her with the equalities job. After all the last one has now said she would vote for it. Mind you, she blamed her constituents for not telling her that she should be voting for marriage equality, so maybe she's just a bit slow on the uptake.
She's not on her own though. The new intake are not the happy clappy type, apparently. They seem more like my MP - 10 years a huntmaster and voted against marriage equality - so that's me with effectively no recourse to parliament if I need to go through HIM. Representative democracy? Don't make me laugh.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/11/heres-how-the-new-cabinet-voted-on-same-sex-marriage/
Yesterday: "Tories are the true working class party" - David Cameron.
Today: "Newly appointed Business Secretary Sajid Javid has said there will be "significant changes" to strike laws under the new Conservative government. A strike affecting essential public services will need the backing of 40% of eligible union members under government plans, he said."
So that took long.
False consciousness writ large. Marx was right, who knew?
And there goes Jim Murphy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-32726692
QuoteScottish Labour leader Jim Murphy will quit the post next month, after tabling reform plan, he tells press conference
I'm getting really pissy now; that only one I actually wanted to see the back of was that tosspot Cameron :evilmad:
Jim Murphy actually seemed pretty reasonable the one time I saw him on Question Time.
But really, he had to lay his head on the chopping block. He couldn't stay on with the result he got when Milliband left after increasing the vote.
Quote from: Demolition Squid on May 16, 2015, 07:02:57 PM
Jim Murphy actually seemed pretty reasonable the one time I saw him on Question Time.
But really, he had to lay his head on the chopping block. He couldn't stay on with the result he got when Milliband left after increasing the vote.
Our contemporary obsession with demanding sepukku at the drop of a hat for anything less that total success just makes my teeth itch, is all. Oh, except for business leaders, they get a free pass for some godforsaken reason.