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Title: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
Newt Gingrich may run for president.  That could be interesting.  But NPR just called him "the best intellectual mind in the GOP".

I suppose, if you stand him up next to Palin, but... Really?  

Quote from: Newt GingrichThe idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.

I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around a campfire but a lousy politician.

There is no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center.  Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington, and we would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.

The problem isn't too little money in political campaigns, but not enough.

A mere forty years ago, beach volleyball was just beginning.  No bureaucrat would have invented it, and that's what freedom is all about.

If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.



Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Adios on March 03, 2011, 03:30:28 PM
 :lulz:

Stay out of the ditches, bitches. We want those vaginas clean!
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Phox on March 03, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.
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What.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 03, 2011, 03:43:34 PM
Newt's been hitting the crack pipe.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Disco Pickle on March 03, 2011, 03:54:39 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 03, 2011, 03:30:28 PM
:lulz:

Stay out of the ditches, bitches. We want those vaginas clean!

:lulz:

nice.

laughed out loud, at work. 
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Cramulus on March 03, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
If I understand Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero hypothesis, the GOP will produce four candidates in the next two years who are exponentially more nationally embarrassing than Palin. We will probably experience a quantum jump in stupid that will make Palin look like a nobel prize winner. If McKenna is right, the dumbest things to happen in human history will occur in the two days before election. IT'S SCIENCE.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Luna on March 03, 2011, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 03, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
If I understand Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero hypothesis, the GOP will produce four candidates in the next two years who are exponentially more nationally embarrassing than Palin.

That is a horrifying thought.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Eater of Clowns on March 03, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 03, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.
What.

You didn't know this?  I just sit around all day wanting to hunt giraffes just so badly.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: *GrumpButt* on March 03, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
Oh..my..god....  :horrormirth:

(Because OMG just doesn't express it enough)
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 03, 2011, 05:11:26 PM
I must have missed the part of "What to look for in a good man" lecture that said "you need to get yourself a good giraffe hunter."

Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: *GrumpButt* on March 03, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
QuoteThere is no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center.  Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington, and we would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.

This part rubbed me the wrong way.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Luna on March 03, 2011, 05:19:40 PM

QuoteThere is no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center.  Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington, and we would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.

What, like this?

http://www.japanprobe.com/2010/08/17/shinto-shrine-near-pearl-harbor/
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 03, 2011, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 05:19:40 PM

QuoteThere is no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center.  Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington, and we would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.

What, like this?

http://www.japanprobe.com/2010/08/17/shinto-shrine-near-pearl-harbor/

:lulz:

Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Adios on March 03, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 03, 2011, 05:11:26 PM
I must have missed the part of "What to look for in a good man" lecture that said "you need to get yourself a good giraffe hunter."



What the hell would a guy even do with one if he got it?
Car seat covers!!!!!! And boots! Sexy G-String!
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: *GrumpButt* on March 03, 2011, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 03, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 03, 2011, 05:11:26 PM
I must have missed the part of "What to look for in a good man" lecture that said "you need to get yourself a good giraffe hunter."



What the hell would a guy even do with one if he got it?
Car seat covers!!!!!! And boots! Sexy G-String!

I'd give you a dollar Charley....  :D
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 03, 2011, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 03, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 03, 2011, 05:11:26 PM
I must have missed the part of "What to look for in a good man" lecture that said "you need to get yourself a good giraffe hunter."



What the hell would a guy even do with one if he got it?
Car seat covers!!!!!! And boots! Sexy G-String!

Maybe a purse or a piece of luggage?

Stuff the fucker and put it in the front yard?

I reckon you can eat Giraffe but I imagine the meat would be stringy.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
Newt Gingrich may run for president.  That could be interesting. 

And Doomed.

Unless your name is Richard Milhous Nixon or Chester Arthur, once you leave politics, you can never, ever come back.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Don Coyote on March 03, 2011, 08:24:40 PM

Quote from: Newt Gingrich

If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.


I have a question. Um.......hasn't this species spent more time dwelling in dirty conditions than in the ultra hygienic ones that are found in some parts of first world nations? If so, wouldn't that invalidate the "OMG WIMMEZ CANT FITE CUZ DEY VAJAJAYZ WULD GET DIRTY" argument?
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
Also, I don't think we'll be repeating WWI anytime soon.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Luna on March 03, 2011, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on March 03, 2011, 08:24:40 PM

Quote from: Newt Gingrich

If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.


I have a question. Um.......hasn't this species spent more time dwelling in dirty conditions than in the ultra hygienic ones that are found in some parts of first world nations? If so, wouldn't that invalidate the "OMG WIMMEZ CANT FITE CUZ DEY VAJAJAYZ WULD GET DIRTY" argument?

I suspect that's more the "Oh, God, don't give wimmenz GUNZ!  If you show dem da gunz, they gonna shoot US!" argument.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: *GrumpButt* on March 03, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on March 03, 2011, 08:24:40 PM

Quote from: Newt Gingrich

If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.



I have a question. Um.......hasn't this species spent more time dwelling in dirty conditions than in the ultra hygienic ones that are found in some parts of first world nations? If so, wouldn't that invalidate the "OMG WIMMEZ CANT FITE CUZ DEY VAJAJAYZ WULD GET DIRTY" argument?

I suspect that's more the "Oh, God, don't give wimmenz GUNZ!  If you show dem da gunz, they gonna shoot US!" argument.

And at least in my case they would be right.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Don Coyote on March 03, 2011, 08:35:47 PM
And I've been thinking about the disparity between the relative strength an average man and woman. It would seem to me, that if the armed forces simply gender neutralizes the physical fitness standards, and sets them towards what a SOLDIER needs to do at a bare minimum, that everyone would be at the same bare minimum. Which is something the Army is doing.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
Fact inconvenient for Newt:  Women make better fighter pilots, both mentally and physically.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Don Coyote on March 03, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
Fact inconvenient for Newt:  Women make better fighter pilots, both mentally and physically.

I think I read something years ago that strongly suggested women would make better submariners than men.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Adios on March 03, 2011, 08:51:18 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on March 03, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
Fact inconvenient for Newt:  Women make better fighter pilots, both mentally and physically.

I think I read something years ago that strongly suggested women would make better submariners than men.

Women are also better heavy machine operators. They aren't nearly as hard on the equipment.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

But you do if you get overrun.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Don Coyote on March 03, 2011, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

But you do if you get overrun.

Just saying.

Which can be overcome by creating, and enforcing standards of physical regardless of gender and a more rigorously trained close quarters combat program, but like TGRR says, you can't jsut rely on your trigger finger, which is what a large majority of women I've met in the Army say.
"Why are we learning combatives. I got a gun." :kingmeh:
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Adios on March 03, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

But you do if you get overrun.

Just saying.
A girl kicked my ass one day in Tae Kwon Do class.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Don Coyote on March 03, 2011, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on March 03, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

But you do if you get overrun.

Just saying.
A girl kicked my ass one day in Tae Kwon Do class.
Girl I was dating decided to, for no reason at all, perform a take down on me, in front of the local Army recruiters. Her boot cut my lip.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 03, 2011, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on March 03, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
Fact inconvenient for Newt:  Women make better fighter pilots, both mentally and physically.

I think I read something years ago that strongly suggested women would make better submariners than men.

I think I remember something like that too. I think it had to do with getting along better in a small group in an enclosed space.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: PopeTom on March 03, 2011, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

I bet Dr. Ruth is more badass then Mr. Gingrich
Quote from: Wikipedia
Westheimer joined the Haganah in Jerusalem. Despite her diminutive height of 4 feet 7 inches (1.40 m), she was trained as a scout and sniper. Westheimer was seriously wounded in action by an exploding shell during the Israeli War of Independence in 1948, and it was several months before she was able to walk again.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Jasper on March 04, 2011, 12:10:08 AM
QuoteI think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don't encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around a campfire but a lousy politician.

Quotegreat around a campfire but a lousy politician.

QuoteRepublicans are lousy politicians.

QuoteWE KNOW WE SUCK AND YOU FUCKING LOVE IT, YOU SLAGS!
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Cain on March 04, 2011, 07:17:39 AM
"Dr." Gingrinch has been making much of his intellectual credentials since leaving front line politics.

Unfortunately, a PhD in History and the ideological conviction that one must "shut down government" whenever the opposition is in power is not really any kind of intellectual credential.

Besides, Newt is damaged goods.  Three divorces...plus crowing about his pointy-headed genius every chance he gets will not endear him with the Movement base, with their socially conservative outlook and distrust of the Liberal Academy.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Luna on March 04, 2011, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: Cain on March 04, 2011, 07:17:39 AM
Besides, Newt is damaged goods.  Three divorces...plus crowing about his pointy-headed genius every chance he gets will not endear him with the Movement base, with their socially conservative outlook and distrust of the Liberal Academy.

And this man helped push through the "Defense of Marriage" act.

:facepalm:

The hypocrisy of that one gets me every fucking time.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Triple Zero on March 07, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 03, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
If I understand Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero hypothesis,

You understand that shit?

I've been trying to read that essay at least five times, spread out over the years, as my knowledge of I-Ching and abilities to suspend-disbelief-and-just-go-with-it-for-a-moment increased, and I have never been able to make heads or tails of it.

First times I stopped "this is bullshit. he's playing with two historical permutations of a 6-bit pattern and then somehow connects it to predicting the future ...".

After that, I gave him "okay, but what if it did, synchronicity and all, let's assume that even makes sense and see where we end up"--and I STILL got nothing, he folds the permutation back on itself, scaled up or down (ignoring the part of my brain screaming "for fuck's sake, WHY?!"), and after the first iteration, I just can't figure out what he's doing anymore.

Maybe it's the low resolution bitmap graphs that are hard to read. I wonder if anyone ever managed to reproduce his results--at all. They're not random, unlike most I-Ching stuff, it's just based on the permutation of hexagrams between the one ordering and the Emperor-something-or-other ordering.

Somebody once told me it's just bullshit. Supposed to be a mindfuck or something. I think that's most likely.

It's just, next to the Maya Calendar thing, it's the second-biggest "why hippies think something's gonna happen in 2012" reasoning.

Anyone of you occult/divination spags got some links on timewave zero analysis that is NOT just the original essay?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 07, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
Next on the "WTF?" list:  Michele Bachman is considering running for president. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110307/pl_yblog_exclusive/tea-party-2012-will-michele-bachmann-steal-sarah-palins-thunder)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 06:46:35 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 07, 2011, 06:44:43 PM
Next on the "WTF?" list:  Michele Bachman is considering running for president. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110307/pl_yblog_exclusive/tea-party-2012-will-michele-bachmann-steal-sarah-palins-thunder)

Oh, please, pretty please.  I was to see her debate Palin in the primaries.

I'll bring the popcorn, you bring the barf bags.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 07, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
I'm predicting Romney will run again, and come second to any fully fledged wingnut like Chris Christie in said race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie

That is a horrible list. :(
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 07, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: Nurse Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie

That is a horrible list. :(

Horrible or horribly funny?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 07, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Horrible or horribly funny?

There's a difference?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on March 07, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: Khara on March 07, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Horrible or horribly funny?

There's a difference?

Some days there are...  :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 07:53:16 PM
I rather expect they're not going to have the "real" candidate's name public until they're good and ready, and there's less time for the durned libruls to pull up every moronic thing they've ever said on YouTube.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
Given that they'd find it all between the primary and the general election anyway, I think the opposite strategy is in order.  Get that shit out into the open early, so you don't get blindsided (the way Palin was).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:58:29 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 07, 2011, 07:53:16 PM
I rather expect they're not going to have the "real" candidate's name public until they're good and ready, and there's less time for the durned libruls to pull up every moronic thing they've ever said on YouTube.

Naw.  The last election proved that they aren't capable of vetting, let alone keeping their fat mouths shut.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:00:34 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 07, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
Given that they'd find it all between the primary and the general election anyway, I think the opposite strategy is in order.  Get that shit out into the open early, so you don't get blindsided (the way Palin was).

That would, indeed, be the intelligent way to do things.  Dunno if they're going to play it smart.

(Point of order:  Palin wasn't blindsided, SHE knew all the crap that was out there, if not that it would hit the papers.  McCain and the GoP were the ones blindsided.)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:58:29 PM
Naw.  The last election proved that they aren't capable of vetting, let alone keeping their fat mouths shut.

If we were dealing with rational humans, I'd say they'd learn from experience.  We are, however, dealing with a party bowing to teabaggers, so... who knows.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on March 07, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
I actually think Christie would have a fairly decent shot at beating Obama and if there is any un-declared candidate keeping the Obama re-election campaign up at night, it's him.  Obama will easily handle any of the other morons being considered, including Romney. 

Please to understand I'm not saying I would WANT Christie to win.  Just observing that he seems to have the most broad appeal compared to the others.

Pun unintended.   
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 07, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
I actually think Christie would have a fairly decent shot at beating Obama and if there is any un-declared candidate keeping the Obama re-election campaign up at night, it's him.  Obama will easily handle any of the other morons being considered, including Romney. 

Please to understand I'm not saying I would WANT Christie to win.  Just observing that he seems to have the most broad appeal compared to the others.

Pun unintended.   

Last I heard, a couple weeks ago, he was saying he had NO intention of running.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 07, 2011, 08:12:21 PM
I heard the same.

Also, he'd never get through the primaries-- when you have to appeal to the base, having ideas the general majority agree with tends to be a bad thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 07, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
What Im wondering is if Obama will be able to pull off as much of a win.

Obamas core voters were young college kids who bought into "hope" and "change". Now that he hasnt delivered on that I wonder if hell be able to rally enough voters, or if perhaps some of those same people who voted for him will be so disillusioned that they vote against him (kind of like the Hilary voters for McCain thing). Of course that depends on the GOP producing a candidate that isnt too batshit to vote for (Not Likely).

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 07, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
At this point, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance.  It really depends on who goes to the polls.


Let's face it; most people's politics don't change.  The goal of a candidate isn't to convince people that they have the best ideas, it's convincing the people to go out and vote. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 07, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
At this point, I'm giving it a 50/50 chance.  It really depends on who goes to the polls.


Let's face it; most people's politics don't change.  The goal of a candidate isn't to convince people that they have the best ideas, it's convincing the people to go out and vote. 

For which Palin was excellent.  She got MY ass into the voting booth, all right. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 07, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
What Im wondering is if Obama will be able to pull off as much of a win.

Obamas core voters were young college kids who bought into "hope" and "change". Now that he hasnt delivered on that I wonder if hell be able to rally enough voters, or if perhaps some of those same people who voted for him will be so disillusioned that they vote against him (kind of like the Hilary voters for McCain thing). Of course that depends on the GOP producing a candidate that isnt too batshit to vote for (Not Likely).



1.  Performance has nothing to do with elections.

2.  The GOP will run the nuttiest fucker they can find.  They no longer have a choice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 07, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
What Im wondering is if Obama will be able to pull off as much of a win.

Obamas core voters were young college kids who bought into "hope" and "change". Now that he hasnt delivered on that I wonder if hell be able to rally enough voters, or if perhaps some of those same people who voted for him will be so disillusioned that they vote against him (kind of like the Hilary voters for McCain thing). Of course that depends on the GOP producing a candidate that isnt too batshit to vote for (Not Likely).



1.  Performance has nothing to do with elections.

2.  The GOP will run the nuttiest fucker they can find.  They no longer have a choice.

Their base is split so deeply that I'm betting we'll see two GoP candidates tearing each others throats out on national TV, with one of them running as a teabagger/independent and the other with the official GoP hat on.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 07, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
What Im wondering is if Obama will be able to pull off as much of a win.

Obamas core voters were young college kids who bought into "hope" and "change". Now that he hasnt delivered on that I wonder if hell be able to rally enough voters, or if perhaps some of those same people who voted for him will be so disillusioned that they vote against him (kind of like the Hilary voters for McCain thing). Of course that depends on the GOP producing a candidate that isnt too batshit to vote for (Not Likely).



1.  Performance has nothing to do with elections.

2.  The GOP will run the nuttiest fucker they can find.  They no longer have a choice.

Their base is split so deeply that I'm betting we'll see two GoP candidates tearing each others throats out on national TV, with one of them running as a teabagger/independent and the other with the official GoP hat on.

The GOP has bought the fallacy that the Dems swallowed, with some cosmetic differences.

"We have to go along with the nutcases, or nobody will vote for us."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 07, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
Just so long as they're entertaining.

I'd like to see some of the questions from 2008 brought back, like: "Do you agree with evolutionary theory, do you believe human contribute to greenhouse gases," etc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 07, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
Just so long as they're entertaining.

I'd like to see some of the questions from 2008 brought back, like: "Do you agree with evolutionary theory, do you believe human contribute to greenhouse gases," etc.

I'm sorting of hoping for more extremism, and I don't think I'll be disappointed.

"Extremism in the defense of extremism is no vice."
- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 07, 2011, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 07, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
Just so long as they're entertaining.

I'd like to see some of the questions from 2008 brought back, like: "Do you agree with evolutionary theory, do you believe human contribute to greenhouse gases," etc.

"What newspapers do you read?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 08, 2011, 01:54:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie

Drop Bachman and Christie and add Tim Pawlenty and Ron Paul and I think you've got it. I'd see that as essentially a race between Romney and Jindal, but I could be underestimating the sheer stupidity and craziness of the voting bloc we're talking about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 08, 2011, 01:56:12 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 08, 2011, 01:54:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie

Drop Bachman and Christie and add Tim Pawlenty and Ron Paul and I think you've got it. I'd see that as essentially a race between Romney and Jindal, but I could be underestimating the sheer stupidity and craziness of the voting bloc we're talking about.

Ron Paul is essentially the new Harold Stassen.  Entertainment value only.

And Bachmann is already jabbering about running.  The teabaggers are becoming incontinent with glee.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 08, 2011, 02:15:28 AM
Paul always runs, but I agree he's irrelevant.  Even his followers, once legion on the internet and able to for massive rallies, don't bother to do anything but jabber on about how they really started the tea party movement (because apparently using the word 'tea party' at one fund raising event back in 2008 gives them a monopoly on the term).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 08, 2011, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 07, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
I actually think Christie would have a fairly decent shot at beating Obama and if there is any un-declared candidate keeping the Obama re-election campaign up at night, it's him.  Obama will easily handle any of the other morons being considered, including Romney. 

Please to understand I'm not saying I would WANT Christie to win.  Just observing that he seems to have the most broad appeal compared to the others.

Pun unintended.   

Christie is the wingnut superstar of the moment, it is true.

I still think Obama would win the election, as moderates would still favour him, but it wouldn't be anything like the thrashing he dished out on McCain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 08, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2011, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 07, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
I actually think Christie would have a fairly decent shot at beating Obama and if there is any un-declared candidate keeping the Obama re-election campaign up at night, it's him.  Obama will easily handle any of the other morons being considered, including Romney. 

Please to understand I'm not saying I would WANT Christie to win.  Just observing that he seems to have the most broad appeal compared to the others.

Pun unintended.   

Christie is the wingnut superstar of the moment, it is true.

I still think Obama would win the election, as moderates would still favour him, but it wouldn't be anything like the thrashing he dished out on McCain.

Heh.  Who would they stick him with, VP-wise?

Christie/Bachmann or Christie/West.  I like it already.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 08, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
Huckabee.  He scored quite highly on a recent NBC/WSJ poll, and has been much more high profile of late.  He could shore up Christie's not so impressive Southern Fundie credentials, too.

Edit: just noted, PPP polls indicate Huckabee would give Obama a hard run, with a 44/47 split in Obama's favour, a full three points ahead of what Romney is projected to get, and the closest out of all declared Republican candidates thus far.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 08, 2011, 05:01:30 PM
He released a dude on parole who then went on to kill four police officers.  That's a tough workaround.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 08, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Apparently, The People do not care, so long as he has the right values.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 08, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 08, 2011, 05:01:30 PM
He released a dude on parole who then went on to kill four police officers.  That's a tough workaround.

Not to mention, Wayne DuMond, who went on to kill and rape 2 women after Huckabee convinced the parole board to release him 25 years early for a rape conviction.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 08, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
That's some impressively bad judgment given the recidivism rates for murder and sex crimes...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 08, 2011, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on March 08, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
That's some impressively bad judgment given the recidivism rates for murder and sex crimes...

Spectacular, no? 

Pity so many folks in the GoP appear incapable of using Google.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on March 08, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on March 08, 2011, 01:54:55 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2011, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Freeky on March 07, 2011, 07:03:17 PM
We need the Rent Is 2 Damn High Party to run.

They joined the republicans.   :|

Anyway, my guesses at this moment:

Romney
Huckabee
Gingrich
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie

Drop Bachman and Christie and add Tim Pawlenty and Ron Paul and I think you've got it. I'd see that as essentially a race between Romney and Jindal, but I could be underestimating the sheer stupidity and craziness of the voting bloc we're talking about.

Christ, out of that batch Romney and Jindal are among the most sane... Surely the Tea Party wouldn't stand for that! Also, Jindal has smudgy skin.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 08, 2011, 08:49:56 PM
Jindal has a bit of an ethics issue at the moment:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/03/how-bad-bobby-jindal-charity-scandal/35582/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on March 08, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Eh, Jindal killed his chances a long time ago when he did that bad Mister Rogers impression after the first State of the Union address. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 08, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Apparently, The People do not care, so long as he has the right values.

Like ethnic cleansing.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/huckabee-says-no-palestinian-823467.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on March 09, 2011, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 08, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Apparently, The People do not care, so long as he has the right values.

Like ethnic cleansing.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/huckabee-says-no-palestinian-823467.html

"The page could not be found
The page you requested does not exist at this address."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on March 09, 2011, 01:38:57 AM
Talk about your thorough cleansing. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 09, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 09, 2011, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 08, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Apparently, The People do not care, so long as he has the right values.

Like ethnic cleansing.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/huckabee-says-no-palestinian-823467.html

"The page could not be found
The page you requested does not exist at this address."

Ill summarize it for you.

Palestine needs to be wiped out.
Completely.
There cannot be a single Palestinian living in the "Holy Land" by order of Jezuz.

Start the ovens.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on March 09, 2011, 11:53:25 AM
I think the Huckster has figured out the only way he's going to get coverage is to go all wingnut crazy and spout off stupid shit like Newt, Palin, and Bachmann.  Otherwise he'll be lumped in with Pawlenty, Daniels, and all of the other GOP hopefuls nobody is really talking about much. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 10, 2011, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 09, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on March 09, 2011, 12:17:31 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on March 08, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 08, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
Apparently, The People do not care, so long as he has the right values.

Like ethnic cleansing.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/huckabee-says-no-palestinian-823467.html

"The page could not be found
The page you requested does not exist at this address."

Ill summarize it for you.

Palestine needs to be wiped out.
Completely.
There cannot be a single Palestinian living in the "Holy Land" by order of Jezuz.

Start the ovens.

To be fair to Huckabee, he only advocated ethnic cleansing, which is kind of like advocating rape alone, instead of murder and then rape.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 10, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
:facepalm:

QuoteFile this one in the "you can't make it up" category: in an interview today with The Christian Broadcasting Network, presidential-hopeful Newt Gingrich said that he has been driven to adultery in the past in part because of how "passionately [he] felt about this country."

http://thefastertimes.com/politics/2011/03/09/gingrich-i-had-cheated-on-my-wife-because-i-love-my-country-so-much/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 10, 2011, 06:27:15 PM
I'll take him as the next pres candidate, should be hilarious  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jasper on March 10, 2011, 06:33:35 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 10, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
:facepalm:

QuoteFile this one in the "you can't make it up" category: in an interview today with The Christian Broadcasting Network, presidential-hopeful Newt Gingrich said that he has been driven to adultery in the past in part because of how "passionately [he] felt about this country."

http://thefastertimes.com/politics/2011/03/09/gingrich-i-had-cheated-on-my-wife-because-i-love-my-country-so-much/

Dude fucking LOVES his country.  Damn.  :lulz:


This demands memetic mutation.

"I prayed to Eris because I love my country so much"

"I ate a bag of oranges because I love my country so much"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on March 10, 2011, 11:42:07 PM
"I robbed that bank because I love my country so much."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: President Television on March 11, 2011, 03:25:37 AM
I have been driven to kill a motherfucker in the past because of how passionately I felt about my country.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on March 11, 2011, 04:48:08 AM
"I adultered so much I fell passionately in love with my country."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 11, 2011, 04:54:46 AM
BEST "DEVIL MADE ME DO IT" LOGIC EVAR!

"c'mere baby, gimme some patriotic extramarrital sex--for god and country!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 11, 2011, 01:44:26 PM
Slate made the interesting point that if the Newt is claiming the stress of being Speaker of the House made him cheat, what would being President do to him?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 11, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 11, 2011, 01:44:26 PM
Slate made the interesting point that if the Newt is claiming the stress of being Speaker of the House made him cheat, what would being President do to him?

Blow lines off of the nekkid bodies of male interns, one might guess.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 23, 2011, 11:04:41 PM
Here, Lewis Black was channeling Roger's "THIS COUNTRY DESERVES THE GOVERNMENT IT GETS":

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-22-2011/back-in-black---trump-2012

sorry about the ads...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on March 24, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
He nailed it. 
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 24, 2011, 06:06:03 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 03, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.
What.
[/quote]

The hunt giraffes thing is pretty silly.  But women are actually biologically better prepared to sit on chairs for long periods of time than men are.  A woman's bodyfat naturally collects in the breasts and ass, and a fatter ass is more comfortable for sitting upon.

Women are also better able to notice fine details, which is a very useful skill when analyzing intel.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 24, 2011, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: *GrumpButt* on March 03, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
QuoteThere is no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center.  Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington, and we would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor.

This part rubbed me the wrong way.

Yeah, he completely forgot about the statue of Jesus on the Oklahoma city bombing site.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 24, 2011, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 03, 2011, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 03, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Also, I do not need to be able to arm-wrestle you in order to blow your brains out at range.

But you do if you get overrun.

Just saying.

Women have higher pain tolerance, which can be an awfully useful trait in close quarters combat environments.  Also the lack of testicles is pretty useful.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on March 24, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
in one-on-one combat, yes. Another potential advantage for women in that situation is that they usually have a lower center of gravity. But in a melee environment, size and brute strength become heavy advantages.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 25, 2011, 01:45:59 PM
Gov. Christie has done gone and pissed off the teabaggers.

He appointed a judge to the NJ Superior Court.  The problem?  He appointed a MUSLIM...

Teabaggers are leapfrogging each other to have hissy fits.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/21/937795/-Gov-Christie-Appoints-Muslim-Judge;-Wingnut-Heads-Explode

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 25, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2289347/

QuotePollster and political guru Frank Luntz flew to Iowa last month to conduct a survey for Fox News. Twenty-six Republicans, likely to vote in the next caucuses, were shown video clips of 11 politicians who might run for president. They twisted dials, scored from 0 to 100, to rate the candidates. One of the clear winners was Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Bachmann and Palin are lumped together for an obvious reason—they're high-powered Republican women. But as that Luntz focus group showed, Bachmann is taken more seriously than Palin in some circles.

This could get very, very funny.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 25, 2011, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2289347/

QuotePollster and political guru Frank Luntz flew to Iowa last month to conduct a survey for Fox News. Twenty-six Republicans, likely to vote in the next caucuses, were shown video clips of 11 politicians who might run for president. They twisted dials, scored from 0 to 100, to rate the candidates. One of the clear winners was Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Bachmann and Palin are lumped together for an obvious reason—they're high-powered Republican women. But as that Luntz focus group showed, Bachmann is taken more seriously than Palin in some circles.

This could get very, very funny.



Oh, please let her run.  There will have to be a party the night of the first debate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
I will have to eschew all national politicking if that happens.  Otherwise, I might get all clocktowerish with a rifle and shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on March 25, 2011, 02:53:11 PM
This ain't gonna be your century.






LMNO
-full attribution to TGRR on that one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 02:54:08 PM
THAT has been proven.  Again, and again and again and again and again...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 25, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/24/first-official-gop-candidate-for-2012-is-gay-and-doesnt-care-for-sarah-palin/

QuoteMeet Fred Karger: He's the first official entrant in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. He's also openly gay, a proud feminist, pro-same sex marriage, pro-abortion-rights, and a critic of Sarah Palin who thinks many Republicans are hypocrites.

Bedamned.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
:lulz:  So yeah, THAT guy's gonna TOTALLY sweep the primaries.  Uh huh.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 25, 2011, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
:lulz:  So yeah, THAT guy's gonna TOTALLY sweep the primaries.  Uh huh.

Yep.  He's totally gonna get swept under the rug, but, hell, I'm entertained.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:40:21 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 25, 2011, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
:lulz:  So yeah, THAT guy's gonna TOTALLY sweep the primaries.  Uh huh.

Yep.  He's totally gonna get swept under the rug, but, hell, I'm entertained.

I bet Stephen Colbert's gonna pick up on his act, though...if he hasn't already.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 04:03:49 PM
All I know is that Donald Trump has once again jumped on a trend a year and a half too late, become a Birther, and announced his intent to run his toupee for president.

:lulz:

I loves me some America™.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
...you need to watch that Lewis Black bit that I posted on page 7 of this thread, Rog, if you haven't already. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
...you need to watch that Lewis Black bit that I posted on page 7 of this thread, Rog, if you haven't already. 

I tried last night.  Bastard wouldn't load.  I'll try on Freeky's notepad tonight.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on March 25, 2011, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 25, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
...you need to watch that Lewis Black bit that I posted on page 7 of this thread, Rog, if you haven't already. 

I tried last night.  Bastard wouldn't load.  I'll try on Freeky's notepad tonight.

It's fucking hysterical. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on March 25, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 25, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/24/first-official-gop-candidate-for-2012-is-gay-and-doesnt-care-for-sarah-palin/

QuoteMeet Fred Karger: He's the first official entrant in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. He's also openly gay, a proud feminist, pro-same sex marriage, pro-abortion-rights, and a critic of Sarah Palin who thinks many Republicans are hypocrites.

Bedamned.

He might at least make the debates interesting.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on March 25, 2011, 06:33:50 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on March 25, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: Luna on March 25, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/03/24/first-official-gop-candidate-for-2012-is-gay-and-doesnt-care-for-sarah-palin/

QuoteMeet Fred Karger: He's the first official entrant in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. He's also openly gay, a proud feminist, pro-same sex marriage, pro-abortion-rights, and a critic of Sarah Palin who thinks many Republicans are hypocrites.

Bedamned.

He might at least make the debates interesting.

I doubt he'll get enough support to even make the debates, but, yeah, that'd be awesome.  Right up 'til they tarred and feathered him for heresy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Requia ☣ on March 25, 2011, 06:35:10 PM
Early primary entries are pretty much always like this.  2008 the first guy to declare for the republican ticket was of the fundie Atheist persuasion.
Title: Re: Newt in 2012?
Post by: Shibboleet The Annihilator on April 16, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on March 03, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 03, 2011, 03:34:27 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 03, 2011, 02:58:25 PM
If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes.
What.

You didn't know this?  I just sit around all day wanting to hunt giraffes just so badly.

Why is everyone talking about giraffes? Also, why is my dick so hard?

Fuck this shit, I'm going giraffe hunting.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cinderflame KSC on April 18, 2011, 03:12:21 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 25, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2289347/

QuotePollster and political guru Frank Luntz flew to Iowa last month to conduct a survey for Fox News. Twenty-six Republicans, likely to vote in the next caucuses, were shown video clips of 11 politicians who might run for president. They twisted dials, scored from 0 to 100, to rate the candidates. One of the clear winners was Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Bachmann and Palin are lumped together for an obvious reason—they're high-powered Republican women. But as that Luntz focus group showed, Bachmann is taken more seriously than Palin in some circles.

This could get very, very funny.



Realize the standard for being taken more seriously than Sarah Palin is incredibly low. At least Bachmann hasn't quit her job yet...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 06, 2011, 04:32:06 PM
Hold on... There was  GOP debate last night?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 06, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
To be fair, I think it was more of the NIT of Primary debates. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 12, 2011, 02:18:17 PM
Hey, Newt's in!

In case you want to see how much shit he's full of:

http://politifact.com/personalities/newt-gingrich/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 12, 2011, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 12, 2011, 02:18:17 PM
Hey, Newt's in!

In case you want to see how much shit he's full of:

http://politifact.com/personalities/newt-gingrich/

I saw that last night on the news.  He announced his candidacy via twitter.....  :lulz:

This election is going to be so very entertaining.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 12, 2011, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 12, 2011, 02:18:17 PM
Hey, Newt's in!

In case you want to see how much shit he's full of:

http://politifact.com/personalities/newt-gingrich/

I suspect the somebody has forgotten that the Internet never forgets...

http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on May 12, 2011, 02:39:49 PM
NPR had a snarky comment on his "win the future" requote--on MarketPlace, Kai Ryssdal basically said, "Nuh-uh, Obama's White House said it FIRST!  Nice try, Newt!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 12, 2011, 04:53:48 PM
Heh.  Nice.

http://firedoglake.com/2011/05/11/late-night-gingrich-announces-candidacy-america-irritated-cranky-at-reminder-gingrich-exists-talks/

QuoteSo.

Newt Gingrich is running. For president.

Yup.

Sigh....

Newt Gingrich is running.

For president.

President of the... (checks) — of the United States.

Of, uh, America.

Fuck.

When I heard this, I was only hoping he was running for president of the White Knights Noble Reserve of Bumfuck, Whereverthefuck, on a platform indistinguishable from old Senator Bilbo's, only more parochial and with updated euphemisms, and even more pointlessly pissbrained reactionary.

Newt. Fucking. Gingrich.

I was considering a longer post about how Gingrich the multiply-tedious-anachronism is an obnoxious dimwit pseudo-intellectual posturing self-absorbed fossil, but fuck that, contemplating Newt Gingrich for too long makes me sympathize with bears who chew off their own legs rather than say hi to the trapper.

So instead I'll just offer this trade.

Newt, we'll give you a mulligan on another child bride if you'll agree to just shut the fuck up and go away.

For reals. Deal?

But seriously, folks, a GOP field where Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump are among the most credible candidates makes me want to throw up, and I get my kicks from making fun of these twits.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2011, 04:24:03 PM
Finally.  A GOP nomination battle that won't just be funny, it will include slapstick.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 13, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.

:lulz:

Always a bridesmaid?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.

:lulz:

Always a bridesmaid?

NEVER THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. :cry:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 13, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.

:lulz:

Always a bridesmaid?

NEVER THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. :cry:

Maybe we should make it our goal to change that.  For the children.....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.

:lulz:

Always a bridesmaid?

NEVER THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. :cry:

Maybe we should make it our goal to change that.  For the children.....

No, it's funnier this way.  We can watch the Paul-tards scream "MONEYBOMB!" every three weeks, screech about meaningless straw polls, and generally whip themselves into a frenzy...and then throw a 6 month tantrum when he inevitably fails to garner even 5 points.

It's becoming a tradition.


Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 13, 2011, 06:12:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:57:14 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2011, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
Aaaaaaand Ron Paul has thrown his hat into the mix....

:lulz:

It's just getting better....

Ron Paul is this century's Harold Stassen.

:lulz:

Always a bridesmaid?

NEVER THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE. :cry:

Maybe we should make it our goal to change that.  For the children.....

No, it's funnier this way.  We can watch the Paul-tards scream "MONEYBOMB!" every three weeks, screech about meaningless straw polls, and generally whip themselves into a frenzy...and then throw a 6 month tantrum when he inevitably fails to garner even 5 points.

It's becoming a tradition.




It's a damn shame Ross Perot is so old.  We really need a completely insane wildcard candidate. 

Oh wait..... :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
IS SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT ME?
                     \
(http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sarah-palin-alaska.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 13, 2011, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
IS SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT ME?
                     \
(http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sarah-palin-alaska.jpg)

FUCK, LMNO!  Don't DO that to me at work!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Eater of Clowns on May 13, 2011, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 13, 2011, 06:50:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
IS SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT ME?
                     \
(http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sarah-palin-alaska.jpg)

FUCK, LMNO!  Don't DO that to me at work!

Yeah, LMNO, it's not that easy to duck out and have a fap.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Disco Pickle on May 13, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
IS SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT ME?
                     \
(http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sarah-palin-alaska.jpg)

FUCK YOU I ALMOST GOT TO RE-TASTE MY STEAK LUNCH.





a sadistic part of me requoted this so that this page is one post closer to having this picture on every post.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 13, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
Truth is, she's not gonna run.

No way in HELL is she going to risk having people go over her financial records for the past year.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 13, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
I can see her running, if for no other reason, then to get back into the spotlight.  Let's face it, the nonsense around Donald Trump, Michelle Bachmann, and other assorted characters has pretty much taken her off the map.  She's just a glorified Fox News analyst at this point.  So, if Donald throws down, I can see her throwing down as well, just to get the coverage.  If Donald doesn't run, she doesn't run. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 13, 2011, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on May 13, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
I can see her running, if for no other reason, then to get back into the spotlight.  Let's face it, the nonsense around Donald Trump, Michelle Bachmann, and other assorted characters has pretty much taken her off the map.  She's just a glorified Fox News analyst at this point.  So, if Donald throws down, I can see her throwing down as well, just to get the coverage.  If Donald doesn't run, she doesn't run. 

My bet is that she'll drag her feet and tease as long as she can.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: *GrumpButt* on May 13, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 13, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
IS SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT ME?
                     \
(http://www.onlineusanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/sarah-palin-alaska.jpg)

SHIT... I almost did...

But she has nice hairrrrrrr
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 13, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
I think there's a strong possibility that she's actually deranged enough to think she has a chance at winning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 13, 2011, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 13, 2011, 08:34:27 PM
I think there's a strong possibility that she's actually deranged enough to think she has a chance at winning.

You think?  It's possible, she does seem to be a bit unplugged from reality... 

However, she may very well think she can win, AND realize that campaigning will restrict her income...  And I suspect her income is of bigger concern to her.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 13, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
She almost has to run to set the standard for her daughter to run in 2024.  :|
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
I found a scholarship that wants entrants to write an essay on who they want to be president next and why.

I am totally torn between a "The person I want to be president is a nobody on a national scale" and "FOR THE LULZ!" essay.  Both are for srs. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 13, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
I found a scholarship that wants entrants to write an essay on who they want to be president next and why.

I am totally torn between a "The person I want to be president is a nobody on a national scale" and "FOR THE LULZ!" essay.  Both are for srs. :lulz:

Depends.  What major are you applying for?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 13, 2011, 10:01:31 PM
Bachmann is polling better than Palin right now.  She still has a hardcore, but even most Republicans realize she is political poison right now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 13, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for a few weeks just to get the cash flow started then pull out after she done raping the hardcores of their money.

EDIT: Plus the added exposure for books, reality series, ect.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 13, 2011, 10:06:00 PM
Possibly.  I see the teasing route more likely...after all, the "quitter" label might stick if she half-asses and then bails out of a Presidential run.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on May 13, 2011, 10:12:14 PM
QuoteSarahPalinUSA Sarah Palin
Show photo as warning to others seeking America's destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it's part of the mission.

:lulz:

I do admit I love her Tweets
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 13, 2011, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 13, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Jenkem and Tomahawks on May 13, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
I found a scholarship that wants entrants to write an essay on who they want to be president next and why.

I am totally torn between a "The person I want to be president is a nobody on a national scale" and "FOR THE LULZ!" essay.  Both are for srs. :lulz:

Depends.  What major are you applying for?

Building and Construction Tech.  It's for all majors, though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Succulent Plant on May 14, 2011, 05:05:08 AM
Quote from: Khara on May 13, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
She almost has to run to set the standard for her daughter to run in 2024.  :|

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Gary Johnson? He's an interesting one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 16, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Gary Johnson? He's an interesting one.


Most likely because we don't know who he is.

But thanks for the interesting link and observations on his platform, very informative!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 16, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 16, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Gary Johnson? He's an interesting one.


Most likely because we don't know who he is.

But thanks for the interesting link and observations on his platform, very informative!

He's the Republitard from New Mexico that wants to legalize pott and get rid of all taxes.   :?

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 16, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
Gary Johnson is the Ron Paul candidate for people who hate Ron Paul.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:53:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 16, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Gary Johnson? He's an interesting one.


Most likely because we don't know who he is.

But thanks for the interesting link and observations on his platform, very informative!

Oh, sorry I forgot that. Cain summed it up pretty well.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 16, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 16, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
Gary Johnson is the Ron Paul candidate for people who hate Ron Paul.

Then I hate him, too.

Fucking libertarians.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 16, 2011, 06:59:42 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 16, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 16, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: Lenin McCarthy on May 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM
Why has nobody mentioned Gary Johnson? He's an interesting one.


Most likely because we don't know who he is.

But thanks for the interesting link and observations on his platform, very informative!

He's the Republitard from New Mexico that wants to legalize pott and get rid of all taxes.   :?



Good one.  If we're all stoned, we won't need roads.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 16, 2011, 07:30:27 PM
In "Holy Fuck I didn't see THAT coming?" news...Trump is officially not running.  Oh yeah, NBC also announced that Celebrity Apprentice will be on the Fall lineup.  And pigs are still earth-bound and the cows have still not managed to figure out how to use a GPS. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 16, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on May 16, 2011, 07:30:27 PM
In "Holy Fuck I didn't see THAT coming?" news...Trump is officially not running.  Oh yeah, NBC also announced that Celebrity Apprentice will be on the Fall lineup.  And pigs are still earth-bound and the cows have still not managed to figure out how to use a GPS. 

-snerk- -snerk- -snerk-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on May 17, 2011, 12:57:02 AM
:lulz:  GOOD ONE TRUMP.  Asswipe.  He shoulda stayed in it longer!

I totally woulda loved a Trump/Bachman ticket!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 17, 2011, 10:09:31 AM
I has a sad  :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 17, 2011, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 16, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 16, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
Gary Johnson is the Ron Paul candidate for people who hate Ron Paul.

Then I hate him, too.

Fucking libertarians.

Daniel Larison, my other non-insane source for Republican internal politics, writes:

QuoteAs I've said before, it will help promote libertarian and antiwar right causes to have two candidates in the race instead of just one, but having two candidates running at the same time will just as often reduce the impact of a candidate espousing these views as it will bring greater attention to them. Neither one will win as many delegates with both of them in the race as one would win on his own, and contrary to emerging conventional wisdom Paul has the greater ability to win support among Republican primary voters. Because I don't expect Johnson to have a serious chance at the nomination, I would be somewhat willing to overlook his socially liberal and pro-immigration views so long as he made criticizing authoritarian and interventionist policies the focus of his candidacy. I don't think I am very representative of antiwar conservatives on that point. It goes without saying that those other views that Johnson holds makes him significantly less competitive in a Republican primary field than Paul. While I might be willing to give Johnson a pass, large numbers of conservative Ron Paul supporters would never have given Johnson's candidacy a second thought if he were the only one running. If Paul is also in the race, it's safe to say that none of us would consider supporting him.

There remains the danger that dueling Paul and Johnson campaigns will bring out the fratricidal element among their respective supporters. Given the genuinely shabby way that many currently pro-Johnson libertarians treated Paul in 2008, I'm not sure that this will be easily avoided. As it happens, I agree with Justin Raimondo's criticisms of some of Johnson's foreign policy positions, and he is probably right that Johnson is running to be the candidate for libertarians who don't want to be identified with Ron Paul. These include people who went out of their way to undermine Paul during the '08 campaign. One thing that may make such a feud less likely is Johnson's relationship with Paul. To his credit, Johnson was Paul's supporter throughout the campaign, and when talk of Johnson's candidacy started Paul still seemed to be very well-disposed towards Johnson. If both feel compelled to run, I would rather that their supporters spend their time and energy helping both of them against the rest of the field.

One of the reasons that Johnson has given underwhelming or disconcerting answers on some subjects is that he doesn't seem to have given them as much thought as I would like. When Johnson made his statement about supporting military intervention to prevent a "clear genocide," it was clear that he hadn't squared this with his call to slash military spending drastically, nor had he thought about the virtual inevitability of "nation-building" that would follow such an intervention. If he doesn't will the means, and refuses to accept the responsibilities that go along with intervention, my hope is that he doesn't really favor such interventions. That said, pleading ignorance is not a very good excuse for an incoherent policy view. In fact, such ignorance ought to be disqualifying.

On Libya, Johnson's reaction was mostly encouraging, but it wasn't as forceful or as principled as it should have been. Johnson ends up in the right place, which is something, but in light of Johnson's own comments about humanitarian intervention it isn't nearly enough. Johnson has previously opened the door to launching a war of choice in which no American interest is at stake, and he has done so by making a misguided and absurd claim that this is "what we have always been about," which isn't significantly different from the insipid notion that the U.S. has to meddle in other nations' internal affairs because "America is different."

Honestly, Daniels seems like the least insane Republican thus far, but that may be simply because he is playing the Obama game and trying to avoid being pinned down to anything, while making noble sounding commentary.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 17, 2011, 02:44:55 PM
Donald Trump will never really run for one simple reason..... 

All those pesky questions and investigations into his personal and business financial records.  :wink:

I mean we all have a good idea how he made all that money, especially after his bankruptcy (errr is bankruptcies a word?) in 1990, 2004, 2009.....  of course those were seperate businesses.... right?

But in better news for him, they picked up "the Apprentice" for another season.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 17, 2011, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: Khara on May 17, 2011, 02:44:55 PM
All those pesky questions and investigations into his personal and business financial records.  :wink:

Hah, hardly.  Bush II had equally dodgy records, and an abysmal business record as well.  Hell, he only really got his first success after the Bin Laden family started investing in him.  And "honourable" John McCain was up to his neck in the Keating Five Scandal.  Basically, corruption, financial crime, failure and dubious partners are all fine because IOKIYAR (its OK if you're a Republican).

I suspect the real reason is that Trump tied his banner too tight to Birtherism which has, to my surprise, collapsed in popularity since Obama released the long-form birth certificate.  Meaning Trump's chances have collapsed along with it.  Only those with more entrenched bases of support are capable of pulling through to the nomination, and Trump is not one of them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on May 18, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
...so while Newt Gee was signing books and refusing to answer key questions about his wife's debts to Tiffany's, someone had demonstrable dedication to Sparkle Motion:

FEEL THE RAINBOW, NEWT! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/gmb007/newt-gingrich-glitter-prank_n_863374_88737165.html)

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 18, 2011, 04:20:51 PM
According to the radio this morning, he apparently owes Tiffany's a half million bucks in overdue bills.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 18, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 18, 2011, 04:20:51 PM
According to the radio this morning, he apparently owes Tiffany's a half million bucks in overdue bills.

When he goes down, it's gonna be big and messy.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 18, 2011, 06:11:30 PM
Huckabee is out as well.  Jesus told him not to run.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 18, 2011, 06:11:30 PM
Huckabee is out as well.  Jesus told him not to run.

Palin/Bachmann?  :banana:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 18, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 18, 2011, 06:11:30 PM
Huckabee is out as well.  Jesus told him not to run.

Palin/Bachmann?  :banana:

I would piss myself laughing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 18, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
Palin is still under contract with Fox News so I'm gathering she's definitely out.  Apparently Fox News suspended the contracts of contributors who have indicated they were either committing or exploring being a candidate.  Those individuals being Gingrich and Santorum.  Apparently this happened on March 2nd, so it would seem if Palin were really going to throw down she would've been suspended as well. 

And that's exactly why Trump dropped out when he dropped out.  May 16th saw the announcement of the NBC lineup which included Celebrity Apprentice with Trump.  So he had no choice but to publicly announce he was out. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on May 18, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
Those individuals being Gingrich and Santorum. 

DIRTY RICKY SANTORUM AND NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH?

:lulz:

This is like putting Erkel in the ring with Evander Holyfield.  It's gonna be a bloodbath.

The Smiler must be pissing his pants laughing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 18, 2011, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on May 18, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
Those individuals being Gingrich and Santorum. 

DIRTY RICKY SANTORUM AND NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH?

:lulz:

This is like putting Erkel in the ring with Evander Holyfield.  It's gonna be a bloodbath.

The Smiler must be pissing his pants laughing.

Gingrich is already imploding.  I suspect he's just trying to take the eye off of Santorum (who still has that nasty Google problem).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Luna on May 18, 2011, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 18, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on May 18, 2011, 07:55:24 PM
Those individuals being Gingrich and Santorum. 

DIRTY RICKY SANTORUM AND NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH?

:lulz:

This is like putting Erkel in the ring with Evander Holyfield.  It's gonna be a bloodbath.

The Smiler must be pissing his pants laughing.

Gingrich is already imploding.  I suspect he's just trying to take the eye off of Santorum (who still has that nasty Google problem).

The Smiler will drag Santorum by the heels, right through the campaign.  Dirty Ricky has more skeletons in his closet than John Wayne Gayce.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 19, 2011, 01:20:26 AM
Plus, the whole Google problem (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=santorum&cp=5&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&site=&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=santo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4b94ef403c105f7) thing.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 19, 2011, 01:37:40 AM
Also:

QuotePossible presidential candidate Rick Santorum says Sen. John McCain 'doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works.

No, McCain was only tortured for 5 years.

Santorum, of course, never served.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 19, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on May 19, 2011, 01:20:26 AM
Plus, the whole Google problem (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=santorum&cp=5&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&site=&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=santo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c4b94ef403c105f7) thing.

:lulz:

I about died. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 19, 2011, 01:47:52 AM
Santorum doesn't have a shot in hell.  Fuck, Ron Paul has a better shot at being the nominee.  If the guy can't win a Senatorial district in Pennsylvania, as an incumbent, how the fuck does he expect to win primaries? 

I fully expect the begging for Chris Christie to get in the race to become louder and more public.  I think he is really the GOP's only shot at giving Obama any kind of respectable run for his money.  Unless they miraculously are able to perform a personality transplant operation for Romney and/or Pawlenty. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 19, 2011, 07:51:34 AM
Romney is leading as candidate now, I think.

Herman Cain has been compared to Jimmy Carter (apparently this wasn't meant to be insulting) and Pawlenty with Dukakis (ditto).  Daniels is a "wet" and Ron Paul and Gary Johnson will cannibalize each others supporters.

I think it's going to be Romney-Bachmann.  She can outflank all other Republicans on TARP, she's in with the Tea Party and she's favoured by the evangelicals.  Plus she is mocked by mainstream journalists, and so will use that to prove her populist appeal.  Romney sews up the business/executive end of the deal, she brings in the nutters and you may actually have a combo which wont utterly disgrace themselves at the polls.

I still see Obama winning, but really, the Republicans should be able to crush the Smiler, if they worked at it with the same intensity that they worked at smashing Kerry.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 19, 2011, 08:08:40 AM
I fear for the near future, which I'm still in, according to my imagination.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 19, 2011, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 19, 2011, 07:51:34 AM
Romney is leading as candidate now, I think.

Herman Cain has been compared to Jimmy Carter (apparently this wasn't meant to be insulting) and Pawlenty with Dukakis (ditto).  Daniels is a "wet" and Ron Paul and Gary Johnson will cannibalize each others supporters.

I think it's going to be Romney-Bachmann.  She can outflank all other Republicans on TARP, she's in with the Tea Party and she's favoured by the evangelicals.  Plus she is mocked by mainstream journalists, and so will use that to prove her populist appeal.  Romney sews up the business/executive end of the deal, she brings in the nutters and you may actually have a combo which wont utterly disgrace themselves at the polls.

I still see Obama winning, but really, the Republicans should be able to crush the Smiler, if they worked at it with the same intensity that they worked at smashing Kerry.

You may be right about Romney, but I'd hesitate to name Bachmann.  If the GoP learned anything (an unlikely thing, I'm aware) from the last election, it's that putting a flaky woman on the ticket HURTS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 19, 2011, 04:24:01 PM
Bachmann is much less flaky than Palin.  She hasn't even quit half way through her term yet.

But seriously, Republicans are incapable of learning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 19, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 19, 2011, 04:24:01 PM
Bachmann is much less flaky than Palin.  She hasn't even quit half way through her term yet.

But seriously, Republicans are incapable of learning.

True, not many people are as flaky as Palin.

I suspect you're right that the Republican's can't learn...  They still haven't quite caught on that the internet never forgets a scandal...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 19, 2011, 06:30:17 PM
The other piece of this is that, privately, the GOP may have already written off the 2012 Presidential Race and are really focusing on Senate and House races.  Protecting their majority and looking at how they could pull off winning the Senate or at least pulling even.  So essentially we are looking at 1996 all over again with Romney playing the role of Bob Dole.  He's going to get his shot because it's his turn, and so he will get all of the spotlight time that comes along with it, but in the end he'll lose. 

This paves the way for 2016 and gives them time to groom Chris Christie for a run.  Because I think Chris Christie does want to run for President but he also wants to win, which is why he is rejecting the endless chorus for him to get in the 2012 race. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on May 19, 2011, 07:10:03 PM
I was rather surprised Jeb Bush didn't toss his hat in.

I will be amazed if his son doesn't run 2020.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on May 19, 2011, 07:29:43 PM
I think maybe he is waiting for the stink to wear off that is associated with his last name. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 26, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/former-aide-to-gingrich-is-a-tiffanys-lobbyist/239524/

QuoteChristy Evans, formerly a top staffer to then-whip Newt Gingrich, is a registered lobbyist for Tiffany's, the high-end jeweler where Gingrich and his wife enjoy an extraordinary line of credit.

PALIN/NEWT 2012!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 26, 2011, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 26, 2011, 07:57:18 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/former-aide-to-gingrich-is-a-tiffanys-lobbyist/239524/

QuoteChristy Evans, formerly a top staffer to then-whip Newt Gingrich, is a registered lobbyist for Tiffany's, the high-end jeweler where Gingrich and his wife enjoy an extraordinary line of credit.

PALIN/NEWT 2012!

Oh, yeah.

Huckabee and Pawlenty have also imploded, along with Trump.

Palin, of course, comes pre-imploded.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on May 26, 2011, 08:11:46 PM
In truth, Palin/Bachmann would be funnier.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 26, 2011, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on May 26, 2011, 08:11:46 PM
In truth, Palin/Bachmann would be funnier.

For the first time in my life, I have NO idea who to bet on, this time around.

Maybe Christie's big fat ass.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 26, 2011, 08:13:38 PM
Herman Cain FTW!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 26, 2011, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 26, 2011, 08:13:38 PM
Herman Cain FTW!

:lulz:

Well, he certainly made a first impression.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 26, 2011, 08:17:40 PM
I still think Romney/Bachmann has a certain something to it.  In a "I will tear my eyes out" kind of way.  Pawlenty is Romney-lite, Palin's an airhead whose time is past, Cain's a nutbag, Newt's a laughable, pompous failure and Huntsman is tarred through association with Obama and insufficient social conservatism.  Cristie would be a tough contender, I think, but hasn't he ruled out running this year?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Succulent Plant on May 26, 2011, 08:19:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 26, 2011, 08:17:40 PM
I still think Romney/Bachmann has a certain something to it.  In a "I will tear my eyes out" kind of way.  Pawlenty is Romney-lite, Palin's an airhead whose time is past, Cain's a nutbag, Newt's a laughable, pompous failure and Huntsman is tarred through association with Obama and insufficient social conservatism.  Cristie would be a tough contender, I think, but hasn't he ruled out running this year?

:lulz: 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 04, 2011, 02:07:39 PM
Mittens just threw the nomination.

He admitted he thought global warming may be caused in part by human activity.  On top of Romnyecare and being a Mormon, he just screwed himself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on June 04, 2011, 03:13:52 PM
some political analysts on NPR say:

If Bachmann does well, it's good for Romney. It will cause the levelheaded republicans to run towards him.

but if Bachmann doesn't do well, and Pawlenty seems to be coming out in front, it's bad for Romney. Because one of their most visible major differences is class - pawlenty looks more like a working class advocate, it'll be hard for Romney to fight him along that axis.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 04, 2011, 03:22:55 PM
Would these "level-headed" Republicans be the ones which lost control of the party three years ago (at least) and never got back in charge?  Those guys are gonna swing a vote?

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on June 09, 2011, 03:31:15 AM
Stick a fork in Romney, he's done.

Here's his flounce video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G598Xno5qU
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 09, 2011, 12:50:49 PM
Romney's still the least hated nominee, well ahead of his two closest rivals, Pawlenty and Bachmann.  Pawlenty edges out Bachmann slightly, but I think when push comes to shove, Bachmann has advantages he doesn't (like actual experience of government, people know who she is etc).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on June 09, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Whoopise...

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/06/09/newt_gingrich_s_aides_quit_5_senior_aides_leave_2012_campaign_ov.html

QuoteNewt Gingrich's bid for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination got off to a rough start, and since then things haven't gotten much better for the former House speaker.

The latest blow to his nascent campaign occurred Thursday, when a half dozen of his senior aides resigned from their posts on Gingrich's 2012 team.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 09, 2011, 08:46:45 PM
I wonder how many of these people will mysteriously wind up on the Michelle Bachmann campaign.  I sense some back-door shenanigans. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem."  

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem."  

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



Poor ickle Santorum.  He tried to make Gays miserable, and those meanies hit back.

Poor ookums.   :cry:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem."  

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



Poor ickle Santorum.  He tried to make Gays miserable, and those meanies hit back.

Poor ookums.   :cry:

Thought you'd enjoy that, Roger.

I'm enjoying the fact that what started out as a poke to his nose so many years ago is now such severe pain in his ass.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 09, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
And he thought that drawing MORE attention to it was going to help somehow? 

Dumbass. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 12:38:09 AM
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes till Newt's outta bidness?  Also, wondering why the Newt groupies bailed so quickly...I mean, sure the guy's a throwback to the Dark Ages, can't keep a still tongue in his mouf and what little he HAS learned since he was last in office comes out terribly awkward and just WRONG most of the time...

HOW IS ANY OF THIS NEWS?  Did they honestly think the guy'd CHANGE just because he was running for the presitator?

BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 10, 2011, 01:27:50 AM
I suspect, in the end, it was all about (not) being paid. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 01:32:39 AM
Oh well yeah...so now I'm wondering--what backer PULLED OUT!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 10, 2011, 07:29:28 AM
Rudy Giuliani, Mister 9/11 himself, made noises about entering the race, spurred on by Bill Kristol's latest psychotic break with reality.

That could've been enough to sink Newt, who would have been edged out of the race entirely by another bitter white man who thinks he is an intellectual, is liked by the Neocons and has had a lot of wives.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Chairman Risus on June 10, 2011, 08:40:24 AM
Quote from: Cain on June 10, 2011, 07:29:28 AM
Rudy Giuliani, Mister 9/11 himself, made noises about entering the race, spurred on by Bill Kristol's latest psychotic break with reality.

That could've been enough to sink Newt, who would have been edged out of the race entirely by another bitter white man who thinks he is an intellectual, is liked by the Neocons and has had a lot of wives.

(http://i52.tinypic.com/124kbhg.jpg)


I don't think Billy Crystal has much of a place in politics, anyway,
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 10, 2011, 01:02:19 PM
I wouldn't be so sure.  Him and the other Neocons had picked out Sarah Palin as early as the summer of 2007 for big things.  They don't have Limbaugh level influence or anything, but in the elite circles they're still movers and shakers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 10, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 01:32:39 AM
Oh well yeah...so now I'm wondering--what backer PULLED OUT!

Other reporting I've read or heard said that staffers were pretty miffed that instead of campaigning, Newt and his wife decided to go on week long cruise around the Greek islands.  That is, they are miffed that Newt's wife decided this.  Apparently, Mrs. Gingrich is really calling the shots for the campaign.  Not the actual professionals who (kind of) know what they are doing. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 10, 2011, 01:22:43 PM
Holy fucking shitloads of lail:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/santorum-outlines-campaign-vision-says-religion-is-essential-to-democracy/

QuoteCNA: Are we completely unaware of what's going on in our backyard in this regard?

Sen. Santorum: Almost completely. I was talking about Venezuela and Hugo Chavez long before most. In fact, I was criticized in my 2006 race for being alarmist by raising the possibility that Iran might be working with Venezuela to plant terrorist cells in our back yard [bold mine-DL]. You look at his alliances with Iran now, you look at Hezbollah in Latin America now, and then you look at the weakened state of our border, yes. If we don't wake up ourselves we are going to be woken up by others. I have been saying this for years now, and working to wake Americans up. My weekly alert was called "The Gathering Storm" for a reason.

What he actually said:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzZmYWUyNWYzNThlM2UwZGY0ZmUxYmI5NTIyMTJjYWU=

QuoteDid you know that Venezuela is the leading buyer of arms and military equipment in the world today? Did you know that Chavez is building an army of more than a million soldiers and the most potent air force in South America-the largest Spanish-speaking armed force in history?

Did you know that Venezuela will shortly spend thirty billion dollars to build twenty military bases in neighboring Bolivia, which will dominate the borders with Chile, Peru, Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil? The bases will be commanded by Venezuelan and Cuban officers. This is what the brilliant Carlos Alberto Montaner-a survivor of Castro's bloody regime-calls "a delirious vision of history," and it is driven by a new alliance of dictators from Iran, Cuba and Venezuela.

It is part of the grand design so proudly announced by Ahmadinejad: the destruction of our civilization

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 10, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on June 10, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 01:32:39 AM
Oh well yeah...so now I'm wondering--what backer PULLED OUT!

Other reporting I've read or heard said that staffers were pretty miffed that instead of campaigning, Newt and his wife decided to go on week long cruise around the Greek islands.  That is, they are miffed that Newt's wife decided this.  Apparently, Mrs. Gingrich is really calling the shots for the campaign.  Not the actual professionals who (kind of) know what they are doing. 

I'm calling bullshit on that.

Newt's campaign a lost cause regardless or not if his latest wife was interferring.  That Newt's advisors apparently only realized this a few days ago says more about their so-called skills than it does about her.

Rats and sinking ships.  Nothing more to this. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on June 11, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem." 

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



:lulz:

actually, part of the point of that right from the beginning was to be a hedge bet against Dirty Ricky's future ambitions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 11, 2011, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 11, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem." 

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



:lulz:

actually, part of the point of that right from the beginning was to be a hedge bet against Dirty Ricky's future ambitions.

If I were him, I'd be asking Dan Savage if the offer that was made to take it down was still open.  For the low cost of $5 million, donated to the Freedom to Marry gay rights group, the site would just go away.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on June 11, 2011, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 11, 2011, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 11, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem."  

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



:lulz:

actually, part of the point of that right from the beginning was to be a hedge bet against Dirty Ricky's future ambitions.

If I were him, I'd be asking Dan Savage if the offer that was made to take it down was still open.  For the low cost of $5 million, donated to the Freedom to Marry gay rights group, the site would just go away.

If he did that, then he would totally alienate the people who are still willing to vote for him.  

So yeah, I would also like for him to do it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on June 11, 2011, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on June 11, 2011, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 11, 2011, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 11, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem." 

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



:lulz:

actually, part of the point of that right from the beginning was to be a hedge bet against Dirty Ricky's future ambitions.

If I were him, I'd be asking Dan Savage if the offer that was made to take it down was still open.  For the low cost of $5 million, donated to the Freedom to Marry gay rights group, the site would just go away.

If he did that, then he would totally alienate the people who are still willing to vote for him. 

So yeah, I would also like for him to do it.

Me too, but it will never happen.

Even if he ponied up the $5 million, there's no way to remove it from wikipedia, urban dictionary, and common usage.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 11, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on June 11, 2011, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on June 11, 2011, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 11, 2011, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: Rip City Hustle on June 11, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 09, 2011, 08:53:38 PM
Santorum, discussing his "Google problem." 

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/09/ricks-right-there-are-vile-people-out-there



:lulz:

actually, part of the point of that right from the beginning was to be a hedge bet against Dirty Ricky's future ambitions.

If I were him, I'd be asking Dan Savage if the offer that was made to take it down was still open.  For the low cost of $5 million, donated to the Freedom to Marry gay rights group, the site would just go away.

If he did that, then he would totally alienate the people who are still willing to vote for him. 

So yeah, I would also like for him to do it.

Me too, but it will never happen.

Even if he ponied up the $5 million, there's no way to remove it from wikipedia, urban dictionary, and common usage.

No, but it'd take down the site that hits the top of every major search engine when his name is Googled.  But, true, damage done.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on June 12, 2011, 09:05:57 PM
I'd register SpreadingSantorum.org that very day, and within a month it would be same-old same-old. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 13, 2011, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on June 10, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 01:32:39 AM
Oh well yeah...so now I'm wondering--what backer PULLED OUT!

Other reporting I've read or heard said that staffers were pretty miffed that instead of campaigning, Newt and his wife decided to go on week long cruise around the Greek islands.  That is, they are miffed that Newt's wife decided this.  Apparently, Mrs. Gingrich is really calling the shots for the campaign.  Not the actual professionals who (kind of) know what they are doing. 

Yeah, what a dipshit.  I heard about this Friday afternoon.  He's projected to be out of the running by the end of the week.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 13, 2011, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 10, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on June 10, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: Jenne on June 10, 2011, 01:32:39 AM
Oh well yeah...so now I'm wondering--what backer PULLED OUT!

Other reporting I've read or heard said that staffers were pretty miffed that instead of campaigning, Newt and his wife decided to go on week long cruise around the Greek islands.  That is, they are miffed that Newt's wife decided this.  Apparently, Mrs. Gingrich is really calling the shots for the campaign.  Not the actual professionals who (kind of) know what they are doing. 

I'm calling bullshit on that.

Newt's campaign a lost cause regardless or not if his latest wife was interferring.  That Newt's advisors apparently only realized this a few days ago says more about their so-called skills than it does about her.

Rats and sinking ships.  Nothing more to this. 

True 'nuff--but it makes for a nice convenient excuse on their part.  I heard they're scrambling to find Bachmann's coattails.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 13, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Santorum:  The hits just keep on coming.

QuoteSEN. SANTORUM: That would be taking a life, and, and I believe that, that any doctor who performs an abortion--that--I would advocate that any doctor that performs an abortion should be criminally charged for doing so. I don't--I've never supported criminalization of abortion for mothers, but I do for people who perform them. I believe that life is sacred. It's one of those things in the Declaration of Independence. We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights, and the first is life. And I believe that that life should be protected at the moment it is a human life. And at conception it is biologically human, and it's alive. It's a human life, it should be a person under the Constitution.

http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/santorum-i-would-advocate-any-doctor-
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 14, 2011, 12:40:26 AM
Rick Perry has declared he is "exploring his options".  You're deciding whether or not you want to run for President, jackass, not what to order off the menu for lunch.  You know damn well whether you want to or not, stop being such a fucking pussy about it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 14, 2011, 03:23:20 PM
In a resounding display of solidarity, the supporters of Rick "Frothy Mix" Santorum are attempting to salvage his Google presence.  All... 20 of them.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/yeas-nays/2011/06/supporters-try-fixing-santorums-google-problem
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on June 14, 2011, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: Luna on June 14, 2011, 03:23:20 PM
In a resounding display of solidarity, the supporters of Rick "Frothy Mix" Santorum are attempting to salvage his Google presence.  All... 20 of them.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/yeas-nays/2011/06/supporters-try-fixing-santorums-google-problem

Just in case they actually have any effect I am gonna start linking to spreading Santorum (http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/) whenever convenient and/or appropriate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on June 14, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
LAIL

haven't these spags heard of the Streisand effect?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 14, 2011, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 14, 2011, 04:03:28 PM
LAIL

haven't these spags heard of the Streisand effect?

Apparently not.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on June 14, 2011, 06:12:56 PM
See O:MF.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on June 17, 2011, 02:26:07 PM
Even though we already knew this, it's good to see other people picking up on it, as well.

http://www.slate.com/id/2297141/

QuoteThe reaction to the first Republican presidential debate baffles me. Here you have the entire roster of candidates endorsing the new Republican orthodoxy—a Hooverism for the 21st century—and yet commentators are acting as though there is somehow a new moderation among the candidates... If there is a shift to the middle, it is only because the new "middle" is yesterday's far right.

Sure, there was a civility to the debate, a congeniality that was pleasant and soothing. But beneath that veneer, if you listened, you could hear the policies of the worst elements of the Republican Party over the past several decades—policies that once were fringe but have now become the mainstream Republican positions.

There are three core examples of this: the cut-taxes/deregulation libertarian perspective that puts even greater faith in the magic of an unfettered private sector than it did before the economic cataclysm of 2007-08; a social conservatism that is hard line on same-sex marriage and abortion rights; and a newfound isolationism that is an overreaction to the adventurism and unilateralism of President George W. Bush.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 17, 2011, 07:11:18 PM
But, this is why I LOVE it when the far left WRANGLE with the so-called "leftwing media" on shows like Maher's.  Granted Garafalo is 1) an actor first and foremost and 2) a comedian at that, but she's also a talk show host and activist in her own right as well.  And the fact she CALLED the leftwing media on its inability to REPORT what's ACTUALLY happening in politics for favor of talking about shit like Weiner's dick--it was awesome.

We need more of that--the media eating its own--to show that they are NOT the foremost authority, and half their so-called news is just bobble-headed bloviations chockful of bullshit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 17, 2011, 07:17:46 PM
There has been more debate on the foreign policy front than in recent years.  But that aside...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 22, 2011, 12:55:38 PM
Karl Rove is "masterminding" the Romney campaign.  Cue media liberals and bloggers shitting their pants because Karl Rove is basically Voldemort.

By which I mean he is a comical children's villain with no actually scary characteristics besides being a massive arsehole.  Nevertheless, everyone will shit bricks when he is mentioned, because of his Informed Skill of Machiavellian Scheming.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on June 22, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 22, 2011, 12:55:38 PM
Karl Rove is "masterminding" the Romney campaign.  Cue media liberals and bloggers shitting their pants because Karl Rove is basically Voldemort.

By which I mean he is a comical children's villain with no actually scary characteristics besides being a massive arsehole.  Nevertheless, everyone will shit bricks when he is mentioned, because of his Informed Skill of Machiavellian Scheming.

I heard if you say his name three times in front of a mirror, you'll get self-conscious about your neck fat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on June 22, 2011, 01:57:07 PM
Who the fuck is Jon Huntsman? It's entirely possible that I'm revealing my ignorance (because I stopped paying attention to Republicans unless they were hilarious or terrifying when I stopped being a Libertarian), but I have no idea who this guy is.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/jon-huntsman-makes-it-official-throws
Quote
At least he didn't ride a motorcycle to the event. To the surprise of no one, former Ambassador Jon Huntsman threw his hat in the ring for the Republican nomination for president for 2012.

   
QuoteHuntsman, from a podium in New Jersey, with the Statue of Liberty in the background, announced on Tuesday that he would join the race to take on his old boss for the White House next year.

Confirming his intention to seek the nomination, he criticised the president's record and, in contrast with his time as ambassador when he projected American strength, portrayed the US as vulnerable.

"For the first time in our history, we are passing down to the next generation a country that is less powerful, less compassionate, less competitive and less confident than the one we got. This, ladies and gentlemen, is totally unacceptable and totally un-American," he said.

Huntsman, 51, could be a formidable presidential candidate, given his experience in foreign affairs and as a former governor of Utah. But many Republicans cannot forgive the fact that he served in the Obama administration.

Or that he's spoken warmly of the Obama administration in the past. Hard to escape video proof, innit?

There are perhaps hints that the Huntsman campaign may not be as ready for prime time as they would like to believe. First that inexplicable "motorcycling-through-the-desert-I'm-not-a-Wizard" ad teasing his campaign announcement. And then his campaign staff misspells Huntsman's own name in the accompanying press release announcing his candidacy. Oops.

But beyond bizarre ads and campaign workers unfamiliar with their boss' name, in order to have a snowball's chance in hell of capturing the interest of the wacko wing of the Republican party, he's going to have to veer hard right and step away from not only his praise of Obama, but of his personal support of some of the least popular aspects of "Obamacare":

QuoteThere has been much reporting of the fact that as Governor of Utah, Jon Huntsman held a favorable view of the individual mandate, the health insurance coverage requirement that has compelled conservatives to call the president's effort unconstitutional.

The bill ultimately passed in Utah did not include the provision. But it was, as The Huffington Post's Jason Cherkis reported, dropped not because Huntsman personally opposed the idea but because political realities in Utah compelled him to do so.

Huntsman, as a 2007 interview shows, more than just considered a mandate. He supported one publicly. According to a transcript, the then-governor said, " I think if you're going to get it done and get it done right, [a] mandate has to be part of it in some way, shape, or form."

The former governor, who on Tuesday announced he was running for president, has since sought to sweep that moment under the rug. In a video accompanying his formal announcement, the narrator pointedly criticized the idea that individuals should be mandated to purchase health care coverage.

And his family's work with the government of Iran:

QuoteShortly after Jon Huntsman began his tour as President Barack Obama's ambassador to China, an unwelcome letter from an anti-Iran nuclear watchdog group arrived at Huntsman Corp., the chemical company founded by his father.

The bluntly worded missive singled out a Tehran-based subsidiary — purchased when Huntsman worked for the company — for selling polyurethane that could be used in solid fuel for Iranian missiles, among other things.

"How can it be that Ambassador Huntsman could persuade the Chinese government to impose further economic sanctions on Iran when his namesake former company continues to do business in Iran?" read the letter from United Against a Nuclear Iran, a nonpartisan group founded by the late diplomat Richard Holbrooke and veteran Mideast envoy Dennis Ross.

In response to Huntsman announcing his presidential candidacy Protect Your Care Communications Director Eddie Vale issued the following statement:

Quote"As Huntsman stands by the Statue of Liberty one can only hope that none of the tired, poor or huddled masses were counting on having Medicare because Huntsman has said he would sign the Republican budget that ends it. Huntsman's attempt to stand in the shadow of Lady Liberty's history only serves as a dark reminder of how callous it is to attempt to balance the budget on the backs of those who can least afford it.

"What happened to the Huntsman that used to praise Obama, support his health care plan and endorse the individual responsibility provision? It has only been a few weeks since Huntsman returned from China but he has certainly quickly shown a Manchurian candidate like ability to change his positions in an attempt to woo the tea party."

He sounds less retarded (at least right now) than the average Republican, but I doubt that'll last.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on June 22, 2011, 01:58:07 PM
He was Obama's Ambassador to China.

He's no wingnut, his chance of getting the nomination are about as close as the chances of Arlen Specter.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 22, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
He's gonna be the anti-Romney.  Both Mormon, tons of kids, hair just so, good-looking...but he's going to play nicey-nicey with his former boss.  He's apparently what McCain was before the '08 election ate his soul and begat Teh Palin.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on June 23, 2011, 01:00:31 AM
Huntsman has always struck me as not being a complete and total shitneck, which means he has absolutely zero chance of making it out of Iowa let alone winning the Presidency.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 23, 2011, 02:48:22 PM
Well he is skipping one of the primaries altogether--Iowa I believe is the one he's skipping.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on June 23, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
That'll help his campaign. :roll:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 23, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
Yeah, part of me wonders if this is his "first run" that he expects to lose but instead get his name out there for the REAL election in 2016?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 28, 2011, 08:35:39 PM
Bachmann uses Tom Petty song during campaign events.

Tom Petty says hell no and tells the campaign to cease and desist.

http://scoop.today.com/_news/2011/06/28/6966247-tom-petty-tells-bachmann-not-to-use-american-girl

So what, Bachmann couldn't find a decent contemporary American-flag waving pop-country tune to use like the rest of the Republicans? 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on June 28, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
I'm praying her next choice is A kLoKwErK kAoS
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on June 28, 2011, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: R.W.H.N. on June 28, 2011, 08:35:39 PM
Bachmann uses Tom Petty song during campaign events.

Tom Petty says hell no and tells the campaign to cease and desist.

http://scoop.today.com/_news/2011/06/28/6966247-tom-petty-tells-bachmann-not-to-use-american-girl

So what, Bachmann couldn't find a decent contemporary American-flag waving pop-country tune to use like the rest of the Republicans? 

Same thing happened when Palin tried to use Heart's Barracuda.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on June 28, 2011, 08:51:51 PM
And Petty again when Bush wanted to use "Won't Back Down" in his 2000 campaign.  But he did okay Hillary Clinton using "American Girl".  Apparently the politicians really like using Petty tunes. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on June 28, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
It's because their all stoned.

Tell me that doesn't make perfect sense
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on June 28, 2011, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on June 28, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
I'm praying her next choice is A kLoKwErK kAoS

:mittens:

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on June 28, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
Also happened when Mike Huckabee tried to use Boston's "More Than a Feeling".
Rolling Stone story (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/more-than-a-feeling-writer-says-mike-huckabee-has-caused-him-damage-20080214) contains open letter from the band to Huckabee, worth a read if you haven't seen it before.

That seems kind of dumb to just start using a pop song in your campaign without first making sure it's OK with the artist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 28, 2011, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster on June 28, 2011, 10:32:30 PM
Also happened when Mike Huckabee tried to use Boston's "More Than a Feeling".
Rolling Stone story (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/more-than-a-feeling-writer-says-mike-huckabee-has-caused-him-damage-20080214) contains open letter from the band to Huckabee, worth a read if you haven't seen it before.

That seems kind of dumb to just start using a pop song in your campaign without first making sure it's OK with the artist.

Particularly after more than one band kicked up a stink about it last election... including Petty.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:17:45 PM
You'd think there'd be a protocol in place for campaign committees to use--some sort of legal "may we use" document to file and get permission from the artists, etc.

Dumbasses.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on June 29, 2011, 11:31:10 PM
Here's some real winner quotes from Bachmann:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann

HOW DID THIS WOMAN GET ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 29, 2011, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 29, 2011, 11:31:10 PM
Here's some real winner quotes from Bachmann:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann

HOW DID THIS WOMAN GET ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE

You can not take the crazy pills.  Bachmann took them all, already... except for the ones she put in the water around election time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on June 29, 2011, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on June 29, 2011, 11:31:10 PM
Here's some real winner quotes from Bachmann:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann

HOW DID THIS WOMAN GET ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE

This...

This is beautiful.  I'm bookmarking this site, and I'm going to show it to everyone I know.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on June 30, 2011, 12:05:40 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:17:45 PM
You'd think there'd be a protocol in place for campaign committees to use--some sort of legal "may we use" document to file and get permission from the artists, etc.

Dumbasses.

They do. It's called ASCAP. Playing a song at a public event is covered by a blanket license, and not subject to artist's approval. Petty, et al, can bitch and moan, but they can't take legal action.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 30, 2011, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 30, 2011, 12:05:40 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 29, 2011, 05:17:45 PM
You'd think there'd be a protocol in place for campaign committees to use--some sort of legal "may we use" document to file and get permission from the artists, etc.

Dumbasses.

They do. It's called ASCAP. Playing a song at a public event is covered by a blanket license, and not subject to artist's approval. Petty, et al, can bitch and moan, but they can't take legal action.

Nope.  Worse.  They can kick up a stink in the media, and make it known to the fans that the politican in question is trying to attract that they do NOT approve, nor appreciate the use of their music.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on June 30, 2011, 05:50:44 AM
 
Quote from: Cramulus on June 29, 2011, 11:31:10 PM
Here's some real winner quotes from Bachmann:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-ultimate-collection-of-stupid-michele-bachmann

HOW DID THIS WOMAN GET ELECTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Kai on July 16, 2011, 02:32:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

That "therapist" makes me want to stab myself in the head.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on July 16, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on July 16, 2011, 02:32:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

That "therapist" makes me want to stab myself in the head.

That little bit about God making men like titties seems like a good in to me.  God may make some men like titties, he makes other men like cock. (and some like both, on the same person)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on July 18, 2011, 04:58:35 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on July 16, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: ϗ, M.S. on July 16, 2011, 02:32:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

That "therapist" makes me want to stab myself in the head.

That little bit about God making men like titties seems like a good in to me.  God may make some men like titties, he makes other men like cock. (and some like both, on the same person)

...but what about the ASS...seems to me ALL men like THE ASS...Essplain THAT...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on July 18, 2011, 06:08:27 AM
Michelle Bachmann Signs Pledge that Says Black Children Better Off During Slavery (http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2011/07/michelle-bachmann-signs-pledge-that-says-black-children-better-off-during-slavery/)

QuoteIn Iowa, there's a social conservative pledge called "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence upon Marriage and Family" that is anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, anti-divorce etc etc that GOP candidates are being urged to sign. It's got some pretty rigid-sounding stuff, but there's also this extra-special piece:

   
QuoteSlavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President.

Given that families were broken up regularly for sales during slavery and that rape by masters was pretty common, this could not be more offensive. I mean, putting aside the statistics on this, which are likely off-base, I could not be more angry. When will Republicans inquire with actual Black people whether or not we're ok with invoking slavery to score cheap political points? It has to stop. It is the opposite of persuasive  and is another reason Republicans repel us. It's hard to believe that Michele Bachmann would be foolish enough to sigh this pledge.

But proving Bachmann may be crazier and more hardcore than Sarah Palin, she has.

What do you think? Will this torpedo her primary bid or propel her forward with the GOP base?
I don't quite know what to say other than a huge, huge WTF IS THIS
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on July 18, 2011, 06:10:41 AM
Yyyyyeah...that's one of the many MANY pieces of publically humiliating shit that Bachmann will have to live down (meaning: will spin and ignore the more obvious aspects of it), but will damn her in the reality of becoming a REALLY REAL FOR REALS contendah...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 18, 2011, 10:38:27 AM
Jesus fuck.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43789153/ns/politics-decision_2012/
QuoteRepublican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on July 18, 2011, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Luna on July 18, 2011, 10:38:27 AM
Jesus fuck.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43789153/ns/politics-decision_2012/
QuoteRepublican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.

Another great arguement.  Christian churches need to be protested as Christians are trying to inject Biblical law into the United States (and have been way more successful than any Sharia advocate could dream of in this country)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bruno on July 18, 2011, 06:03:56 PM
Thanks to Messiah Law, I can't buy beer before noon on Sundays.

Fortunately, I rarely get up before noon.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 08, 2011, 09:46:00 PM
Rick Perry's Killing of an Innocent Man Is Somehow a Political Asset (http://gawker.com/5827428/rick-perrys-killing-of-an-innocent-man-is-somehow-a-political-asset?tag=rickperry)

QuoteProbable presidential candidate Rick Perry, like other Texas governors, has a history of executing tons of people. The most famous case is that of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed under Perry for burning down his home with his three children inside, even though there's significant evidence that he didn't do it. How will Perry ever get past this in a presidential primary? Trick question! He doesn't have to "get past" anything, because Republican primary voters like him for doing this.

A new Politico report about Perry's chances for winning the nomination includes this incredible anecdote about how hard it is to turn the Willingham case into anything even approaching a political liability for Perry, in the hilariously insane world of GOP primaries:

QuoteVeterans of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison's unsuccessful 2010 primary challenge to Perry recalled being stunned at the way attacks bounced off the governor in a strongly conservative state gripped by tea party fever. Multiple former Hutchison advisers recalled asking a focus group about the charge that Perry may have presided over the execution of an innocent man – Cameron Todd Willingham – and got this response from a primary voter: "It takes balls to execute an innocent man."
We're glad that Team KBH shared this, because it shines light on one of the strangest political statements ever released. The Willingham came into the public spotlight a couple of years ago after a phenomenal New Yorker piece made a convincing, detailed argument for Willingham's innocence. Perry fielded some controversy, too, for firing several members of the Texas Forensic Science Commission who'd backed the report finding the arson claims against Willingham to be "doubtful."

But instead of simply tearing Perry to pieces for being a amoral killing monster from Hell, Sen. Hutchison attacked Perry from the right — saying that the main problem with Perry's actions was in "giving liberals an argument to discredit the death penalty," which she still staunchly supported. This was her objection to Rick Perry killing an innocent man and then covering up the investigation! That it would give liberals an excuse to whine about the death penalty! Stupid liberals! Now, at least, we know about the surreal ultraviolent political box that led her to sign off on such tripe. Don't expect this dynamic to change.
:horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Epimetheus on August 09, 2011, 02:50:05 AM
 :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on August 09, 2011, 06:14:52 PM
...well, any reason that WORKS, I guess...

/cynic
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 09, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
Murder Accessory is now officially a candidate, also.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

Mithter Bachmann hath a little lithp.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

Mithter Bachmann hath a little lithp.  :lulz:

HE'TH FUCKING FAAABULUTH.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on August 10, 2011, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

Mithter Bachmann hath a little lithp.  :lulz:

HE'TH FUCKING FAAABULUTH.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING????

OH MY!!!!!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: COL Coyote on August 10, 2011, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

Mithter Bachmann hath a little lithp.  :lulz:

HE'TH FUCKING FAAABULUTH.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING????

OH MY!!!!!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:



Dude, Marcus Bachmann is gayer than Liberace's thong collection.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on August 10, 2011, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: COL Coyote on August 10, 2011, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 16, 2011, 02:22:20 AM
Holy crap.

You can't make this shit up, can you?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43776462#43776462

Mithter Bachmann hath a little lithp.  :lulz:

HE'TH FUCKING FAAABULUTH.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING????

OH MY!!!!!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:



Dude, Marcus Bachmann is gayer than Liberace's thong collection.

IT IS FUNNNY ON SO MANY LEVELS TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 10, 2011, 04:31:17 AM
NO. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I'M LETTING THAT HATEFUL SCUMBAG EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF BEING COOL ENOUGH TO BE GAY.

FAGGOTRY IS AN HONORED POSITION, BE IT PITCHER OR CATCHER. I'LL BE DAMMED IF THAT FUCKER IS CONSIDERED WORTHY.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on August 10, 2011, 04:32:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 10, 2011, 04:31:17 AM
NO. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I'M LETTING THAT HATEFUL SCUMBAG EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF BEING COOL ENOUGH TO BE GAY.

FAGGOTRY IS AN HONORED POSITION, BE IT PITCHER OR CATCHER. I'LL BE DAMMED IF THAT FUCKER IS CONSIDERED WORTHY.

LMNO, you are awesome.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 10, 2011, 04:44:05 AM
Quote from: COL Coyote on August 10, 2011, 04:32:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 10, 2011, 04:31:17 AM
NO. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I'M LETTING THAT HATEFUL SCUMBAG EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF BEING COOL ENOUGH TO BE GAY.

FAGGOTRY IS AN HONORED POSITION, BE IT PITCHER OR CATCHER. I'LL BE DAMMED IF THAT FUCKER IS CONSIDERED WORTHY.

LMNO, you are awesome.

Troof.

Bachmann, OTOH, is a REPRESSED HYPOCRITE GAY. You know, like a republican.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on August 10, 2011, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 10, 2011, 04:31:17 AM
NO. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY I'M LETTING THAT HATEFUL SCUMBAG EVEN THE POTENTIAL OF BEING COOL ENOUGH TO BE GAY.

FAGGOTRY IS AN HONORED POSITION, BE IT PITCHER OR CATCHER. I'LL BE DAMMED IF THAT FUCKER IS CONSIDERED WORTHY.

Good point.

How about "Marcus Bachmann is a glaringly obvious self-loathing homosexual"?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 10, 2011, 02:07:18 PM
Yeah, that'll work.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 14, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
Pawlenty has withdrawn from the race.  Can't say I'm surprised.  He was a third tier candidate, at best.

BBC thinks the Republican ticket may be Romney/Perry - as Bachmann is far too extreme and evocative of Sarah Palin.  I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 14, 2011, 07:47:32 PM
A Romney Perry Ticket will cause me to vote 3rd Party.  And breathe a sigh of relief that Bachman and Palin are both not going to be elected.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: wudgar on August 14, 2011, 09:59:20 PM
But they did so well last time with grampa and teh idiot. heh heh  #2
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on August 15, 2011, 12:39:21 PM
I'd probably vote for Romney, as much as having Perry on the ticket would make me cringe.

He's probably the only candidate from any party that would, when measured against Obama, prove to be the lesser of two evils.

On the other hand, I might vote for a Bachmann/Santorum ticket just for the lulz.

After all, I have somewhere to run to. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 28, 2011, 10:25:26 PM
I almost missed this little tidbit...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/gop-primary-election-2012_n_984785.html

QuoteRepublicans quietly adopted a new rule designed to extend their nominating process this time around.

The rule limits the ability of candidates to win large numbers of delegates in early primaries and caucuses – those held before April – because delegates must be awarded in proportion to the votes a candidate receives.

Looks like...  Well, maybe I'm cynical, but, looks like they want to delay the nomination to keep their candidate (or running mate) from imploding before the election?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:01:35 PM
Couple of articles on Bachmann I came across today:

Bachmann is repeatedly claiming to have "raised" 23 foster children...  She had a license to for 7 1/2 years, to foster up to three children at a time.  I'm having a little trouble with that math, is it just me?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06/18/michelle-bachmann-lied/

Daily Beast did a fairly extensive article on her extremism:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Yes, he's smart alright. What's your prediction on his platform, if he does decide to go for it?

Also interested in Cain's take on Christie.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:01:35 PM
Couple of articles on Bachmann I came across today:

Bachmann is repeatedly claiming to have "raised" 23 foster children...  She had a license to for 7 1/2 years, to foster up to three children at a time.  I'm having a little trouble with that math, is it just me?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06/18/michelle-bachmann-lied/

Daily Beast did a fairly extensive article on her extremism:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion.html

Theoretically, if she got at least 3 new kids per year, she could have gone through 23 kids. The misleading use of the word "raise" is pointed out in the article, which is where things get fuzzy, of course.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:01:35 PM
Couple of articles on Bachmann I came across today:

Bachmann is repeatedly claiming to have "raised" 23 foster children...  She had a license to for 7 1/2 years, to foster up to three children at a time.  I'm having a little trouble with that math, is it just me?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/06/18/michelle-bachmann-lied/

Daily Beast did a fairly extensive article on her extremism:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/14/michele-bachmanns-unrivaled-extremism-gay-rights-to-religion.html

Theoretically, if she got at least 3 new kids per year, she could have gone through 23 kids. The misleading use of the word "raise" is pointed out in the article, which is where things get fuzzy, of course.

She could easily have had 23 kids in the house.  As the article points out, though, it is possible some of them she had for no more than a week, which is, I'm sure I don't have to tell any of the parents around here, NOT "raising" a kid.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 28, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Yes, he's smart alright. What's your prediction on his platform, if he does decide to go for it?

Also interested in Cain's take on Christie.

Gave it, ages ago.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 28, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Yes, he's smart alright. What's your prediction on his platform, if he does decide to go for it?

Also interested in Cain's take on Christie.

Gave it, ages ago.
In that case, a-forum diving I go.  :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:01:35 PM
Bachmann is repeatedly claiming to have "raised" 23 foster children... 

Toldja Eris had a hand in this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Yes, he's smart alright. What's your prediction on his platform, if he does decide to go for it?

Also interested in Cain's take on Christie.

Preview on at least one plank:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/28/330573/republican-crowd-cheers-government-layoffs/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:40:48 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 28, 2011, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 28, 2011, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.
Yes, he's smart alright. What's your prediction on his platform, if he does decide to go for it?

Also interested in Cain's take on Christie.

Preview on at least one plank:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/28/330573/republican-crowd-cheers-government-layoffs/
Yeah, saw that. He's a fat fuck. But we knew that already.

Also, that Daily Beast article about Bachmann makes my rage gland throb.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 29, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Lewis Black, in his usual, calm, rational manner, discusses the GoP candidates.   :lulz:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/09/28/piers-black-republicans.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on September 29, 2011, 04:43:39 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 29, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Lewis Black, in his usual, calm, rational manner, discusses the GoP candidates.   :lulz:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/09/28/piers-black-republicans.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
:lulz:

Sarah Palin doesn't exist.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Telarus on September 29, 2011, 05:34:40 AM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 29, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
I can't stand the irony

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/28/8018689-romney-says-it-will-be-fun-if-christie-gets-in-defends-flip-flopping

QuoteIn the town hall of 250 people ... Romney addressed perceptions and concerns that he is "a flip flopper."

"In the private sector," he said, "if you don't change your view when the facts change, well you'll get fired for being stubborn and stupid. Winston Churchill said, 'When the facts change I change too, Madam. What do you do?'"

That's different from what he said a week ago, when he said he doesn't change positions.

Romney has flip-flopped on whether he flip-flops or not.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 29, 2011, 04:45:03 PM
METAFLOP.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on September 29, 2011, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 28, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Jenne on September 28, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
So...Chris Christie is thinking of entering, huh?  I was wondering when his "no no, I'm not ready" would wane to the tune of a thousand calls for the crazy to end...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-christie-ready-to-be-president/2011/09/28/gIQAfyuu4K_story_1.html

I knew that fat bastard was just waiting for the teabaggers to melt down.

He's a smart fucker, he is.  Emphasis on the fucker.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on September 29, 2011, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on September 29, 2011, 04:43:39 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 29, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Lewis Black, in his usual, calm, rational manner, discusses the GoP candidates.   :lulz:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/09/28/piers-black-republicans.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
:lulz:

Sarah Palin doesn't exist.  :lulz:

Yes, that was HILARIOUS!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on September 29, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
Anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that "Fat Fuck"'s reticence might be because perhaps he's got shit he doesn't want out in public...that once exposed, the edipose tissues will...astound and amaze Amurricah...and not in a good way?  Sorta how Romney's underwhelming everyone, Palin is dazzling with her bullshit, Bachmann needs to return the guano to its original batcave, and Perry's been revealed as the "dumber-than-dubya"?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 13, 2011, 11:48:55 PM
Herman Cain's been saying that he's a great candidate because he was so successful as CEO of Godfather's Pizza.

He has yet, I note, to release any financial information showing he was successful.

A look, here:

http://jayraskin.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/complete-godfathers-pizza-sales-figure-from-the-herman-cain-years/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
Speaking of Cain, guess who's on board with his platform?

Sherrif Joe!

http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/17/sheriff_joe_and_herman_cain_find_each_other/singleton/

QuoteCain, working to appeal solely to the id of the GOP base, is now meeting with one of the movement's folk heroes: Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the semi-competent cartoon lawman who not long ago cynically trained the entirety of his office's resources on constantly persecuting immigrants...


Ok, this is getting a bit difficult to parse.  I of course mean HERMAN Cain, and not BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKER Cain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Rev on October 18, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
Speaking of Cain, guess who's on board with his platform?

Sherrif Joe!

http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/17/sheriff_joe_and_herman_cain_find_each_other/singleton/

QuoteCain, working to appeal solely to the id of the GOP base, is now meeting with one of the movement's folk heroes: Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the semi-competent cartoon lawman who not long ago cynically trained the entirety of his office's resources on constantly persecuting immigrants...


Ok, this is getting a bit difficult to parse.  I of course mean HERMAN Cain, and not BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKER Cain.

He's meeting with all of them but hasn't endorsed any of them yet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Yes, but how many other candidates have said they want to electrocute and shoot all illegal immigrants?

Just Herman.  Hermain Cain.



Wait a sec....


"H.C."



"NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH THE INITIALS 'HC'."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Rev on October 18, 2011, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Yes, but how many other candidates have said they want to electrocute and shoot all illegal immigrants?

Just Herman.  Hermain Cain.



Wait a sec....


"H.C."



"NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH THE INITIALS 'HC'."

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Yes, but how many other candidates have said they want to electrocute and shoot all illegal immigrants?

Just Herman.  Hermain Cain.



Wait a sec....


"H.C."



"NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH THE INITIALS 'HC'."

Holy fuck.

Dok,
Is a befuddled biped at the moment.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Pretty soon, we're going to wake up in a book that's self-aware.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Pretty soon, we're going to wake up in a book that's self-aware.

I swear to fucking God, I will chew up the binding.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BOOKS?

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/10/18/herman_cain_fec_filing_shows_cain_paid_campaign_cash_to_t_h_e_ne.html

QuoteBloomberg went digging through the GOP presidential candidate's FEC filings and found that Cain's campaign spent more than $36,000 buying copies of his autobiography, This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, and other books and pamphlets he authored to hand out to his supporters. What's more, the Republican campaign bought the books from Cain's own motivational speaking company, T.H.E. New Voice Inc.



CLOSE YOUR EYES, DOK, WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT A PILE OF WORD SALAD.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BOOKS?

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/10/18/herman_cain_fec_filing_shows_cain_paid_campaign_cash_to_t_h_e_ne.html

QuoteBloomberg went digging through the GOP presidential candidate's FEC filings and found that Cain's campaign spent more than $36,000 buying copies of his autobiography, This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, and other books and pamphlets he authored to hand out to his supporters. What's more, the Republican campaign bought the books from Cain's own motivational speaking company, T.H.E. New Voice Inc.



CLOSE YOUR EYES, DOK, WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT A PILE OF WORD SALAD.

They all buy back their books.  The NLT best seller list puts the little dagger symbol next to any book that was mass-purchased.  How do you think they get bestsellers with a fan base that won't read?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Telarus on October 19, 2011, 06:55:01 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Yes, but how many other candidates have said they want to electrocute and shoot all illegal immigrants?

Just Herman.  Hermain Cain.



Wait a sec....


"H.C."



"NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH THE INITIALS 'HC'."

Holy fuck.

Dok,
Is a befuddled biped at the moment.

:spittake:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 19, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 18, 2011, 08:48:26 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2011, 08:46:07 PM
DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BOOKS?

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/10/18/herman_cain_fec_filing_shows_cain_paid_campaign_cash_to_t_h_e_ne.html

QuoteBloomberg went digging through the GOP presidential candidate's FEC filings and found that Cain's campaign spent more than $36,000 buying copies of his autobiography, This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, and other books and pamphlets he authored to hand out to his supporters. What's more, the Republican campaign bought the books from Cain's own motivational speaking company, T.H.E. New Voice Inc.


CLOSE YOUR EYES, DOK, WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT A PILE OF WORD SALAD.

They all buy back their books.  The NLT best seller list puts the little dagger symbol next to any book that was mass-purchased.  How do you think they get bestsellers with a fan base that won't read?
The big deal isn't that Cain's campaign is mass buying Cain's autobiography.  The big deal is that Cain's campaign is mass buying Cain's autobiography from a company that Cain owns.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 02:42:25 PM
between that, Donald Trump announcing his candidacy during climax of The Apprentice, and Palin collecting campaign donations and then deciding not to run, the 2012 election is turning out to be quite a venture for entrepreneurs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 19, 2011, 04:37:58 PM
In case anyone was actually thinking HC's 9-9-9 plan sounded like a good idea, here's this:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/tpc-does-herman-cain/

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/18/opinion/101811krugman3/101811krugman3-blog480.jpg)

QuoteIn Cain's world, a typical household making more than $2.7 million would pay a smaller share of its income in federal taxes than one making less than $18,000.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2011, 04:40:42 PM
I thought I wasn't understanding what I was seeing until I read that quote.  That is scary stupid.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on October 19, 2011, 04:47:32 PM
They're just cleaning out the last bits, when the election really starts nobody will want the shit sandwich that's left.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Rev on October 19, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
Nein-Nein-Nein is the way I look at it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on October 19, 2011, 04:49:39 PM
Yeah, when I heard Nine-Nine-Nine, I immediately said No-No-No.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on October 19, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 19, 2011, 04:47:32 PM
They're just cleaning out the last bits, when the election really starts nobody will want the shit sandwich that's left.

Well, that's good, maybe, anyway.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Bachmann's reaction to the 9-9-9 plan is hysterical http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/11/bachmann-goes-after-cains-tax-plan-turn-9-9-9-upside-down

QuoteWhen you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, the devil is in the details.

she thinks this is the wittiest thing in the world, she's trying not to crack up as she says it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Bachmann's reaction to the 9-9-9 plan is hysterical http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/11/bachmann-goes-after-cains-tax-plan-turn-9-9-9-upside-down

QuoteWhen you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, the devil is in the details.

she thinks this is the wittiest thing in the world, she's trying not to crack up as she says it.

American politics has become a corporate-sponsored Special Olympics.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Rev on October 19, 2011, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Bachmann's reaction to the 9-9-9 plan is hysterical http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/11/bachmann-goes-after-cains-tax-plan-turn-9-9-9-upside-down

QuoteWhen you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, the devil is in the details.

she thinks this is the wittiest thing in the world, she's trying not to crack up as she says it.

American politics has become a corporate-sponsored Special Olympics.  :lulz:

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Bachmann's reaction to the 9-9-9 plan is hysterical http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/11/bachmann-goes-after-cains-tax-plan-turn-9-9-9-upside-down

QuoteWhen you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, the devil is in the details.

she thinks this is the wittiest thing in the world, she's trying not to crack up as she says it.

American politics has become a corporate-sponsored Special Olympics.  :lulz:

It's certainly entertainment, which explains the boom-and-bust backlash that's hit every major GOP hopeful so far.  The teabaggers don't want reform, they want entertainment, they want someone to lead the cheers of yahooism and hate that they are just desperate to spew, and when the Next Big Thing comes along, the candidates are given the Britney Spears and left broken on the side of the highway.  Rick Perry is down to 7%, Bachmann is at 1%, and Herman Cain is at 48%, and seems to be having a little pattern recognition trouble.  He honestly thinks he's got it...Just like the others did.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Bachmann's reaction to the 9-9-9 plan is hysterical http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/10/11/bachmann-goes-after-cains-tax-plan-turn-9-9-9-upside-down

QuoteWhen you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, the devil is in the details.

she thinks this is the wittiest thing in the world, she's trying not to crack up as she says it.

American politics has become a corporate-sponsored Special Olympics.  :lulz:

It's certainly entertainment, which explains the boom-and-bust backlash that's hit every major GOP hopeful so far.  The teabaggers don't want reform, they want entertainment, they want someone to lead the cheers of yahooism and hate that they are just desperate to spew, and when the Next Big Thing comes along, the candidates are given the Britney Spears and left broken on the side of the highway.  Rick Perry is down to 7%, Bachmann is at 1%, and Herman Cain is at 48%, and seems to be having a little pattern recognition trouble.  He honestly thinks he's got it...Just like the others did.

Despite the fact that he was doomed from the beginning. I almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Despite the fact that he was doomed from the beginning. I almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.

He is, like Bachmann and Perry and Spears, naively and vacantly staring at the spotlights, with no concept that the world will turn on him, that those aren't spotlights, they're headlights.  And he will never, ever understand why what's about to happen to him has to happen, just like Britney Spears never understood.

He, like Spears before him, has become convinced that he is The Main Character, and he's just thrilled to discover that America has realized this.

I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't an evil person.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
 :lulz: If only it weren't for the evil!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
:lulz: If only it weren't for the evil!

If it wasn't for the evil, he wouldn't be in the situation.  That's the only actual difference between him and Britney Spears.  She wasn't trying to make people starve to death.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on October 19, 2011, 07:29:28 PM
Hey.... 999... IS HERMAN CAIN MAXWELL MURDER!?

Phox,
Really wants the truth and can't see it through.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:32:00 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 19, 2011, 04:37:58 PM
In case anyone was actually thinking HC's 9-9-9 plan sounded like a good idea, here's this:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/tpc-does-herman-cain/

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/18/opinion/101811krugman3/101811krugman3-blog480.jpg)

QuoteIn Cain's world, a typical household making more than $2.7 million would pay a smaller share of its income in federal taxes than one making less than $18,000.


HAR!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on October 19, 2011, 07:32:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 19, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Despite the fact that he was doomed from the beginning. I almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.

He is, like Bachmann and Perry and Spears, naively and vacantly staring at the spotlights, with no concept that the world will turn on him, that those aren't spotlights, they're headlights.  And he will never, ever understand why what's about to happen to him has to happen, just like Britney Spears never understood.

He, like Spears before him, has become convinced that he is The Main Character, and he's just thrilled to discover that America has realized this.

I'd feel bad for him if he wasn't an evil person.

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 19, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
He does have a good singing voice, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ADaC7AahRM
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 19, 2011, 11:43:56 PM
Santorum... 

Quote"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country," the former Pennsylvania senator explained. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be":
SANTORUM: [Sex] is supposed to be within marriage. It's supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal...but also procreative. That's the perfect way that a sexual union should happen...This is special and it needs to be seen as special.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/19/348007/rick-santorum-pledges-to-defund-contraception-its-not-okay-its-a-license-to-do-things/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: PopeTom on October 19, 2011, 11:47:58 PM
If it's special then shouldn't you share it with as many people as possible?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 19, 2011, 11:43:56 PM
Santorum... 

Quote"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country," the former Pennsylvania senator explained. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be":
SANTORUM: [Sex] is supposed to be within marriage. It's supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal...but also procreative. That's the perfect way that a sexual union should happen...This is special and it needs to be seen as special.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/19/348007/rick-santorum-pledges-to-defund-contraception-its-not-okay-its-a-license-to-do-things/

Oh my god, that guy is a douche. Also, he's homophobic and thinks sex is for procreation... hello, repression.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on October 20, 2011, 12:02:53 AM
Oh, Santorum, you crazy Catholic. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 03:01:12 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 19, 2011, 11:43:56 PM
Santorum... 

Quote"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country," the former Pennsylvania senator explained. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be":
SANTORUM: [Sex] is supposed to be within marriage. It's supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal...but also procreative. That's the perfect way that a sexual union should happen...This is special and it needs to be seen as special.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/19/348007/rick-santorum-pledges-to-defund-contraception-its-not-okay-its-a-license-to-do-things/

Oh my god, that guy is a douche. Also, he's homophobic and thinks sex is for procreation... hello, repression.

QuoteIt is startling that those in the media and academia appear most disturbed by this aberrant behavior, since they have zealously promoted moral relativism by sanctioning "private" moral matters such as alternative lifestyles. Priests, like all of us, are affected by culture. When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While it is no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm.
-Rick Santorum, on the Catholic abuse scandals, 2002
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 20, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I almost feel sorry for the guy.  It has got to be painful to live with so much cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: PopeTom on October 20, 2011, 04:09:09 AM
I think to be a member of the modern Republican party you need to have the cognitive areas of your brain removed or drugged into submission.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on October 20, 2011, 04:13:21 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: Of course it's the fault of icky filthy liberals.


Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 20, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I almost feel sorry for the guy.  It has got to be painful to live with so much cognitive dissonance.
He probably uses the Church as a salve.


Quote from: PopeTom on October 20, 2011, 04:09:09 AM
I think to be a member of the modern Republican party you need to have the cognitive areas of your brain removed or drugged into submission.
The Republicans have an attractive narrative for people who are frightened by change and the self-righteous, and I'm pretty sure it's easier for most people to cling to that and stop thinking altogether.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 20, 2011, 10:44:34 AM
Moral relativists made the Catholic Church kidnap children from their parents and give them to more "deserving" (read: religious and conservative) families, and made priests abuse children.

Is Santorum aware that free will is a component of Catholic theology?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 20, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I almost feel sorry for the guy.  It has got to be painful to live with so much cognitive dissonance.

I almost feel sorry for his wife.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 20, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 20, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 20, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I almost feel sorry for the guy.  It has got to be painful to live with so much cognitive dissonance.

I almost feel sorry for his wife.

I almost feel sorry for the rest of us, having to share a planet with the likes of him.


Wait, scratch the "almost" in that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 20, 2011, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 20, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 20, 2011, 04:07:32 AM
I almost feel sorry for the guy.  It has got to be painful to live with so much cognitive dissonance.

I almost feel sorry for his wife.

I almost feel sorry for the rest of us, having to share a planet with the likes of him.


Wait, scratch the "almost" in that.

When Santorum goes down in flames, Imma send Dan Savage a fruit basket.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on October 20, 2011, 02:26:16 PM
You're all sort of missing the point, which is, if Santorum wants to be a politician, he should mind his own fucking business and do politics.

This is not the sort of shit a politician should concern themselves with, and that's about all I want to say about it, going into any more detail about why it's stupid and wrong is giving it more credence than it should.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 20, 2011, 02:26:16 PM
You're all sort of missing the point, which is, if Santorum wants to be a politician, he should mind his own fucking business and do politics.

This is not the sort of shit a politician should concern themselves with, and that's about all I want to say about it, going into any more detail about why it's stupid and wrong is giving it more credence than it should.

For some, the point of politics is to control others.  I don't think he is consciously EVIL, I think he probably believes that sex is for procreation only, and enjoying it is sinful, wrong, and he has to save us ALL.

I also think he's dangerously wrong.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: hirley0 on October 20, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
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Quote from: Nigel on October 19, 2011, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 19, 2011, 11:43:56 PM
Santorum... 

Quote"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country," the former Pennsylvania senator explained. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be":
SANTORUM: [Sex] is supposed to be within marriage. It's supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal...but also procreative. That's the perfect way that a sexual union should happen...This is special and it needs to be seen as special.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/19/348007/rick-santorum-pledges-to-defund-contraception-its-not-okay-its-a-license-to-do-things/

Oh my god, that guy is a douche. Also, he's homophobic and thinks sex is for procreation... hello, repression.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
When the folks interviewing you start staring at you and coming out with questions like, "You don't really BELIEVE that, do you?" it's possible that your campaign is fucked.

QuoteMORGAN: You believe people — seriously, you think people get to a certain age and go, I think I want to be homosexual?

CAIN: Let me turn it around to you. What does science show? You show me evidence other than opinion and you might cause me to reconsider that.... Where is evidence? [...]

MORGAN: Wait a minute, let me ask you. You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens normally and go, you know what, I quite fancy being a homosexual? You don't believe that, do you?

CAIN: You haven't given me any evidence to convince me otherwise nor has anyone else.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/you_dont_believe_that_do_you032928.php

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 20, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 20, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
When the folks interviewing you start staring at you and coming out with questions like, "You don't really BELIEVE that, do you?" it's possible that your campaign is fucked.

QuoteMORGAN: You believe people — seriously, you think people get to a certain age and go, I think I want to be homosexual?

CAIN: Let me turn it around to you. What does science show? You show me evidence other than opinion and you might cause me to reconsider that.... Where is evidence? [...]

MORGAN: Wait a minute, let me ask you. You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens normally and go, you know what, I quite fancy being a homosexual? You don't believe that, do you?

CAIN: You haven't given me any evidence to convince me otherwise nor has anyone else.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/you_dont_believe_that_do_you032928.php



Holy shitfuckballs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Laughin Jude on October 20, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: PopeTom on October 19, 2011, 11:47:58 PM
If it's special then shouldn't you share it with as many people as possible?

Sharing is for commies.

Condoms are socialism.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: PopeTom on October 20, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 20, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
When the folks interviewing you start staring at you and coming out with questions like, "You don't really BELIEVE that, do you?" it's possible that your campaign is fucked.

QuoteMORGAN: You believe people — seriously, you think people get to a certain age and go, I think I want to be homosexual?

CAIN: Let me turn it around to you. What does science show? You show me evidence other than opinion and you might cause me to reconsider that.... Where is evidence? [...]

MORGAN: Wait a minute, let me ask you. You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens normally and go, you know what, I quite fancy being a homosexual? You don't believe that, do you?

CAIN: You haven't given me any evidence to convince me otherwise nor has anyone else.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/you_dont_believe_that_do_you032928.php



I imagine Mr. Cain is also waiting for evidence on Climate Change and Evolution.  After all so far all we have is theories and as EVERYONE knows a theory is just a random guess you  pass off as fact to advance your socialist political agenda. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 20, 2011, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 20, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 20, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
When the folks interviewing you start staring at you and coming out with questions like, "You don't really BELIEVE that, do you?" it's possible that your campaign is fucked.

QuoteMORGAN: You believe people — seriously, you think people get to a certain age and go, I think I want to be homosexual?

CAIN: Let me turn it around to you. What does science show? You show me evidence other than opinion and you might cause me to reconsider that.... Where is evidence? [...]

MORGAN: Wait a minute, let me ask you. You genuinely believe millions of Americans wake up in their late teens normally and go, you know what, I quite fancy being a homosexual? You don't believe that, do you?

CAIN: You haven't given me any evidence to convince me otherwise nor has anyone else.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/you_dont_believe_that_do_you032928.php



Holy shitfuckballs.

And this dingleberry is one of the top contenders for the GoP nomination.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051228/US-split-GOP-field-poll-reveals-candidate-clear-runner.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

People have lost their fucking minds, I swear.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 20, 2011, 11:25:59 PM
He'll be melting down soon, just like the others.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on October 21, 2011, 12:48:50 AM
Who do you think the eventual nominee will be?  I think the fix has been in for Romney since the beginning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2011, 02:57:57 AM
I never thought I'd see a day when Ron Paul seemed like the most reasonable Republican candidate. The mind boggles.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2011, 02:58:49 AM
Actually that's not true... Romney is hands-down the most reasonable-sounding candidate, except Mormons terrify me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 21, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
Yeah, Romney is going to get the nomination.  I'll be very surprised if it is anyone else.

And, for once, he is the most reasonable GOP candidate, by the very low standards that term represents.  I mean, his foreign policy is insane and incoherent, but he can probably balance the books, and he's moderately socially liberal, except when he's having one of his "moments" when he thinks he was never socially liberal at all and anyone who disagrees misremembers the past.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on October 21, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
 :lulz: I like the description of Romney's socially liberal tendencies as some kind of "episode"
Title: G OP 2012 PRIMA
Post by: hirley0 on October 21, 2011, 05:19:33 PM
NONE of the above , either winner in Florida: OR the dark horse = con/Round 5
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on October 21, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
a teaparty-supporting guy I know posted this to FB:

GOP Risks Third Party Revolt With Mitt Romney Due to Tea Party

http://campaigntrailreport.com/2011/10/20/gop-risks-third-party-revolt-with-mitt-romney-due-to-tea-party

QuoteHey, Tea Party Activist/Member: Are You Going To Give Obama A Second Term?

That's what Pat Buchanan says will happen if the Tea Party does not Support Mitt Romney, and runs its own candidate.


the article wraps up by basically saying "fuck Buchannan, what we [tea partiers] need to do is reach out to minorities like the civil rights movement did. Except without the socialism."


I like where this is going.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 21, 2011, 06:09:11 PM
I don't even understand where this is going.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on October 21, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
The GOP is trying to prevent the Ralph Nader syndrome...GOOD LUCK, FUCKOS.

The thing is, TeaBaggers think they have the mandate from heaven on anything conservative, so they're going to stick to their guns...and I think they might be beyond the kind of logic that Pat B is trying to use on them.

The GOP "grab" for all the TeaBaggin' constituents might slip and miss on this one yet.

THAT would be awesome and glorious.

Also:  I'd love to see how they figure on grabbing minority votes...as they're the ones that love the "tough on crime" racial disparities, immigration policies that keep kids from getting education and health care, and basically flip off anyone who "ain't 'Murrican, born n bred."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 21, 2011, 08:55:32 PM
Quote from: Jenne on October 21, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
The GOP is trying to prevent the Ralph Nader syndrome...GOOD LUCK, FUCKOS.

The thing is, TeaBaggers think they have the mandate from heaven on anything conservative, so they're going to stick to their guns...and I think they might be beyond the kind of logic that Pat B is trying to use on them.

The GOP "grab" for all the TeaBaggin' constituents might slip and miss on this one yet.

THAT would be awesome and glorious.

:lord:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on October 21, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
Dude, I'm still pissed at all the Frosh congress assholes who refuse to pass legislation because of some damned credo.

And what was their first cry as they entered office?

"WHARS MAH GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on October 21, 2011, 08:59:31 PM
You know the world is all kinds of fucked up when Pat Buchanan and the Tea Party aren't on the same page. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 22, 2011, 01:00:04 PM
Herman Cain...  Apparently, he may be a shill for the Koch Brothers.

They're still digging into it, but it appears he's collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from "Americans for Prosperity," which was founded, in great part, by the Koch brothers.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152826/not_an_employee_herman_cain_had_mailing_and_email_addresses_at_koch%27s_americans_for_prosperity_hq/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 22, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 22, 2011, 01:00:04 PM
Herman Cain...  Apparently, he may be a shill for the Koch Brothers.

They're still digging into it, but it appears he's collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from "Americans for Prosperity," which was founded, in great part, by the Koch brothers.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152826/not_an_employee_herman_cain_had_mailing_and_email_addresses_at_koch%27s_americans_for_prosperity_hq/

Haha, somehow unsurprising.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
Regarding the 9-9-9 "plan":

Amateurs talk about tax rate, professionals talk about tax base.  That is all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 23, 2011, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2011, 07:21:35 PM
Regarding the 9-9-9 "plan":

Amateurs talk about tax rate, professionals talk about tax base.  That is all.

Oooh, it wasn't popular, so he updated it!  Now it's the 9-0-9 plan.

If you're at the poverty line, you don't pay the individual 9% flat tax.

QuoteAccording to the Tax Policy Center, Cain's "9-0-9"plan would still raise taxes on the poorest Americans—if to a lesser degree —based on his remarks today. "Poor families would see a smaller tax increase than they otherwise would see, but they will still see a tax increase," says Roberton Williams, senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, whose widely-cited analysis concluded that Cain's 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes for 84 percent of Americans and lower them for the richest households. The Tax Policy Center has yet to do a quantitative analysis of Cain's "9-0-9" adjustment, but policy analysts like Williams come to firm conclusions about its impact. Currently the bottom 20 percent of Americans actually pay a negative tax rate, receiving credits from the federal government, says Williams. So even if poor Americans were to pay zero federal income taxes, they would still experience what is in effect a tax hike.

What's more, Williams adds, "those folks are still going to be left with a sales tax" under Cain's plan, which would disproportionately affect the poor who often having to consume most of their income instead of saving it. So even with the "9-0-9" tweaks, "you still have the fact that poor people will bear a higher tax liability, and rich people will bear a much, much lower one," he concludes.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 23, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Romney may be mis-stepping, here. 

Florida senator Marco Rubio has been playing the "my family escaped from Castro" card, which, in Florida, plays pretty darn well. 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2011/10/21/did-marco-rubio-lie-about-being-the-son-of-cuban-exiles/

Unfortunately for him, it has come to light that his family came to America in 1956.  Castro took power in 1959.  Rubio was born in 1971, before his parents applied for American citizenship, a fact which is apparently being ignored by the birther crowd when Rubio's name is tossed around as a vice-presidential candidate.

Whether Rubio outright lied in order to advance his political career, or just repeated family stories without taking the time to do any research on them, we may never know.

Romney is stepping up to defend Rubio, calling the stories calling him out on the glitch in Rubio's story "unfortunate" and "bogus."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaFZ2FYmBAUw0uNUkGM9zs2ooYfQ?docId=a073e29185db4cc9a7978f57a671ab77

No, Mitt...  It's not "bogus" to point out that a claim made by a candidate is impossible without the intervention of a TARDIS.  I figure Mitt could have done better at defending Rubio (who he could very well be considering as a potential VP candidate) by following Rubio's story, saying, essentially, "well, that's what he was always told, family oral histories DO get changed, over time, and his parents really couldn't go home again due to Castro..."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on October 24, 2011, 09:32:27 AM
Sounds like he's using "bogus" not as a synonym for "false" but instead "a bummer" or something similar.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Telarus on October 24, 2011, 03:02:31 PM

                                                    Bogus!
                                                     /

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2l44nBx31qzzh6g.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on October 24, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Totally!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on October 24, 2011, 05:30:59 PM
I heard someone who was a historian about this sort of thing and a politico to boot being interviewed on this on NPR on Friday, and he was basically saying "I have no doubt Rubio THINKS what he says is true, it's just not possible."  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 23, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Romney may be mis-stepping, here. 

Florida senator Marco Rubio has been playing the "my family escaped from Castro" card, which, in Florida, plays pretty darn well. 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2011/10/21/did-marco-rubio-lie-about-being-the-son-of-cuban-exiles/

Unfortunately for him, it has come to light that his family came to America in 1956.  Castro took power in 1959.  Rubio was born in 1971, before his parents applied for American citizenship, a fact which is apparently being ignored by the birther crowd when Rubio's name is tossed around as a vice-presidential candidate.

Whether Rubio outright lied in order to advance his political career, or just repeated family stories without taking the time to do any research on them, we may never know.

Romney is stepping up to defend Rubio, calling the stories calling him out on the glitch in Rubio's story "unfortunate" and "bogus."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaFZ2FYmBAUw0uNUkGM9zs2ooYfQ?docId=a073e29185db4cc9a7978f57a671ab77

No, Mitt...  It's not "bogus" to point out that a claim made by a candidate is impossible without the intervention of a TARDIS.  I figure Mitt could have done better at defending Rubio (who he could very well be considering as a potential VP candidate) by following Rubio's story, saying, essentially, "well, that's what he was always told, family oral histories DO get changed, over time, and his parents really couldn't go home again due to Castro..."

Rubio was born on American soil.  Amendment XIV is quite clear about that.  He's a natural born citizen.

But still, it's fun to taunt the birthers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 24, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
John McCain was the original Birther target, for being born in the Panama Canal.  Ron Paul supporters led the charge, as they are wont to do anywhere idiocy and conspiracy theory can be combined.

How quickly the media forgot that...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:59:19 AM
Rubio's family may well have left Cuba because of the unrest, which was spearheaded by Castro from 1953 on. 1956 was a particularly turbulent year, marking the release of Castro from prison in Mexico and subsequent attacks on Batista, supported by guerrilla groups. I would have been inclined to leave at that time as well, if I'd had the money.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 29, 2011, 03:04:34 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2011, 05:38:36 PM
Quote from: Luna on October 23, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Romney may be mis-stepping, here.  

Florida senator Marco Rubio has been playing the "my family escaped from Castro" card, which, in Florida, plays pretty darn well.  

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2011/10/21/did-marco-rubio-lie-about-being-the-son-of-cuban-exiles/

Unfortunately for him, it has come to light that his family came to America in 1956.  Castro took power in 1959.  Rubio was born in 1971, before his parents applied for American citizenship, a fact which is apparently being ignored by the birther crowd when Rubio's name is tossed around as a vice-presidential candidate.

Whether Rubio outright lied in order to advance his political career, or just repeated family stories without taking the time to do any research on them, we may never know.

Romney is stepping up to defend Rubio, calling the stories calling him out on the glitch in Rubio's story "unfortunate" and "bogus."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaFZ2FYmBAUw0uNUkGM9zs2ooYfQ?docId=a073e29185db4cc9a7978f57a671ab77

No, Mitt...  It's not "bogus" to point out that a claim made by a candidate is impossible without the intervention of a TARDIS.  I figure Mitt could have done better at defending Rubio (who he could very well be considering as a potential VP candidate) by following Rubio's story, saying, essentially, "well, that's what he was always told, family oral histories DO get changed, over time, and his parents really couldn't go home again due to Castro..."

Rubio was born on American soil.  Amendment XIV is quite clear about that.  He's a natural born citizen.

But still, it's fun to taunt the birthers.

Ah, but the birthers don't think so.  (To admit such, they would have to admit Obama is a "natural born citizen," you see, as they can't disprove he was born in Hawaii, and they therefore must lean on the "his father wasn't a citizen" argument.)

QuoteInstead of fretting over birth certificates, this time birthers are challenging Rubio's viability based on his parents' citizenship. As the basis of their view that the senator isn't eligible to run for the American presidency, they cite Article 2 of the constitution, which says, "no person except a natural born citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President."

But, as the Miami Herald points out, "natural born citizen" has never been defined. While some would contend that anyone born inside the U.S. would and should be considered citizens, birthers disagree. They rely on old writings that apparently stem from the nation's founding to claim that an individual must be born to two U.S. citizens in order to be "natural born."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/birthers-now-claim-sen-marco-rubio-isnt-a-natural-born-citizen/

ETA:  After all...  Arizona's STILL trying to prove Obama isn't a "natural born citizen," and is spending hard-earned tax dollars to do it!

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/28/356099/radical-sheriff-arpaio-has-secret-birther-plan-to-keep-obama-off-2012-ballot/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on October 29, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:59:19 AMthe release of Castro from prison in Mexico and subsequent attacks on Batista

Why do they hate Starbucks employees??
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2011, 01:56:57 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 29, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:59:19 AMthe release of Castro from prison in Mexico and subsequent attacks on Batista

Why do they hate Starbucks employees??

:crankey:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 30, 2011, 10:43:53 AM
Romney and Perry are now throwing around Flat-Tax proposals.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 31, 2011, 04:55:25 AM
If this is real, Perry's fuckin WASTED. He's toast!  :lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M4gz97Y9W8
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on October 31, 2011, 05:43:26 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: PLEASE BE REAL, PLEASE BE REAL!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 31, 2011, 07:16:33 AM
Cain's campaign is toast if there is any truth to these allegations

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/report-herman-cain-accused-of-sexually-suggestive-harassment-in-1990s.php

QuotePolitico reports "at least two" women working at the NRA when Cain ran it "complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior" by the man who is now the national frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.

More:

The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.

Details on the incidents described in Politico include "conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature" and "descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship."

Pretty sure Mitten's own opposition research team tipped Politico off about this.  Mittens may be inconsistent as fuck, but he knows how to drop a bombshell on a political opponent.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 02, 2011, 12:05:15 PM
Herman Cain, the Foreign Policy Genius the GOP has demanded for so long

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/11/01/gop_presidential_candidate_herman_c.php

QuoteI do view China as a potential military threat to the United States... we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they're a military threat. They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.

This is even better than not knowing who the President of Uzbekistan is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 12:14:53 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Also, this
Quote from: Herman CainIt gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they're growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy -- much bigger -- but we're growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

I don't understand Herman Cain.  He's a rocket scientist (literally) with a degree in mathematics, and he performed a successful company turnaround as a CEO.  I don't believe he is a stupid man, so I don't understand why he says such stupid things.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 02, 2011, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Also, this
Quote from: Herman CainIt gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they're growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy -- much bigger -- but we're growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

I don't understand Herman Cain.  He's a rocket scientist (literally) with a degree in mathematics, and he performed a successful company turnaround as a CEO.  I don't believe he is a stupid man, so I don't understand why he says such stupid things.

Do a little more reearch on that "successful company turnaround."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 02, 2011, 05:04:36 PM
Quote from: Luna on November 02, 2011, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Also, this
Quote from: Herman CainIt gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they're growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy -- much bigger -- but we're growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

I don't understand Herman Cain.  He's a rocket scientist (literally) with a degree in mathematics, and he performed a successful company turnaround as a CEO.  I don't believe he is a stupid man, so I don't understand why he says such stupid things.

Do a little more reearch on that "successful company turnaround."

Yeah, um. He kind of managed to run a successful company aground during a financial boom. Regardless of what he claims now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 02, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
I was a general manager at one of the "flagship" stores for Godfather's Pizza when he was in charge.

Upper management was COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality of "the street", the corporate culture was fucked sideways and back, ambition and innovative thinking were VERY frowned-upon, and illegal/unethical practices regarding hiring, scheduling, and payroll were not only encouraged but insisted upon. And it was made clear by the regional managers that these practices were dictated from on-high directly from the corporate HQ in Omaha.

Results were completely predictable. Anyone with talent (or even a shred of competence) fled the company as soon as they could. When I was hired, Godfather's was 3rd on the hierarchy of national pizza chains with dreams of pulling even with Pizza hut and Dominos. When's the last time anyone here even SAW, let alone actually ate at, a Godfather's Pizza?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 02, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
I was a general manager at one of the "flagship" stores for Godfather's Pizza when he was in charge.

Upper management was COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality of "the street", the corporate culture was fucked sideways and back, ambition and innovative thinking were VERY frowned-upon, and illegal/unethical practices regarding hiring, scheduling, and payroll were not only encouraged but insisted upon. And it was made clear by the regional managers that these practices were dictated from on-high directly from the corporate HQ in Omaha.

Results were completely predictable. Anyone with talent (or even a shred of competence) fled the company as soon as they could. When I was hired, Godfather's was 3rd on the hierarchy of national pizza chains with dreams of pulling even with Pizza hut and Dominos. When's the last time anyone here even SAW, let alone actually ate at, a Godfather's Pizza?

I didn't even know they were still in business, actually.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 02, 2011, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 02, 2011, 12:05:15 PM
Herman Cain, the Foreign Policy Genius the GOP has demanded for so long

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/11/01/gop_presidential_candidate_herman_c.php

QuoteI do view China as a potential military threat to the United States... we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they're a military threat. They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.

This is even better than not knowing who the President of Uzbekistan is.

The sad part is, is that a good portion of voters won't know what's wrong with that statement.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 02, 2011, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 02, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
I was a general manager at one of the "flagship" stores for Godfather's Pizza when he was in charge.

Upper management was COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality of "the street", the corporate culture was fucked sideways and back, ambition and innovative thinking were VERY frowned-upon, and illegal/unethical practices regarding hiring, scheduling, and payroll were not only encouraged but insisted upon. And it was made clear by the regional managers that these practices were dictated from on-high directly from the corporate HQ in Omaha.

Results were completely predictable. Anyone with talent (or even a shred of competence) fled the company as soon as they could. When I was hired, Godfather's was 3rd on the hierarchy of national pizza chains with dreams of pulling even with Pizza hut and Dominos. When's the last time anyone here even SAW, let alone actually ate at, a Godfather's Pizza?

I didn't even know they were still in business, actually.

I've never even heard of them before.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 02, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on November 02, 2011, 05:55:28 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 02, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
I was a general manager at one of the "flagship" stores for Godfather's Pizza when he was in charge.

Upper management was COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality of "the street", the corporate culture was fucked sideways and back, ambition and innovative thinking were VERY frowned-upon, and illegal/unethical practices regarding hiring, scheduling, and payroll were not only encouraged but insisted upon. And it was made clear by the regional managers that these practices were dictated from on-high directly from the corporate HQ in Omaha.

Results were completely predictable. Anyone with talent (or even a shred of competence) fled the company as soon as they could. When I was hired, Godfather's was 3rd on the hierarchy of national pizza chains with dreams of pulling even with Pizza hut and Dominos. When's the last time anyone here even SAW, let alone actually ate at, a Godfather's Pizza?

I didn't even know they were still in business, actually.

I've never even heard of them before.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on November 02, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
I had never heard of them before I'd heard of Cain. There aren't any in CT,  and there's only a couple of them in New York state.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=godfather's+pizza&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=57.249013,79.013672&vpsrc=0&hq=godfather's+pizza&t=m&z=4
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on November 02, 2011, 07:28:04 PM
There's 4 in Ohio and none of them are in a major city.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on November 02, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
There's four here, too. Nearest one to me is in Barstow. :lulz: That's scraping the bottom of the barrel, I gotta say. And I hadn't heard of them, either, until all this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 02, 2011, 08:20:40 PM
For the Google challenged:

http://www.yankeesdaily.com/post/32751

They have the public sales figures for the years Cain was CEO.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
From what I understand, Godfather's was in serious trouble when he started, and he kept the company alive and returned it to profitability.  I got my information from here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/10/herman-cain/herman-cain-godfathers-pizza-turn-around/

QuoteA thorough review of business records and interviews with executives who worked with Cain show that the chain was widely considered troubled when he arrived. It's a slight exaggeration to say it was supposed to go bankrupt. But from all accounts, Cain's performance as CEO is widely considered a success. So we rate this statement Mostly True.

Luna, at your link I see total revenues going down, but sales per store going up.  From what I understand, part of how he restored profitability was by closing unprofitable locations, which that chart seems to confirm.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on November 02, 2011, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
I was a general manager at one of the "flagship" stores for Godfather's Pizza when he was in charge.

Upper management was COMPLETELY out of touch with the reality of "the street", the corporate culture was fucked sideways and back, ambition and innovative thinking were VERY frowned-upon, and illegal/unethical practices regarding hiring, scheduling, and payroll were not only encouraged but insisted upon. And it was made clear by the regional managers that these practices were dictated from on-high directly from the corporate HQ in Omaha.

Results were completely predictable. Anyone with talent (or even a shred of competence) fled the company as soon as they could. When I was hired, Godfather's was 3rd on the hierarchy of national pizza chains with dreams of pulling even with Pizza hut and Dominos. When's the last time anyone here even SAW, let alone actually ate at, a Godfather's Pizza?

Two years ago.

It was also the first time I ever heard of them. I thought they were some kind of local chain. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: CorbeauEtRenard on November 02, 2011, 10:04:12 PM
Well, I'm in Nebraska... so I think it was a couple of months ago at a friend's party, since he's just down the street from one.

I, however, stopped getting pizza from them about 3 years ago though. I much prefer the other local chains.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 02, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
From what I understand, Godfather's was in serious trouble when he started, and he kept the company alive and returned it to profitability.  I got my information from here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/10/herman-cain/herman-cain-godfathers-pizza-turn-around/

QuoteA thorough review of business records and interviews with executives who worked with Cain show that the chain was widely considered troubled when he arrived. It's a slight exaggeration to say it was supposed to go bankrupt. But from all accounts, Cain's performance as CEO is widely considered a success. So we rate this statement Mostly True.

Luna, at your link I see total revenues going down, but sales per store going up.  From what I understand, part of how he restored profitability was by closing unprofitable locations, which that chart seems to confirm.

Easy to do when you close down 75% of your stores, refuse to pay overtime or give merit raises, try to squeeze 70-80 hours a week out of your salaried employees (who are told their salary is based on 45 hours a week), hire illegal immigrants for below minimum wage (and don't give "raises" to your employees who make minimum wage when the minimum wage goes up), refuse to pay for repairs and necessary safety-related upgrades to equipment, etc. Anyone can bestow the appearance of a return to profitability upon a business that was already floundering by cutting tons of corners and screwing over everyone who works for you, but it only works in the short-term, and only on paper. Like I said, how many Godfather's Pizzas are in YOUR neighborhood? And how many people do you know who work at one?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 02, 2011, 10:33:20 PM
Heh, now that sounds familiar.  Yeah, in works in the very short term, but ultimately you just end up fucking up the company entirely.

Everyone worth keeping ends up leaving and working for your rivals, or else working independently.  The company is then left with undesirables, incompetents, bootlickers and plain stupid, and that then tends to make even less people want to purchase from them.  Company shrinkage sets in and by that point, it's too late.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 02, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
From what I understand, Godfather's was in serious trouble when he started, and he kept the company alive and returned it to profitability.  I got my information from here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/10/herman-cain/herman-cain-godfathers-pizza-turn-around/

QuoteA thorough review of business records and interviews with executives who worked with Cain show that the chain was widely considered troubled when he arrived. It's a slight exaggeration to say it was supposed to go bankrupt. But from all accounts, Cain's performance as CEO is widely considered a success. So we rate this statement Mostly True.

Luna, at your link I see total revenues going down, but sales per store going up.  From what I understand, part of how he restored profitability was by closing unprofitable locations, which that chart seems to confirm.

Easy to do when you close down 75% of your stores, refuse to pay overtime or give merit raises, try to squeeze 70-80 hours a week out of your salaried employees (who are told their salary is based on 45 hours a week), hire illegal immigrants for below minimum wage (and don't give "raises" to your employees who make minimum wage when the minimum wage goes up), refuse to pay for repairs and necessary safety-related upgrades to equipment, etc. Anyone can bestow the appearance of a return to profitability upon a business that was already floundering by cutting tons of corners and screwing over everyone who works for you, but it only works in the short-term, and only on paper. Like I said, how many Godfather's Pizzas are in YOUR neighborhood? And how many people do you know who work at one?

Huh, I'll be darned.  There's one in Providence.  Of course, it's in Olneyville.  (For those unfamiliar with Providence, I wouldn't walk there at night, even with an armed bodyguard.)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 02, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
Admittedly, if he wins it will be amusing to watch him implement that strategy writ large on the American economy.

WELCOME TO AMERICA. NOW WITH 300% MORE BELARUS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 03, 2011, 02:51:53 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on November 02, 2011, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 02, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
From what I understand, Godfather's was in serious trouble when he started, and he kept the company alive and returned it to profitability.  I got my information from here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/10/herman-cain/herman-cain-godfathers-pizza-turn-around/

QuoteA thorough review of business records and interviews with executives who worked with Cain show that the chain was widely considered troubled when he arrived. It's a slight exaggeration to say it was supposed to go bankrupt. But from all accounts, Cain's performance as CEO is widely considered a success. So we rate this statement Mostly True.

Luna, at your link I see total revenues going down, but sales per store going up.  From what I understand, part of how he restored profitability was by closing unprofitable locations, which that chart seems to confirm.

Easy to do when you close down 75% of your stores, refuse to pay overtime or give merit raises, try to squeeze 70-80 hours a week out of your salaried employees (who are told their salary is based on 45 hours a week), hire illegal immigrants for below minimum wage (and don't give "raises" to your employees who make minimum wage when the minimum wage goes up), refuse to pay for repairs and necessary safety-related upgrades to equipment, etc. Anyone can bestow the appearance of a return to profitability upon a business that was already floundering by cutting tons of corners and screwing over everyone who works for you, but it only works in the short-term, and only on paper. Like I said, how many Godfather's Pizzas are in YOUR neighborhood? And how many people do you know who work at one?
Thanks for the perspective.  I only know what I read.

There are none in my neighborhood, because mine was one of the ones he closed, which sucked because it was the best pizza place in town at the time.  That's not saying much, though, because the only other pizza place we had back then was Pizza Hut.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 07, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/HMimB93XWOpEGtLGw0iGqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNzk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/8b334f6a3a6a8f16fa0e6a7067001306.jpg)

NOT GAY
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on November 07, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
Hey guys, guess what?  No matter who wins the race, they're going to be a shill, in up to the eyeballs with all the worst examples of investment banking, the energy industry and the arms trade.

Just like every other Republican leader since Eisenhower's time.  Not that I'm saying the outcome is predictable or anything, but, well, it is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 07, 2011, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
Hey guys, guess what?  No matter who wins the race, they're going to be a shill, in up to the eyeballs with all the worst examples of investment banking, the energy industry and the arms trade.

Just like every other Republican leader since Eisenhower's time.  Not that I'm saying the outcome is predictable or anything, but, well, it is.

That's why I want the funniest one to win.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 07, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 07, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
Hey guys, guess what?  No matter who wins the race, they're going to be a shill, in up to the eyeballs with all the worst examples of investment banking, the energy industry and the arms trade.

Just like every other Republican leader since Eisenhower's time.  Not that I'm saying the outcome is predictable or anything, but, well, it is.

Will I still get to make fun of Hank Williams Jr?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 08, 2011, 02:36:06 AM
Fun fact I have discovered.

Teabaggers believe the sexual harassment claims against Herman Cain aren't true and are just a big smear campaign, but if you refer to this smear campaign as "swiftboating", they get apoplectic about it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on November 08, 2011, 02:40:51 AM
:lulz:

Cataloging that for future use.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 08, 2011, 02:46:56 AM
B-b-but, that's completely different.  The things the swift boat veterans said about Kerry were all true.  Jerome Corsi wrote a book and everything!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 08, 2011, 02:52:18 AM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 08, 2011, 02:36:06 AM
Fun fact I have discovered.

Teabaggers believe the sexual harassment claims against Herman Cain aren't true and are just a big smear campaign, but if you refer to this smear campaign as "swiftboating", they get apoplectic about it.

Ooooooh!  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on November 08, 2011, 04:00:43 AM
lawl

Quote from: random teabaggerI wish all would stop using the word 'swiftboat' when speaking of Herman,. THERE IS NO DAMN COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO...... Kerry was a lying, backstabbing, traitor....FACT..... yeller kerry........bandaid kerry.........kicked out of the navy kerry..... but that is the past, why are people bringing it up now......... especially when it has NO bearing on today and Herman Cain?????
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 08, 2011, 10:28:26 AM
Nowhere near as bad as the other accusations, but...

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/fifth-woman-raises-questions-about-cains-behavior

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Epimetheus on November 10, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
 :lulz: :lulz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2rDVrmNg
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on November 10, 2011, 04:20:27 PM
Mike Tyson doing an impression of Herman Cain

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4ecfd3a85f/herman-cains-campaign-promises-with-mike-tyson


my favorite meme so far in this electoral cycle is the Herman Cain "Slow Smile"... A slow smile contest is way harder than a regular staring contest. Try it with your friends!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on November 10, 2011, 05:29:53 PM
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 10, 2011, 10:24:24 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059685/Republican-debate-Rick-Perrys-presidential-hopes-flames-memory-fails-him.html

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on November 10, 2011, 10:25:14 PM
I saw the video of that last night. :lulz: Best thing I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 15, 2011, 01:14:47 AM
Herman Cain's week is not getting any better.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8430959

The ex-boyfriend of one of his accusers has come forward with his own recollections of the time.  He didn't see anything happen, but remembers her talking about it at the time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: trippinprincezz13 on November 18, 2011, 07:18:59 PM
How about The Light Party? www.lightparty.com (http://www.lightparty.com)

You know they mean business because their front page opens with the sound of a gong.

PLUS they hold the mystical Elixer of Light http://lightparty.com/Health/HEPProductCatalog.html

AND each month our new president can host nation-wide New and Full Moon celebrations http://lightparty.com/About/Biography.html (http://lightparty.com/About/Biography.html)

Probably old news but I was browsing for third-party/independant candidates for 2012 and came across this. I thought it was cute
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 20, 2011, 11:32:10 AM
Well, ol' Herman apparently needs to say something amazingly stupid (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/cain-would-overturn-supreme-court-if-they-ov) in order to distract people from the building sex scandals...

Quote"If the Perry case or a DOMA case gets to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court were to overturn DOMA or to find a -- quote -- unquote -- constitutional -- a U.S. Constitutional right to same sex marriage, if you were president, what would you do?" Brown asked.

"I would lead the charge to overturn the Supreme Court if they overturned DOMA," Cain insisted.

ETA:  Newt Gingrich, getting in on the stupid (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/19/newt-gingrich-calls-for-end-of-child-labor-laws/):

Quote"It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in child laws which are truly stupid," Gingrich said. "Saying to people you shouldn't go to work before you're 14, 16. You're totally poor, you're in a school that's failing with a teacher that's failing. I tried for years to have a very simple model. These schools should get rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work; they'd have cash; they'd have pride in the schools. They'd begin the process of rising. Go out and talk to people who are really successful in one generation. They all started their first job at 9 to 14 years of age. They are selling newspapers, going door to door, washing cars. They were all making money at a very young age. What do we say to poor kids in poor neighborhoods? Don't do it. Remember all the stuff about not getting a hamburger-flipping job? Worst possible advice to give the poor children."

He seriously said, get rid of child labor laws, and employ poor children as school janitors.  I just... 

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freckleback on November 20, 2011, 12:33:18 PM
After school detention in my high school consisted of helping the janitor clean the bathrooms and mop the floors.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2011, 07:08:46 PM
The wealthiest elite would love it if we got rid of child labor laws while simultaneously eliminating the middle class. What they really want is a serf system.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 20, 2011, 07:15:52 PM
Quote from: nihilbilly on November 20, 2011, 12:33:18 PM
After school detention in my high school consisted of helping the janitor clean the bathrooms and mop the floors.

You appear to have missed the point.

The point is that he is advocating eliminating the laws that prevent companies from putting children to work... and suggesting we unemploy adults, handing those jobs over to children.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Jenne on November 23, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
Child labor--it's not just for the 3rd World anymore!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on November 23, 2011, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: Jenne on November 23, 2011, 07:30:56 PM
Child labor--it's not just for the 3rd World anymore!

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on November 23, 2011, 07:48:44 PM
Oh Hi 19th Century. It's been a while since you were around.

Yes, I'd like to work in your factory for 16 hours a day 7 days a week for a dime a day with no health benefits or sick leave. I probably don't need 10 fingers anyway. Sounds wonderful.

Signed,
Someone's 5 year old.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on November 23, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
QuoteDuring The Family Leader's Thanksgiving Family Forum in Iowa on Saturday, forum moderator Frank Luntz's first question to Rick Santorum was "what's the number one value that America has lost and how would you get it back?"

Santorum's response was that America has lost the recognition that this nation was founded on the principle that our rights come from God and that, as such, we are also required to abide by God's laws ... which, he explained, was totally unlike Sharia:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-gods-law-and-civil-law-must-be-same

(http://bank.imgdumpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/face-palm-e1294657839590.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 24, 2011, 06:40:36 PM
Quote from: Luna on November 23, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
QuoteDuring The Family Leader's Thanksgiving Family Forum in Iowa on Saturday, forum moderator Frank Luntz's first question to Rick Santorum was "what's the number one value that America has lost and how would you get it back?"

Santorum's response was that America has lost the recognition that this nation was founded on the principle that our rights come from God and that, as such, we are also required to abide by God's laws ... which, he explained, was totally unlike Sharia:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/santorum-gods-law-and-civil-law-must-be-same

:happythoughts: UUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNG!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 03, 2011, 01:36:46 AM
Herman Cain may be an unending wellspring of stupid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57335695-503544/women-for-cain-back-embattled-candidate/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

He's got a new "Women for Cain" site up.  His wife is listed as the "National Chairperson" for the movement, but there is neither a photo of her nor any words directly from her on the site.  The photo of four diverse women giving a thumbs-up is a stock photo. 

Apparently, Cain has not met with his wife since the allegations about his affair surfaced...  (HOW long ago was that, Mr. Family Values?)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Igor on December 03, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Rumour has it that Cain is dropping out. Or at least, Rachael Maddow told Dan Savage that it's about to happen.



There was also a great article in Der Spiegel recently, voicing Europe's horrormirth at the whole GOP presidential race:

QuoteAfrica is a country. In Libya, the Taliban reigns. Muslims are terrorists; most immigrants are criminal; all Occupy protesters are dirty. And women who feel sexually harassed -- well, they shouldn't make such a big deal about it.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the US Republicans. Or rather, to the twisted world of what they call their presidential campaigns. For months now, they've been traipsing around the country with their travelling circus, from one debate to the next, one scandal to another, putting themselves forward for what's still the most powerful job in the world.

As it turns out, there are no limits to how far they will stoop.

It even gets better after that.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 03, 2011, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: Igor on December 03, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Rumour has it that Cain is dropping out. Or at least, Rachael Maddow told Dan Savage that it's about to happen.



There was also a great article in Der Spiegel recently, voicing Europe's horrormirth at the whole GOP presidential race:

QuoteAfrica is a country. In Libya, the Taliban reigns. Muslims are terrorists; most immigrants are criminal; all Occupy protesters are dirty. And women who feel sexually harassed -- well, they shouldn't make such a big deal about it.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the US Republicans. Or rather, to the twisted world of what they call their presidential campaigns. For months now, they've been traipsing around the country with their travelling circus, from one debate to the next, one scandal to another, putting themselves forward for what's still the most powerful job in the world.

As it turns out, there are no limits to how far they will stoop.

It even gets better after that.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html



Apparently, Cain said that if his wife wants him to drop out, he will, but he hasn't bothered to talk to her about it, yet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Igor on December 03, 2011, 01:36:03 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 03, 2011, 11:22:28 AM
Apparently, Cain said that if his wife wants him to drop out, he will, but he hasn't bothered to talk to her about it, yet.

So basically he's staying in for as long as he can hide from his wife?  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 04, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/herman-cain-suspending-presidential-campaign_n_1126331.html

Cain has "suspended his campaign." 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 04, 2011, 05:37:31 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 04, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/03/herman-cain-suspending-presidential-campaign_n_1126331.html

Cain has "suspended his campaign." 

I really think that most of these complete jokes of Republican candidates never had any intention of following through. I think that they're all just in it for some sweet sweet campaign fundraising like Sarah Palin.

Thanks for the 80 million! Sorry, can't run after all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 04, 2011, 07:34:04 PM
Herman Cain had a book ready to go for the campaign trail.  So long, suckers!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 04, 2011, 07:59:39 PM
You know, I've been a registered Republican for so long that it wouldn't look suspicious at all if I suddenly run for President.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 04, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
All I need is a hastily-written, poorly-edited, un-fact-checked book and a fucking ricockulous platform.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on December 05, 2011, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 04, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
All I need is a hastily-written, poorly-edited, un-fact-checked book and a fucking ricockulous platform.

I'd vote for you.



Dark Empress Nigel:  It Does Exactly What it Says on the Label!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on December 05, 2011, 08:00:28 PM
DARK EMPRESS NIGEL: APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 05, 2011, 08:00:28 PM
DARK EMPRESS NIGEL: APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD.

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

Because, frankly, the rest of the yahoos running resemble nothing so much as the Thalidomide baby volleyball playoffs. 

TGRR,
It only hurts when I laugh.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 05, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
 :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 05, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
Id join the gop just so i could vote for you in the primaries nigel
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 05, 2011, 09:14:41 PM
What would suck is if I accidentally got elected.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Scribbly on December 05, 2011, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 05, 2011, 09:14:41 PM
What would suck is if I accidentally got elected.

Exactly the kind of attitude that leads to the best presidents.

If I was American I would vote Nigel. I hear she got her birth certificate tatooed over the face of a birther!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 05, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

I'll take that a step further and state that ANY candidate for ANY office who shows us wearing Mother "No, I'd prefer to keep you alive until I can convert you regardless of what sort of unbearable misery you're suffering" Theresa's skull as a hat will automatically get my vote.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Newt forgot to (or couldn't) pay the $1,000 filing fee in MO, so he can't even get on the ballot in that state.

I think we're being trolled.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 06, 2011, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Newt forgot to (or couldn't) pay the $1,000 filing fee in MO, so he can't even get on the ballot in that state.

I think we're being trolled.

You know, this is probably the only way that Romney would have been acceptable. Maybe it sounds a bit Machiavellian but maybe the rest of them are there just to make Mitt look good enough for conservatives to vote for.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 06, 2011, 04:04:08 AM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 06, 2011, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Newt forgot to (or couldn't) pay the $1,000 filing fee in MO, so he can't even get on the ballot in that state.

I think we're being trolled.

You know, this is probably the only way that Romney would have been acceptable. Maybe it sounds a bit Machiavellian but maybe the rest of them are there just to make Mitt look good enough for conservatives to vote for.

Hanlon's Razor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 06, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Mitt Romney is probably cunning enough to come up with something like that...but getting the rest of the prima donnas to play along?  More luck herding cats.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 06, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 06, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Mitt Romney is probably cunning enough to come up with something like that...but getting the rest of the prima donnas to play along?  More luck herding cats.

Fair enough. Honestly though, I am surprised this primary race is still going on.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 06, 2011, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Newt forgot to (or couldn't) pay the $1,000 filing fee in MO, so he can't even get on the ballot in that state.

I think we're being trolled.


Ahahahahahaaaa what?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 06, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 02:47:24 AM
Newt forgot to (or couldn't) pay the $1,000 filing fee in MO, so he can't even get on the ballot in that state.

I think we're being trolled.
I have a similar feeling.  Newt was also the first one to sign up for a debate to be moderated by Donald Trump, and I think that's going to be a circus.

PMZ,
really hopes he asks the candidates questions about Obama's citizenship.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 06, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
a debate to be moderated by Donald Trump,


My brain actually cramped, just then.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on December 07, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 05, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

I'll take that a step further and state that ANY candidate for ANY office who shows us wearing Mother "No, I'd prefer to keep you alive until I can convert you regardless of what sort of unbearable misery you're suffering" Theresa's skull as a hat will automatically get my vote.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P43vz7gvl8I/Tt9y5YnpEaI/AAAAAAAAATo/-tK6tMF3I8I/w402/Nigel%2B2012.JPG)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 07, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 07, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 05, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

I'll take that a step further and state that ANY candidate for ANY office who shows us wearing Mother "No, I'd prefer to keep you alive until I can convert you regardless of what sort of unbearable misery you're suffering" Theresa's skull as a hat will automatically get my vote.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P43vz7gvl8I/Tt9y5YnpEaI/AAAAAAAAATo/-tK6tMF3I8I/w402/Nigel%2B2012.JPG)

:lulz:

I like the texture.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 07, 2011, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 06, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
a debate to be moderated by Donald Trump,


My brain actually cramped, just then.   :lulz:

I'm disappointed.  This thing seems to be going over like a lead balloon.  Only Gingrich and Santorum have agreed to appear so far.  Huntsman and Paul turned it down immediately, Romney turned it down after waffling for a few days, and the others are still waffling.

Also, it's going to be on cable channels that few carriers provide, so most people would have to watch it on the internet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 07, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 07, 2011, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 06, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 06, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
a debate to be moderated by Donald Trump,


My brain actually cramped, just then.   :lulz:

I'm disappointed.  This thing seems to be going over like a lead balloon.  Only Gingrich and Santorum have agreed to appear so far.  Huntsman and Paul turned it down immediately, Romney turned it down after waffling for a few days, and the others are still waffling.

Also, it's going to be on cable channels that few carriers provide, so most people would have to watch it on the internet.

Still, the stupid should be glorious.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 07, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 07, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 05, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

I'll take that a step further and state that ANY candidate for ANY office who shows us wearing Mother "No, I'd prefer to keep you alive until I can convert you regardless of what sort of unbearable misery you're suffering" Theresa's skull as a hat will automatically get my vote.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P43vz7gvl8I/Tt9y5YnpEaI/AAAAAAAAATo/-tK6tMF3I8I/w402/Nigel%2B2012.JPG)


Ooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 08, 2011, 02:25:05 AM
Quote from: Nigel on December 07, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 07, 2011, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on December 05, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 05, 2011, 08:05:18 PM

Nigel could show up with Mother Theresa's festering skull as a hat, and I'd vote for her.

I'll take that a step further and state that ANY candidate for ANY office who shows us wearing Mother "No, I'd prefer to keep you alive until I can convert you regardless of what sort of unbearable misery you're suffering" Theresa's skull as a hat will automatically get my vote.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P43vz7gvl8I/Tt9y5YnpEaI/AAAAAAAAATo/-tK6tMF3I8I/w402/Nigel%2B2012.JPG)


Ooooooooooooo!

I just in my pance.

Also, this:

(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama_dizzy_double_large1.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on December 08, 2011, 02:31:35 AM
Little bit, yeah.  @-@
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 10, 2011, 01:02:30 AM
Yay!  More Trump butthurt! (http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/trump-blasts-bachmann-for-declining-debate-20111209)

Quote"You know who I'm very disappointed in? Michele Bachmann. She's come up to see me four times. Four times. She'd call me, she'd ask me for advice, she said I should be her vice presidential, you know, if she wins, she'd like to think about me for the vice presidency, all of these things. And then after all of that, she announced she's not going to do the debate. It's unbelievable. You know, it's called loyalty. It's actually called loyalty. How do you do that? I mean, it's amazing to me."

Five Republican candidates, including the Minnesota congresswoman, have declined to participate in the Dec. 27 event, hosted by Newsmax and scheduled just days before the first-in-the-nation caucuses in Iowa. Only former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania have agreed to participate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 10, 2011, 01:31:27 AM
Dammit!  Rick Perry and now Michele Bachmann.  That debate had the potential to be hilarious, but it's going to suck if it's just Santorum and Gingrich. 

The debate will be good for Newt, though, because sharing a stage with Santorum will make him seem likable.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 11, 2011, 12:23:41 PM
The crowd at a GoP debate booed an American soldier because he had the guts to speak up and say that he's gay.

What will they cheer?

Child labor.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/10/gop-debate-audience-cheers-child-labor/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 11, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
I'd just like to point out, Herman Cain's campaign was not derailed because he has never held political office before, was unaware China had nuclear weapons, or was alleged to have sexually assaulted women.

It ended because of a consensual affair he had.

Just think about that for a minute.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 11, 2011, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
I'd just like to point out, Herman Cain's campaign was not derailed because he has never held political office before, was unaware China had nuclear weapons, or was alleged to have sexually assaulted women.

It ended because of a consensual affair he had.

Just think about that for a minute.

Oh, I have. And I can't stop laughing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 11, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
It is indeed a helpful reminder that elections in the 21st century in America are essentially about enforcing attitudes of cultural orthodoxy, rather than choosing leaders.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 11, 2011, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
It is indeed a helpful reminder that elections in the 21st century in America are essentially about enforcing attitudes of cultural orthodoxy, rather than choosing leaders.

True, but they all fuck around, or would if they had a chance.

Even more LAIL.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 11, 2011, 08:21:22 PM
You're missing the point, I feel...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on December 12, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 11, 2011, 05:23:51 PM
It is indeed a helpful reminder that elections in the 21st century in America are essentially about enforcing attitudes of cultural orthodoxy, rather than choosing leaders.

:mittens:

that IS the absurd thing, isn't it?

We should make posters which pinpoint this as the real purpose of elections.

I've been trying to wrap my head around what meme would best highlight this absurdity. I want to tell people that if they vote based on "who they can have a beer with", they are one of those suckers PT Barnum was talking about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 13, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
QuoteAs President, I will vigorously enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, which was enacted under my leadership as Speaker of the House, and ensure compliance with its provisions, especially in the military. I will also aggressively defend the constitutionality of DOMA in federal and state courts. I will support sending a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification. I will also oppose any judicial, bureaucratic, or legislative effort to define marriage in any manner other than as between one man and one woman. I will support all efforts to reform promptly any uneconomic or anti-marriage aspects of welfare and tax policy. I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others.

-Newt Gingrich (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/12/387714/gingrich-reaffirms-opposition-to-marriage-equality-affirms-family-leaders-anti-gay-pledge/), who knows a hell of a lot about personal fidelity, having screwed it up on multiple occasions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/newts-women-newt-gingrich_n_860341.html#s277211&title=19621980)...

He reportedly served his first wife the divorce papers while she was recovering from uterine cancer.  He divorced his second wife after she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.  There have been numerous documented affairs, including having affairs with his second and third wives while still married to his first and second.  But, of course, he had affairs because he LOVES his country...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Suu on December 13, 2011, 02:18:56 AM
Quote from: Luna on December 13, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
QuoteAs President, I will vigorously enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, which was enacted under my leadership as Speaker of the House, and ensure compliance with its provisions, especially in the military. I will also aggressively defend the constitutionality of DOMA in federal and state courts. I will support sending a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification. I will also oppose any judicial, bureaucratic, or legislative effort to define marriage in any manner other than as between one man and one woman. I will support all efforts to reform promptly any uneconomic or anti-marriage aspects of welfare and tax policy. I also pledge to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others.

-Newt Gingrich (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/12/387714/gingrich-reaffirms-opposition-to-marriage-equality-affirms-family-leaders-anti-gay-pledge/), who knows a hell of a lot about personal fidelity, having screwed it up on multiple occasions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/newts-women-newt-gingrich_n_860341.html#s277211&title=19621980)...

He reportedly served his first wife the divorce papers while she was recovering from uterine cancer.  He divorced his second wife after she was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis.  There have been numerous documented affairs, including having affairs with his second and third wives while still married to his first and second.  But, of course, he had affairs because he LOVES his country...

Sweet merciful fuck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 13, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
He was having an affair while pushing to impeach Clinton for having an affair.  The hypocrisy is staggering.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 13, 2011, 10:31:39 PM
Heh.  Trump bailed out.

Quote"The Republican Party candidates are very concerned that sometime after the final episode of The Apprentice, on May 20th, when the equal time provisions are no longer applicable to me, I will announce my candidacy for President of the United States as an Independent and that, unless I conclusively agree not to run as an Independent, they will not agree to attend or be a part of the Newsmax debate scheduled for December 27, 2011.
"It is very important to me that the right Republican candidate be chosen to defeat the failed and very destructive Obama Administration, but if that Republican, in my opinion, is not the right candidate, I am not willing to give up my right to run as an Independent candidate. Therefore, so that there is no conflict of interest within the Republican Party, I have decided not to be the moderator of the Newsmax debate. The American people are embarrassed by the gridlock currently taking place in Washington. I must leave all of my options open because, above all else, we must make America great again!
"I would like to thank Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for having the courage, conviction, and confidence to immediately accept being a part of the Newsmax debate. I believe this would not only have been the most watched debate, but also the most substantive and interesting debate!"

Translation:  Nobody would come play with me, so I'm taking my marbles and going home.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 13, 2011, 10:52:15 PM
Gingrinch isn't going to get the nomination anyway.  He's even more odious and disliked than Romney, both among the base and party elite.  Pretty much everyone who has worked with him has ended up saying they hate his guts, either openly or in the mealy-mouthed way most politicos say such things.

Let's just put it this way: can you name any big-hitter endorsements for Gingrinch?  No, because he doesn't have any.  Romney at the very least has hacks like Brooks and the other centrist media wankfest types cheerleading for him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 13, 2011, 11:18:56 PM
His new tax plan to "save billions" apparently will give millionaires a massive tax break:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/12/387889/gingrich-millionaire-tax-cut/

QuoteGingrich's plan would create an optional 15 percent flat tax with a per-person deduction of $12,000. He would drop the corporate tax rate to 12.5 percent from 35 percent, allow businesses to write off capital expenses and eliminate taxes on capital gains and estates, according to his website.
People earning more than $1 million a year would receive an average tax cut of $613,689 in 2015, compared with what they pay now. That change would boost their after-tax income by 28.7 percent and put their average tax rate at 11.9 percent.

Ron Paul is gaining ground

http://www.businessinsider.com/shock-poll-ron-paul-is-closing-in-on-newt-gingrich-in-iowa-2011-12
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Chairman Risus on December 13, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 13, 2011, 10:31:39 PM
Heh.  Trump bailed out.

Quote"The Republican Party candidates are very concerned that sometime after the final episode of The Apprentice, on May 20th, when the equal time provisions are no longer applicable to me, I will announce my candidacy for President of the United States as an Independent and that, unless I conclusively agree not to run as an Independent, they will not agree to attend or be a part of the Newsmax debate scheduled for December 27, 2011.
"It is very important to me that the right Republican candidate be chosen to defeat the failed and very destructive Obama Administration, but if that Republican, in my opinion, is not the right candidate, I am not willing to give up my right to run as an Independent candidate. Therefore, so that there is no conflict of interest within the Republican Party, I have decided not to be the moderator of the Newsmax debate. The American people are embarrassed by the gridlock currently taking place in Washington. I must leave all of my options open because, above all else, we must make America great again!
"I would like to thank Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for having the courage, conviction, and confidence to immediately accept being a part of the Newsmax debate. I believe this would not only have been the most watched debate, but also the most substantive and interesting debate!"

Translation:  Nobody would come play with me, so I'm taking my marbles and going home.

It looks like nobody wanted to play because Trump says he's about to announce his bid for presidency.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 14, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
Quote from: Risus on December 13, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 13, 2011, 10:31:39 PM
Heh.  Trump bailed out.

Quote"The Republican Party candidates are very concerned that sometime after the final episode of The Apprentice, on May 20th, when the equal time provisions are no longer applicable to me, I will announce my candidacy for President of the United States as an Independent and that, unless I conclusively agree not to run as an Independent, they will not agree to attend or be a part of the Newsmax debate scheduled for December 27, 2011.
"It is very important to me that the right Republican candidate be chosen to defeat the failed and very destructive Obama Administration, but if that Republican, in my opinion, is not the right candidate, I am not willing to give up my right to run as an Independent candidate. Therefore, so that there is no conflict of interest within the Republican Party, I have decided not to be the moderator of the Newsmax debate. The American people are embarrassed by the gridlock currently taking place in Washington. I must leave all of my options open because, above all else, we must make America great again!
"I would like to thank Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum for having the courage, conviction, and confidence to immediately accept being a part of the Newsmax debate. I believe this would not only have been the most watched debate, but also the most substantive and interesting debate!"

Translation:  Nobody would come play with me, so I'm taking my marbles and going home.

It looks like nobody wanted to play because Trump says he's about to announce his bid for presidency.

:weary:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 14, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
Trump is totally one of those guys who is just smart enough to think he's smarter than everyone else, and not quite smart enough to realize that he's not.

IOW Dunning/Kruger effect strikes again.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
Trump is totally one of those guys who is just smart enough to think he's smarter than everyone else, and not quite smart enough to realize that he's not.

IOW Dunning/Kruger effect strikes again.

He's making mad bank.  He never intended to become president.

Just saying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
Trump is totally one of those guys who is just smart enough to think he's smarter than everyone else, and not quite smart enough to realize that he's not.

IOW Dunning/Kruger effect strikes again.

He's making mad bank.  He never intended to become president.

Just saying.

I suspect that none of them intend to become President. The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

I'm not voting for any of these cocksuckers. If any of them actually sucked cock, I might consider it.

I can't wait to broadcast that I'm not voting on Facebook. People get so whipped up about it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 14, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"

The truth behind this statement makes me very angry.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 14, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"

The truth behind this statement makes me very angry.

Good.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on December 14, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"

The truth behind this statement makes me very angry.

They should have a "dislike" button, just for shit like this.

That would show 'em.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 15, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Obama leads Romney by less than a point.

Meanwhile...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html

8 points or so.  The Dems are trying their best to get Gingrinch to be taken seriously as a candidate, but anyone who actually wants a chance at winning only has one choice: Romney.

And no, it doesn't fucking matter that he's a Mormon.  At least, not any more than it matters that Obama keeps demoralizing the shit out of his own "progressive supporters".  Antipathy to both parties is high, and it pretty much evens out problems with rallying "the base".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on December 15, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"

Too late: http://www.lucthehague.nl/news/premier-gezocht.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TunKR.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 15, 2011, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TunKR.png)

What a lovely tan Romney has.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 15, 2011, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TunKR.png)

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 15, 2011, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 15, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 14, 2011, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 14, 2011, 05:32:52 PM
The whole fucking political system is turning into a reality show.

Once again, Nigel cuts to the chase.

What do you want to bet that somewhere between now and 2016, MTV will have a show called "So You Want To Be President?"

Too late: http://www.lucthehague.nl/news/premier-gezocht.html

Oh god.  :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 15, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TunKR.png)

HOW.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Chairman Risus on December 15, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
It must be an absolute riot working at Fox News.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 15, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 15, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TunKR.png)

HOW.

Hell, that's not half as bad as how they mysteriously manage to mislabel any GoP politician caught with his dick where he shouldn't have it (like, say, in a rentboy) as a Democrat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 15, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
Santorum opened his pie-hole again.

QuoteSantorum tweeted: "Here is 1 effect of changing definition of marriage "@HuffingtonPost: Marriage rate in America drops to new low"

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/12/15/rick-santorum-blames-lower-us-wedding-rates-on-marriage-equality/

All those extra people being allowed to marry!  THAT's why fewer people are getting married!

:?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 15, 2011, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 15, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
Santorum opened his pie-hole again.

QuoteSantorum tweeted: "Here is 1 effect of changing definition of marriage "@HuffingtonPost: Marriage rate in America drops to new low"

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/12/15/rick-santorum-blames-lower-us-wedding-rates-on-marriage-equality/

All those extra people being allowed to marry!  THAT's why fewer people are getting married!

:?
If I understand correctly, that's exactly their argument.  Now that the wrong sort of couples can get married in a handful of states, marriage is completely meaningless so why bother?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 15, 2011, 11:59:28 PM
Quote from: Precious Moments Zalgo on December 15, 2011, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 15, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
Santorum opened his pie-hole again.

QuoteSantorum tweeted: "Here is 1 effect of changing definition of marriage "@HuffingtonPost: Marriage rate in America drops to new low"

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/12/15/rick-santorum-blames-lower-us-wedding-rates-on-marriage-equality/

All those extra people being allowed to marry!  THAT's why fewer people are getting married!

:?
If I understand correctly, that's exactly their argument.  Now that the wrong sort of couples can get married in a handful of states, marriage is completely meaningless so why bother?

Same argument used to promote the anti-misegenation laws: http://hnn.us/articles/4708.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 20, 2011, 03:17:51 AM
Aaaand, the inevitable Herman Cain butthurt  (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/18/herman-cain-the-liberal-media-forced-me-out-of-the-race/)is aired.

QuoteFormer Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told a conference call of tea party activists on Sunday night that it was the liberal media that forced him out of the 2012 presidential race.

"I am as broken hearted as others about having to pull out," Cain said, "but I couldn't continue to try and run a race when you have a liberal media and others who did not want to see me succeed and to see us succeed — constantly fighting false accusations."

Cain suspended his campaign for president following a series of  news stories about women who accused him of harassment and infidelity dating back to the 1990s.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on December 20, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
1. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
2. Bitch please. What a wuss. My POOR WIDDLE FEEWINGS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on December 20, 2011, 07:42:17 PM
GO NEWT GO! (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/12/what_logic_could_possibly_be_behind_newt_gingrich_s_crazy_attacks_on_the_federal_courts_.html)

QuoteFor a self-confessed epic character, Newt Gingrich has stage-managed himself into an epic piece of political stupidity. With his escalating attacks on the federal judiciary, he has confirmed that, if elected, he would place himself atop a government that simultaneously manages to be both a dictatorship and a theocracy. In recent weeks—and just as his presidential star was improbably rising—he doubled down on his initial claims that the federal courts "have become grotesquely dictatorial and far too powerful," to offer up new promises that, as president, he would abolish federal judgeships, occasionally ignore the Supreme Court, and—in the manner of a tiny tyrant in khaki shirts and mirrored sunglasses—have federal marshals arrest errant federal judges and force them to testify before Congress about their unpopular decisions.

One is tempted to open up a can of lofty rhetorical whoopass to explain why each of these ideas offends the basic constitutional principles of separation of powers, and judicial independence, but really, why? Does anyone even have to explain why Gingrich's plans to construct a federal judiciary out of his own rib, then terrorize it into imposing his constitutional vision on the nation is a staggeringly bad one?


VOTE FOR NEWT: LET THE HOUSE OF CARDS FALL, ALREADY.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 20, 2011, 07:44:04 PM
Actually, this is even more awesome than that.  IOZ explains:

QuoteI love Gingrich. I love his new idea that the President or Congress oughta send the Texas Rangers after judges who issue rulings contrary to their decrees and make em splain themselves. It just doesn't go far enough. I think every institution of government should have its own paramilitary, and every minister should have the power to summon any other minister to splain his ministrations; every decision should be infinitely reviewable by every individual; Joe from Public Works should be able to subpoena John Roberts who will be tied up, metaphorically speaking, with John Boehner, who has to rush to testify before Ethyl in the WalMart greeting line. His totalitarian vision, taken to its own logical end, is the very anarchy we so desire.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on December 20, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
Still, though..

QuoteAlso, if there is a dumber idea than having judges who already issue written opinions being hauled before Congress to explain the very reasoning they have painstakingly rendered in writing, I can't imagine it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on December 20, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
Yes.  There is voting for someone who is aware of this, but is promising to do it anyway.

"Never always go full-retard" should be the official motto of US politics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on December 20, 2011, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
Still, though..

QuoteAlso, if there is a dumber idea than having judges who already issue written opinions being hauled before Congress to explain the very reasoning they have painstakingly rendered in writing, I can't imagine it.

      We need a leader not a reader.
             \
  (http://i41.tinypic.com/2e5la2h.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 01:37:35 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
Still, though..

QuoteAlso, if there is a dumber idea than having judges who already issue written opinions being hauled before Congress to explain the very reasoning they have painstakingly rendered in writing, I can't imagine it.

It occurs to me that being a villain is an obsolete concept.   :sad:

TGRR,
Buggy whip salesman, will travel.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 21, 2011, 03:26:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2011, 01:37:35 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
Still, though..

QuoteAlso, if there is a dumber idea than having judges who already issue written opinions being hauled before Congress to explain the very reasoning they have painstakingly rendered in writing, I can't imagine it.

It occurs to me that being a villain is an obsolete concept.   :sad:

TGRR,
Buggy whip salesman, will travel.

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on December 28, 2011, 01:00:44 PM
Interesting.  Apparently, if you either can't be bothered to meet requirements, or can't get thesupport you need for those requirements, the rules are unconstitutional.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/27/perry-challenges-virginia-ballot-rules/?hpt=hp_bn3

Rick Perry either didn't or couldn't get the signatures to be included on the Virginia primary ballot... so he's filing a lawsuit.  (Gingrich didn't meet the requirements,  either.)

What I'm wondering is...  if he couldn't even get enough signatures to get on the ballot, does he think he has a snowball's chance of winning the state?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 04, 2012, 05:19:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TSxm2V8aVQ&feature=player_embedded

Possible CNN censorship of a soldier who supports Ron Paul.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 04, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
BBC reports Romney beat Santorum by 8 votes.  Paul came third, and Gingrinch/Bachmann trailed even further behind.

Which is actually pretty good news for Romney.  Santorum's a lightweight without national appeal, and Gingrinch is clearly not doing well.  So long as the latter stays down, the former can be easily dealt with.  Paul's not a credible risk either.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 04, 2012, 12:50:21 PM
8 votes.  Sweet merciful fuck.  The fact that Santorum almost won is more evidence for the Malevolent God Theory.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 04, 2012, 01:03:25 PM
Santorum would most definitely lose in an election with Obama in the race, though.  So, if worst came to worst, and the media spazzed out over Santorum like they have every other candidate who isn't Romney, and he seized enough of the New Hampshire vote to come second, which is quite possible (he'd need to grab around half of the undeclared voters there, not impossible with a media blitz), he'd be in a position to pose as the credible conservative alternative to Romney in South Carolina and Florida.

I personally don't think that will happen, because

a) Santorum is a lightweight and cannot handle intense media pressure, and
b) Romney almost certainly has some endorsements he'd held back thus far, and
c) he's unacceptable to most major Republican Party donors and backs, and
d) Newt Gingrinch can be relied on to attack him like the rabid dog he is.  Newt sucks at winning, but he can sure as hell drag someone down with him.

But it's not entirely implausible.

The thing is, I'm kinda interested to see a Romney/Obama race, because the two are pretty similar, and I want to watch "progressives" spazz out and try to find reasons why Mitt Romney is the worst, and he must be defeated in the most important election in history*


*Yes, I have seen the 2012 election referred to that.  Unironically, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 04, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
It would be interesting to see what Romney would do.  I know he'd try to fuck up the healthcare bill, and while he's probably equal in terms of pro-business, he's a tad more blatant about it. 

I think that if he repealed healthcare and lowered taxes, that would be bad for the country, but not a total disaster.  But I'm tired of the morass of status quo, drifting slowly into the toilet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 04, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
Well, Ron Paul's economic plan would pretty much destroy the country. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 04, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
It would be interesting to see what Romney would do.  I know he'd try to fuck up the healthcare bill, and while he's probably equal in terms of pro-business, he's a tad more blatant about it. 

I think that if he repealed healthcare and lowered taxes, that would be bad for the country, but not a total disaster.  But I'm tired of the morass of status quo, drifting slowly into the toilet.

That's not a function of who is in office, LMNO.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 04, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
(http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)

http://jezebel.com/5872967/michele-bachmann-reportedly-to-suspend-campaign-focus-more-on-being-a-jerk-in-congress

BACHMANN'S OUT OF THE RACE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 04, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
(http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)

http://jezebel.com/5872967/michele-bachmann-reportedly-to-suspend-campaign-focus-more-on-being-a-jerk-in-congress

BACHMANN'S OUT OF THE RACE

In other recent news, the Titanic is missing at sea.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 04, 2012, 06:11:26 PM
Perry is about to drop, too.

He's already out 2 states, and only one state has actually had a caucus.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 05, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
A conversation between me and my wife (who is a staunch Democrat):

MrsLMNO: I can't believe this shit about Santorum almost winning Iowa.

Me: Well, if you want Obama to win, you should be rooting for Santorum.  He wouldn't stand a chance in the general election.

MrsLMNO: Here's the thing:  I don't trust Americans.




And my heart goes all a-flutter.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 06, 2012, 02:43:35 AM
I like your wife. :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 06, 2012, 03:41:41 PM
Santorum just flunked out

QuoteIowa runner-up Rick Santorum said Thursday that he would be "a much bigger player" than expected in the New Hampshire primary and denied saying that he didn't want "to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money."

Santorum allegedly made the controversial comments when discussing welfare in an interview Wednesday night with Fox News, but he maintained that people misheard the word "black" when he stumbled on a word.

"I looked at that, and I didn't say that. If you look at it, what I started to say is a word and then sort of changed and it sort of — blah — came out. And people said I said 'black.' I didn't," Santorum said.

You either double-down on the racism, use better dog-whistles or don't go there at all.  Told ya he's a media lightweight.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 06, 2012, 04:30:17 PM
He also got booed off a NH stage about his whole "Gays aren't moral people" bit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 08, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Turns out Romney actually had 18 less votes than previously recorded.  Someone misreported two votes he got in an area as 20, and the Republican Party is sticking by the misreported figure.  So, Santorum actually won Iowa.

Not that it matters, since he's about to get utterly trounced.

Amusing observation: watching Obama supporters and hyperconservative republicans making common ground by declaring that Mitt Romney must be crushed.  If Romney felt like being mischevious, he could use this as "evidence" of outsider status, and pretend to be the noble reformer, looking to take on corrupt elites.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 09, 2012, 03:35:25 PM
It's reminiscent of Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" in 2008 - basically "Republicans for Hillary"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 11, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
Romney storms to victory in New Hampshire, Santorum last seen crying and slitting his wrists somewhere.

QuoteUS Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has taken another stride towards his party's nomination after a solid victory in New Hampshire's primary.

The former Massachusetts governor was home and dry on nearly 40% of the vote, with most results counted.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul was second on about 23% and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman third on almost 17%.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 11, 2012, 11:48:36 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 11, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
Romney storms to victory in New Hampshire, Santorum last seen crying and slitting his wrists somewhere.

QuoteUS Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has taken another stride towards his party's nomination after a solid victory in New Hampshire's primary.

The former Massachusetts governor was home and dry on nearly 40% of the vote, with most results counted.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul was second on about 23% and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman third on almost 17%.

Personally, I find this primary season somewhat refreshing. Remember the last few elections where the Tea Party was playing a controlling interest? Now, they can't seem to get anything to go their way.

Romney, a moderate among the modern GOP is in the lead, with Ron Paul taking second and Huntsman pulling third... the Dominionists seem to have lost a lot of their power. Hell, even Romney's move to the right is obviously a political gambit rather than an actual position.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 11, 2012, 11:56:35 AM
Yeah, seems they're already a spent force.  It's interesting as well that Santorum became the "conservative" vote when it was in fact Perry who was courting the Tea Party the hardest, and Santorum pretty much disagrees with everything they purportedly stand for.

Of course, it ain't over yet.  Still, the hard-right vote is split three ways, so unless Gingrinch or Perry or Santorum bow out (and their egos wont allow that), then Romney hasn't got too much to worry about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on January 11, 2012, 12:21:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 11, 2012, 11:56:35 AM
Yeah, seems they're already a spent force.  It's interesting as well that Santorum became the "conservative" vote when it was in fact Perry who was courting the Tea Party the hardest, and Santorum pretty much disagrees with everything they purportedly stand for.

Of course, it ain't over yet.  Still, the hard-right vote is split three ways, so unless Gingrinch or Perry or Santorum bow out (and their egos wont allow that), then Romney hasn't got too much to worry about.

I recall one conservative guy I knew saying that when things were going well, the religious right got a lot of attention, but when things were really bad, most conservatives voted based on the economy etc.

In NH, even if Newt, Perry and Santorum threw their votes together they'd only hit 20%. Of course NH isn't really home to the extreme nutjobs :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 13, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
Okaaaayyyy...

So, Newt has gone completely xenophopic, comparing Mitt to John Kerry by pointing out they both speak French (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/01/13/_just_like_john_kerry_he_speaks_french_.html)

HOWEVER:  In the above clip, he shows Mitt saying, "laissez les bons temps rouler".  Now, this might seem pedantic, but that isn't really a "French from France" phrase.  It's actually a Cajun phrase in Acadian.

Which makes it a purely 100% American phrase.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 13, 2012, 05:57:17 PM
:link: Non English speakers aren't American.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Vaud on January 13, 2012, 07:29:26 PM
This just in: Stephen Colbert announces run in South Carolina presidential primary.
(http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/01/13/stephen-colbert-announces-run-in-south-carolina-presidential-primary-hands-pac/?test=faces)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 13, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
Quote
"I am proud to announce that I am forming an exploratory committee to lay the groundwork for possible candidacy for president of the United States of America of South Carolina."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/01/13/stephen-colbert-announces-run-in-south-carolina-presidential-primary-hands-pac/?test=faces#ixzz1jMxFn6XR

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 15, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-supporters-threaten-atlanta-family-with-rape-death

A man jokes about pulling a stunt to make Ron Paul supporters look like extremists. Ron Paul supporters counter by threatening to murder his family.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 15, 2012, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 15, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-supporters-threaten-atlanta-family-with-rape-death

A man jokes about pulling a stunt to make Ron Paul supporters look like extremists. Ron Paul supporters counter by threatening to murder his family.

Wow... that's profoundly unfunny, and funny at the same time.

"Don't portray us as extremists or we'll kill you and rape your family!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 15, 2012, 12:58:54 AM
I just posted that link to facebook.

I will be disappointed if no hysterical screeching follows.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 15, 2012, 01:52:03 AM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 15, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-supporters-threaten-atlanta-family-with-rape-death

A man jokes about pulling a stunt to make Ron Paul supporters look like extremists. Ron Paul supporters counter by threatening to murder his family.

Sounds about par for the course.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on January 15, 2012, 03:00:09 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 15, 2012, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: Prince Glittersnatch III on January 15, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/ron-paul-supporters-threaten-atlanta-family-with-rape-death

A man jokes about pulling a stunt to make Ron Paul supporters look like extremists. Ron Paul supporters counter by threatening to murder his family.

Wow... that's profoundly unfunny, and funny at the same time.

"Don't portray us as extremists or we'll kill you and rape your family!"

Sad thing is, even though it's on the internet, I'm actually thinking some of them maybe that crazy
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on January 17, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Has anyone else seen this?  :lulz:

http://www.revolvermag.com/news/30896.html (http://www.revolvermag.com/news/30896.html)

Quote"Thats right, ME. David Randall Blythe. Ol' D. Randall. Uncle Randy. Wassisname, that dude from that one band that got drunk and fought in a skirt. I love the USA like a nerd loves D&D, I am thoroughly disgusted with the state of affairs, and I am ready, willing, and able to FUCK SHIT UP without a micro-second's hesitation in order to fix what ails this country. All you have to do is elect me as the next President of the United States of America and I'll handle the rest."


And a link to his blog....

http://randonesia.tumblr.com/post/15251001685/i-want-to-be-the-big-cheese (http://randonesia.tumblr.com/post/15251001685/i-want-to-be-the-big-cheese)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Sounds like the man for the job to me. Shit, If he ran for PM here, I'd vote for him, and I've never voted for anyone in my life.

eta: Then again, I probably wouldn't.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Sounds like the man for the job to me. Shit, If he ran for PM here, I'd vote for him, and I've never voted for anyone in my life.

eta: Then again, I probably wouldn't.

You aren't allowed to vote.  You're an anarchist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Sounds like the man for the job to me. Shit, If he ran for PM here, I'd vote for him, and I've never voted for anyone in my life.

eta: Then again, I probably wouldn't.

You aren't allowed to vote.  You're an anarchist.
Hence the late edit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Sounds like the man for the job to me. Shit, If he ran for PM here, I'd vote for him, and I've never voted for anyone in my life.

eta: Then again, I probably wouldn't.

You aren't allowed to vote.  You're an anarchist.
Hence the late edit.

An anarchist voting is like an American turning down a second helping.  It spoils the whole image.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 17, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
Huntsman dropped out, endorsed Romney.  No-one cared.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Sounds like the man for the job to me. Shit, If he ran for PM here, I'd vote for him, and I've never voted for anyone in my life.

eta: Then again, I probably wouldn't.

You aren't allowed to vote.  You're an anarchist.
Hence the late edit.

An anarchist voting is like an American turning down a second helping.  It spoils the whole image.
It does. But Anarchists aren't supposed to give a fuck about image, so it might be considered edgy . . . . . . . nah, still doesn't work.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
But Anarchists aren't supposed to give a fuck about image

You need to nip around to 4th and Congress here in Tucson, and educate the youngsters.  Just saying.

TGRR,
Thinks you'll need one of those flat baseball bats you guys have.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:51:18 PM
I suspect Santorum's name will be remembered long after any of the  other candidates. So in a way, he's already achieved some kind of  . . . . . . . . .victory?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 17, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
Oh man, I just had an amazing thought: Yorkshiremen in flatcaps would ruin the American political system.  Well, the flatcaps are not necessary, but the Yorkshire bit certainly is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
But Anarchists aren't supposed to give a fuck about image

You need to nip around to 4th and Congress here in Tucson, and educate the youngsters.  Just saying.

TGRR,
Thinks you'll need one of those flat baseball bats you guys have.
All the best ones are busy getting trounced by Pakistan.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 17, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
Oh man, I just had an amazing thought: Yorkshiremen in flatcaps would ruin the American political system.  Well, the flatcaps are not necessary, but the Yorkshire bit certainly is.
I think the flat caps are necessary. And they'll all have to keep whippets, and pigeons
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 17, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
You may have a point.  20 of them would royally the entire House of Representatives.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
We could send them Kinnock . . . .  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 17, 2012, 10:07:40 PM
You may have a point.  20 of them would royally the entire House of Representatives.

I have to buy a flat cap, now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
  . . . . . . and Scargill! (i know, to make up for Kinnock being Welsh)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
  . . . . . . and Scargill! (i know, to make up for Kinnock being Welsh)

Wossat?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 17, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 17, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
  . . . . . . and Scargill! (i know, to make up for Kinnock being Welsh)

Wossat?
Nothing. Honest. . .
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 18, 2012, 01:16:13 AM
The English truly are a strange people. I didn't understand any of that other than something about insects, dogs and hats.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 18, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

People from Yorkshire, traditionally, have very low tolerance for bullshit.  Combine with the stubborness of a mule, and the sort of down-to-earthness that would look like a parody coming from anywhere else, they're the kind of people that take no prisoners in a high-bullshit environment (like politics).

My English half of the family are from Yorkshire, so I may be a bit biased.

Plus flatcaps and whippets are awesome.  In my ideal world, all of England would be like Yorkshire (especially when it comes to the food, ferret-legging and sword dancing).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 18, 2012, 08:33:28 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

People from Yorkshire, traditionally, have very low tolerance for bullshit.  Combine with the stubborness of a mule, and the sort of down-to-earthness that would look like a parody coming from anywhere else, they're the kind of people that take no prisoners in a high-bullshit environment (like politics).

My English half of the family are from Yorkshire, so I may be a bit biased.

Plus flatcaps and whippets are awesome.  In my ideal world, all of England would be like Yorkshire (especially when it comes to the food, ferret-legging and sword dancing).

They would ruint our politics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 18, 2012, 08:35:16 AM
Im guessing that ferret legging is exactly what i think it is- a bunch of insane englishmen get together and put angry ferrets in their trousers for an absurd test of endurance.

Twid
heard tell of an irish sport involving grabbing each other by the lapels and kicking each other in the shins with steel toed boots until someone surrenders
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 18, 2012, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 18, 2012, 08:35:16 AM
Im guessing that ferret legging is exactly what i think it is- a bunch of insane englishmen get together and put angry ferrets in their trousers for an absurd test of endurance.

Twid
heard tell of an irish sport involving grabbing each other by the lapels and kicking each other in the shins with steel toed boots until someone surrenders

Ahhh purring and ferret legging. The weird ways you islanders find to test your mettle.

And the world needs more flatcaps. I love mine.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 18, 2012, 08:40:47 AM
Lol coyote- what ever happened to just drinking your balls off?

Oh wait. Were talking about britain and ireland.... Thats not a test of endurance so much as an average wednesday night.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 18, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

People from Yorkshire, traditionally, have very low tolerance for bullshit.  Combine with the stubborness of a mule, and the sort of down-to-earthness that would look like a parody coming from anywhere else, they're the kind of people that take no prisoners in a high-bullshit environment (like politics).

My English half of the family are from Yorkshire, so I may be a bit biased.

Plus flatcaps and whippets are awesome.  In my ideal world, all of England would be like Yorkshire (especially when it comes to the food, ferret-legging and sword dancing).

So, basically it's England's Maine?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on January 18, 2012, 02:03:58 PM
Sounds like it. 

Also, I'm calling this, and if someone already did, well, fuck you!

Romney/Christie 2012. 

Christie was recently interviewed and said he wouldn't rule out a VP run.

So it's going to be Mitt and the Fat man vs. The Smiler and Some-Clever-Nickname-for-Biden-I-Can't-Think-of-right-now. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 18, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 18, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

People from Yorkshire, traditionally, have very low tolerance for bullshit.  Combine with the stubborness of a mule, and the sort of down-to-earthness that would look like a parody coming from anywhere else, they're the kind of people that take no prisoners in a high-bullshit environment (like politics).

My English half of the family are from Yorkshire, so I may be a bit biased.

Plus flatcaps and whippets are awesome.  In my ideal world, all of England would be like Yorkshire (especially when it comes to the food, ferret-legging and sword dancing).

So, basically it's England's Maine?

Very much so.  Also a bit like Texas or New York, in that people from Yorkshire tend to identify with Yorkshire well before they identify as being English or whatever.  Of course, that is a sentiment I can get behind anyway, not being keen to identify as English myself.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 18, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: RWHN on January 18, 2012, 02:03:58 PM
Sounds like it. 

Also, I'm calling this, and if someone already did, well, fuck you!

Romney/Christie 2012. 

Christie was recently interviewed and said he wouldn't rule out a VP run.

So it's going to be Mitt and the Fat man vs. The Smiler and Some-Clever-Nickname-for-Biden-I-Can't-Think-of-right-now. 

I dunno, I think Romney might pick a VP from the pool of religious-right wingnuts in an attempt to placate that side of the party.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on January 18, 2012, 02:14:21 PM
I don't think he needs to do that though.  Once he is in the general, he's golden and needs, I think, to win the middle.  I think the right's hatred for Obama will be enough to get them into the voting booth.  They aren't going to be thrilled at having to vote for Romney, but they want to get that Evil Socialist out of office like there is no tomorrow.  Plus, Christie has that tough-guy, no-nonsense persona that I think Conservatives will be drawn to. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 18, 2012, 02:18:08 PM
I mean, if I were Romney that's who I'd go with, but that's putting alot of faith in the GOP to act rationally. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on January 18, 2012, 02:29:24 PM
A debate between Christie and Biden would be interesting to watch.  A lot more interesting than the debate between Romney and Obama. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 19, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
Oh, no doubt. Any debate where one of the participants is named "Joe Biden" is likely to be worth watching.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 18, 2012, 02:00:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 18, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Yorkshire

People from Yorkshire, traditionally, have very low tolerance for bullshit.  Combine with the stubborness of a mule, and the sort of down-to-earthness that would look like a parody coming from anywhere else, they're the kind of people that take no prisoners in a high-bullshit environment (like politics).

My English half of the family are from Yorkshire, so I may be a bit biased.

Plus flatcaps and whippets are awesome.  In my ideal world, all of England would be like Yorkshire (especially when it comes to the food, ferret-legging and sword dancing).
So, basically it's England's Maine?

Very much so.  Also a bit like Texas or New York, in that people from Yorkshire tend to identify with Yorkshire well before they identify as being English or whatever.  Of course, that is a sentiment I can get behind anyway, not being keen to identify as English myself.
Yorkshire's secret weapon is it's accent. It's the most sensible sounding accent we've got really. It's different in that when you hear it, you don't immediately want to

A/ Mock it for sounding regional. It transcends region.
B/ Check your pockets,
C/ Loose the Mastiffs.
It's Sensible. Matter of fact. Reeking of Olde Worlde Honesty, and Yorkshire Pudding.
No Bullshit from Yorkshire, it's all sheep country up there. (And honest broadband)
Shame it's no longer suitable for Miners.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 19, 2012, 09:38:10 AM
True.  My grandfather was a Yorkshire miner, in fact.  Long retired by the time of Scargill and all, he worked in West Africa instead, showing them how to set charges properly and berating them for not being able to make a proper cup of tea whatsoever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on January 19, 2012, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 18, 2012, 01:16:13 AM
The English truly are a strange people. I didn't understand any of that other than something about insects, dogs and hats.

I get exactly the same when I see you speaking in acronyms ;-)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 19, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
What do you want us to do, have one word thats 25 letters long and begins with ge and ends with er like what all you other germanic languages do? Nah. Our way is quicker and looks less scary.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 19, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
What do you want us to do, have one word thats 25 letters long and begins with ge and ends with er like what all you other germanic languages do? Nah. Our way is quicker and looks less scary.
Then you'd need nearly a whole alphabet per word, and that's just showing off. Or Welsh.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 19, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
The difference being that dutch unlike welsh has too many vowels isnt that right triijppel zeeroo?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 19, 2012, 02:55:31 PM
The difference being that dutch unlike welsh has too many vowels isnt that right triijppel zeeroo?
Welsh only has one vowel. Y.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 02:57:33 PM
And half an "E".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 19, 2012, 02:58:13 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 19, 2012, 03:00:02 PM
Only the welsh could take the sound of stiffling a cough because you might also puke -gwlch- into something meaningful to them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
We didn't tell them about vowels when we civilised 'em. Just for the crack.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Back on topic, I think Gop is actually a Welsh verb. Or a noun. As in "Dai, I saw your sister Myfynwy's mate, Dylwynnch at the Bunch of Leeks Saturday night, and she was gopping"

No idea what it means though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Back on topic, I think Gop is actually a Welsh verb. Or a noun. As in "Dai, I saw your sister Myfynwy's mate, Dylwynnch at the Bunch of Leeks Saturday night, and she was gopping"

No idea what it means though.

I think it means her back tits were showing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 20, 2012, 12:25:22 AM
Perry fails out, endorses Gingrinch.  At the same time, Marianne Gingrinch decides to tell the press about how her husband wanted an open marriage before he divorced her.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 20, 2012, 01:24:38 AM
And in a most timely fashion, as it's driven Romney's tax bracket mostly out of the news cycle.

What a fortuitous coincidence.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:34:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 19, 2012, 04:05:25 PM
Back on topic, I think Gop is actually a Welsh verb. Or a noun. As in "Dai, I saw your sister Myfynwy's mate, Dylwynnch at the Bunch of Leeks Saturday night, and she was gopping"

No idea what it means though.

I think it means her back tits were showing.
Showing? They were flapping about in the breeze like a pair of batwings!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:37:27 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 20, 2012, 01:24:38 AM
And in a most timely fashion, as it's driven Romney's tax bracket mostly out of the news cycle.

What a fortuitous coincidence.
When someone proposes certain Tax concessions to the electorate, in order to secure votes, do they have any major legal obligation to actually honour their promises? I know they never do here, but in America, do they get pushed through?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:38:29 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 20, 2012, 12:25:22 AM
Perry fails out, endorses Gingrinch.  At the same time, Marianne Gingrinch decides to tell the press about how her husband wanted an open marriage before he divorced her.
That will just win him all the floating male voters.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 20, 2012, 05:22:14 AM
Quote from: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 04:37:27 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 20, 2012, 01:24:38 AM
And in a most timely fashion, as it's driven Romney's tax bracket mostly out of the news cycle.

What a fortuitous coincidence.
When someone proposes certain Tax concessions to the electorate, in order to secure votes, do they have any major legal obligation to actually honour their promises? I know they never do here, but in America, do they get pushed through?

If politicians had a legal obligation to honor ANY of their promises, we wouldn't have any politicians.

But I was talking about the recent news that Romney thinks that he pays income tax in the 15% bracket, which is lower than most middle-class americans. This was framed as a gaffe by him and a potential point of attack for his GOP competitors.

Of course, hardly anybody ever brings up the point that most of Romney's money comes from capital gains, so his actual earned income may very well not be all that much especially if he's got a good accountant.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 20, 2012, 06:21:04 AM
Blair eared 12.5 Million last year, and payed £334,000 in Taxes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 20, 2012, 08:10:16 AM
Yes.  Watching the rest of the contenders try to go "we are the 99%" in response to Romney was pretty funny.  The Democratic partisans too are hoping they can tie Romney with the negative connotations of the financial industry and so sink his chances.

The playbook seems pretty clear.  Romney is an out of touch, arrogant elitist (well, yeah), whereas Barack Obama is a down to earth Man of the People (uh, not especially).  Romney is a parasite, a leech on the financial well-being of America (again, yeah), but Barack Obama was a community organiser (which is an entirely different kind of leech).

Hopefully, a good number of people will realise, to use OWS parlance, this is a 1% power-play, that the choices will be between a Wall Street friendly militarist and a Wall Street friendly militarist who has a tendency to flip-flop.  Probably not a majority, but more than last time around, when Hope!, and Change! filled the air.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 21, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
Can we have George Romney (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/what-mitt-romney-learned-from-his-dad-20120117) run for president instead?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Pope Pixie Pickle on January 21, 2012, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
Can we have George Romney (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/what-mitt-romney-learned-from-his-dad-20120117) run for president instead?

Sigh. It would be amazing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 21, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2012, 11:18:57 AM
Can we have George Romney (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/what-mitt-romney-learned-from-his-dad-20120117) run for president instead?

That was a really interesting article. I have questions about the end bit where he states that Mitt Romney is a staunch fiscal conservative, though; hardcore conservatives hate him for not being fiscally conservative enough, particularly because he has historically opposed the Bush tax cuts and is even more opposed to a flat tax as a "tax cut for fat cats".

Unfortunately, though, I don't think there is a single serious candidate who doesn't ultimately support the status quo of the plutocracy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 21, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Yeah, I mean, "reckless tax cuts" doesn't fit my definition of fiscal conservatism, but my definition and the socially-agreed upon definition of what constitutes a sober and cautious fiscal policy are quite different beasts.

I suspect though the author meant he can be generally relied upon to carry out the agenda of Wall Street, aka the plutocracy, since of course he identifies quite strongly with the financial sector.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Looks like a Gingrinch win in South Carolina.

For reference, every nominee since 1980 who has run for President on the Republican ticket has won South Carolina.

So, in short, another law of political science is about to be broken.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on January 22, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Looks like a Gingrinch win in South Carolina.

For reference, every nominee since 1980 who has run for President on the Republican ticket has won South Carolina.

So, in short, another law of political science is about to be broken.
Interesting.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 22, 2012, 02:03:18 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Yeah, I mean, "reckless tax cuts" doesn't fit my definition of fiscal conservatism, but my definition and the socially-agreed upon definition of what constitutes a sober and cautious fiscal policy are quite different beasts.

I suspect though the author meant he can be generally relied upon to carry out the agenda of Wall Street, aka the plutocracy, since of course he identifies quite strongly with the financial sector.

That's what I'm saying though; Romney's actual track record is of opposing reckless tax cuts, and of going after corporations that were suspected of using tax shelters. Among other things, like being pro-gay-marriage and pro-choice. So, clearly, we have a man who is willing to say absolutely anything to get elected.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 22, 2012, 04:02:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 22, 2012, 02:03:18 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 21, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Yeah, I mean, "reckless tax cuts" doesn't fit my definition of fiscal conservatism, but my definition and the socially-agreed upon definition of what constitutes a sober and cautious fiscal policy are quite different beasts.

I suspect though the author meant he can be generally relied upon to carry out the agenda of Wall Street, aka the plutocracy, since of course he identifies quite strongly with the financial sector.

That's what I'm saying though; Romney's actual track record is of opposing reckless tax cuts, and of going after corporations that were suspected of using tax shelters. Among other things, like being pro-gay-marriage and pro-choice. So, clearly, we have a man who is willing to say absolutely anything to get elected.  :lol:

I gotta say, as someone who's lived under Romney, he did actually support Youth Pride Boston.


ETA: Info redacted because I'm not sure it was meant to be known.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 22, 2012, 04:09:56 AM
PM me if you want the redacted info. Just don't mention it anywhere.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2012, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 22, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Looks like a Gingrinch win in South Carolina.

For reference, every nominee since 1980 who has run for President on the Republican ticket has won South Carolina.

So, in short, another law of political science is about to be broken.
Interesting.

South Carolina is essentially Teabagger Mecca.  You know how there was a hardcore of 27 per cent of the country who still supported Bush, even as late as October 2008?  Well, that's where you could find a lot of them.  Not to mention SC's prominence as a centre of Neo-Confederate screeds and white victimhood, to such a degree it should be considered one of the state's main exports.

Romney is far too slick and East Coast elitist for them.  Well, so is Gingrinch too, really, but he speaks hatred of Federal Government better, something of an irony given his long experience in government, much longer than Mittens.

So, this means Santorum is out, he just doesn't know it yet.  It's going to be trench warfare between Mittens and Open Marriage for the nomination.  Gingrinch doesn't have the political backing from the party elite, who hate his guts, but the Republican nomination system is far more democratic than the Democratic one (ironically) and so public opinion plays a far greater role in selection, whereas in the Democratic primaries, a super-delegate coup can always bypass the grassroots of the party should it need to (and while it rarely does, the potential for it makes candidates far more willing to suck up to said super-delegates).

Republican elites have to rely on more indirect tactics, such as attack ads, endorsements, political gossip journos and Making Shit Up.  While this will probably ultimately prove effective, it's still hilarious that a thrice-married adulterer is possibly going to be the family values candidate for President.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on January 22, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2012, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 22, 2012, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2012, 01:16:53 AM
Looks like a Gingrinch win in South Carolina.

For reference, every nominee since 1980 who has run for President on the Republican ticket has won South Carolina.

So, in short, another law of political science is about to be broken.
Interesting.

South Carolina is essentially Teabagger Mecca.  You know how there was a hardcore of 27 per cent of the country who still supported Bush, even as late as October 2008?  Well, that's where you could find a lot of them.  Not to mention SC's prominence as a centre of Neo-Confederate screeds and white victimhood, to such a degree it should be considered one of the state's main exports.

Romney is far too slick and East Coast elitist for them.  Well, so is Gingrinch too, really, but he speaks hatred of Federal Government better, something of an irony given his long experience in government, much longer than Mittens.

So, this means Santorum is out, he just doesn't know it yet.  It's going to be trench warfare between Mittens and Open Marriage for the nomination.  Gingrinch doesn't have the political backing from the party elite, who hate his guts, but the Republican nomination system is far more democratic than the Democratic one (ironically) and so public opinion plays a far greater role in selection, whereas in the Democratic primaries, a super-delegate coup can always bypass the grassroots of the party should it need to (and while it rarely does, the potential for it makes candidates far more willing to suck up to said super-delegates).

Republican elites have to rely on more indirect tactics, such as attack ads, endorsements, political gossip journos and Making Shit Up.  While this will probably ultimately prove effective, it's still hilarious that a thrice-married adulterer is possibly going to be the family values candidate for President.
I'm not surprised by the fact that Gingrich won SC, but i didn't know that about the winner going on the clinch the nomination for the GOP ticket.

Thanks for the rest of the insight, as well. I think it will be interesting going forward. This makes me love living in a state with open primaries.  :lulz:
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Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2012, 12:01:46 AM
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Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 23, 2012, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 23, 2012, 12:01:46 AM
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We need an emote for perfect.

Or you need to tell me what the existing one is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Golden Applesauce on January 23, 2012, 03:57:48 AM
It used to be :mittens:, but I think people have realized how overused it was.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2012, 04:01:52 AM
I still like mittens.  :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
A cogent psychological insight into Newt

http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/newt-in-south-carolina-keep-pushing/

QuoteNewt's many faults are discussed everywhere.

So it's impressive how little people get Newt. Even while talking about him ad nauseum.

Newt's actually a chemist, of a sort. His favored (and necessary) efforts are to turn politics into their most gaseous state, that is to say radicalized and unpredictable. Amorphous. In this sense he truly is the anti-Romney and vice versa.

As a chemist, Newton Leroy Gingrich's accelerant always is expediency. Look at the major events of his life. Expediency defines him from his first divorce through his calamitous years as Speaker to now running against LBOs and runaway judges. (An old acquaintance helped write that 52 page whackadoodle thing; if our experience writing for Newt is any guide he skimmed the intro then scrawled "Good effort, keep pushing. Newt.")

The Nihilism Of Action

"Keep pushing". That drive to impart motion to politics is vital to his appeal and limitations. Newt is immersed in the Movement but not really part of it. Newt's never even been a conservative. We don't mean like recent (duh) denunciations by NRO, Santorum, etc. Newt's on the Right because it's expedient – they were and remain more pliable to his politics of expedient radicalism.

"Keep pushing" (we have that across our own papers somewhere, too). When politics are radicalized, when consensus boundaries and expectations are shattered, Newt finds his natural environment. He's free. Whether you were for Paul Ryan's budget or against it details for little minds. Nor whether you bashed a plutocrat for LBOs. Use a cable debate host like rag doll to mop the floor with a false narrative? All yesterday's used tissues. "Keep pushing."

Here's a story. Republicans had just taken over the House. All of DC was in shock. Newt's myth that he, Haley and the Contract had anything to do it another expedient fib. It was a last minute photo opp that gathered little attention. A famous pollster later got sanctioned by his professional association for claiming he did polling showing voters even knew about the Contract (trust us, we were there).

Still, Newt was Speaker. And it was a sweet ride for those tagging along. The Washington Post reporter covering X affairs called. He asked did the Speaker-elect really mean he would abolish X Department/Agency? Jack, then on Newt's staff, passed the call to the Stiftung.

The Stiftung had no idea. There hadn't even been a meeting on the subject. So we pulled a number out of thin air and said "Z function could be done by 28 people." (28 sounded better than something round like 100). We laughed hanging up the phone.

And so across the WaPo the next day was "Gingrich Proposes Radical Slashing X to 28 people." Newt was delighted. He didn't care about the details. The *atmosphere* of radicalism is what he craved, keeping everyone off balance, preserving final options for him alone. Newt used to keep pestering Jack Reed, then the new Chair of the House Commerce Committee (it hadn't been split by Tauzin's ego yet). "Jack, of course we're going to abolish the Commerce Department, and Education. So pick your own trophy. What ex-Department do you want over your fireplace?" (True quotes).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 23, 2012, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: Nigel on January 23, 2012, 12:01:46 AM
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:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 23, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 23, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
A cogent psychological insight into Newt

http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/newt-in-south-carolina-keep-pushing/


Pushy, expedient radicalism. That really does fit quite well, even down to his tone of voice.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 23, 2012, 11:02:54 AM
Important information regarding Mitt Romney's penis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=kao-EzPmW0k&noredirect=1
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2012, 11:12:32 AM
I like the way the C-SPAN presenters are almost freaking out when they hear it, whereas the politicians are just like "well, you know, that's a good question".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 23, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
whaaaaaaaaat


In the 'what were they thinking' dept: Rick Santorum launches C.U.M.

(http://static1.firedoglake.com/48/files/2012/01/cum.jpg)

This comes from the land of "you can't make this sh*t up." GOP Clown Car occupant, ace homophobe and bearer of a redefined surname that has become a giant political problem for him on Google, Rick Santorum is not doing himself any more favors by launching the Conservatives United Moneybomb, or C.U.M. for shorthand.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 23, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
:lulz: I love this man.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on January 23, 2012, 08:40:48 PM
whaaaaaaaaat


In the 'what were they thinking' dept: Rick Santorum launches C.U.M.

(http://static1.firedoglake.com/48/files/2012/01/cum.jpg)

This comes from the land of "you can't make this sh*t up." GOP Clown Car occupant, ace homophobe and bearer of a redefined surname that has become a giant political problem for him on Google, Rick Santorum is not doing himself any more favors by launching the Conservatives United Moneybomb, or C.U.M. for shorthand.

WHAAAAAAAAT

:lulz:

How could that... just... OH WOW.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on January 23, 2012, 09:06:46 PM
Filthy minds!  Clearly he is just signaling his love for the heavy metal band Quiet Riot. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2012, 09:24:33 PM
Can it be... Santorum actually has a sense of humour?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 23, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 23, 2012, 09:24:33 PM
Can it be... Santorum actually has a sense of humour?

I really can't even imagine that happening.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: sotesla4 on January 23, 2012, 11:54:47 PM
ricksantorum.com/unite/

My god... it's real. Holy fuckin' wowzers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2012, 11:57:44 PM
Quote from: Nigel on January 23, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 23, 2012, 09:24:33 PM
Can it be... Santorum actually has a sense of humour?

I really can't even imagine that happening.

It's either that, or he's hired the same guy responsible for Rick Perry's Brokeback Mountain look while ranting about Teh Gheys for his fund-raising.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 24, 2012, 12:08:10 AM
I'm starting to think there IS a fabulous homosexual conspiracy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2012, 12:11:19 AM
Santorum: when life gives you rape, make rapenade!

No, seriously

QuoteI've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: sotesla4 on January 24, 2012, 12:13:31 AM
Rape is God's way of reminding women their place in in the home
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2012, 12:16:39 AM
Not accepting God's rape-delivered gift makes you a hateful and ungrateful bitch.  True story.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 24, 2012, 01:25:01 AM
God shows his love for the single and childless women by sending his angels to gives them the gift of children.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 24, 2012, 03:05:59 AM
Wowwwwwww.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 24, 2012, 03:22:16 AM
WHAT THE FUCK
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
Here's the full quote, in context

QuoteLast Friday, CNN's Piers Morgan asked Santorum to clarify his reasoning behind such a callous position. Insisting that "it's not a matter of religious values," Santorum explained that sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way" and that, when it comes down to it, a victim just has "to make the best out of a bad situation":

SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn't have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn't, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2012, 08:29:30 AM
Also, urgh.  Piers Morgan and Santorum in a room, together.

I don't know what you guys see in Piers Morgan.  Apart from a British accent, of course.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on January 24, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2012, 08:28:21 AM
Here's the full quote, in context

QuoteLast Friday, CNN's Piers Morgan asked Santorum to clarify his reasoning behind such a callous position. Insisting that "it's not a matter of religious values," Santorum explained that sexual assault victims should "accept this horribly created" pregnancy because it is "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way" and that, when it comes down to it, a victim just has "to make the best out of a bad situation":

SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn't have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn't, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.

Fucking hell.  We need to bring back tarring and feathering.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 24, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2012, 08:29:30 AM
Also, urgh.  Piers Morgan and Santorum in a room, together.

I don't know what you guys see in Piers Morgan.  Apart from a British accent, of course.

And on top of all that, he's an Arsenal fan.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 24, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
I didn't realize there still were any of those.

But hey, I guess some people dig Europa League soccer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 24, 2012, 02:49:28 PM
I refuse to believe Piers Morgan has ever attended a football game in his life.  And if he did, he spent the whole 90 minutes sneering.

(fun project for those with the time: look up clips of Piers Morgan on Have I Got News For You, when he threatens to send photographers around to Iain Hislop's house for mocking Piers' precious ego).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on January 24, 2012, 03:14:12 PM
Heh.  In last Sunday's Manchester United/Arsenal match, Fox Sports has Piers on as a commentator, and he was all "go Arsenal", and he got really pissed off at how badly they played.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Scribbly on January 24, 2012, 03:18:25 PM
I was really annoyed recently about how easily the UK government has been rolling over in deporting british citizens to america on dubious grounds.

Then I found out we seem to have exported Piers Morgan.

Seems like a fair trade.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BadBeast on January 24, 2012, 05:44:48 PM
Piers Morgan at the Football has as much credibility as tits on a kipper. So naturally, he picked a Team to reflect this. The Gunnars, as they call themselves, or "The Arse" as everyone else calls them, are even managed by a bloke called "Arse" so it's no surprise to see an arsehole like Morgan claiming association, is it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 24, 2012, 05:52:17 PM
Tits on a kipper. I like that expression.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Placid Dingo on January 25, 2012, 09:43:13 AM
I dont recall this but I seem to have signed up for the Newt Gringrich email. So here's his spin.

Carolina Primary.

We did what the establishment said could not be done and we put our campaign on a path to winning the Republican nomination. We won because people are sick of and tired of the national establishment telling them what they are allowed to think and believe, and you saw that Saturday night.

I believe that we will defeat Barack Obama in the general election, and put America back on track toward strength and prosperity. But we need your help to get there. Will you join us?

Today, our campaign turns to the crucial primary state of Florida. The race is between a clear establishment moderate in Mitt Romney and a clear Reagan conservative with a record going all the way back to the 1970s. It's a stark contrast. Make no mistake, this is a battle between the conservative grassroots and the moderate establishment for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.

Conservatives are ready for somebody who will go to Washington and speak for them, not somebody who speaks on behalf of the establishment. The establishment is right to be worried about a Gingrich nomination because a Gingrich nomination means that we're going to change things, we're going to make them very uncomfortable and we're going to demand real change in Washington.

Going forward, there is only one important question for conservatives to ask themselves: Who is the best candidate to defeat Barack Obama? I believe that a second term for Barack Obama will be a disaster for this country and I am committed to beating him. I think I've proven I could take him on in a series of debates and undo his billion-dollar campaign. It's very important that we have a candidate who's strong enough, and tough enough to be able to take on President Obama in a series of debates.

There is no longer any doubt that we can win the GOP nomination. The other candidates are good men whom I deeply respect, but it is time for conservatives to come together and unite behind one authentic, Reagan conservative who can win.

As I write this, Barack Obama and the Democrats are raising thousands of dollars per hour, waiting for a Republican nominee to emerge. He's a radical, secular socialist who wants to reinvent America in the image of the faded, decrepit Republics of Western Europe.

If I become the nominee, I will hold President Obama accountable. I will defeat him in the debates and show the American people that there is a better, more conservative direction.

This is not just a Presidential campaign. It's a battle for the future of this country. That's why I will immediately challenge President Obama to a series of three hour Lincoln-Douglas style debates, and make him defend the passage of ObamaCare, 15 trillion dollars in debt, and out of control unemployment. I'll even let him use his teleprompter!

But I can't do that without your help.

Florida is only one week away, and the Romney campaign is already going back to their old ways of negative attack ads to try and tear us down. We can't let that happen again. We must raise the necessary resources in the next 48 hours to fund our television campaign for Florida so that I can tell the truth to the American people.

Will you donate now and help us fight back?

To paraphrase President Reagan, "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose your job, and a recovery will be when Obama loses his job."

Your contribution and support will put us over the top in Florida and our nation one step closer putting a conservative in the White House.

Lets be bold.

For America,

Speaker Newt Gingrich
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Post by: Cain on January 25, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
lolz, Euro-bashing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Scribbly on January 25, 2012, 10:08:51 AM
I like the implication that only Obama is going to have huge sums of money behind him.

We all know about those poor, impoverished Republicans, right?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 25, 2012, 12:44:49 PM
Obama is a Big Money Socialist backed by the Homosexual Islamofascist Menace (yes, I have seen both of these points seriously argued.  By actual people, with brains and everything).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 25, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2012, 12:44:49 PM
Obama is a Big Money Socialist backed by the Homosexual Islamofascist Menace (yes, I have seen both of these points seriously argued.  By actual people, with brains and everything).

... big money socialist.

That makes my head hurt.

So does homosexual Islamofascist....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 25, 2012, 01:09:34 PM
Well, Obama is backed by Soros, who is a progressive, which is as we know is a code-word for "Stalinist"...

And, apparently, according to my top sources on insane conservative blogs, the Muslim Brotherhood are really into buttsex.  Like, really into it.  As we all know, Allah is cool with the chocolate pipeline surfing, so this makes perfect sense
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 25, 2012, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2012, 01:09:34 PM
Well, Obama is backed by Soros, who is a progressive, which is as we know is a code-word for "Stalinist"...

And, apparently, according to my top sources on insane conservative blogs, the Muslim Brotherhood are really into buttsex.  Like, really into it.  As we all know, Allah is cool with the chocolate pipeline surfing, so this makes perfect sense


What, like how televangelists are really into picking up men in public restrooms?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on January 25, 2012, 10:21:36 PM
...three hour Lincoln-Douglas style debates...
:lulz: I WOULD WATCH THE SHIT OUT OF THIS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 25, 2012, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2012, 01:09:34 PM
Well, Obama is backed by Soros, who is a progressive, which is as we know is a code-word for "Stalinist"...

And, apparently, according to my top sources on insane conservative blogs, the Muslim Brotherhood are really into buttsex.  Like, really into it.  As we all know, Allah is cool with the chocolate pipeline surfing, so this makes perfect sense

That was a rather common topic of conversation while I was deployed. Everyone knew the locals were into the mansex.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
You were deployed in Iraq, right?

In Afghanistan, I can actually believe it.  Nothing the Pashtun warlords are more willing to fight over than a pliable 13 year old boy.  However, the local equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Deobandi sect, eventually spawned the Taliban, did frown upon such things, and then collapsed a wall on top of the guilty parties, as is supposedly the traditional punishment for non-hetro buttsex in those parts.  Not that it stopped the practice, but it did stop warlords from demolishing large parts of Kabul in their fights over the pliable young boy trade, which is Progress.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:23:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
and then collapsed a wall on top of the guilty parties, as is supposedly the traditional punishment for non-hetro buttsex in those parts. 

wat

Those guys are NUTS.  Best execution EVER.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:31:00 AM
It was definitely an execution for something, and I think it was homosexuality.

You do wonder about the precise arrangements though.  The Taliban were big into public executuion, pour encourager les austres and all that, so did they build a wall in the middle of the sports stadium in Kabul, where they tended to kill people for their heinous, kite-flying and foreign music listening ways?  Or did they just find one which wasn't being used, and topple that on them?  Given Kabul was mostly rubble at this point, finding a standing wall was likely not easy, and they almost certainly were a valuable local commodoty.  Dexter Filikins, who was in Kabul in 1998, did not go into these kind of details.

I think he did mention he checked a Koran and found no actual mention of such a punishment, and so the Taliban were making shit up again, but I'm not totally sure on that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:32:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:31:00 AM
It was definitely an execution for something, and I think it was homosexuality.

You do wonder about the precise arrangements though.  The Taliban were big into public executuion, pour encourager les austres and all that, so did they build a wall in the middle of the sports stadium in Kabul, where they tended to kill people for their heinous, kite-flying and foreign music listening ways?  Or did they just find one which wasn't being used, and topple that on them?  Given Kabul was mostly rubble at this point, finding a standing wall was likely not easy, and they almost certainly were a valuable local commodoty.  Dexter Filikins, who was in Kabul in 1998, did not go into these kind of details.

I think he did mention he checked a Koran and found no actual mention of such a punishment, and so the Taliban were making shit up again, but I'm not totally sure on that.

Probably.  But hot damn, they're the best evil guys ever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
They certainly make it easy to hate them, don't they?

Filikins' The Forever War, where I got this from, is one of the best books on the war on terror as well.  Not from the political angle, but the sheer waste of life and insanity of it all angle.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
They certainly make it easy to hate them, don't they?

Filikins' The Forever War, where I got this from, is one of the best books on the war on terror as well.  Not from the political angle, but the sheer waste of life and insanity of it all angle.

Well, that's just it...They're sort of like armed religious whackjobs meets Russian mob nihilism.

I laugh, but they're the very worst people on Earth.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on January 26, 2012, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
You were deployed in Iraq, right?

In Afghanistan, I can actually believe it.  Nothing the Pashtun warlords are more willing to fight over than a pliable 13 year old boy.  However, the local equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Deobandi sect, eventually spawned the Taliban, did frown upon such things, and then collapsed a wall on top of the guilty parties, as is supposedly the traditional punishment for non-hetro buttsex in those parts.  Not that it stopped the practice, but it did stop warlords from demolishing large parts of Kabul in their fights over the pliable young boy trade, which is Progress.

I'd chalk it up to the fact the average person doesn't see a difference between the combatants in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Everyone is Taliban to them. :argh!:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2012, 11:19:53 PM
Nate Silver suggests we have reached Peak Gingrinch:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/polls-suggest-gingrichs-support-may-have-peaked/

QuotePolling released within the past 24 hours suggests that Mitt Romney may have stopped and possibly reversed Newt Gingrich's momentum before the Florida primary on Tuesday.

... In fact, I suspect ... that there is enough evidence—when you look carefully at the day-to-day results—to conclude that Mr. Romney has re-emerged as the slight favorite in Florida instead....

Looks like Newt's plans for a Moonbase are not winning over Flordia's voters
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on January 26, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 11:19:53 PM
Nate Silver suggests we have reached Peak Gingrinch:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/polls-suggest-gingrichs-support-may-have-peaked/

QuotePolling released within the past 24 hours suggests that Mitt Romney may have stopped and possibly reversed Newt Gingrich's momentum before the Florida primary on Tuesday.

... In fact, I suspect ... that there is enough evidence—when you look carefully at the day-to-day results—to conclude that Mr. Romney has re-emerged as the slight favorite in Florida instead....

Looks like Newt's plans for a Moonbase are not winning over Flordia's voters

Maybe he should have pitched it as a penal colony.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on January 27, 2012, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:23:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
and then collapsed a wall on top of the guilty parties, as is supposedly the traditional punishment for non-hetro buttsex in those parts. 

wat

Those guys are NUTS.  Best execution EVER.

IN MUSLIM AFGHANISTAN, COME THE REVOLUTION, WALL IS FIRST AGAINST YOU
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 27, 2012, 03:43:59 AM
Too bad, the moonbase idea was almost enough to get me to vote for the scummy bastard regardless of everything else.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2012, 03:46:41 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 27, 2012, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:23:31 AM
Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 05:22:10 AM
and then collapsed a wall on top of the guilty parties, as is supposedly the traditional punishment for non-hetro buttsex in those parts. 

wat

Those guys are NUTS.  Best execution EVER.

IN MUSLIM AFGHANISTAN, COME THE REVOLUTION, WALL IS FIRST AGAINST YOU

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on January 27, 2012, 07:36:58 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 27, 2012, 03:43:59 AM
Too bad, the moonbase idea was almost enough to get me to vote for the scummy bastard regardless of everything else.

In 1986, Gingrinch said something to the effect of, if all the money on farming subsisdies were spent on the space program, then America would have floating agriculture stations, and they could put all the farmers up there, and America would be even richer!

I can back that plan, for pure craziness.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on January 27, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
Space farms? Are you kidding? That's something that would get me donating to the Republican Party.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on January 27, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Hell, I'd make cold calls for them.

I mean, completely different than the cold calls I make "for" them now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 01, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
Romney wins Florida, despite hilarious space-race pandering to voters by Gingrinch

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16827237

QuoteUS presidential hopeful Mitt Romney has won a clear victory in the Republican primary election in Florida, official results indicate.

Mr Romney polled 46%, but rival Newt Gingrich, who only managed 32%, says he has no intention of dropping out.

Florida's primary was the biggest of the 2012 election season so far and saw a bitter TV ad battle between the men hoping to take on Barack Obama.

Exit polls indicated the economy was the key issue for a majority of voters.

Exit polling saw Mr Romney lead his main rival on a host of issues - including his likely handling of the economy. The data also suggested he appealed to a broad range of Florida Republican voters, including the state's crucial Hispanic population.

Mr Gingrich narrowly won the support of evangelicals and pro-life voters, but saw Mr Romney win the backing of a majority of Tea Party sympathisers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 01, 2012, 09:05:32 AM
My sister and I had a conversation together about the upcoming Presidential election when we went for a long and moody walk the day after grandma's funeral back in October.

It was weird. My sister is exactly half my age at this point. I am the oldest, she the youngest.

We both agreed that it would come down to Obama and Romney. We both agreed that Obama would be the likeliest winner either way.

Guess we started talking about it because the Irish presidential was imminent and we were suddenly sucked in, weird as it was for us Americans over for a death. Point is, this is just one of those things that is just fucking writ on Yggdrasil. Most shit is just a mystery, but come on. If a 30 year old history major and a 15 year old 15 year old can independently come to the same conclusion well in advance that it actually happened, it's pretty fucking ridiculous, no?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 01, 2012, 09:15:01 AM
Polling data for Obama vs Romney, for those who want them

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

But http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Still, looking at the data, Gingrinch suddenly leapt ahead, only to suffer a massive drop in support over the holiday period, as people remembered how shitty he was, no doubt.  While he recovered slightly, Romney's two wins and Florida especially should work in his favour.

Also, the longer Santorum and Ron Paul stay in the race, the better it is for Romney.  While he's not everyone's favourite choice, he's usually everyone's second-favourite choice.  So long as the social conservative and anti-abortion vote keeps on getting split between 2-3 candidates, he is in with a very good chance, and this is something the polls would not necessarily reflect, since they select on a first past the post basis.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 01, 2012, 09:19:01 AM
Interestingly, the data also shows that both Santorum and Ron Paul are stronger candidates against Obama than Gingrinch.  In other words, Gingrinch is the least likely candidate to capture the Presidency for the Republicans.

Yet more proof of Cain's Second Law: people as a rule care a lot more for ideological purity than for winning.  They'd rather have none of their agenda passed than 60% of it, by someone they disapprove of.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on February 01, 2012, 09:25:52 AM
That's an interesting observation indeed, Cain.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 01, 2012, 09:36:05 AM
Some Dems suffer from the opposite disease - namely "their side" must win, even if it will pass none of the agenda they want.

But by and large, the second law holds.  Tribalism and personality trump policy.  No-one believes in actually winning, there is a "cult of the underdog" which has developed, which is something of a good thing, as for the most part, the underdog is so because of vast power disparities and structurally unequal relationships, but is also bad because the language of the victim is equally open to all ideologies and interests.  Conservatism and fascism thrive on it as much as liberalism and socialism do.  Only monarchism seems to avoid it, for the few actual monarchists left in the world.  Defenders of the Ancien Regime tend to think of it as inherently right, conservatives tend to bemoan the loss of it (and blame the previous elite for their failures, adopting the victimised language as a matter of course).

Anyway, getting off point. I believe in winning.  I've spent my entire life believing in winning.  This could be an Australian attitude (my parents never believed it was the taking part that counted, or that coming second best was "good enough".  A loser is still a loser, even if they were the best of the losers) or it could be a result of my studies into strategy, which of course deals with getting the optimal outcome, typically within a zero-sum system.  But I suspect I am atypical in this respect.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on February 01, 2012, 02:24:51 PM
well goddamn said
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 03, 2012, 02:22:01 PM
Oh dear fucking God.

Liberals are now referring, on their blogs, to Romney as "Rmoney".

Obam has $139 million in the bank, mostly raised from Wall Street donations.  Romney has $57 million.  Obama's top donations come from the Likes of Goldman Sachs, Comcast, Time Warner, General Electric and Morgan Stanley.  Romney's donations come from...Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, the Blackstone Group, Credit Suisse and Wells Fargo.

But clearly it's only Romney who's the "big money" candidate, because...fuck you Firebagger, why don't you go back to supporting Sarah Palin, that's why.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on February 03, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
ugh, it really makes you laugh or cry.

I don't even know what to do.

There have been so many good points and rants and cartoons on the topic of dissatisfaction with Obama, but I don't know how to resolve that tension.

As much as I disagree with all of his politics, I'm starting to feel like voting for Paul, if only because it's an outsider voice.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 03, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 03, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
ugh, it really makes you laugh or cry.

I don't even know what to do.

There have been so many good points and rants and cartoons on the topic of dissatisfaction with Obama, but I don't know how to resolve that tension.

As much as I disagree with all of his politics, I'm starting to feel like voting for Paul, if only because it's an outsider voice.

I thought about Paul, too.

Then I started digging.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152192/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cramulus on February 03, 2012, 04:24:49 PM
I'm aware of those things. I don't think that voting for him will get him elected or anything. I just want an actual political dialog to take place. Right now we've got a bunch of clones acting like they're polar opposites.

I'm having a hard time justifying voting for Obama after he has sucked so badly at protecting privacy, eliminating corruption, and operating transparently. He signs NDAA but says he "feels bad" about it. He appoints a former Monsanto VP as advisor to the FDA. And aside from a little bit of student loan reform, he hasn't done much for the middle class. Oh but gays in uniform can kiss. It's just a bunch of cultural signaling, show me the Change he was talking about.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 03, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
At some point, someone figured out that we keep voting for the "lesser of two evils" no matter how bat both of them get, or how small the gap between them becomes. Romney wasn't the worst governor Massachusetts has ever had.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 03, 2012, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 03, 2012, 04:24:49 PM
I'm aware of those things. I don't think that voting for him will get him elected or anything. I just want an actual political dialog to take place. Right now we've got a bunch of clones acting like they're polar opposites.

I'm having a hard time justifying voting for Obama after he has sucked so badly at protecting privacy, eliminating corruption, and operating transparently. He signs NDAA but says he "feels bad" about it. He appoints a former Monsanto VP as advisor to the FDA. And aside from a little bit of student loan reform, he hasn't done much for the middle class. Oh but gays in uniform can kiss. It's just a bunch of cultural signaling, show me the Change he was talking about.

True, but I won't vote for someone else just because he's someone else, not without at least looking at what I'm buying. 

And, not all changes are the big, sweeping shit that draws nothing but a roadblock from a GoP Congress who'd see America go down if it means Obama fails.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 03, 2012, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: Queen_Gogira on February 03, 2012, 04:36:11 PM
At some point, someone figured out that we keep voting for the "lesser of two evils" no matter how bat both of them get, or how small the gap between them becomes. Romney wasn't the worst governor Massachusetts has ever had.

Nope. He was a rather average MA governor actually. Didn't really do much of anything notable, collected his paycheck, went on vacation, really only used the governorship as a stepping stone and bolted as soon as he saw the opportunity for other things.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 03, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 03, 2012, 03:49:03 PM

As much as I disagree with all of his politics, I'm starting to feel like voting for Paul, if only because it's an outsider voice.

Ron Paul is not an outsider voice.  He is a grifter that takes stacks of fat boodle back to his district, and then paints himself as an outsider for the rubes.

In addition, just look at his fucking platform:  All the social nightmares the GOP has, and even weirder financial issues.  It would be like having Ayn Rand as president, only better looking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 05, 2012, 02:56:20 AM
QuoteOn Tuesday, Anonymous enthusiasts hacked and defaced the website of American Third Position (A3P),  a major US-based white supremacist network. According to Anonymous, documents liberated in the hack show that "Ron Paul has regularly met with many A3P members, even engaging in conference calls with their board of directors."

http://www.examiner.com/anonymous-in-national/hunting-nazis-anonymous-snares-ron-paul-operation-blitzkrieg

Oops.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 05, 2012, 04:33:54 AM
Uh oh. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 05, 2012, 04:41:42 AM
where's the "innocent whistle" icon?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Salty on February 05, 2012, 05:44:39 AM
This is, as word has it:

Quotea vague, non-factual statement by one member of a chaotic group
:dok:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
It was also revealed that Ron Paul did in fact know about the content of his Survival Report editorials, and approved of them.

Anyway, Romney seems to have won Nevada with 42% or thereabouts, with half of all votes counted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on February 05, 2012, 11:22:54 AM
Somewhere people are sitting at a party, crying into their Tea.  :lulz:

Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
It was also revealed that Ron Paul did in fact know about the content of his Survival Report editorials, and approved of them.

Anyway, Romney seems to have won Nevada with 42% or thereabouts, with half of all votes counted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 05, 2012, 11:31:59 AM
For those wondering about the Third Positionist movement, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Positionist

QuoteThird Position is a revolutionary nationalist political ideology that emphasizes its opposition to both communism and capitalism. Advocates of Third Position politics typically present themselves as "beyond left and right", instead claiming to syncretize radical ideas from both ends of the political spectrum.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

Third Positionists tend to advocate for the ownership of the means of producing goods and services to be distributed as widely as possible among the "productive members of society", seek alliances with separatists of ethnicity and race other than their own to achieve "separate but equal" ethnic and racial segregation, support national liberation movements in the least developed countries, and have recently embraced environmentalism and reconstructionist paganism.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

Political scientists, such as Roger Griffin, dismiss Third Positionist claims of being "beyond left and right" as specious. They argue that Third Positionism is in fact an ideological mutation of the neo-fascist right, which rejects both Marxism and liberalism for an ultranationalism that seeks to achieve a national rebirth by establishing a confederation of ethnically and racially homogeneous communities where ownership of productive property is distributed among all members. The main precursors of Third Position politics are National Bolshevism, a synthesis of nationalism and Bolshevik communism, and Strasserism, a radical, mass-action and worker-based form of Nazism.

The BNP in Britain has a strong Third Positionist component, as does the personal history of Nick Griffin, the party leader.  I disagree that National Bolshevism, at least as understood by Liminov, is Third Positionist, but I can also see how someone would come to that conclusion (since it does in fact claim to be against communism and capitalism, and borrows from fascist aesthetics heavily).

In particular, note this part:

QuoteThird Position adherents in the U.S. actively seek to recruit from the left by attempting to convince progressive activists to join forces to oppose certain government policies where there is a shared critique, primarily around such issues as the use of U.S. troops in foreign military interventions, support for Israel, the problems of CIA misconduct and covert action, domestic government repression, privacy rights, and civil liberties.

Arguments can of course be made as to whether Ron Paul is a duped "progressive voice" or willing participant, but in reality it changes little.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 05, 2012, 04:03:09 PM
Seriously, it's probably a better protest to abstain from voting than to vote for a racist with no chance of winning.

I mean, casting your lot for Paul and then saying "But I don't really support him" is a little like dressing in white robes and going to a big party with a burning cross and then saying "but I didn't light any matches myself."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 05, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
Fuck yes. Yoinking and re-posting with attribution.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 07, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
Guy down in Florida has filed assault charges against Newt, his security detail, and his campaign.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/07/43692.htm
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: DiscoRadio on February 07, 2012, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 05, 2012, 04:03:09 PM
Seriously, it's probably a better protest to abstain from voting than to vote for a racist with no chance of winning.

I mean, casting your lot for Paul and then saying "But I don't really support him" is a little like dressing in white robes and going to a big party with a burning cross and then saying "but I didn't light any matches myself."

Vermin Supreme: The ultimate protest vote

If you don't vote, tptb just assume you're not paying attention. I don't want my outrage to be confused for apathy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 08, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
Santorum just scored wins in Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri.

My reaction: wat.

However, it changes little.  Michigan, Maine and Arizona are up next: Ron Paul may take Maine, but the rest should be Romney victories.  And then it's Super Tuesday.  Unless Santorum or Gingrinch pulls a major upset in any of those states before then, Romney will be far more credible.  Furthermore, his financial advantage will give him a much greater scope for victory, as he floods advertising, visits and attacks across several states simultaneously.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 08, 2012, 09:55:25 AM
That said, the GOP elite have conflicted values (http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/feel-the-excitement-of-clear-choice/):

QuoteInteresting to hear some conversations among the permanent Republican/Movement D.C. class begin to mutter that *they* would be better off with an Obama victory. He is fundraising gold. The 501(c)(4)s, consulting firms and the like have never seen profits or budgets like this. Hillary in pants suits, toting Vince Foster wrapped in a rug from love nest to public park days? Chump change. Obama has made them personally wealthy.

The reasoning is simple. A second term by definition peters out in less than 18 months. He's already a convulsive caver. Besides, Obama is thumbs up on the bombing brown people front. Sam's recent comment about the British tourists deported simply for using British slang about partying in America on Twitter gets a grudging nod for abusing executive power.

The car wreck in leadership fighting across the House and Senate Republican minority? More time to get ducks in a row. Assuming they at least hold on the House.

A Romney presidency by contrast presents unknowns. Access is everything. Which of them will be able return to the roles they were accustomed to under Bush? Feelings are running hard now. Robo calls that Romney is against kosher food won't be forgotten. Worse? How will he govern? Like GHWB and propose something crazy and sensible like the ADA? Sununu, Romney's attack dog, after all as GHWB CoS famously said "We have mortgages, not ideologies."

The country and even government may be in decadent disarray. The above may be idle musing. Tribalism may trump all in a clear need to witness 'destruction'. But Obama's unquestionably been very very good to a surprising strata.

And self interest? What could be more emblematic of our times?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 08, 2012, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
Santorum just scored wins in Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri.

My reaction: wat.

However, it changes little.  Michigan, Maine and Arizona are up next: Ron Paul may take Maine, but the rest should be Romney victories.  And then it's Super Tuesday.  Unless Santorum or Gingrinch pulls a major upset in any of those states before then, Romney will be far more credible.  Furthermore, his financial advantage will give him a much greater scope for victory, as he floods advertising, visits and attacks across several states simultaneously.

Same here. The fact that this hateful shitbag won all three confounds me, even if it doesn't change that much.  It shows me a picture of just how many Americans are complete douchebags.


Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2012, 09:55:25 AM
That said, the GOP elite have conflicted values (http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/feel-the-excitement-of-clear-choice/):

QuoteInteresting to hear some conversations among the permanent Republican/Movement D.C. class begin to mutter that *they* would be better off with an Obama victory. He is fundraising gold. The 501(c)(4)s, consulting firms and the like have never seen profits or budgets like this. Hillary in pants suits, toting Vince Foster wrapped in a rug from love nest to public park days? Chump change. Obama has made them personally wealthy.

The reasoning is simple. A second term by definition peters out in less than 18 months. He's already a convulsive caver. Besides, Obama is thumbs up on the bombing brown people front. Sam's recent comment about the British tourists deported simply for using British slang about partying in America on Twitter gets a grudging nod for abusing executive power.

The car wreck in leadership fighting across the House and Senate Republican minority? More time to get ducks in a row. Assuming they at least hold on the House.

A Romney presidency by contrast presents unknowns. Access is everything. Which of them will be able return to the roles they were accustomed to under Bush? Feelings are running hard now. Robo calls that Romney is against kosher food won't be forgotten. Worse? How will he govern? Like GHWB and propose something crazy and sensible like the ADA? Sununu, Romney's attack dog, after all as GHWB CoS famously said "We have mortgages, not ideologies."

The country and even government may be in decadent disarray. The above may be idle musing. Tribalism may trump all in a clear need to witness 'destruction'. But Obama's unquestionably been very very good to a surprising strata.

And self interest? What could be more emblematic of our times?

I kind of love this. New GOP slogan: "Obama: Our kind of president".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 08, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
Santorum just scored wins in Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri.

My reaction: wat.

However, it changes little.  Michigan, Maine and Arizona are up next: Ron Paul may take Maine, but the rest should be Romney victories.  And then it's Super Tuesday.  Unless Santorum or Gingrinch pulls a major upset in any of those states before then, Romney will be far more credible.  Furthermore, his financial advantage will give him a much greater scope for victory, as he floods advertising, visits and attacks across several states simultaneously.

Paul probably has his best shot in Maine.  I think the Libertarian and Tea Party voting blocks will come together to give him a lot of support.  But we have a lot of Southern New England tranplants in Southern Maine too, so it will be close. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on February 11, 2012, 06:16:32 PM
Ron Paul's biggest supporter is a member of the Bilderberger group.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/ron-pauls-biggest-supporter-is-a-bilderberger

QuoteThiel -- who gave $900,000 to the pro-Paul group Endorse Liberty -- made his fortune as the co-founder of PayPal; he was also an early investor in Facebook, and is now a major player in the world of high-tech venture capital. He's also a devoted libertarian and devoted Republican: He hosted a fundraiser for the confrontational gay conservative group GOProud at his grand apartment off Union Square in 2010.

Thiel is also a member of the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, the elite, invitation-only conference that's the frequent subject of conspiracy theories.

"They probably get together and talk about how they're going to control the banking systems of the world and natural resources," Paul said in 2008.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 11, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
This...this is amazing! :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Good News for Rick Santorum

He just scored an endorsement from Dave Mustaine

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
Oh dave mustaine. Whatever happened to if theres a new way ill be the first in line it better work this time?

I suppose when you stop taking drugs and find jesus you have to stop being a borderline anarchist and become a republican.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 01:23:38 PM
I just, I mean, it doesn't surprise me given his new life style he would be in for a Republican or a Conservative, but Rick Santorum?  That's just nuts. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Gay marriage is not metal.

But apparently santorum is.

:shrug: daves always been kinda loony so i guess it doesnt really surprise me too much.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 15, 2012, 01:30:02 PM
He was kind of a dick back then, he's kind of a dick right now...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Gay marriage is not metal.

But apparently santorum is.

:shrug: daves always been kinda loony so i guess it doesnt really surprise me too much.

Rob Halford would make it metal! 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
Lmno- yep. Hes just a different kind of dick these days.

Whn- at the end of the day metallicity should be measured in halfords.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
Whereas mustaine was booted out of metallica for the amazing feat of being a bigger douchebag than the rest of metallica.

Somehow i dont think mustaines going to be that much of a boon to santorum.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on February 15, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
Oh dave mustaine. Whatever happened to if theres a new way ill be the first in line it better work this time?

I suppose when you stop taking drugs and find jesus you have to stop being a borderline anarchist and become a republican.

This is good news for Ass Froth, Dave can cast spells (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=155495) on his political opponents.

PS. HES ALSO A BIRTHER

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159358

QuoteMustaine: Not anymore. I don't think so because of the things that have taken place and the mistrust. Plus when you look at "Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?", what the whole concept behind that whole album is pretty much about — us as a people and the youth of America as an individual ... I don't want to say "faction" that's the wrong word, but an entity, on its own. The youth of America being justified, finally, coming of age, and being able to look at things and being able to say 'You know what? I don't want this Manchurian Candidate as our President." Back then, it's the same thing now. I look at the way Obama has been selling our country off and all the ways things are happening and the way that our economy is plummeting. Why won't we tap Alaska? And why did we take so long to act on the Gulf? Why did we take so long to act in Libya? Why?! Where's his birth certificate? You know what, that birth certificate he showed everybody ... I remember buying one of those to go buy booze. Hello Obama. C'mon dude, they used to sell those in the back of Creem magazine for $3.

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Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
:lulz: ok daves officially in the same guano category as the nuge.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
Whereas mustaine was booted out of metallica for the amazing feat of being a bigger douchebag than the rest of metallica.

Somehow i dont think mustaines going to be that much of a boon to santorum.

If Mustaine still had a career, this would have ended it.

Performers who go right wing run into a stone wall, career-wise.  Randy Travis found this out in the 80s...Also Cedric the Entertainer, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Meatloaf, that screwhead Darryl Whorley, Dennis Miller, Hank Williams Jr, the dopey chick from SNL (Valerie somethingorother), you name it.

Let's call it The Meatloaf Rule:  The moment an entertainer becomes a right-winger or plays at one of their events, that entertainer is finished in the business.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 05:49:14 PM
Agreed. I think the last album i bought was the system has failed which was released after he reformed megadeth after his stay in rehab and conversion experience.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 05:54:35 PM
Some great quotes:

QuoteIn 1988, in response to the British government's criticism of homosexuality, Mustaine said: "More power to them. It says in the Bible that men should not lay with men like they lay with women. I mean I don't wanna fuck up and not go to heaven."  In an answer to a question about Judas Priest having an overt homosexual image, "I don't wanna talk about this. The last thing I need is a bunch of homos picketing us."

Quote"If I were President of the United States, I'd build a great wall along the Mexican border and not let anybody in.  The beauty is gone when you see Americans sleeping on sidewalks and it makes me sick to to think we have assholes in this country letting fucking Mexicans in. Who needs this shit?"

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 05:57:16 PM
I should be horrified but it just makes him look more comedic. Almost like his mindset is entirely stuck in the early eighties.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 06:00:44 PM
I think there is a lot more conservative-minded folks in the metal community than one might expect.  It isn't the liberal bastion like alternative rock tends to be. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 06:00:44 PM
I think there is a lot more conservative-minded folks in the metal community than one might expect.  It isn't the liberal bastion like alternative rock tends to be.

Yeah, but you will also notice, again, that the moment a metal/rocker actually involves himself in conservativism by word or deed, he's essentially done.  Hell, Ted Nugent hasn't had a new fan since 1980, and he is almost unique in that he continues to draw a crowd AT ALL.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 06:03:44 PM
While this is true i think a metalheads politics are due to other factors. I think the general idea is that metal trumps politics.

Though, i suppose metal concepts like metal purity dont help.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 06:10:19 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 06:03:44 PM
While this is true i think a metalheads politics are due to other factors. I think the general idea is that metal trumps politics.

Though, i suppose metal concepts like metal purity dont help.

I think that is definitely true with some of the black metal bands.  Some of those bands have been involved in some pretty twisted stuff and have some fairly twisted ideas. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 06:27:41 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 06:03:44 PM
While this is true i think a metalheads politics are due to other factors. I think the general idea is that metal trumps politics.

Though, i suppose metal concepts like metal purity dont help.

What's "metal purity"?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
It ties in with concepts like thats not metal enough and selling out and stuff. Its kinda hard to explain. Metal must always sound like metal and metal musicians are not supposed to play anything else. Silly shit like that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 06:33:45 PM
It ties in with concepts like thats not metal enough and selling out and stuff. Its kinda hard to explain. Metal must always sound like metal and metal musicians are not supposed to play anything else. Silly shit like that.

Oh.

Hipsters have taken over metal.   :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 06:44:08 PM
Nah this predates hipsters as we know them. It stems more out of metal being a largely underground form of music. Its also a convenient excuse for a shitty metal band to maintain cred :lulz:

its a pretty common mentality among high school metalheads where group identity is strong. Most grow out of it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 06:53:05 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 06:44:08 PM
Nah this predates hipsters as we know them. It stems more out of metal being a largely underground form of music.

:judge:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
I think a prime and well known example is the reaction to the "Black" album by Metallica.  But I think this has far digressed from a conversation about Republican Primary Candidates.  :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
I don't think people thought the black album wasn't metal enough, they just thought it sucked.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 15, 2012, 07:19:15 PM
I don't think people thought the black album wasn't metal enough, they just thought it sucked.

My reaction to the Black Album:  "I wanted Metallica.  Who put a Soundgarden CD in this box?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
more like Stone Temple Pilots. :lulz:

After all, aside from their final album Soundgarden were direct musical descendents of Black Sabbath. Or, they're what Black Sabbath would have sounded like if Tony Iommi's talent had been on par with his ambition and innovation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 15, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
more like Stone Temple Pilots. :lulz:

After all, aside from their final album Soundgarden were direct musical descendents of Black Sabbath. Or, they're what Black Sabbath would have sounded like if Tony Iommi's talent had been on par with his ambition and innovation.

I only heard the one album.  The one with Spoon Man on it.  And I felt the same way about IT as I felt about the Black Album, only not as bad, because I didn't have that huge LET DOWN feeling that made me want to send Rob Halford a crate of grenades and James Hetfield's address.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 07:35:04 PM
Go check out Badmotorfinger or Louder Than Love.

Though personally I loved Superunknown. How you gonna say Fresh Tendrils isn't heavy as fuck?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 15, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
I kind of love how the prevailing opinion on this board has a deep respect for the 80's New Wave of British Heavy Metal.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2012, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 15, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
I kind of love how the prevailing opinion on this board has a deep respect for the 80's New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

The British suffer more than we do, so they have better art (music) and worse politicians.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 15, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
I kind of love how the prevailing opinion on this board has a deep respect for the 80's New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

I literally almost crapped my pants 10 minutes ago when I found out that Iron Maiden was gonna be playing in WA in July and not playing any material more recent than 7th Son of a 7th Son. In fact, I just got back from barely making it to the shitter.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oh fuck yeah gotta see if theyre hitting boston.

Also part of what got me to stop listening to megadeth was knowing that their song back in the day is a blatant rip off lyrically of saxons denim and leather.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
Rust in Peace is still, IMO, the single best metal album of all time.

However, that doesn't mean that Mustaine isn't a worthless shitheel that I'd like to punch, and it DEFINITELY doesn't mean that any subsequent Megadeth albums are worth the electrons they're illegally downloaded with. I mean, surely nobody's paying actual MONEY to listen to that crap, right?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
It probably says something about the current state of American two party politics that this thread was hijacked into an infinitely more interesting discussion simply by mentioning Dave Mustaine.

We should probably start a facebook group dedicated to drafting Dave Mustaine to run for office. One way or another, hilarity is sure to ensue.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 15, 2012, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oh fuck yeah gotta see if theyre hitting boston.

Also part of what got me to stop listening to megadeth was knowing that their song back in the day is a blatant rip off lyrically of saxons denim and leather.

I gave up on Megadeth when they released Countdown to Extinction which was an obvious attempt to ride the "Black" album coattails.  (Testament and Overkill did the same damned thing!)  It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't followed the monumental Rust in Peace album. 

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 15, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
I didnt get into metal until both black album and countdown were already released so i gave both bands more leeway with their sound for longer. Though i disliked load and effectively stopped listening to metallica after listening to reload. I think my first exposure to megadeth was youthanasia.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 15, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
Youthanasia might be the single worst metal album ever released, and I'm including the Pat Boone cover album in that statement.

I mean, Et Tu LeMonde? Really? FRENCH LANGUAGE IS NOT METAL.

Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 08:51:43 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 15, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Oh fuck yeah gotta see if theyre hitting boston.

Also part of what got me to stop listening to megadeth was knowing that their song back in the day is a blatant rip off lyrically of saxons denim and leather.

I gave up on Megadeth when they released Countdown to Extinction which was an obvious attempt to ride the "Black" album coattails.  (Testament and Overkill did the same damned thing!)  It wouldn't have been so bad if it hadn't followed the monumental Rust in Peace album. 



The difference between Testament and those other bands, of course, is that after that album Testament not only went back to being the best goddamned thrash metal band that ever stomped the earth, they kept getting better.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 03:24:33 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 15, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 15, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
I kind of love how the prevailing opinion on this board has a deep respect for the 80's New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

I literally almost crapped my pants 10 minutes ago when I found out that Iron Maiden was gonna be playing in WA in July and not playing any material more recent than 7th Son of a 7th Son. In fact, I just got back from barely making it to the shitter.

IN BOSTON TUESDAY JUNE 26!

:fap: :fap: :fap:


Twid,
Don't even try to make plans with me then.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
Gotta see if I can talk the wife into that one.  We were just talking the other day about making some plans this summer to catch some concerts in Beantown.

Well, this is a concert, and it is in Beantown. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
Gotta see if I can talk the wife into that one.  We were just talking the other day about making some plans this summer to catch some concerts in Beantown.

Well, this is a concert, and it is in Beantown.

Ok, you can make plans with me if you like then.  8)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 16, 2012, 06:12:50 PM
Just a heads-up guys: Maiden is going the extra mile to make their shows fan-friendly which means that with teh exception of the dates that are at large festivals they are only issuing paperless tickets, meaning everyone in your party has to be present at the gate at the same time with photo IDs and the credit card used to buy the tickets. It also means that you won't be able to buy from scalpers and there will be few if any tickets released to the secondary ticket market so if it sells out you'll be shit outta luck. Tickets go on sale march 3rd for all US sates IIRC.

And you guys are lucky, you'll get Alice Cooper as the opening act. We get stuck with Coheed and Cambria, though I guess the girl who is their singer has an OK voice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 16, 2012, 06:12:50 PM
And you guys are lucky, you'll get Alice Cooper as the opening act.

Alice Cooper has forever ruined himself for me, thanks to his Phoenix-based radio show.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

Really? Is this a thing now? Is it about the money or something?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 06:18:46 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

He has the uncommon good sense to NOT talk about politics (the only positive thing about his show, other than the fact that he plays Badfinger, etc, once in a while).  He's as GOP as they get, but he keeps it as private as possible, as far as I've seen or heard.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

Really? Is this a thing now? Is it about the money or something?

If Alice Cooper didn't have money concerns, he wouldn't be recording a radio show 5 days a week.

He just got old.

Just saying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 16, 2012, 06:28:56 PM
I don't care what his politics are as long as his stage show still kicks ass and he plays "Eighteen" somewhere in the encore.

Not that I'll get to see him. I get "Rush Reborn" as the opening act.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

Really? Is this a thing now? Is it about the money or something?

I think he's always been that way, though, but he's largely kept it to himself over most of his career.  But he seems to be letting it slip out here and there as he's gotten older.  For example this little nugget on Sarah Palin:

Quote"I vote for the person, not the party. [As for U.S. Vice President hopeful Sarah Palin], I think she's totally a breath of fresh air. When they say she has no experience, maybe that's what Washington needs. I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. But in a shooting war, I want a pit bull, not a poodle. I'm gonna go for the hawk."

Granted, he's not quite as overt and annoying with it as say Mustaine and Gene Simmons.  Simmons, not surprisingly, being one of those "Rah Rah Israel!" conservative types. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

Really? Is this a thing now? Is it about the money or something?

I think he's always been that way, though, but he's largely kept it to himself over most of his career.  But he seems to be letting it slip out here and there as he's gotten older.  For example this little nugget on Sarah Palin:

Quote"I vote for the person, not the party. [As for U.S. Vice President hopeful Sarah Palin], I think she's totally a breath of fresh air. When they say she has no experience, maybe that's what Washington needs. I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. But in a shooting war, I want a pit bull, not a poodle. I'm gonna go for the hawk."

Granted, he's not quite as overt and annoying with it as say Mustaine and Gene Simmons.  Simmons, not surprisingly, being one of those "Rah Rah Israel!" conservative types.

I figured that Gene Simmons would be a fiscal conservative at any rate since he wants his fucking face on everything so he can get it on.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
We really should have a thread split.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 16, 2012, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Yeah, isn't he another Conservatard rocker guy?  I know he's a fairly religious guy.

Really? Is this a thing now? Is it about the money or something?

Mostly, I think it's a "fuck scalpers/third party ticket places buying all the tickets and raping our fans" thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
We really should have a thread split.

:lulz:

Why?  We're back to election politics.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney.

I'm ok with this.

College students are stupid enough to elect Ron Paul.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 08:17:25 PM
Truth be told, I'm surprised how many Ron Paul supporters I know, and it's usually because of the Gold Standard/He predicted this crash back when Nixon was president.

Except, you know, recessions come and go, and there was going to be one eventually anyway, with or without gold.


At least they're not Objectivists though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney.

I'm ok with this.

College students are stupid enough to elect Ron Paul.

Actually, in this particular county of Maine, it isn't the college students, it's all of the 50-60 year old lumberjacks and lobstermen.  This is the area of Maine where the cockamamie idea of splitting Maine into two states usually comes from. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney.

I'm ok with this.

College students are stupid enough to elect Ron Paul.

Actually, in this particular county of Maine, it isn't the college students, it's all of the 50-60 year old lumberjacks and lobstermen.  This is the area of Maine where the cockamamie idea of splitting Maine into two states usually comes from.

I believe it.

I mean if he got a shot at the nomination though. College students would be stupid enough to elect him. Obama and Romney is more of the same. Ron Paul is more of the same on crystal meth.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
True.  Very true. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney.

I'm ok with this.

College students are stupid enough to elect Ron Paul.

I'm not okay with it.  Everyone gets a vote, or nobody gets a vote.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 16, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
Speaking of, there is some hub-bub here in Maine because one of our counties had to postpone their caucus due to weather or some kind of bullshit, and Romney only one by a small amount of votes.  And this county that hasn't caucused yet is full of Paulites.  But the chairman of the GOP here is refusing to count those votes and even if they push Paul over the edge, the win will still go to Romney.

I'm ok with this.

College students are stupid enough to elect Ron Paul.

I'm not okay with it.  Everyone gets a vote, or nobody gets a vote.

On a deeper level, people don't really get one anyway. Aren't primaries just kind of a guideline for the party to follow?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 16, 2012, 09:25:13 PM
I just hope nobody gets enough delegates to win the GOP nomination outright. A brokered convention will make for some hellacious entertainment, provided you find wingnuts frothing rabidly at the mouth as entertaining as I do.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
Oh that would be awesome. I hope it turns out that way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
Hell yeah!  I'd organize a viewing party around that shit.   
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 16, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
I've been a registered Republican for about the last 17 years, so when it's primary time I'm thinking I'll let you guys vote on who I should vote for.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Id say whoevers behind in the polls at that time. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 16, 2012, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
Id say whoevers behind in the polls at that time. :lulz:

When the time comes, I'll put up a poll.

Also I think this will be the first election in my entire life when Oregon's primary has mattered! Yay!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
That reminds me. I have to prank my friend in ohio by pretending to be a cold call from the romney campaign.

My name will be petah sottoponte from chahlztown. Petahs wicked disappointed in the gop field this yeauh and romneys the only man faw the jahb.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 16, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
I have just discovered the website for the local Tea Party.  They meet in the town where Suu's boss runs the paper.  I could probably convince her to give me press credentials and write an article.

Hilarity may ensue, if they announce their meetings more than a day ahead of time.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on February 16, 2012, 10:58:31 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
That reminds me. I have to prank my friend in ohio by pretending to be a cold call from the romney campaign.

My name will be petah sottoponte from chahlztown. Petahs wicked disappointed in the gop field this yeauh and romneys the only man faw the jahb.

You, sir, are an artist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 16, 2012, 11:00:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 16, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
I've been a registered Republican for about the last 17 years, so when it's primary time I'm thinking I'll let you guys vote on who I should vote for.

I've been one for about 8 years now, due to my desire to "help" with stuffing envelopes during Bush's '04 campaign.  I've strung the "I technically live in Maine" thing out about as far as I can anyway so when I get home I'm gonna get an Oregon ID and register to vote there. Mostly so I can vote against Eileen Brady, but strategic primary voting is always fun too.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 16, 2012, 11:00:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 16, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
I've been a registered Republican for about the last 17 years, so when it's primary time I'm thinking I'll let you guys vote on who I should vote for.

I've been one for about 8 years now, due to my desire to "help" with stuffing envelopes during Bush's '04 campaign.  I've strung the "I technically live in Maine" thing out about as far as I can anyway so when I get home I'm gonna get an Oregon ID and register to vote there. Mostly so I can vote against Eileen Brady, but strategic primary voting is always fun too.

I got blackballed in 2002 for helping with the phones.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 11:11:43 PM
Thank you oystiz and i hope youll also be votin fuh-rahmney on supah tuesdee. Incidentally whats that number you dial in order to mask your number from caller id, anyone know?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 16, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
That reminds me. I have to prank my friend in ohio by pretending to be a cold call from the romney campaign.

My name will be petah sottoponte from chahlztown. Petahs wicked disappointed in the gop field this yeauh and romneys the only man faw the jahb.

That bitch, the real Romney, robo-called my house to no end when the Maine caucuses were going on.  I suppose they were trying to get to me since I'm not registered with either party.  My wife is a hardened, true-blue, bleeding heart Democrat. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 11:35:10 PM
My friend is a dem too. But petahs going to try wicked hahd to convince him othahwise. ;)

must be a pain in the ass actually living in a state with a strongly contested primary.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on February 16, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
Quote from: Billy the Twid on February 16, 2012, 11:11:43 PM
Thank you oystiz and i hope youll also be votin fuh-rahmney on supah tuesdee. Incidentally whats that number you dial in order to mask your number from caller id, anyone know?
*67, according to Chacha.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 16, 2012, 11:45:15 PM
Shweet thanks garbs.

Also ech i gotta know. What ended up going into those envelopes?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 17, 2012, 02:43:54 PM
Well, it turns out that tubgirl is ALSO a registered republican and she wanted people to vote for Bush.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 17, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 17, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 17, 2012, 02:43:54 PM
Well, it turns out that tubgirl is ALSO a registered republican and she wanted people to vote for Bush.

I actually had a moment where my brain did nothing but register the awesome, there.   :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 18, 2012, 03:50:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 16, 2012, 11:00:37 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 16, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
I've been a registered Republican for about the last 17 years, so when it's primary time I'm thinking I'll let you guys vote on who I should vote for.

I've been one for about 8 years now, due to my desire to "help" with stuffing envelopes during Bush's '04 campaign.  I've strung the "I technically live in Maine" thing out about as far as I can anyway so when I get home I'm gonna get an Oregon ID and register to vote there. Mostly so I can vote against Eileen Brady, but strategic primary voting is always fun too.

I got blackballed in 2002 for helping with the phones.   :lulz:

I... I am a little overcome by the image of what this entailed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 18, 2012, 03:51:16 AM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 17, 2012, 02:43:54 PM
Well, it turns out that tubgirl is ALSO a registered republican and she wanted people to vote for Bush.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 18, 2012, 03:52:01 AM
Quote from: Luna on February 16, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
I have just discovered the website for the local Tea Party.  They meet in the town where Suu's boss runs the paper.  I could probably convince her to give me press credentials and write an article.

Hilarity may ensue, if they announce their meetings more than a day ahead of time.

oooooh!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 18, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Good News for Rick Santorum

He just scored an endorsement from Dave Mustaine

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756)



Guess who I'll be seeing on Tuesday? :lulz:

I'm'a find a way to punch him in the throat unless Lemmy beats me to it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 18, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 18, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Good News for Rick Santorum

He just scored an endorsement from Dave Mustaine

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756)



Guess who I'll be seeing on Tuesday? :lulz:

I'm'a find a way to punch him in the throat unless Lemmy beats me to it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-mustaine-im-not-ready-to-endorse-rick-santorum-20120216

QuoteMustaine told Music Radar that he is very unhappy with President Obama's term in the White House, and said that his support for Newt Gingrich has waned recently. "He's just gone back to being that person that everybody said he was – that angry little man," Mustaine said. "I still like him, but I don't think I'd vote for him."

There's only room in Dave Mustaine's life for one angry little man. And that man is Dave Mustaine.

I think it's funny that he's back-pedaling on the Santorum thing.


I wouldn't punch him in the face, I'd let Lemmy do that. However, I would say it's too bad that Metallica made him look like a little bitch for crying on camera in a group therapy session. It's totally unfair that a camera for their rockumentary was hidden in plain sight pointing right at him with a red light on. Those sneaky bastards, just trying to make him look like a wuss.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on February 19, 2012, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Twid, not Billy. on February 18, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 18, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Good News for Rick Santorum

He just scored an endorsement from Dave Mustaine

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756)



Guess who I'll be seeing on Tuesday? :lulz:

I'm'a find a way to punch him in the throat unless Lemmy beats me to it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-mustaine-im-not-ready-to-endorse-rick-santorum-20120216

QuoteMustaine told Music Radar that he is very unhappy with President Obama's term in the White House, and said that his support for Newt Gingrich has waned recently. "He's just gone back to being that person that everybody said he was – that angry little man," Mustaine said. "I still like him, but I don't think I'd vote for him."

There's only room in Dave Mustaine's life for one angry little man. And that man is Dave Mustaine.

I think it's funny that he's back-pedaling on the Santorum thing.


I wouldn't punch him in the face, I'd let Lemmy do that. However, I would say it's too bad that Metallica made him look like a little bitch for crying on camera in a group therapy session. It's totally unfair that a camera for their rockumentary was hidden in plain sight pointing right at him with a red light on. Those sneaky bastards, just trying to make him look like a wuss.

His claim is that they cut out Lars crying while they kept his crying.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 19, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Twid, not Billy. on February 18, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 18, 2012, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: What's-His-Name? on February 15, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
Good News for Rick Santorum

He just scored an endorsement from Dave Mustaine

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756 (http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169756)



Guess who I'll be seeing on Tuesday? :lulz:

I'm'a find a way to punch him in the throat unless Lemmy beats me to it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-mustaine-im-not-ready-to-endorse-rick-santorum-20120216

QuoteMustaine told Music Radar that he is very unhappy with President Obama's term in the White House, and said that his support for Newt Gingrich has waned recently. "He's just gone back to being that person that everybody said he was – that angry little man," Mustaine said. "I still like him, but I don't think I'd vote for him."

There's only room in Dave Mustaine's life for one angry little man. And that man is Dave Mustaine.

I think it's funny that he's back-pedaling on the Santorum thing.


I wouldn't punch him in the face, I'd let Lemmy do that. However, I would say it's too bad that Metallica made him look like a little bitch for crying on camera in a group therapy session. It's totally unfair that a camera for their rockumentary was hidden in plain sight pointing right at him with a red light on. Those sneaky bastards, just trying to make him look like a wuss.

You know who makes Dave Mustaine look like a wussy little bitch?

Dave Mustaine does. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 19, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
:lulz:

WHY WONT METALLICA FANS LIKE ME EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A SIZABLE OVERLAPING FAN BASE ON MY OWN MERIT WITH MEGADETH?!!? WHY JESUS WHY???? IT MUST BE LARS' FAULT!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 19, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
I will say though that i was in the mood for some old school metallica yesterday and found a clip of them playing it live with mustaine for their 30th anniversary shindig. I thought it was kinda cool that they were able to bury the hatchet even though he has proven himself to otherwise be a complete tool.

Though if metallica reached out to him first i can see it as a "finally im recognized as a member of metallica!" thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on February 21, 2012, 10:31:02 PM
I don't get it, what's with Metallica? I don't know the first thing about them except that the singer on the older albums sounds really funny when he screams. They're doing what with the GOP now?

And are there any explicitly Democrat metal bands too?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 21, 2012, 10:35:54 PM
Dave mustaine was their lead guitarist before they got signed except he was drunk and high more often than they were so they kicked him out. He got pissy and formed megadeth as its singer and guitarist. Metallicas had the same singer since the beginning he just sounds different now.

As far as explicitly democratic metal bands none come to mind but there are several that have shown liberal views without going into the specifics of their politics. Its usually good policy to bitch about the system without giving party endorsements lol
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on February 21, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
Why's it called "Megadeth" anyway? Were they dyslexic?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 21, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
Metal phonics. Bands often deliberately misspell their names. Not sure why.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on February 22, 2012, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: Twid, not Billy. on February 21, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
Metal phonics. Bands often deliberately misspell their names. Not sure why.

BEKUZ FONETIX AR METEL!!!!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Thurnez Isa on February 22, 2012, 05:44:22 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152840/Santorum-Expands-Lead-Romney-Gets-Electability-Vote.aspx

Wow Santorum has taken a good hefty lead in the polls, apparently completely unelectable in a general election. Of course that has never stopped the republicans before.

Also if Newt drops and throws his delegates and support to Santorum I think Santorum has a chance of taking this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on February 22, 2012, 06:22:28 AM
Totally weird. And hilarious.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 22, 2012, 08:37:55 AM
Iron  Maiden via Bruce Dickinson (aka GOD): hates racism. Hates homophobia.
Judas Priest: GAY
Cradle of Filth: Dani hates Tories.

Granted these are all British bands but....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 22, 2012, 08:48:53 AM
Rammstein (debatable Metal): lyrics translate on "Links" "My heart beats on the Left two, left two three four, left...." (German military marching chant, like Left.... Left.... Left right left." Except this has a political bent here)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kVoEew6I1M

Explanation:
http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/mutter#links_234
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 22, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
It tickles me me that I'm the only confirmed leftist in my band but everyone in Anarchangel loves this song. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on February 22, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
What's interesting is that even fascism, the ideology of white losers everywhere, is more acceptable than conservatism among metal band ranks.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 22, 2012, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Cain on February 22, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
What's interesting is that even fascism, the ideology of white losers everywhere, is more acceptable than conservatism among metal band ranks.

Actually that is pretty interesting. I've since decided that if I like Burzum's new album, I'm still not going to pay for it. And I think my position on copyright is well established.

Twid,
Ashamed that he actually spent money on Det Som Engang Var
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 22, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: Twid, not Billy. on February 21, 2012, 10:35:54 PM
Dave mustaine was their lead guitarist before they got signed except he was drunk and high more often than they were so they kicked him out. He got pissy and formed megadeth as its singer and guitarist. Metallicas had the same singer since the beginning he just sounds different now.

As far as explicitly democratic metal bands none come to mind but there are several that have shown liberal views without going into the specifics of their politics. Its usually good policy to bitch about the system without giving party endorsements lol

I would be hard pressed to come up with a "Democrat" metal band, but there are certainly some that are fairly liberal.  Anthrax comes to mind right away.  They've been a fairly socially-conscious bands writing a lot of songs based on racism/civil-rights and so on.  Which probably makes for some very interesting conversations between Scott Ian and his father-in-law.  (Meatloaf)

Earth Crisis are a band probably on more of the extreme left-end of the political spectrum.  There pretty hard-core straight edgers, vegans, environmentalists, etc. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on February 22, 2012, 12:58:49 PM
Oh, and then there is this that I just found:

http://gawker.com/5886559/metal-endorsements-update-testament-and-lamb-of-god

QuoteAlex Skolnick, guitarist for classic California thrash metal band Testament, writes to us that he's endorsing Barack Obama:
<blockquote> I endorse Barack Obama. Perfect? No. But after inheriting the remnants of the Bush Administration — which was responsible for an illegal, trillion dollar war and a gutted economy — Obama has kept the auto industry alive, worked to improve the middle class and improve education. Now, after several years with an uncooperative congress, his policies are finally taking hold and things are improving (and incidentally, he's helped take out the most wanted terrorists). I'm not tied to the Democratic party in any way, its just an honest assessment. After 8 years of a President (GWB) who could barely formulate a sentence, we now have someone well-spoken, intelligent and who has shown a lot of class and dignity. And in the face of unrelenting, unwarranted personal attacks unseen in the history of the US Presidency, Obama has never once stooped down to the level of his haters.
</blockquote>
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on February 22, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
As far as anti-facist, Laibach comes to mind.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 23, 2012, 12:34:45 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 21, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
Why's it called "Megadeth" anyway? Were they dyslexic?

It's a term that referred to a million-person death count from one weapon back in the good old cold war arms race days. Kill a million people in one go? Got yourself a megadeth.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 25, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
Santorum never ceases to amaze. 

Did you know that 10% of all deaths in the Netherlands are the direct result of euthanasia, and half of THOSE are forced?  That the elderly in the Netherlands are afraid to go to hospitals, for fear of being put down like rabid animals?

Diplomacy check:  FAIL.

http://themoderatevoice.com/139523/santorums-pennsylvanian-dutch-ignorance/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/dutch-outraged-over-santorums-euthanasia-clai
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Triple Zero on February 26, 2012, 01:56:30 AM
Hm, no, I wasn't aware of that.

I feel like digging up that episode of DWDD where they discussed it, should be lulzy :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Rumckle on February 29, 2012, 06:48:14 AM
This (http://weldbham.com/secondfront/2012/02/24/poll-santorum-comes-from-behind-in-alabama-three-way/) is a great headline
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 29, 2012, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 26, 2012, 01:56:30 AM
Hm, no, I wasn't aware of that.

I feel like digging up that episode of DWDD where they discussed it, should be lulzy :)

You should write to your queen about that. You don't want to be that 5% statistic where the doctors kill you for being old because they're evil Socialists.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 29, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on February 29, 2012, 06:48:14 AM
This (http://weldbham.com/secondfront/2012/02/24/poll-santorum-comes-from-behind-in-alabama-three-way/) is a great headline

:spittake:

Either the editor is a moron, or a sick bastard.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 29, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 29, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on February 29, 2012, 06:48:14 AM
This (http://weldbham.com/secondfront/2012/02/24/poll-santorum-comes-from-behind-in-alabama-three-way/) is a great headline

:spittake:

Either the editor is a moron, or a sick bastard.

Gotta be sick bastard. Remember the definition of santorum.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on February 29, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: That'll be five Twid, please. on February 29, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: Luna on February 29, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Rumckle on February 29, 2012, 06:48:14 AM
This (http://weldbham.com/secondfront/2012/02/24/poll-santorum-comes-from-behind-in-alabama-three-way/) is a great headline

:spittake:

Either the editor is a moron, or a sick bastard.

Gotta be sick bastard. Remember the definition of santorum.

I do not forget... I voted for it. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on February 29, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Even if a person in the media is a staunch Republican, I imagine they get their jabs like this in. Either for the candidate that they're supporting, or that they're really frustrated with the field this year. Or both.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on February 29, 2012, 10:26:34 PM
So, who's gonna register SantorumSurge.com?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on March 03, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: An Twidsteoir on February 16, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
That reminds me. I have to prank my friend in ohio by pretending to be a cold call from the romney campaign.

My name will be petah sottoponte from chahlztown. Petahs wicked disappointed in the gop field this yeauh and romneys the only man faw the jahb.

He hung up on me before I even got the chance. :(
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 07, 2012, 11:16:53 AM
Very good night for Mittens.  Not perfect, but North Dakota and Oklahoma are not going to swing it for Santorum.  Romney even edged out Ron Paul in Alaska, which was something of a surprise.

And poor old Newt, only gets Georgia.  He didn't even place second anywhere else, he's done so badly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
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Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: hirley0 on March 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
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Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 23, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Rasmussen has the Presidential election at 42-51 in favour of Obama over Romney.

Unless the European economy dramatically implodes (which is still possible), Romney is toast.  US recovery is weak, but still stronger than most liberal, Western democracies, and Obama can and will claim that is because he did not promote austerity measures.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on March 30, 2012, 06:34:32 AM
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nzyvo8SKa0M#t=2065s
There's a six-letter words that starts with 'n' Santorum cuts off at three (the link takes you right where you need to be). Two guesses what it is and the first doesn't count.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on March 30, 2012, 07:32:24 AM
His statistics are also complete bullshit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 04, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
Quote from: Cain on March 30, 2012, 07:32:24 AM
His statistics are also complete bullshit.

The Right loves to just make shit up.

Are the facts inconvenient? It's ok! Make shit up!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on April 04, 2012, 03:49:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on April 04, 2012, 03:07:42 AM
Quote from: Cain on March 30, 2012, 07:32:24 AM
His statistics are also complete bullshit.

The Right loves to just make shit up.

Are the facts inconvenient? It's ok! Make shit up!

Eh. They aren't as interested in facts as they are in making the rest of the world adhere to their laughable moral code.

We want more freedom! The nasty gov't controls emmisions, and wont let us buy any lightbulb we want! Tyranny!

No drugs, gay marriage, flag burning, or science classes though. It would infringe on my freedom!

Freedom!

this post was brought to you by Republicans for not Murdering Kittens. Don't be a kitten murderer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 11, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
QuoteBy Catalina Camia, USA TODAY

Newt Gingrich insists his presidential campaign is going all the way to the GOP convention in Tampa. But first the candidate needs to get on the ballot in Utah.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports Gingrich's $500 check to pay the filing fee has bounced. If the former House speaker doesn't pay up by April 20, the story says, his name won't appear on the ballot.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 11, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
The idea of a measley 500 dollar check from a campaign bouncing tickles me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on April 11, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on April 11, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
The idea of a measley 500 dollar check from a campaign bouncing tickles me.

Well, he failed to pay in at least one other state, of course.

And his wife's jewelry expenses alone have him hock for $750K.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on April 11, 2012, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 11, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
QuoteBy Catalina Camia, USA TODAY

Newt Gingrich insists his presidential campaign is going all the way to the GOP convention in Tampa. But first the candidate needs to get on the ballot in Utah.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports Gingrich's $500 check to pay the filing fee has bounced. If the former House speaker doesn't pay up by April 20, the story says, his name won't appear on the ballot.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on April 11, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
Fuckin paperhanger.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Oysters Rockefeller on April 11, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on April 11, 2012, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 11, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
QuoteBy Catalina Camia, USA TODAY

Newt Gingrich insists his presidential campaign is going all the way to the GOP convention in Tampa. But first the candidate needs to get on the ballot in Utah.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports Gingrich's $500 check to pay the filing fee has bounced. If the former House speaker doesn't pay up by April 20, the story says, his name won't appear on the ballot.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Seconded.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on April 11, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
That's fucking beautiful. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on April 12, 2012, 02:03:55 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 11, 2012, 04:08:06 PM
QuoteBy Catalina Camia, USA TODAY

Newt Gingrich insists his presidential campaign is going all the way to the GOP convention in Tampa. But first the candidate needs to get on the ballot in Utah.

The Salt Lake Tribune reports Gingrich's $500 check to pay the filing fee has bounced. If the former House speaker doesn't pay up by April 20, the story says, his name won't appear on the ballot.

That's incredible.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on April 12, 2012, 02:21:37 AM
Newt reminds me of a bloated axl rose.

Its over dude. Let it go. Start up something else.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on April 12, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Except I don't think Newt Gingrich is going to write a letter informing the Republican National Convention that he ain't going to come and that no one is allowed to talk about him. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 01, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M&context=C44c5c98ADvjVQa1PpcFN1bXIVcqsE-DQpJv14Ltpca8Dq65IuNqE%3D

A Herman Cain commercial.  The guy I got this from posited that Herman Cain is a fictional character created by a performance artist.  I think he might be right. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 01, 2012, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 01, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M&context=C44c5c98ADvjVQa1PpcFN1bXIVcqsE-DQpJv14Ltpca8Dq65IuNqE%3D

A Herman Cain commercial.  The guy I got this from posited that Herman Cain is a fictional character created by a performance artist.  I think he might be right. :lulz:

This is amazing! WHAT!?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 02, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 01, 2012, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 01, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M&context=C44c5c98ADvjVQa1PpcFN1bXIVcqsE-DQpJv14Ltpca8Dq65IuNqE%3D

A Herman Cain commercial.  The guy I got this from posited that Herman Cain is a fictional character created by a performance artist.  I think he might be right. :lulz:

This is amazing! WHAT!?

I HAVE NO IDEA!!  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 02, 2012, 05:22:36 AM
THE GOVERNMENT=CHICKENS EAT MY EYES!!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Don Coyote on May 02, 2012, 05:25:57 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 02, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 01, 2012, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 01, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M&context=C44c5c98ADvjVQa1PpcFN1bXIVcqsE-DQpJv14Ltpca8Dq65IuNqE%3D

A Herman Cain commercial.  The guy I got this from posited that Herman Cain is a fictional character created by a performance artist.  I think he might be right. :lulz:

This is amazing! WHAT!?

I HAVE NO IDEA!!  :lol:

This is very "HELLO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING AND I HAVE PANTS AREN'T MY PANTS NICE?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 02, 2012, 05:27:30 AM
Quote from: I am a Guru named Coyote on May 02, 2012, 05:25:57 AM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 02, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 01, 2012, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 01, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M&context=C44c5c98ADvjVQa1PpcFN1bXIVcqsE-DQpJv14Ltpca8Dq65IuNqE%3D

A Herman Cain commercial.  The guy I got this from posited that Herman Cain is a fictional character created by a performance artist.  I think he might be right. :lulz:

This is amazing! WHAT!?

I HAVE NO IDEA!!  :lol:

This is very "HELLO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING AND I HAVE PANTS AREN'T MY PANTS NICE?"

HIS INCOMPETENCE IS VERY HELLO!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
 :lulz:

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-4-million-debt-staffers-creditors-fume-002208567--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteNewt Gingrich ends his White House dream today with his political committee facing a mountain of debts -- owing about $4 million to scores of businesses and campaign workers around the country who fear they will never get paid.

Campaign watchdogs said the size of Gingrich's debt is extraordinary -- and could have been avoided if the candidate and his team had been more disciplined.

"He was reckless in running up these bills, especially in the last month or so of the campaign when it was quite clear that Mitt Romney would be the nominee," said Craig Holman, a government affairs lobbyist for the watchdog group Citizen Union.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
:lulz:

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-4-million-debt-staffers-creditors-fume-002208567--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteNewt Gingrich ends his White House dream today with his political committee facing a mountain of debts -- owing about $4 million to scores of businesses and campaign workers around the country who fear they will never get paid.

Campaign watchdogs said the size of Gingrich's debt is extraordinary -- and could have been avoided if the candidate and his team had been more disciplined.

"He was reckless in running up these bills, especially in the last month or so of the campaign when it was quite clear that Mitt Romney would be the nominee," said Craig Holman, a government affairs lobbyist for the watchdog group Citizen Union.

He's under the curse of a witch, clearly, and all that debt isn't his fault, and he should be getting the nomination not Romney!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2012, 05:55:41 PM
Fiscal conservatism!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Goddamn liberal gay illegal media gypsy women, cursing Newt and taking away his jaerb!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on May 03, 2012, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 03, 2012, 05:55:41 PM
Fiscal conservatism!

Beat me to it :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: E.O.T. on May 03, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
:lulz:

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-4-million-debt-staffers-creditors-fume-002208567--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteNewt Gingrich ends his White House dream today with his political committee facing a mountain of debts -- owing about $4 million to scores of businesses and campaign workers around the country who fear they will never get paid.

Campaign watchdogs said the size of Gingrich's debt is extraordinary -- and could have been avoided if the candidate and his team had been more disciplined.

"He was reckless in running up these bills, especially in the last month or so of the campaign when it was quite clear that Mitt Romney would be the nominee," said Craig Holman, a government affairs lobbyist for the watchdog group Citizen Union.

I

          still think the newt was our only real candidate, specifically for his economic budget plans.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 08:57:48 PM
(http://www.bartcop.com/romney-vs-burns-7.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
So, Dok, do you know who you're going to vote for this year?  Which candidate is funnier?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
So, Dok, do you know who you're going to vote for this year?  Which candidate is funnier?

1.  The RWN nutjob reaction to an Obama reelection would be funnier.

2.  I hate Romney with the fire of 10,000 suns.  Obama only has 2,647 suns worth of hate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
So, Dok, do you know who you're going to vote for this year?  Which candidate is funnier?

1.  The RWN nutjob reaction to an Obama reelection would be funnier.

2.  I hate Romney with the fire of 10,000 suns.  Obama only has 2,647 suns worth of hate.

A positive review for Obama if I ever heard one!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 03, 2012, 10:33:02 PM
I dunno, I think the liberal melt-down over Romney has potential to be pretty hilarious.  Especially when they get whiplash from denouncing the powers Romney assumes as President that they defended when Obama was President that they denounced when Bush was President.

Plus watching Romney's inevitable betrayal of the movement conservatives guarantees wingnut outrage into the bargain.  As will his continual flip-flopping.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 03, 2012, 10:37:52 PM
True.  I wish I could put a "but Obama isn't as bad, so don't try and change his mind" but...  :sad:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 03, 2012, 10:33:02 PM
I dunno, I think the liberal melt-down over Romney has potential to be pretty hilarious.  Especially when they get whiplash from denouncing the powers Romney assumes as President that they defended when Obama was President that they denounced when Bush was President.

Plus watching Romney's inevitable betrayal of the movement conservatives guarantees wingnut outrage into the bargain.  As will his continual flip-flopping.

Yeah, but you have to be here to understand just exactly how much concentrated butthurt the swine have already accumulated.  If Obama gets reelected, it's going to be funnier than watching 150,000,000 Nixons screeching at the press back in 1962.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 04, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
I don't even...

Romney's new campaign slogan.

"We're Not Stupid."

Seriously.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=7011
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on May 04, 2012, 03:09:37 PM
Apparently not not stupid enough to make continuous "im a filthy rich bastard hahaha" gaffes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 04, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 03, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
:lulz:

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-4-million-debt-staffers-creditors-fume-002208567--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteNewt Gingrich ends his White House dream today with his political committee facing a mountain of debts -- owing about $4 million to scores of businesses and campaign workers around the country who fear they will never get paid.

Campaign watchdogs said the size of Gingrich's debt is extraordinary -- and could have been avoided if the candidate and his team had been more disciplined.

"He was reckless in running up these bills, especially in the last month or so of the campaign when it was quite clear that Mitt Romney would be the nominee," said Craig Holman, a government affairs lobbyist for the watchdog group Citizen Union.

I

          still think the newt was our only real candidate, specifically for his economic budget plans.

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 04, 2012, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 03, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Quote from: The Freeky of SCIENCE! on May 03, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
So, Dok, do you know who you're going to vote for this year?  Which candidate is funnier?

1.  The RWN nutjob reaction to an Obama reelection would be funnier.

2.  I hate Romney with the fire of 10,000 suns.  Obama only has 2,647 suns worth of hate.

Romney scares the shit out of me, but I also think that he's our best bet for national health care, because I think the Republicans and giant corporations are more likely to be lulled into thinking he's on their side. Which he might very well be. His background could only be described as "profoundly inconsistent". He is either a Socialist masquerading as a Capitalist, or he's a very, very dangerous Capitalist with an agenda that he is somehow furthering with his time-warp 1950's Republican actions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on May 04, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
If his potential presidency is anything like his governorship hell be pretty useless. Especially if he keeps saying stupid shit. Aside from the fact he was a frequent vacationer he incurred the wrath of the massachusetts general court (state congress) by continuing to say he would clean up beacon hill after he won the election. Around the time that a politician shuts up with the rhetoric and starts playing ball. Needless to say the general court wouldnt throw him the ball once he realized the game started.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on May 04, 2012, 04:40:18 PM
Besides he doesnt seem to know what his own opinion is. He maybe good with money but i dont think politics is his strong suit. Hes a decent campaigner though.

I will point out that mass tends to favor republican governors because the general court is overwhelmingly dem- and his lt gov lost the election to a democrat. If he wins this year hell be a one term prez.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 04, 2012, 05:20:40 PM
They're already the same guy, what does it matter which one wins?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
QuoteMitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn�t having it.

�He can�t look like that. That�s wrong. Just look at him!� an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann�s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber�s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school�s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber�s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

<more at link>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html


Incidentally, Romney has admitted recently that this event took place.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on May 10, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
QuoteMitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn�t having it.

�He can�t look like that. That�s wrong. Just look at him!� an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann�s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber�s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school�s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber�s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

<more at link>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html


Incidentally, Romney has admitted recently that this event took place.

You know, I would feel differently about this if he hadn't denied remembering it, and if he had expressed remorse.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on May 11, 2012, 03:32:57 AM
Quote from: FUCK OFF on May 10, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
QuoteMitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn�t having it.

�He can�t look like that. That�s wrong. Just look at him!� an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann�s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber�s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school�s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber�s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

<more at link>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html


Incidentally, Romney has admitted recently that this event took place.

You know, I would feel differently about this if he hadn't denied remembering it, and if he had expressed remorse.

This is, apparently, Romney's idea of a "prank," which he is now excusing because he "didn't know he was gay."  So...  it's okay to have your friends hold someone down and cut off his hair while he screams for help if he's straight?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Deepthroat Chopra on May 11, 2012, 04:24:07 AM
Quote from: Luna on May 11, 2012, 03:32:57 AM
Quote from: FUCK OFF on May 10, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
QuoteMitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn�t having it.

�He can�t look like that. That�s wrong. Just look at him!� an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann�s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber�s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school�s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber�s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

<more at link>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_print.html


Incidentally, Romney has admitted recently that this event took place.

You know, I would feel differently about this if he hadn't denied remembering it, and if he had expressed remorse.

This is, apparently, Romney's idea of a "prank," which he is now excusing because he "didn't know he was gay."  So...  it's okay to have your friends hold someone down and cut off his hair while he screams for help if he's straight?

Apparently, it's quite common amongst fringe-dwellers.
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Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 04:31:49 AM
Meh, people do stupid shit as teenagers, mostly because teenagers are really fucking stupid.

What's telling is not what he did, but his reaction to it in the present. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 11, 2012, 05:14:50 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2012, 04:31:49 AM
Meh, people do stupid shit as teenagers, mostly because teenagers are really fucking stupid.

What's telling is not what he did, but his reaction to it in the present.

I don't think he comprehends when something or someone other than himself suffers. Like when he strapped his dog to the top of the car and it crapped everywhere, he just hosed the car off and kept going.

It woul be interesting to see psych evals on a lot of these guys.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on May 11, 2012, 11:19:12 AM
Yeah.

The fact that he claims to not have remembered the incident means one of two things. Well. Three. Hes a lying asshole. Hes so much of an asshole that he cant remember all the asshole things hes done throughout his life. Hes going senile. The last one at least has the benefit of explaining why his position is constantly changing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
Its not the not remembering.  It was the not caring, "I'm sorry if you were offended" bullshit.

Then again, he's probably got at least one spin doctor telling him that forcibly cutting the long hair of a hippie faggot will go down well with the GOP base.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Precious Moments Zalgo on May 11, 2012, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
Its not the not remembering.  It was the not caring, "I'm sorry if you were offended" bullshit.

Then again, he's probably got at least one spin doctor telling him that forcibly cutting the long hair of a hippie faggot will go down well with the GOP base.
Obama announced his support for gay marriage, while Romney announces his opposition and is revealed to have been a high school bully.

The latest Rasmussen poll now shows Romney with a 7% (50-43) lead over Obama, his largest ever.

Are these facts related?  I don't want to fall victim to the "after this, therefore because of this fallacy".  The story where I read about the poll said that the respondents were most concerned about the economy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 06:19:56 PM
Ramussen can be a bit unreliable when it comes to Democrat versus Republican.  You need to factor in a 2-4% margin of error for their statistics, in my experience.

Obama coming out for gay marriage shouldn't have harmed him - he actually waited until the polls showed an overall majority in favour of gay marriage before saying anything (look at this graph (http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7838453/obamas-evolution.thtml) for confirmation).

If Romney will win for any reason, it will be the economy.  Most voters seem to accept Obama was dealt a shitty hand by Bush, but if Team Romney can shift that perception, then their chances of success rise considerably.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 11, 2012, 06:30:10 PM
Cain, what's a reliable source for polls and statistics like that?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 06:41:00 PM
Quinnipiac and SurveyUSA are the most reliable, with 3.3 and 3.5 errors of margin, respectively.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on May 11, 2012, 06:41:50 PM
Awesome, I'll be checking them out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 11, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 11, 2012, 06:19:56 PM
Ramussen can be a bit unreliable when it comes to Democrat versus Republican. 

Well, yeah, Murdoch owns them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 11, 2012, 06:50:21 PM
Most polls do, for some reason, exhibit a very slight bias in favour of Republicans anyway.  Even the above two, when they got it wrong, got it more wrong in favour of the GOP than the Donkle (by 0.7% - not a huge amount and likely statistically irrelevant, but still).

Ramussen in particular have a problem where they are in charge of FOX News' Polls, under another name (Pulse Opinion Polling, I think), and they then use data from that to inform their other polls.  Which of course, is stupid, if you want to know what the actual truth is.

But then, polling isn't necessarily about the truth.  Pollsters often act as spin doctors and political advisors.  If you want to create a narrative of inevitability about a candidate, or inflate a certain someone's chances...a slightly inaccurate poll may be just what the doctor ordered.

tl;dr everything you need to know about how modern political campaigns are run can be discovered by studying Tony Blair's 1997 victory.  Philip Gould in particular, who died quite recently, was very effective as a political strategist because of his background in polling.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 12, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
Matt Taibbi has upset the fee-fees of Democrats everywhere by pointing out that Romney is a boring centrist much like Obama

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/is-this-the-most-boring-election-ever-20120507

QuoteThe people who work for the wire services and the news networks are physically incapable of writing sentences like, "This election is even more over than the Knicks-Heat series." They are required, if not by law then by neurological reflex, to describe every presidential campaign as "fierce" and "drawn-out" and "hotly-contested."

But this campaign, relatively speaking, will not be fierce or hotly contested. Instead it'll be disappointing, embarrassing, and over very quickly, like a hand job in a Bangkok bathhouse. And everybody knows it. It's just impossible to take Mitt Romney seriously as a presidential candidate. Even the news reporters who are paid to drum up dramatic undertones are having a hard time selling Romney as half of a titanic title bout.

QuoteThe Republican base is angrier and more determined than it ever has been, yet Republican voters picked as their nominee the one candidate in their slate of primary challengers who depresses them. This is exactly the John Kerry scenario. Kerry was never going to win, either, and everyone pretty much knew that, too. But at least in the Kerry-Bush race there was a tremendous national debate over the Iraq war, which many people (incorrectly, probably) thought might end more quickly if a Democrat was elected.

This year, it's not like that. Obviously Republican voters do hate Obama and genuinely believe he's created a brutally repressive socialist paradigm with his health care law, among other things. But Romney was a pioneer of health care laws, and there will be dampened enthusiasm on the Republican side for putting him in office.

Meanwhile, Obama has turned out to represent continuity with the Bush administration on a range of key issues, from torture to rendition to economic deregulation. Obama is doing things with extralegal drone strikes that would have liberals marching in the streets if they'd been done by Bush.

In other words, Obama versus McCain actually felt like a clash of ideological opposites. But Obama and Romney feels like a contest between two calculating centrists, fighting for the right to serve as figurehead atop a bloated state apparatus that will operate according to the same demented imperial logic irrespective of who wins the White House. George Bush's reign highlighted the enormous power of the individual president to drive policy, which made the elections involving him compelling contests; Obama's first term has highlighted the timeless power of the intractable bureaucracy underneath the president, which is kind of a bummer, when you think about it.

Then there's one more thing – Obama versus Romney is the worst reality show on TV since the Tila Tequila days. The characters are terrible, there's no suspense, and the biggest thing is, it lacks both spontaneity and a gross-out factor. In Reality TV, if you don't have really sexy half-naked young people scheming against each other over campfires in the Cook Islands, you need to have grown men eating millipedes or chicks in bikinis drinking donkey semen. And if you don't have that, you really need Sarah Palin.

This race has none of that. Biden is the best character in the series, but for exactly that reason the Obama administration would be wise to bury crazy Joe in a salt mine until the election is over. (The networks have skillfully teased the Frasier-style future spinoff show from this election – the inevitable Hillary-Biden race in 2016 – but they're keeping most of that action under wraps for now). Romney will no doubt stoop to some truly appalling attacks before the election season is over, but he'll do so out of sheer, boring calculation. He's not insane, which is a tremendous insult to a Republican politician.

A thousand liberal blogs have sprung into action, denouncing Comrade Taibbi for his Moral Equivalence Deviationism and shouting "no, this is the most important election EVER", ignoring things like recent history or common sense to make their "point".
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Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on May 12, 2012, 01:59:11 PM
Isn't every election the most important election ever? I mean, sure, I love to watch Republicans lose but only for the fact that they're so easy to hate. Plus, they're more entertaining as losers than Democrats are. But I can think of some elections that were way more significant than this one.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 15, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Reading between the lines on this, it looks like Ron Paul is losing control of his activist base

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/ron-paul-admits-he-will-not-be-president/257167/

QuoteThe campaign, Paul said, "will continue to work in the state convention process" in order to "carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future. Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted."

There are 11 states that have yet to hold presidential primaries, from Oregon and Nebraska, which vote on Tuesday, to Paul's home state of Texas on May 29, and finally Utah on June 26. Paul said competing in those states "with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have."

Though the statement is a bit cryptic, it seems to be a message directed mainly at Paul's activist following. The message: Cool it.

In recent weeks, Paul supporters have increasingly been making trouble at local Republican Party conventions, even as they've succeeded in gaining delegates in several states. This past weekend, Paul delegates in Oklahoma got in a physical altercation with Mitt Romney's delegates, and in Arizona, Paul backers booed Romney's son Josh. A Paul supporter even interrupted Herman Cain at a GOP gathering in Virginia on Saturday.

Paul has tried to dispel the notion that his fans are actually a legion of saboteurs bent on making a scene at the national GOP convention in Tampa in August. "It certainly isn't for the reason of disrupting a convention," Paul told CNN last week. And his campaign publicly disavowed Paul-supporting activists' attempts to take over the state party in Idaho.

Paul and his team are, according to sources familiar with their thinking, deeply uncomfortable with the spectacles staged on his behalf. But more than that, they see the chaos as a threat to Paul's long-term goals.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 15, 2012, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 15, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
Reading between the lines on this, it looks like Ron Paul is losing control of his activist base

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/ron-paul-admits-he-will-not-be-president/257167/

We saw this in the last election, when some of Paul's stalwarts tried to mob Sean Hannity.  Also, the neck-stomping thing in Kentucky (or was it Tennessee?).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 15, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
Kentucky, but I think that was Rand Paul.  I suspect there is a lot of overlap in support though, to be honest.  Not to mention when Ron Paul gives up campaigning for the Presidency, I am fairly certain he is going to hand over his support network to Rand.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on May 21, 2012, 09:38:59 PM
Bain Capital is fucking up Democratic strategery

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/205025-dems-receive-more-bain-dollars-than-gop

QuoteDemocrats have accepted more political donations than Republicans from executives at Bain Capital, complicating the left's plan to attack Mitt Romney for his record at the private-equity firm.

During the last three election cycles, Bain employees have given Democratic candidates and party committees more than $1.2 million. The vast majority of that sum came from senior executives.

Republican candidates and party committees raised over $480,000 from senior Bain executives during that time period.

Oops.  That rather complicates the plan of tying Romney to Wall Street, doesn't it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on June 07, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
Romney has apparently chosen to stuff his foot in his mouth up to the kneecap.

QuoteMitt Romney: I find it amazing that we have troops in harm's way around the world - in Afghanistan right now, in Iraq the first three years of this president's term. He doesn't go on TV every month and talk to the American people about the sacrifice being made by these men and women. I find it extraordinary that a very few number of families are paying the price of freedom in America. The hurdle to actually putting our troops in harm's way is very, very high, and the test is America's interests. Our security interests. And they have to be involved in a very significant way to deploy our troops.

This... from a draft dodger.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/08/1052774/-The-Most-Disgusting-Comment-In-Last-Night-s-Debate
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on June 07, 2012, 07:23:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on June 07, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
Romney has apparently chosen to stuff his foot in his mouth up to the kneecap.

QuoteMitt Romney: I find it amazing that we have troops in harm's way around the world - in Afghanistan right now, in Iraq the first three years of this president's term. He doesn't go on TV every month and talk to the American people about the sacrifice being made by these men and women. I find it extraordinary that a very few number of families are paying the price of freedom in America. The hurdle to actually putting our troops in harm's way is very, very high, and the test is America's interests. Our security interests. And they have to be involved in a very significant way to deploy our troops.

This... from a draft dodger.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/08/1052774/-The-Most-Disgusting-Comment-In-Last-Night-s-Debate

That doesn't look like foot in mouth to me.  Romney appears to be taking an anti-war stance.   I think it is bullshit, but he is trying to portray himself as the "bring the troops home" candidate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on June 07, 2012, 05:36:27 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on June 07, 2012, 07:23:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on June 07, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
Romney has apparently chosen to stuff his foot in his mouth up to the kneecap.

QuoteMitt Romney: I find it amazing that we have troops in harm's way around the world - in Afghanistan right now, in Iraq the first three years of this president's term. He doesn't go on TV every month and talk to the American people about the sacrifice being made by these men and women. I find it extraordinary that a very few number of families are paying the price of freedom in America. The hurdle to actually putting our troops in harm's way is very, very high, and the test is America's interests. Our security interests. And they have to be involved in a very significant way to deploy our troops.

This... from a draft dodger.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/08/1052774/-The-Most-Disgusting-Comment-In-Last-Night-s-Debate

That doesn't look like foot in mouth to me.  Romney appears to be taking an anti-war stance.   I think it is bullshit, but he is trying to portray himself as the "bring the troops home" candidate.

You fucking idiot.  He's talking about universal conscription.

QuoteI find it extraordinary that a very few number of families are paying the price of freedom in America.

For Iran.

QuoteThe hurdle to actually putting our troops in harm's way is very, very high, and the test is America's interests. Our security interests. And they have to be involved in a very significant way to deploy our troops.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 26, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
QuoteA foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney's campaign warned against policies that would aid "the Soviet Union" Wednesday, making him at least the third person from Team Romney — including Romney himself — to refer to a country that hasn't existed since 1991 in the course of attacking President Obama's foreign policy.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-soviet-threat-again.php

Out of touch?  Not Mittens!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Phox on July 26, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on July 26, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
QuoteA foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney's campaign warned against policies that would aid "the Soviet Union" Wednesday, making him at least the third person from Team Romney — including Romney himself — to refer to a country that hasn't existed since 1991 in the course of attacking President Obama's foreign policy.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-soviet-threat-again.php

Out of touch?  Not Mittens!
I believe they are referring to this incident:
http://www.kaneva.com/asset/assetDetails.aspx?assetId=4153745&communityId=0
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 12:45:22 PM
I really hope Mitt isn't a communist sympathizer or Pro-communist.

Otherwise Sexyfish is infact a russian spy.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
The romney campaign is up to date on foreign affairs! Fuck general secretary putin!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
The romney campaign is up to date on foreign affairs! Fuck general secretary putin!

Now let's see if he can see Russia from the west coast using his super eyesight like Sarah palin who uses it to spot and target deer for hunting.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Romneys on (occasionally) the east coast but usually in michigan which is central coast.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Scratch that actually his campaign headquarters are here in boston
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 26, 2012, 03:57:33 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 03:55:50 PM
Scratch that actually his campaign headquarters are here in boston
:evil:
Oh, really?

Fascinating...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Romneys on (occasionally) the east coast but usually in michigan which is central coast.

If i was American, uneducated and gullible I'd vote Mitt Romney on the basis on whether he could kill a live moose with his bare hands.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 26, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
Go, Mitt, go!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179309/Mayor-Boris-Johnson-attacking-Mitt-Romney-Olympic-torch-arrives-London.html

QuoteMitt Romney suffered yet another humiliation as he was jeered by thousands of Brits tonight after London's mayor publicly mocked the presidential hopeful's gaffe over the UK's ability to host the Olympics.

It capped a disastrous day in London for Romney after he kicked off his first foreign tour - as an entire city has appeared to turn against him.

Speaking in front of 60,000 assembled in Hyde Park at a concert to mark the end of the Olympic Torch relay, Mayor Boris Johnson used Romney's earlier remarks as a rallying cry.

He shouted to the crowd: 'There's guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know if we are ready. Are we ready? Yes we are!'

Nothing like kicking off your tour in a country you insulted in an interview... 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Thats just the liberal lamestream media talking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 26, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: Luna on July 26, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
Go, Mitt, go!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2179309/Mayor-Boris-Johnson-attacking-Mitt-Romney-Olympic-torch-arrives-London.html

QuoteMitt Romney suffered yet another humiliation as he was jeered by thousands of Brits tonight after London's mayor publicly mocked the presidential hopeful's gaffe over the UK's ability to host the Olympics.

It capped a disastrous day in London for Romney after he kicked off his first foreign tour - as an entire city has appeared to turn against him.

Speaking in front of 60,000 assembled in Hyde Park at a concert to mark the end of the Olympic Torch relay, Mayor Boris Johnson used Romney's earlier remarks as a rallying cry.

He shouted to the crowd: 'There's guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know if we are ready. Are we ready? Yes we are!'

Nothing like kicking off your tour in a country you insulted in an interview...

This brings a huge smile to my face.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 26, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Thats just the liberal lamestream media talking.

Actually, it's the Daily Mail, which means it's 99.9% likely to be bullshit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 11:25:25 PM
Didnt catch the source. Daily mails not that reliable. Noted.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 27, 2012, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 26, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Thats just the liberal lamestream media talking.

Actually, it's the Daily Mail, which means it's 99.9% likely to be bullshit.

Would USA Today be better?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/story/2012-07-26/David-Cameron-Mitt-Romney-Olympics/56498700/1

QuoteAt a press conference outside the Olympic Stadium, Cameron was asked about the Republican presidential candidate's doubts that Britain can carry off the Olympic Games, which start Friday.

"Look at what we're capable of achieving as a nation, even in difficult times" Cameron said, gesturing to the gleaming new stadium at his back. "Look behind me at this extraordinary Olympic Park, built from nothing in seven years."

Cameron also took issue with Romney's suggestion that the British, who are often deeply divided along regional lines, might not unite in support of the Games.

Romney has, of course, performed his traditional flip-flop and backed off the position.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:14:15 AM
Quote from: Luna on July 27, 2012, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 26, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Thats just the liberal lamestream media talking.

Actually, it's the Daily Mail, which means it's 99.9% likely to be bullshit.

Would USA Today be better?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/story/2012-07-26/David-Cameron-Mitt-Romney-Olympics/56498700/1

QuoteAt a press conference outside the Olympic Stadium, Cameron was asked about the Republican presidential candidate's doubts that Britain can carry off the Olympic Games, which start Friday.

"Look at what we're capable of achieving as a nation, even in difficult times" Cameron said, gesturing to the gleaming new stadium at his back. "Look behind me at this extraordinary Olympic Park, built from nothing in seven years."

Cameron also took issue with Romney's suggestion that the British, who are often deeply divided along regional lines, might not unite in support of the Games.

Romney has, of course, performed his traditional flip-flop and backed off the position.

I said it on Yahoo News the other day (something about Democrats are liars but Republicans are incapable of telling the truth)- you ask Romney the same question twice and he'll give you 5 different answers. He was a relatively tame governor because he didn't stand for anything except one rich white dude with his eyes on the White House.

Honestly, I'm surprised the fucker won the election here, even if O'Brien was not a particularly appealing candidate either. I can only assume sexism. I mean, we had already had two Republican governors IN A ROW who bailed for higher positions, and Acting Governor Swift probably would have too if not for Romney suddenly coming out of Utah and registering Belmont as his primary residence shortly before he decided to run and so outdoing Swift that she ended up crying on TV and bowing out. Honestly I would have preferred Romney to fuck off and Swift to win the primary. To Romney's credit, he did stay his full term.... which ended around the same time that the campaign for the 2008 Presidential elections started up.... and which Romney participated in....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:23:47 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that, politically speaking, Romney as President wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if you're ok with out of touch entitled douchebags with no solid opinion on anything other than beating up gay kids and being such a regular douche and/or liar that he can't remember the incident, who lies about other shit to your face anyway and won't even win the state he was Governor in, and has immediately proven himself inept in foreign policy with our special friend forever England as the President of the United States, then well, more power to you.

He'll take more vacation time than any other president. He's like a lazier, douchier, paler, less likeable Obama. So, more of the same, but with more collective vomit swallowing and more involuntary haircuts.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Sir Bearington on July 27, 2012, 07:53:15 AM
Quote from: The Dead Reverend Roger on July 26, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 26, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Thats just the liberal lamestream media talking.

Actually, it's the Daily Mail, which means it's 99.9% likely to be bullshit.

The daily mail is mostly made up of exaggerated bullshit, regardless of whether its true or not.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on July 27, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:23:47 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that, politically speaking, Romney as President wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if you're ok with out of touch entitled douchebags with no solid opinion on anything other than beating up gay kids and being such a regular douche and/or liar that he can't remember the incident, who lies about other shit to your face anyway and won't even win the state he was Governor in, and has immediately proven himself inept in foreign policy with our special friend forever England as the President of the United States, then well, more power to you.

He'll take more vacation time than any other president. He's like a lazier, douchier, paler, less likeable Obama. So, more of the same, but with more collective vomit swallowing and more involuntary haircuts.

The biggest issue with Romney seems to be that he's willing to be led by those around him... and he surrounds himself with people who think they can legislate away rights.

Also:

http://www.politicususa.com/romney-shambles-britain-proclaims-worse-sarah-palin.html

My nomination for best line in a political review:

QuoteNot since World War II has London seen a bombing as thorough as Mitt Romney's.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on July 27, 2012, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:14:15 AM
Honestly, I'm surprised the fucker won the election here, even if O'Brien was not a particularly appealing candidate either. I can only assume sexism.

A simpler explanation: Everyone living West of 495.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 27, 2012, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:14:15 AM
Honestly, I'm surprised the fucker won the election here, even if O'Brien was not a particularly appealing candidate either. I can only assume sexism.

A simpler explanation: Everyone living West of 495.

Fair point.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 04:49:05 PM
Quote from: Luna on July 27, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Bruce Twiddleton on July 27, 2012, 06:23:47 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that, politically speaking, Romney as President wouldn't be the worse thing in the world if you're ok with out of touch entitled douchebags with no solid opinion on anything other than beating up gay kids and being such a regular douche and/or liar that he can't remember the incident, who lies about other shit to your face anyway and won't even win the state he was Governor in, and has immediately proven himself inept in foreign policy with our special friend forever England as the President of the United States, then well, more power to you.

He'll take more vacation time than any other president. He's like a lazier, douchier, paler, less likeable Obama. So, more of the same, but with more collective vomit swallowing and more involuntary haircuts.

The biggest issue with Romney seems to be that he's willing to be led by those around him... and he surrounds himself with people who think they can legislate away rights.

Also:

http://www.politicususa.com/romney-shambles-britain-proclaims-worse-sarah-palin.html

My nomination for best line in a political review:

QuoteNot since World War II has London seen a bombing as thorough as Mitt Romney's.


:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 01, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Yeah, so Romney is getting literally everything wrong, and no one really cares.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/poles-apart-2/

QuoteSo on the third leg of his foreign tour, Mr. Bean Mitt Romney lavished praise on the Polish economy. It wasn't quite as big a blooper as his praise for Israel's single-payer-plus-price controls health care system, but it wasn't good.

For one thing, Poland has substantially bigger government than the US; in 2007, that is, pre-crisis, the Polish government spent 42 percent of GDP, compared with 37 in the United States. And despite what Romney claimed, there was no obvious trend toward smaller government; Polish spending as a share of GDP was about the same in 2007 as it had been in 2000.

Oh, and universal health care too.

...

Poland's success suggests that (a) big government isn't so bad (b) sometimes its good to debase your currency.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 02:52:30 PM
Yeah, so Romney is getting literally everything wrong, and no one really cares.

He's looking like a loser, while Obama is just smiling his ass off.

It doesn't matter if anyone cares.  Romney is shaping up to be the next Kerry.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 01, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
He's looking like a loser to those who are paying attention.


Which is, apparently, only about 45% of the country (http://www.nationalpolls.com/national.html).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 01, 2012, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 01, 2012, 03:04:49 PM
He's looking like a loser to those who are paying attention.


Which is, apparently, only about 45% of the country (http://www.nationalpolls.com/national.html).

Polls are universally crap.

Fact is, Romney is constantly playing catch up against an encumbent.  He has no momentum, and nobody in his own party likes him.  He's off-balance and out of his league.

My guess is that ~ 10% of republicans will stay home in November.

I give it to Obama at +5% of the popular vote, and 100 electoral votes, due to the popular vote distribution.

The American people will forgive anything but a loser. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 01, 2012, 03:41:23 PM
While I do think that Obama will end up winning, it's worth remembering that people who oppose him are crazy. It's the anybody but Obama thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Salty on August 01, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
What I think is of paramount importance is not whether Romney is a complete idiot, or turns around "facts" any way he pleases with no regard for fact checking, or gets outrageous tax credits, or is a total hypocrite. No. That is par for course. That is his station. It's what he does. Could you imagine him doing anything else.

There are people out there KIND and LOVING and mostly intelligent people out there who oppose Obama. Sometimes it is simple greed, sometimes it's misguided concern that we've all felt at one time or another. The idea that SOMETHING needs to be set Right. I blame talk radio.

Then again NO I don't blame talk radio. You'll have to pardon me if I sound a little like a libertarian when I say: That is your responsibility. You have a responsibility to empower your brain meat with something like the truth. Choosing not to is like choosing not to intake oxygen, eat food, or come into physical contact with human beings.

What I'm saying is if you can't to the former PLEASE STOP DOING THE LATTER KTHX.

What drive me up the wall is not the rhetoric, it's the way the rhetoric is eaten up. I know we are all supposed to be special unique little snowflakes assholes, and we aren't supposed to take groups of people and launch their withered minds directly into the SUN because that's bad.

Those are people, right? Wrong. Those aren't people. Not until they start acting like it. And you know what makes people act human? Fear.

And you know, maybe that's where a certain kind of mind will start fantasizing about automatic weapons and innocent bystanders. But I know better, I have the HOLY FUCKING LIGHT. And you can't just pick and choose.

Nope. Every election year I am reminded of the axiomatic FACT that all humans must be destroyed.

OR KILL ME.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on August 01, 2012, 11:18:02 PM
Rah!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Romney has chosen Ryan as his VP pick, announcing it during the olympics (hence the fact that nobody heard about it).

For both of the above facts, it is now apparent that Romney's campaign is being run by autistic spider monkeys.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Romney has chosen Ryan as his VP pick, announcing it during the olympics (hence the fact that nobody heard about it).

For both of the above facts, it is now apparent that Romney's campaign is being run by autistic spider monkeys.

This actually made me cackle. Loudly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 12, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Romney has chosen Ryan as his VP pick, announcing it during the olympics (hence the fact that nobody heard about it).

For both of the above facts, it is now apparent that Romney's campaign is being run by autistic spider monkeys.

This actually made me cackle. Loudly.
What's so dumb about running "Put the old bastards on ice floes" Ryan, when you have an aging population?

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 12, 2012, 06:37:40 PM
It was also announced 6am on a Saturday morning, during said Olympics.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 12, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
It's almost like they're trying to throw the election.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 12, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
That's what its starting to feel like. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Telarus on August 12, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
What if they're being paid to throw the election?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 12, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
I think they're banking on America being so fed up with Obama that they could run just anybody and win. They're just showing off how extreme they can go and still be considered a threat. The sad part is they could be right.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 12, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
Polls don't look good for Romney though, and Ryan could easily end up another Palin, if the Democrats run even a half competent smear campaign.  Most people don't know who he is, and those who do have a slightly negative opinion of him (except in Teabagger and Beltway circles, where he's simply marvellous - see Will Saletan's wanking over Ryan in his most recent article).

I suspect this is another part of Romney's signalling to the financial services industry that he is their guy, way more than Obama will ever be.  Ryan has the largest campaign chest of any currently sitting Congressman, despite actually being one of the least well off, and it's paid for almost entirely by the financial services industry - and he has more funding from them than any other congressman either.  Ryan placates the hardliners in the party who are worried about Moderate Romney returning, as well.

That said, bringing in Ryan is a huge risk for the Republicans.  As Chairman of the House Budget Committee, he has a huge amount of say over fiscal policy, and his hardline views make it difficult to sway him to a more reasonable position.  But he has to leave that position to be part of Romney's campaign. 

He's also a career politician, with little in the way of life experience outside of DC...which rather contradicts Romney's whole platform, that success in the private sector is what will save America, and expertise like that, rather than professional politicians and community organisers, is needed in the White House.

Also, given both have extremely limited executive experience, especially when it comes to foreign policy, this mean's Romney's team of advisors will like dictate policy in those areas.  It just so happens Romney's advisors are, by and large, neoconservative nutjobs.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2012, 02:13:53 AM
Cain, there's another possibility that you and Vex are overlooking.

The GOP could just be batshit insane with butthurt, as an organization.  Not just some advisors, but the whole damn thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 13, 2012, 02:39:05 AM
Quote from: Telarus on August 12, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
What if they're being paid to throw the election?

Part of my mind assumes that's how it works.

Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 02:13:53 AM
Cain, there's another possibility that you and Vex are overlooking.

The GOP could just be batshit insane with butthurt, as an organization.  Not just some advisors, but the whole damn thing.

The other part of my mind is going HAR HAR. THIS.  :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 13, 2012, 02:52:29 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

He picked the official class brown nose. It's in the yearbook.  :lulz:
http://www.theatlantic.com/​technology/archive/2012/08/​paul-ryan-brown-noser-the-wikip​edia-edit-wars-begin-for-romne​ys-running-mate/261022/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 13, 2012, 03:50:18 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 13, 2012, 02:52:29 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

He picked the official class brown nose. It's in the yearbook.  :lulz:
http://www.theatlantic.com/​technology/archive/2012/08/​paul-ryan-brown-noser-the-wikip​edia-edit-wars-begin-for-romne​ys-running-mate/261022/

:lulz:   :lulz:   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2012, 01:35:28 PM
One of the young'uns, might have been Nast or Paesor, once coined my favorite phrase ever:

"Everyone's in the club car, nobody's driving the train."

:lulz:

It has never been more appropriate.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 13, 2012, 08:06:05 PM
He could have chosen any number of Tea Party favoured nutters, however,  Rubio and Jindal come to mind.  Jindal, hideous political views aside, would not have been an entirely terrible choice.  Rubio would have been, but it would have pleased the Teabaggers and commentators just as much, and allowed for tons of nonsense about "winning back the Latino vote".

That out of all of those he chose Ryan sends a pretty clear signal - this is about giving the banks and the financial services geeks a sloppy blowjob.

All that said, Ryan doesn't seem to have learnt how to talk like a politician, given the incredible amount of truth in this 2007 statement (http://charliedavis.blogspot.com/2007/10/cost-of-war.html):

Quote"[Since Democrats took over Congress] we've heard comparisons about how much we are spending on the war as opposed to children's health insurance or education programs or what have you. But nothing has really changed. The president continues to send his war funding requests to the Hill and, in the end, he continues to get what he asks for."

You nearly gave the game away, d00d.  Remember, Democrats, peacenik, cheese-eating surrendur monkeys who hate the military, Republicans heroic, steak eating men of hard choices and going to war.  You can't just go around pointing out both sides are part of the same hyper-militarized political-economical system whose token resistance is used to divide the native population through the ever useful game of "the lesser of two evils".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 13, 2012, 08:15:34 PM
He needed someone who wasn't going to be horrendously boring like Pawlenty, but also someone who wasn't as fat as Christie.  Plus, I gotta think Christie has written Romney off, and is himself eyeing a run for President in 2016.  He doesn't want Romney's doomed candidacy to taint his chances. 


But in the end it is still a stupid choice.  I mean, he just gave Obama something I imagine he was relishing.  A chance to run against the insanity of the House GOP, and Ryan is pretty much the figurehead for that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.

Which pretty much means that Romney's going to win this for sure.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 13, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.

Which pretty much means that Romney's going to win this for sure.

Either Romney's going to win, or Obama's going to win. Either way, there's only a .5% chance that anything will change for the better - and if that happens, it'll have nothing to do with who won this election.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.

Which pretty much means that Romney's going to win this for sure.

Either Romney's going to win, or Obama's going to win. Either way, there's only a .5% chance that anything will change for the better - and if that happens, it'll have nothing to do with who won this election.

I'm really counting on global warming, here.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.

He's a fucking cartoon.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 14, 2012, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.

Which pretty much means that Romney's going to win this for sure.

Either Romney's going to win, or Obama's going to win. Either way, there's only a .5% chance that anything will change for the better - and if that happens, it'll have nothing to do with who won this election.

I'm really counting on global warming, here.

Excellent idea.

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1715856/vgw.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 14, 2012, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: v3x on August 14, 2012, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 13, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
Serious analysis:

Romney's assumption is that there's no way to win the election by moving to the center, because that will alienate half of his base and they'll stay home, and nobody likes him very much at either end, so a move to the center isn't likely to increase his chances anyway. He picked Ryan because it will shore up and energize the GOP base, adding Tea Party cred to the ticket. His strategy is to strengthen and fill out the GOP's base and maximize the number of likely voters, and hope that too many Dems just don't feel like going outside on election day. Ultimately, choosing Ryan says nothing about Romney's actual positions or beliefs (if he has any), but it says a lot about his having given up on winning over anybody sane.

ETA: I don't actually think this needs any more serious analysis than Roger's assumption that they're all a pile of bat shit crazy window-licking asylum cases, which is a perfectly adequate observation.

Which pretty much means that Romney's going to win this for sure.

Either Romney's going to win, or Obama's going to win. Either way, there's only a .5% chance that anything will change for the better - and if that happens, it'll have nothing to do with who won this election.

I'm really counting on global warming, here.

Excellent idea.

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1715856/vgw.png)

Perfect.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 14, 2012, 12:40:29 AM
Romney's not looking good.  Any poll from before the middle of September is suspect for anything more than guaging the general mood of the country...and at most, these gave Romney 1-2% leads.  Just before Ryan, they were showing a much wider gap in Obama's favour, and while Ryan may rally the Teabaggers, I don't see him winning much in the way of moderate votes.

He really started to struggle around the time his "world tour" (shit, I can visit three countries in the space of an afternoon...on foot), though I'm not sure his terrible performance is related to the dip in the polls.

If the economy bombs, then I suspect there will be a greater amount of votes for Romney and more stay at home Democrats.  It is possible...the jobs report is getting worse, Europe is a mess, China is a mess....so far, the only good news for the Obama campaign is that Bibi's insane plan to attack Iran before the 2012 elections does not have the support of his cabinet....for now at least.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Da6s on August 14, 2012, 01:08:21 AM
Daily Kos (Bias blah blah) posted an interesting article with several pics of batshit floridian headlines: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119510/-PANIC-MSM-Romney-is-in-Big-Big-Trouble (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/12/1119510/-PANIC-MSM-Romney-is-in-Big-Big-Trouble)

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3880/ryan6i.jpg)


Somehow this makes me feel better.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 14, 2012, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.

He's a fucking cartoon.

I trust you.

But I want to be in europe before 2016. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off.

Probably can't, TBH.  :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 14, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

In other cheese related news, Paul Ryan tears up at a rally where he reveals he has a terminal blood disease:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ryan-tears-wisconsin-rally-veins-bleed-cheese-004528853.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 14, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
Another interesting side note-

The Green Party's pick for candidate is Jill Stein. What's interesting about this, is that she ran against Romney in 2002 for MA governor. Not sure if that's happened before- two candidates for president have run against each other for governor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 14, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 14, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

In other cheese related news, Paul Ryan tears up at a rally where he reveals he has a terminal blood disease:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ryan-tears-wisconsin-rally-veins-bleed-cheese-004528853.html
:lulz: Damn, I was hoping it was an actual terminal disease, not a silly metaphor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 14, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 14, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 14, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

In other cheese related news, Paul Ryan tears up at a rally where he reveals he has a terminal blood disease:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ryan-tears-wisconsin-rally-veins-bleed-cheese-004528853.html
:lulz: Damn, I was hoping it was an actual terminal disease, not a silly metaphor.

Not me.  I didn't think he'd manage to find a nutbar crazier than Bachmann...  I think Mittens actually exceeded my expectations, here...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 14, 2012, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 14, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

In other cheese related news, Paul Ryan tears up at a rally where he reveals he has a terminal blood disease:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ryan-tears-wisconsin-rally-veins-bleed-cheese-004528853.html

Crotch cheese?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2012, 02:31:16 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 14, 2012, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 14, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 13, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
Bloody hell, I go away for a couple weeks, and Romney's cheese slips even further off his cracker...

In other cheese related news, Paul Ryan tears up at a rally where he reveals he has a terminal blood disease:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ryan-tears-wisconsin-rally-veins-bleed-cheese-004528853.html

Crotch cheese?

Ewww....
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2012, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 14, 2012, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.

He's a fucking cartoon.

I trust you.

But I want to be in europe before 2016. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off.

Probably can't, TBH.  :x

You mean the Europe where Ryan like ideas about austerity are increasingly and disturbingly popular, and everyone's budgets are subject to the whims of Germany?  Sure, our welfare systems are more developed, but they're under an equally sustained attack, and German fiscal policy makes deficit spending to stimulate the economy impossible, under EU law.  And in Europe, rather than have the dipshits out in the open, they're more diffuse and generally more suave, couching their terms in the language of economic and fiscal necessity and generally being members of European commissions that have no democratic accountability and that no-one has ever heard of. 

The only country whose budget is not open to German revision is the UK, and our political class are all equally committed to cuts. The Tories have their own libertarian dipshits, who are only currently held at bay by the fact that David Cameron is personable on TV and they are not, and who would gladly welcome in the IMF to restructure the entire UK economy by the preferred method of privatising everything, especially education and the NHS.  And the UK is likely to follow the American route of political deadlock anyway, with no party commanding a majority and increasing unstable coalition governments taking charge, for the short term.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2012, 10:00:38 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2012, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 14, 2012, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.

He's a fucking cartoon.

I trust you.

But I want to be in europe before 2016. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off.

Probably can't, TBH.  :x

You mean the Europe where Ryan like ideas about austerity are increasingly and disturbingly popular, and everyone's budgets are subject to the whims of Germany?  Sure, our welfare systems are more developed, but they're under an equally sustained attack, and German fiscal policy makes deficit spending to stimulate the economy impossible, under EU law.  And in Europe, rather than have the dipshits out in the open, they're more diffuse and generally more suave, couching their terms in the language of economic and fiscal necessity and generally being members of European commissions that have no democratic accountability and that no-one has ever heard of. 

The only country whose budget is not open to German revision is the UK, and our political class are all equally committed to cuts. The Tories have their own libertarian dipshits, who are only currently held at bay by the fact that David Cameron is personable on TV and they are not, and who would gladly welcome in the IMF to restructure the entire UK economy by the preferred method of privatising everything, especially education and the NHS.  And the UK is likely to follow the American route of political deadlock anyway, with no party commanding a majority and increasing unstable coalition governments taking charge, for the short term.

Thanks for this- I'll put it to some good use next time I hear about how Socialism is keeping Europe in a rough spot economically.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 16, 2012, 12:44:14 PM
To be perfectly honest, any time I hear "[X ideology] is responsible for minute variations in economic output" I wanna bang my head against a wall.  "Socialism" isn't an explanation, it's propaganda.  Europe is the world's largest economy.  High standards of education and industralisation with low tariffs and support for critical industries along with low military spending means gigantic economic output.  And Europe's closer geographical position to Russia, the Middle East and Africa give it significant trading advantages in those regions as well.  It's public debt is a good 20% lower than the USA's and its budget deficit is one third of the size of the USA's.

However, there is a German-led effort underway to bring all of the Eurozone under German financial control, on terms they prefer, which are typically austerity orientated.  Under the current German plan, all European budgets must have a deficit-to-GDP ratio of 3% and a debt-to-GDP ratio of 60%.  No exceptions.  Ever.  So, this means that, for example, Francois Hollande's government, which was voted in on the basis of the French public wanting to employ stimulus measures to aid the economy, cannot actually carry them out.  To have more money for the programs he wants to employ, he must engage in cost-cutting elsewhere.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 16, 2012, 12:51:01 PM
Germany: realized it couldnt take over europe with guns decided to try with money instead.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 17, 2012, 01:22:52 AM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 16, 2012, 12:51:01 PM
Germany: realized it couldnt take over europe with guns decided to try with money instead.

Yeah, we taught them well, the British and us.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 17, 2012, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 16, 2012, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 14, 2012, 07:55:36 AM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: Dear Departed Uncle Nigel on August 13, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on August 13, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Romney is doomed.  Trust me on this.

I hope so. He scares me.

He's a fucking cartoon.

I trust you.

But I want to be in europe before 2016. Not sure how I'm going to pull that off.

Probably can't, TBH.  :x

You mean the Europe where Ryan like ideas about austerity are increasingly and disturbingly popular, and everyone's budgets are subject to the whims of Germany?  Sure, our welfare systems are more developed, but they're under an equally sustained attack, and German fiscal policy makes deficit spending to stimulate the economy impossible, under EU law.  And in Europe, rather than have the dipshits out in the open, they're more diffuse and generally more suave, couching their terms in the language of economic and fiscal necessity and generally being members of European commissions that have no democratic accountability and that no-one has ever heard of. 

The only country whose budget is not open to German revision is the UK, and our political class are all equally committed to cuts. The Tories have their own libertarian dipshits, who are only currently held at bay by the fact that David Cameron is personable on TV and they are not, and who would gladly welcome in the IMF to restructure the entire UK economy by the preferred method of privatising everything, especially education and the NHS.  And the UK is likely to follow the American route of political deadlock anyway, with no party commanding a majority and increasing unstable coalition governments taking charge, for the short term.

I know it's going to shit there, Cain, but it looks damn good from Texas.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2012, 05:27:06 AM
You know im quite happy living in boston. Or just outside of. Just saying. Ive been continuously employed at the same place for twelve years despite occasionally shaky grant situations.

That reminds me. My discordian supervisor told me i was getting the maximum 2% raise as of my review tomorrow. (ref my annual training post).

Twid
breaking the fifteen dollar mark in a few hours.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 17, 2012, 05:29:50 AM
Which is still significantly lower than when i was working for dr. S- that worked out to 40k per annum.

Eh. I was out of my league but i got a guitar and a couple of semesters out of the deal.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Telarus on August 19, 2012, 12:56:10 AM
Congrats on the raise, man!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 19, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
Thanks tel!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on August 20, 2012, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: Nephew Hiroshima on August 14, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
Another interesting side note-

The Green Party's pick for candidate is Jill Stein. What's interesting about this, is that she ran against Romney in 2002 for MA governor. Not sure if that's happened before- two candidates for president have run against each other for governor.

I actually don't hang up the phone on political pollsters, unlike most.  They don't include third party in the polls, not even as "press 3 if you are voting for a different candidate"  it's Romney, Obama, and undecided, and if you go with undecided they want to know which way you are leaning.  I'm voting Jill Stein, but apparently nobody wants to hear that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 21, 2012, 01:59:17 AM
All I know is Obama's campaign has some real stooges doing poll calls.  This one guy called last night and seemed thoroughly confused and bewildered when I said I was voting for the Democrat in my State Senate race.


"Who?"


"Uh, your guy.  The one you just said."


"Huh?"


"Romney!  Bye!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 24, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
Three days to the Tampa Convention!

(http://i.imgur.com/CDbnm.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 24, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
What the gibbering fuck is going on here?

Republican platform to include a return to the gold standard. (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/24/Republicans-eye-return-to-gold-standard/UPI-15171345795200/)


They're trolling us, right? 


Right?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 24, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
Perfect. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2012, 05:07:30 PM
I'm hearing all kinds of hilarious noise about how "anarchists" are going to blow up one or both of the conventions.

Haymarkey Square, anyone?

Anyway, I give it a 90% chance that it's bullshit manufactured by the DOJ, a 9% chance the DOJ is gonna pull some shifty shit involving actual bombs, and a 1% that Oscar De La Rocha will actually blow himself up trying to make a bomb.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 24, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
Also there's a statistically noticeable chance that a hurricane will strike the convention. Does this mean that God has shifted his hate off of gay-loving New Orleans and onto the Republican Party where it belongs?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 24, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 24, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
Also there's a statistically noticeable chance that a hurricane will strike the convention. Does this mean that God has shifted his hate off of gay-loving New Orleans and onto the Republican Party where it belongs?

"Wide stance", V3x.

They're DOOMED.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 24, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
I've heard similar things too Roger.

In fact, it's all very interesting, and just a bit suspect.  Bill Warner, a private investigator in Florida, has claimed the "Occupy Wall Street Black Bloc" group will stage a series of attacks and disruptions in Florida.

Note: the existence of said group has yet to be verified.

Warner also claims that the Aurora Colarado/Dark Knight shooter fits the profile of a member of this supposed group.

Warner isn't typically a crank, despite his links with FOX News and John Loftus, and he worked as a researcher for the latter on the subject of Nazi war criminals and Project Paperclip.  He's done some serious investigative work, at the very least.

Is an "August Surprise" planned?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 24, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
There were supposed to be mass casualties and possibly a dirty bomb at the Olympics yet, and I'm pretty sure there weren't. Granted, it may have happened and NBC just hasn't gotten to it yet because of the time delay.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2012, 05:23:17 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 24, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
Also there's a statistically noticeable chance that a hurricane will strike the convention. Does this mean that God has shifted his hate off of gay-loving New Orleans and onto the Republican Party where it belongs?

No, it means God is an anarchist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 24, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
I've heard similar things too Roger.

In fact, it's all very interesting, and just a bit suspect.  Bill Warner, a private investigator in Florida, has claimed the "Occupy Wall Street Black Bloc" group will stage a series of attacks and disruptions in Florida.

Note: the existence of said group has yet to be verified.

Warner also claims that the Aurora Colarado/Dark Knight shooter fits the profile of a member of this supposed group.

Warner isn't typically a crank, despite his links with FOX News and John Loftus, and he worked as a researcher for the latter on the subject of Nazi war criminals and Project Paperclip.  He's done some serious investigative work, at the very least.

Is an "August Surprise" planned?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

It's either Fox & CNN trying to crank the ratings, or it's something really ugly that has nothing to do with some stupid bastard in a checkered kerchief and a red shirt.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 24, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
I think they're safe. They always play up the risk of violence/attacks and nothing ever happens. In this case, we have the following facts supporting this assessment:

1. We all know the government isn't in the inside job business.
2. Tampa, FL. Terrorists don't even know about that town, and if they did, they'd never go there.
3. It's a GOP convention. The candidates, delegates, security guards, and public attendees will be armed.
4. "Occupy Wall Street is going to blow something up." Read that again for maximum effect.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 24, 2012, 09:29:41 PM
Please stop making false equivalencies.

I'm not saying any of this is ever going to happen.  In fact, the safest assumption with any terrorist threat is that it's not going to take place.

But the circumstances around this should raise suspicion, because it means someone (not necessarily but possibly Warner) has tried to link the Aurora shootings with future violence in Tampa.  That the group itself is unlikely is what makes me suspicious that someone has fed Warner an especially eloquent line of bullshit.

It could just be the threat alone is the aim of this "someone", to create a vague sense of unease linked with the Occupy movement and thus the Democrats.  Or it could be somewhat more serious.  Anarchist groups with a violent bent are almost entirely infiltrated by undercover officers.  Every major protest of the last two decades seems to prove this point, again and again.  Most American police agencies tend to have...cosy relationships with high-earning industries, as illustrated by the Wall Street "pay for an off-duty cop" scheme.  Given Tampa's own history of political and police corruption under Mayor Greco, who was only ousted two years ago, I would be surprised if a more informal arrangement was not in place.  In particular, real estate and banking are big business in Tampa.

There is a full out effort by some of the nuttiest Republicans in a long time to get Romney installed as President, because the financial services industry is feeling butthurt about Obama's lukewarm attempts at regulating them.  I'm sure I don't need to mention Sheldon Adelson, but I will do anyway.  His influence in Israel, where Bibi is considering an attack against Iran during the next couple of months, cannot be underestimated.  Indeed, his HaYom newspaper is one of the staunchest defenders of Netanyahu personally and Likud generally.  Then there is Harold Simmons, who funded Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, to the tune of several million.  Bob Perry also dropped $4.5 million on that little venture and - surprise! - he's backing Romney with a cool $4 million, that saved Romney's Florida campaign entirely. 

Sure, I can't stand Obama, and he also has significant backing from certain investment banks (Goldman Sachs) and financial services providers (Blackstone Group).  But on the few areas where Obama actually diverges from the Republicans is where he causes the most significant outrage.  Obama's opposition to overt war with Iran angers many Israeli supporters, both in America and in Israel, and his more general attitude to Israel demands, in their eyes, punishment.  Biden is equally loathed, and there are efforts underway to try and remove him from the Vice-Presidency even if Obama wins, and replace him with a more pro-Israeli VP (namely Hillary Clinton).  Obama's few moves to regulating the financial services industry have convinced lots of people with tons of money and a brattish, entitled attitude, that he is some kind of socialist dictator, regardless of the truth.  That's two powerful constituencies with a casual attitude towards the law right there.

All I'm saying is that there are some very powerful people who want Obama gone, ASAP, lots of money floating around, geopolitical implications of an Obama defeat this year, and then someone comes out of the woodwork with a very specific terrorist warning which, if it were to occur, could be a game-changer for the election.  It's something that should probably have an eye kept on it, just in case.  Oh, and there is Florida itself, America's own banana republic.  Nothing good happens in Florida involving money or politics, ever.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 26, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Just before the GOP meets for the big wank-off in Florida...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/25/charlie-crist-former-republican-governor-of-florida-endorses-president-obama/

Charlie Crist, former GOP Governor of the State of Florida, put a lengthy special editorial in the Sunday Tampa Bay Times.

QuoteI've studied, admired and gotten to know a lot of leaders in my life. Across Florida, in Washington and around the country, I've watched the failure of those who favor extreme rhetoric over sensible compromise, and I've seen how those who never lose sight of solutions sow the greatest successes.

As America prepares to pick our president for the next four years — and as Florida prepares once again to play a decisive role — I'm confident that President Barack Obama is the right leader for our state and the nation. I applaud and share his vision of a future built by a strong and confident middle class in an economy that gives us the opportunity to reap prosperity through hard work and personal responsibility. It is a vision of the future proven right by our history.

LOTS more at the link.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 26, 2012, 07:53:33 PM
Oh, Jezebel. Thank you for making fun of this more  than I ever could have: http://jezebel.com/5937092/mitt-romneys-wonder-dong-should-be-chieftan-of-america
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 26, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
Lies.  Mitt Romney is the alpha male war chieftan of your vagina and you know it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 26, 2012, 08:50:50 PM
Lies.  Mitt Romney is the alpha male war chieftan of your vagina and you know it.

:horrormirth:

Oh Mitt. Rule my bagsteak!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 27, 2012, 12:06:42 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 24, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
What the gibbering fuck is going on here?

Republican platform to include a return to the gold standard. (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/08/24/Republicans-eye-return-to-gold-standard/UPI-15171345795200/)


They're trolling us, right? 


Right?

WUT
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 27, 2012, 12:13:28 AM
A true Randian platform would involve a return to gold coinage.

Which would be hilarious, given the current value of gold.  Currency debasement wouldn't be a strong enough term for what would happen...they'd have to invent a new term, like "currency debauchery", or "currency barbarization" or something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 27, 2012, 08:01:17 PM
RYAN SAYS RAPE IS "A METHOD OF CONCEPTION" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on August 27, 2012, 08:15:44 PM
http://www.eutimes.net/2012/05/fbi-agent-fleeing-massive-manhunt-warns-theyre-all-insane/

Sort of relating to the RNC thing. Im not sure about the quality of the source, but its another reason to keep an eye out.

QuoteA bizarre Foreign Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin today states that this Friday past (11 May) Russian Envoy Vladimir Vinokurov, the Consulate General of San Francisco, was approached near his hotel room during a visit to Los Angles by an agent of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identifying himself as Stephen Ivens [photo top right] who warned that he and a former FBI agent named Donald Sachtleben had uncovered evidence of an impending terror attack on US soil stating that those behind the attack were "all insane."

Before Ivens was able to finish his "message," this report says, the three American Diplomatic Security (DS) agents, who trail all Russian diplomats in the US, began to "surge" towards Ivens causing him to flee.

According to US news sources, Special Agent Ivens, after leaving downtown Los Angeles, returned to his home in Burbank whereupon he then fled into the rugged Verdugo Mountains after which a massive manhunt for him ensued involving 100 FBI agents, 40 sheriff's department rescuers and a dozen local police officers.

FBI officials stated to the local media that Ivens was "distraught" and "might be suicidal" adding that they believed he had in his possession his service weapon. At no time, however, did anyone ever state as to why Ivens would be in such a state.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2012, 11:40:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cat5SyMBSpk&feature=youtu.be

Money shot is at 1:02

"Rape is just another method of conception."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 28, 2012, 12:03:37 AM
I think this is one of the very few things I can think of that Republicans can actually make me angry over. Fucking infuriating.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 28, 2012, 12:03:37 AM
I think this is one of the very few things I can think of that Republicans can actually make me angry over. Fucking infuriating.

If anyone you know isn't going to vote because "they're all the same", then maybe you should show them that clip.

The GOP has gone from being "the party of the rich" to "absolute scum of the Earth".  And this clip demonstrates the difference between "bad" and "worse".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 28, 2012, 12:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on August 28, 2012, 12:03:37 AM
I think this is one of the very few things I can think of that Republicans can actually make me angry over. Fucking infuriating.

If anyone you know isn't going to vote because "they're all the same", then maybe you should show them that clip.

The GOP has gone from being "the party of the rich" to "absolute scum of the Earth".  And this clip demonstrates the difference between "bad" and "worse".

When I first saw an article on it this morning, I thought it said "Rape is just another method of contraception". It didn't even suprise me when I read it that way, I just started reposting it here and there before I realized the mistake.

You're right. We have a new social norm.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on August 28, 2012, 12:09:42 AM

You're right. We have a new social norm.  :horrormirth:

No.  We will have - for good or for ill - a new social norm in November.  Either this insanity will be rejected by voters, or it won't.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 28, 2012, 12:30:03 AM
What's sad is the media aren't going to pick up on this.  Akin doesn't matter, he's just one Congressman, but Ryan is potentially a heartbeat away from being Prez.  This shit should be ALL OVER the news, but won't be.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 28, 2012, 12:30:03 AM
What's sad is the media aren't going to pick up on this.  Akin doesn't matter, he's just one Congressman, but Ryan is potentially a heartbeat away from being Prez.  This shit should be ALL OVER the news, but won't be.

Not yet, anyway.  It's Romney's turn for the media to get all huggy with, you know? 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
I can't even...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-rally-emcee-sometimes-you-have-treat-these-liberals-dogs

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:36:40 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
I can't even...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-rally-emcee-sometimes-you-have-treat-these-liberals-dogs

How is that a shock? 

Anyway, the feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:52:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:36:40 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
I can't even...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-rally-emcee-sometimes-you-have-treat-these-liberals-dogs

How is that a shock? 

Anyway, the feeling is mutual.

Mostly shock at the fact that the GoP would let this chucklehead get up in front of TV cameras and SAY that.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:59:50 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:52:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:36:40 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
I can't even...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-rally-emcee-sometimes-you-have-treat-these-liberals-dogs

How is that a shock? 

Anyway, the feeling is mutual.

Mostly shock at the fact that the GoP would let this chucklehead get up in front of TV cameras and SAY that.

They think they're invincible, Luna, just like they did when Palin was schlepping her act across the country.  Hopefully, they're wrong again.  My only worry is that Ryan seems to have more discipline than Palin did.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 28, 2012, 04:02:21 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:59:50 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:52:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 28, 2012, 03:36:40 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 28, 2012, 03:27:25 AM
I can't even...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-rally-emcee-sometimes-you-have-treat-these-liberals-dogs

How is that a shock? 

Anyway, the feeling is mutual.

Mostly shock at the fact that the GoP would let this chucklehead get up in front of TV cameras and SAY that.

They think they're invincible, Luna, just like they did when Palin was schlepping her act across the country.  Hopefully, they're wrong again.  My only worry is that Ryan seems to have more discipline than Palin did.

He does seem more capable than Palin at keeping his mouth shut, but, then, that isn't hard...  We'll see what happens after this weekend.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 28, 2012, 06:56:14 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 28, 2012, 12:30:03 AM
What's sad is the media aren't going to pick up on this.  Akin doesn't matter, he's just one Congressman, but Ryan is potentially a heartbeat away from being Prez.  This shit should be ALL OVER the news, but won't be.

Actually it's the Senate, which I would argue is somewhat more important than the Vice-Presidency/possible future Presidency.  Presidents come and go, and have significant term limits.  Senators can sit on the hill for damn near life.  And, in theory, the Senate is not quite as crazy as the House, though the election of Rand Paul and a few others suggests a change is coming.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 01:00:07 AM
Am I seriously the only person here watching the convention?  This is COMEDY GOLD!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 01:29:07 AM
(http://media.naplesnews.com/media/img/photos/2012/08/24/GOP_Convention(3)_t160_160.JPG)

The Guardian reporters have stopped even bothering and are apparently getting drunk and hooting at the scene.

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1144621.1345941945!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-convention4-0825.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 01:39:16 AM
Listen to the echoes:

http://www.youtube.com/gopconvention2012

:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 01:42:00 AM
And was THIS absolutely necessary?

(http://www.zewp.com/dump/photo/bbwhottie.jpeg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 01:46:32 AM
No cable, I am spared watching it...

Is that REALLY all the people who showed up?   :lol:

Okay, yeah, hurricane, but, still...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 01:52:31 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 29, 2012, 01:46:32 AM
No cable, I am spared watching it...

Is that REALLY all the people who showed up?   :lol:

Okay, yeah, hurricane, but, still...

The hurricane is two states over.

This is HILARIOUS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

The SURPRISE guest speaker is...DRUM ROLL...RICK SANTORUM!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 29, 2012, 02:54:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

The SURPRISE guest speaker is...DRUM ROLL...RICK SANTORUM!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

NUH

UH


!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:56:26 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 29, 2012, 02:54:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

The SURPRISE guest speaker is...DRUM ROLL...RICK SANTORUM!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

NUH

UH


!

His speech was very well received by all 300-400 mullet heads in the audience.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 29, 2012, 02:59:09 AM
:lulz:

Even angry white people know better than to crowd into a convention center in the middle of a hurricane when the GOP is in charge.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 03:03:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on August 29, 2012, 02:59:09 AM
:lulz:

Even angry white people know better than to crowd into a convention center in the middle of a hurricane when the GOP is in charge.

The hurricane is two states over.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 29, 2012, 03:04:45 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 03:03:49 AM
Quote from: v3x on August 29, 2012, 02:59:09 AM
:lulz:

Even angry white people know better than to crowd into a convention center in the middle of a hurricane when the GOP is in charge.

The hurricane is two states over.

Which demonstrates the average Republican's grasp of geography.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 29, 2012, 03:19:16 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:56:26 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on August 29, 2012, 02:54:31 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

The SURPRISE guest speaker is...DRUM ROLL...RICK SANTORUM!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

NUH

UH


!

His speech was very well received by all 300-400 mullet heads in the audience.

There was a LOT of elbow room, there.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 03:20:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

The SURPRISE guest speaker is...DRUM ROLL...RICK SANTORUM!

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

ROFL!

Oh, that's beautiful.

Please, PLEASE tell me he recapped this speech!  (It's less than six months old...)

QuotePresidential candidate Rick Santorum on Thursday said Republicans should give President Barack Obama another term if Santorum isn't the GOP nominee and for a second day compared rival Mitt Romney to an Etch A Sketch toy.

Santorum reiterated an argument he has made before: The former Massachusetts governor is not conservative enough to offer voters a clear choice in the fall election and that only he can provide that contrast.

"You win by giving people a choice," Santorum said during a campaign stop in Texas. "You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there."

Santorum added: "If they're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk of what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate for the future."
p\

http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-might-well-obama-over-romney-000618396.html

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on August 29, 2012, 04:10:55 AM
Damn what am i missing not having a tv?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2012, 04:42:11 AM
Were there at least a couple of hookers outside? I mean, it's the RNC, fachrissake. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 29, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
It's not mandatory you show up in a rally to support Mitt Romney, you just have to do it, or else:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/coal_miners_forced_to_attend_r039537.php

QuoteSo the Romney campaign visited a coal mine on August 14th, for a speech with a bunch of suitably dirty miners standing behind him, with his podium bearing a placard that read "Coal Country Stands with Mitt." But apparently it should have said "or else" at the end:

The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

A group of employees who feared they'd be fired if they didn't attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.

Moore told Blomquist that managers "communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend." He said the company did not penalize no-shows.

Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day.

Even better, the company is keeping a list of all politically active workers:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/28/coal-miners-say-they-were-forced-to-attend-romney-event-and-donate/

Quote"Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up my non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time," the employees told Blomquist. "Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events."

All of this is, most likely, legal.  While threatening someone to attend a political rally at gunpoint is illegal, threatening them to attend a political rally by destroying their likelihood is actually very legal in most US states, as is firing someone for their political views.  As such, when your manager says "attend a rally", unless you want to be in a soup kitchen next week, you do as you're told.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
It's not mandatory you show up in a rally to support Mitt Romney, you just have to do it, or else:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/coal_miners_forced_to_attend_r039537.php

QuoteSo the Romney campaign visited a coal mine on August 14th, for a speech with a bunch of suitably dirty miners standing behind him, with his podium bearing a placard that read "Coal Country Stands with Mitt." But apparently it should have said "or else" at the end:

The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

A group of employees who feared they'd be fired if they didn't attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.

Moore told Blomquist that managers "communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend." He said the company did not penalize no-shows.

Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day.

Even better, the company is keeping a list of all politically active workers:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/28/coal-miners-say-they-were-forced-to-attend-romney-event-and-donate/

Quote"Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up my non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time," the employees told Blomquist. "Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events."

All of this is, most likely, legal.  While threatening someone to attend a political rally at gunpoint is illegal, threatening them to attend a political rally by destroying their likelihood is actually very legal in most US states, as is firing someone for their political views.  As such, when your manager says "attend a rally", unless you want to be in a soup kitchen next week, you do as you're told.

If an employer states an event is mandatory, then it must be paid, under the FLSA.  If I were working payroll at that place, and saw that notice go out, I'd be on the phone with the boss letting him know that we were going to be in violation of the FLSA, and that if anybody kicked up a fuss, we'd likely be up to our necks in the shit.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 10:02:45 AM
QuoteAn attendee at the Republican National Convention in Tampa on Tuesday allegedly threw nuts at a black camerawoman working for CNN and said "This is how we feed animals" before being removed from the convention, a network official confirmed to TPM.

Stay classy, GOP, stay classy.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/cnn-republican-convention-black-camerawoman.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on August 29, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 29, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
It's not mandatory you show up in a rally to support Mitt Romney, you just have to do it, or else:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/coal_miners_forced_to_attend_r039537.php

QuoteSo the Romney campaign visited a coal mine on August 14th, for a speech with a bunch of suitably dirty miners standing behind him, with his podium bearing a placard that read "Coal Country Stands with Mitt." But apparently it should have said "or else" at the end:

The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

A group of employees who feared they'd be fired if they didn't attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.

Moore told Blomquist that managers "communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend." He said the company did not penalize no-shows.

Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day.

Even better, the company is keeping a list of all politically active workers:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/28/coal-miners-say-they-were-forced-to-attend-romney-event-and-donate/

Quote"Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up my non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time," the employees told Blomquist. "Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events."

All of this is, most likely, legal.  While threatening someone to attend a political rally at gunpoint is illegal, threatening them to attend a political rally by destroying their likelihood is actually very legal in most US states, as is firing someone for their political views.  As such, when your manager says "attend a rally", unless you want to be in a soup kitchen next week, you do as you're told.

If an employer states an event is mandatory, then it must be paid, under the FLSA.  If I were working payroll at that place, and saw that notice go out, I'd be on the phone with the boss letting him know that we were going to be in violation of the FLSA, and that if anybody kicked up a fuss, we'd likely be up to our necks in the shit.

Does that violation have any real teeth, or would you just get fired and placed on a private blacklist that business owners have a "gentleman's agreement" about enforcing?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 02:16:39 PM
(http://crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2012/08/shuster%20twitter.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 29, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Well, they weren't going to get the women's or black vote anyway...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Net on August 29, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Luna on August 29, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Cain on August 29, 2012, 07:21:37 AM
It's not mandatory you show up in a rally to support Mitt Romney, you just have to do it, or else:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/coal_miners_forced_to_attend_r039537.php

QuoteSo the Romney campaign visited a coal mine on August 14th, for a speech with a bunch of suitably dirty miners standing behind him, with his podium bearing a placard that read "Coal Country Stands with Mitt." But apparently it should have said "or else" at the end:

The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

A group of employees who feared they'd be fired if they didn't attend the campaign rally in Beallsville, Ohio, complained about it to WWVA radio station talk show host David Blomquist. Blomquist discussed their beefs on the air Monday with Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore.

Moore told Blomquist that managers "communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend." He said the company did not penalize no-shows.

Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day.

Even better, the company is keeping a list of all politically active workers:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/28/coal-miners-say-they-were-forced-to-attend-romney-event-and-donate/

Quote"Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up my non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time," the employees told Blomquist. "Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events."

All of this is, most likely, legal.  While threatening someone to attend a political rally at gunpoint is illegal, threatening them to attend a political rally by destroying their likelihood is actually very legal in most US states, as is firing someone for their political views.  As such, when your manager says "attend a rally", unless you want to be in a soup kitchen next week, you do as you're told.

If an employer states an event is mandatory, then it must be paid, under the FLSA.  If I were working payroll at that place, and saw that notice go out, I'd be on the phone with the boss letting him know that we were going to be in violation of the FLSA, and that if anybody kicked up a fuss, we'd likely be up to our necks in the shit.

Does that violation have any real teeth, or would you just get fired and placed on a private blacklist that business owners have a "gentleman's agreement" about enforcing?

Violating the FLSA?  Bad juju, that.

Having shot my mouth off, I went and grabbed some backup:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/flsa/

I'd figure the hours that employees were required to spend at a rally would be considered "hours worked" based on:

QuoteLectures, Meetings and Training Programs: Attendance at lectures, meetings, training programs and similar
activities need not be counted as working time only if four criteria are met, namely: it is outside normal hours, it
is voluntary, not job related, and no other work is concurrently performed.

I'd say it would count as a meeting, and, as it was listed as mandatory, it fails the test and needs to count as worked time.

Now...  The company is trying to say that they're forbidden by campaign law to pay employees to attend the event...  By making attendance mandatory, they painted themselves into a corner.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 29, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
Whooooo!


http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805

Quoteit was astonishing to see all the brittle work of narrative construction that is a modern political convention suddenly crack before our eyes. None of us could quite believe what we were seeing: A sea of twentysomething bowties and cowboy hats morphing into frat bros apparently shrieking over (or at) a Latina. RNC chairman Reince Priebus quickly stepped up and asked for order and respect for the speaker, suggesting that, yeah, what we had just seen might well have been an ugly outburst of nativism.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
Somebody just mailed me and said Chris Christie thought his mic was off a couple of days before the convention and he told somebody "Romney's gonna lose"...when he got caught he tried to backpedal. :lol:

Doing phone internet until the mailman brings me a new power cord, but still want to find that link. :D
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 05:57:12 PM

A group called 'Protect The Polls' was passing out threatening flyers at a Tampa Anti-Suppression Rally protesting HB 1355 (the FL voting law currently stalled in the courts), and apparently these flyers make threats of violence.

By passing out flyers, some say 'Protect The Polls' is trying to intimidate voters who may have fallen off rolls from showing up at polling places to fill out provisional ballots.

From the 'Protect The Polls' website:



Florida gun owners are uniting to bring a new law to the table called Protect the Polls. The logic behind Protect the Polls is simple. If you are a legal gun owner in the state of Florida and you suspect someone on Election Day is committing voter fraud you can shoot him or her with your licensed weapon and not be charged with a crime. Precedents have already been set allowing these rights, like the important Stand Your Ground law, and in this case, there is more at stake than just one person's life; this is for the life of this great country.

http://protectthepolls.com/What_is_PTP_.html

(This might be a hoax, according to huffpo)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on August 29, 2012, 06:01:30 PM
Ugh. I hope it is.

'We're Not Going to Let Our Campaign Be Dictated by Fact-Checkers' (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/were-not-going-to-let-our-campaign-be-dictated-by-fact-checkers/261674/)
Quote
Critics have for many years inveighed against "false equivalence" or "false balance" in the mainstream press. This long crusade has finally achieved its grail, or at least a version of it: In this campaign season, political reporters have been shucking the old he-said-she-said formulation and directly declaring that certain claims are false. This new approach was signaled on Sunday, when, as James Fallows has noted, The New York Times, in a front-page story, flatly stated that a Romney ad was "falsely charging that Mr. Obama has 'quietly announced' plans to eliminate work and job training requirements for welfare beneficiaries."
But what if it turns out that when the press calls a lie a lie, nobody cares?

Here in Tampa, the new assertiveness is getting its first test on a big stage, and so far the results are not encouraging. As Ben Smith of BuzzFeed has pointed out, the Romney campaign is simply swatting aside the media's objections to its welfare ad: "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," said Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.

Watch this exchange, from a panel here this morning. On one side is my colleague Ron Fournier, the editor-in-chief of National Journal, together with John Dickerson of CBS and Slate; on the other, Ron Kaufman of the Romney campaign. Both journalists call the ad false; Kaufman rejects their view -- both of the details of the ad, and of its political thrust, that it is, as Fournier argues, "playing the race card." The result is a stalemate -- or, actually, a kind of mind-blowing media-political meta-vortex that might be better fodder for students of epistemology or semiotics, and certainly of American Studies, than for journalists, though they should probably watch it, too.

The relevant section runs from about 26:30 to about 35:30 in the video here, with a slight digression in the middle to a different issue, energy. (The Fora player will only embed a short clip from the video, not including the passage cited here.)

From a heated argument over the racial content of the ad (Fournier: "You know an ad like that touches a racial button." Kaufman: "No it doesn't. I don't agree with you at all.") the conversation pivots pack to the press's role as fact-checker when the audience begins asking the questions - and chooses to pose them to Dickerson and Fournier. Finally, Mickey Kaus of The Daily Caller, a longtime student of welfare reform, takes the mike to (sort of) defend the Romney ad.

"The press is all full of itself about how they're going to declare that it's false," Kaus says, "but it's really a lot less false than you think it is."

Dickerson replies that that is merely Kaus's interpretation, and then Fournier -- a guy who, if you'll forgive my pomposity, has pretty much devoted his adult life to the pursuit of truth -- has a bit of a Howard Beale moment:
QuoteWith all due respect, to say 'It's a lot less wrong that you think it is' is a lot like saying, 'She's a lot less pregnant than you think she is.' Wrong is wrong, and the ad is distorted. But to John's point, both sides are making up lies, both sides are distorting .... Both sides are demeaning the process, both sides are making the public mad as hell about the process -- including the media institution .... That's why we all have to take a good look at how we're conducting ourselves
The bottom line, of course, is that the ad is continuing to run. It is continuing to run because the Romney campaign's polling shows it to be effective. And therefore, kind of by definition, the press pushback is not having much effect -- at least not so far, and at least not in the battlegrounds where the ad is playing.

Instead of being able to stand above the fray as some sort of neutral arbiter of the truth, the press may be finding that it is winding up on one side of a new kind of he-said-she-said argument.
:horrormirth: If I didn't already think we were doomed, this is would be the clincher. We're fucking doomed.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
QuoteWH travel pool reports that the president did not watch the GOP convention last night. Carney: "He had other things to do."

Poor Obama.  Too busy for a laugh.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 29, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
QuoteWH travel pool reports that the president did not watch the GOP convention last night. Carney: "He had other things to do."

Poor Obama.  Too busy for a laugh.



If I was Obama I would stop in unannounced and just walk around the place with a camera crew.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: v3x on August 29, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 08:40:45 PM
QuoteWH travel pool reports that the president did not watch the GOP convention last night. Carney: "He had other things to do."

Poor Obama.  Too busy for a laugh.



If I was Obama I would stop in unannounced and just walk around the place with a camera crew.

With his best shit-eating grin on, too.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 08:45:50 PM
Christ, almight, this is HILARIOUS!

Maybe the GOP should call up the Shriners and get some tips on running a convention.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 29, 2012, 09:01:39 PM
Gov. Mitt Romney's campaign toasted its top donors Wednesday aboard a 150-foot yacht flying the flag of the Cayman Islands.

The floating party, hosted by a Florida developer on his yacht Cracker Bay," was one of a dozen exclusive events meant to nurture those who have raised more than $1 million for Romney's bid.

  Romney Party Yacht Flies Cayman Islands Flag (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney-party-yacht-flies-cayman-islands-flag/story?id=17105028#.UD5yKaN2PHp)

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Blotter/abc_caymans_flag_kb_120829_wg.jpg)

http://wonkette.com/482488/romney-campaign-throws-fancy-fundraiser-on-cayman-island-yacht#more-482488
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 29, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Does anybody else find the name "Cracker Bay" PERFECT for a boat full of GOP fuckwits? :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on August 29, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Ron Paul supporters treated like shit, Ron Paul says "fuck Romney."  (Paraphrased.)

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169618/his-supporters-treated-atrociously-ron-paul-refuses-back-romney#

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 30, 2012, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 29, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Ron Paul supporters treated like shit, Ron Paul says "fuck Romney."  (Paraphrased.)

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169618/his-supporters-treated-atrociously-ron-paul-refuses-back-romney#

While I am happy at this development, I am also of the mind "And fuck Ron Paul, too", seeing as he has never attempted to rein in his followers' more atrocious behavior (such as threatening to rape the 9 year old daughter of an army veteran because said army captain made a cartoon on Facebook making fun of Ron Paul).

So, shit yeah, a plague on both their houses.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on August 30, 2012, 01:57:29 AM
Maybe they'll have a big libertard Repubnarok and wipe each other out. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Salty on August 30, 2012, 01:59:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 30, 2012, 01:32:19 AM
Quote from: Luna on August 29, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Ron Paul supporters treated like shit, Ron Paul says "fuck Romney."  (Paraphrased.)

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169618/his-supporters-treated-atrociously-ron-paul-refuses-back-romney#

While I am happy at this development, I am also of the mind "And fuck Ron Paul, too", seeing as he has never attempted to rein in his followers' more atrocious behavior (such as threatening to rape the 9 year old daughter of an army veteran because said army captain made a cartoon on Facebook making fun of Ron Paul).

So, shit yeah, a plague on both their houses.

But Roger, how is he supposed to combat evey yahoo out there?


Alty,
trying to learn how to argue about why Ron Paul is a bad man because he made a new friend. Without using the tried and true: he's a racist and a homophobe approach.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on August 30, 2012, 02:12:41 AM
You don't have to resort to guilt by association to tell that Ron Paul is a bad person. His policies are bad in some places, like his insane pledge to eradicate the department of education. Also he has been a member of the government he derides for a generation and has managed to stop exactly zero of its terrible ideas. Add the fact that his ideal of a "small government," like most conservatives', includes expanding government to deny reproductive freedom, and you have a pretty solid case. And you can get that much just from his campaign site. You don't even have to do any actual work.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Salty on August 30, 2012, 02:58:04 AM
Quote from: v3x on August 30, 2012, 02:12:41 AM
You don't have to resort to guilt by association to tell that Ron Paul is a bad person. His policies are bad in some places, like his insane pledge to eradicate the department of education. Also he has been a member of the government he derides for a generation and has managed to stop exactly zero of its terrible ideas. Add the fact that his ideal of a "small government," like most conservatives', includes expanding government to deny reproductive freedom, and you have a pretty solid case. And you can get that much just from his campaign site. You don't even have to do any actual work.

Thanks, that is helpful.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 30, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
You might want to read this before Fox takes it down.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Which editor let this one slip by?


Quoteto anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan's speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was  Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan's mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.


Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 30, 2012, 02:34:02 PM
This must be their token Liberal so they can say "see, fair and balanced."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 30, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
QuoteRep. Paul Ryan delivered a fabulous speech Wednesday night. No doubt he benefitted from the skills of speechwriter Matthew Scully, who also helped to carpenter former Gov. Sarah Palin�s well-received acceptance speech at the 2008 convention. But Ryan�s delivery of the text, his winning persona, can�t be discounted. He was by turns energetic, reflective, funny, and, at all times, utterly assured of his worldview.

He hit on all the themes that will feature in the coming campaign against Obama: the wasteful spending; the lack of leadership; the cronyism; Obamacare; the self-regarding verbosity. Ryan, to his credit, acknowledged the economic crisis that Obama inherited and his own party�s lack of fiscal discipline.

There is, however, a great disconnect between Ryan�s reality and the reality that the rest of us inhabit.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obama is �spending money we don�t have� � unlike, say, his running mate�s budget plan, which does not even attempt to mathematically reconcile its tax cuts, new defense spending, and undefined spending reductions.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there are job creators and entrepreneurs on one side and parasites on the other. There is no account of the vast gray expanse of janitors, waitresses, hotel front-desk clerks, nurses, highway maintenance workers, airport baggage handlers, and taxi drivers. They work hard, but at the end of the day, what can they be said to have �built�?

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there is a grand conflict in American life: that between those who believe in an all-powerful government and those who believe our rights derive from �nature and God.� (I wonder: was �nature� capitalized in the text?) This is the sort of windy rhetoric that appeals to the earnest college sophomore on the pre-law track. But what does it have to say about the complexities of global financial capitalism and the moral authoritativeness of its outcomes?

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there are pent-up energies in the American economy just waiting to be unleashed by just one more supply-side goosing by the ghost of Jack Kemp.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obamacare is the a �power play� that �came at the expense of the elderly,� while his and Mitt Romney�s 2010-reprising plan to scare seniors in the short term, while in the long term reducing Medicare spending by the same amount as projected by the Obama administration (but in reality by far more once the crutch of his magical asterisks are kicked away), is a model of courage and intellectual honesty.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obama blithely chooses to do nothing about long-term debt � even as Ryan himself squelched a budget deal because it raised new revenue (without raising income taxes).

Paul Ryan is a talented, well-intentioned man who has been groomed by, and cultivated in the eco-system of, Washington�s conservative intelligentsia. His speech, for all its many fine qualities, is an emblem of the superficial attractiveness and substantive bankruptcy of this intelligentsia.

Source. (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/paul-ryan-the-boy-in-the-bubble/)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Suu on August 30, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
FOX News apparently didn't dig Paul Ryan's speech. In fact, they destroy it.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

Wow. If FOX is turning against the GOP...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 30, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 30, 2012, 02:34:02 PM
This must be their token Liberal so they can say "see, fair and balanced."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Suu on August 30, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Okay, so I can't read.

But I think it IS their token liberal.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 30, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Definitely has a lot more spunk than Alan Colmes, which wouldn't be difficult really.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Suu on August 31, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Oh shit just keeps getting funnier.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-palin-was-kicked-from-fox-news-lineup-all-interviews-canceled
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on August 31, 2012, 04:21:21 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 30, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
QuoteRep. Paul Ryan delivered a fabulous speech Wednesday night. No doubt he benefitted from the skills of speechwriter Matthew Scully, who also helped to carpenter former Gov. Sarah Palin�s well-received acceptance speech at the 2008 convention. But Ryan�s delivery of the text, his winning persona, can�t be discounted. He was by turns energetic, reflective, funny, and, at all times, utterly assured of his worldview.

He hit on all the themes that will feature in the coming campaign against Obama: the wasteful spending; the lack of leadership; the cronyism; Obamacare; the self-regarding verbosity. Ryan, to his credit, acknowledged the economic crisis that Obama inherited and his own party�s lack of fiscal discipline.

There is, however, a great disconnect between Ryan�s reality and the reality that the rest of us inhabit.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obama is �spending money we don�t have� � unlike, say, his running mate�s budget plan, which does not even attempt to mathematically reconcile its tax cuts, new defense spending, and undefined spending reductions.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there are job creators and entrepreneurs on one side and parasites on the other. There is no account of the vast gray expanse of janitors, waitresses, hotel front-desk clerks, nurses, highway maintenance workers, airport baggage handlers, and taxi drivers. They work hard, but at the end of the day, what can they be said to have �built�?

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there is a grand conflict in American life: that between those who believe in an all-powerful government and those who believe our rights derive from �nature and God.� (I wonder: was �nature� capitalized in the text?) This is the sort of windy rhetoric that appeals to the earnest college sophomore on the pre-law track. But what does it have to say about the complexities of global financial capitalism and the moral authoritativeness of its outcomes?

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, there are pent-up energies in the American economy just waiting to be unleashed by just one more supply-side goosing by the ghost of Jack Kemp.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obamacare is the a �power play� that �came at the expense of the elderly,� while his and Mitt Romney�s 2010-reprising plan to scare seniors in the short term, while in the long term reducing Medicare spending by the same amount as projected by the Obama administration (but in reality by far more once the crutch of his magical asterisks are kicked away), is a model of courage and intellectual honesty.

In Ryan�s intellectual bubble, Obama blithely chooses to do nothing about long-term debt � even as Ryan himself squelched a budget deal because it raised new revenue (without raising income taxes).

Paul Ryan is a talented, well-intentioned man who has been groomed by, and cultivated in the eco-system of, Washington�s conservative intelligentsia. His speech, for all its many fine qualities, is an emblem of the superficial attractiveness and substantive bankruptcy of this intelligentsia.

Source. (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/paul-ryan-the-boy-in-the-bubble/)

The American Conservative is really actually a very good read.  Rod "crunchy con" Dreher aside.  Daniel Larison and Noah Millman there are on my daily reading list.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on August 31, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
Quote from: Suu on August 31, 2012, 02:31:48 AM
Oh shit just keeps getting funnier.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-palin-was-kicked-from-fox-news-lineup-all-interviews-canceled (http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-palin-was-kicked-from-fox-news-lineup-all-interviews-canceled)


Someone needs to tell her that her 15 minutes have been up for quite awhile now.  I would hope getting bumped from Fox News would be a pretty good clue.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on August 31, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Just because it's nice to have it all in one place...

Mittens tells 533 lies in 30 weeks. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-in-30-weeks-steve-benen-documents-them/)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 31, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Just because it's nice to have it all in one place...

Mittens tells 533 lies in 30 weeks. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-in-30-weeks-steve-benen-documents-them/)


Woot!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bu🤠ns on September 01, 2012, 05:00:51 PM
Anyone post this yet?

Not Even The RNC Can Beat 'Honey Boo Boo Child'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31/honey-boo-boo-ratings-top-republican-national-convention-rnc_n_1846155.html

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 01, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
Heh, I read that somewhere else.  You know the DNC is going to get absolutely slayed in the ratings.  They don't have any fire-brand, angry white guy speakers.  Well, unless they get Maher or Moore up onthe podium,but even then,it wouldn't really be a big TV draw.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 01, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
Mittens's campaign slogan is an old KKK one, used starting in 1922. This is honestly even better than Eastwood's speech.

Proof:
http://books.google.com/books?id=44UKwOoPB7sC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=%22keep+america+american%22+kkk&source=bl&ots=MRLDHX6IVE&sig=7rhRyWIDB5b4EKsILKBZYfu8d9E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fp5BUPv5HKmI6AHZtoDgAQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22keep%20america%20american%22%20kkk&f=false
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 02, 2012, 11:16:49 AM
Cutting-edge political science research: Mitt Romney is really, really good looking:

QuoteMitt Romney is better looking than almost everyone reading this blog.  Back in 2008, I wrote about how Sarah Palin's looks put her in the 95th percentile of politicians.  Romney has even Palin beat—he scores above the 99th percentile.

These results come from a study with my colleagues Matthew Atkinson and Seth Hill, in which we developed a method for obtaining the ratings of the facial competence of governor and Senate candidates from 1994 to 2006 by showing the images of these candidates to undergraduate students for 1 second, as pioneered by Alex Todorov.  In 2007, when we collected this data, we removed highly-recognizable candidates so that opinions about the candidates, other than their appearance, would not affect the ratings.  However, as with Palin, we are fortunate that Romney was a relative unknown at the time (at least to the undergraduates in California that we used), so we obtained a rating of his face.

And what a face it is!  We gathered the ratings of 728 candidates for Senate and Governors' seats and Romney outscored all but four of them.  The only persons to win election that beat him are Russ Feingold (the best looking Democrat) and John Thune (the best looking overall).  Romney also appears to far outdo Paul Ryan, who came in in the 67th percentile of the 2004 House candidates (although the photos did not include abs).  (Also, that study only included white male candidates and the House was not measured on a common scale with Senators and Governors, but I'd feel pretty confident saying the 67th percentile of the House puts you well behind Romney).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 02, 2012, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 02, 2012, 11:16:49 AM
Cutting-edge political science research: Mitt Romney is really, really good looking:

QuoteMitt Romney is better looking than almost everyone reading this blog.  Back in 2008, I wrote about how Sarah Palin's looks put her in the 95th percentile of politicians.  Romney has even Palin beat—he scores above the 99th percentile.

These results come from a study with my colleagues Matthew Atkinson and Seth Hill, in which we developed a method for obtaining the ratings of the facial competence of governor and Senate candidates from 1994 to 2006 by showing the images of these candidates to undergraduate students for 1 second, as pioneered by Alex Todorov.  In 2007, when we collected this data, we removed highly-recognizable candidates so that opinions about the candidates, other than their appearance, would not affect the ratings.  However, as with Palin, we are fortunate that Romney was a relative unknown at the time (at least to the undergraduates in California that we used), so we obtained a rating of his face.

And what a face it is!  We gathered the ratings of 728 candidates for Senate and Governors' seats and Romney outscored all but four of them.  The only persons to win election that beat him are Russ Feingold (the best looking Democrat) and John Thune (the best looking overall).  Romney also appears to far outdo Paul Ryan, who came in in the 67th percentile of the 2004 House candidates (although the photos did not include abs).  (Also, that study only included white male candidates and the House was not measured on a common scale with Senators and Governors, but I'd feel pretty confident saying the 67th percentile of the House puts you well behind Romney).

"Facial competence"? Is this something to do with "teabagging"?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 02, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
I don't even understand why someone would waste research funds on something like this.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 02, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 02, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
I don't even understand why someone would waste research funds on something like this.

I don't even understand why someone would think Mitt Romney is good looking. He looks like a fucking mannequin.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 02, 2012, 08:26:37 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 02, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
I don't even understand why someone would waste research funds on something like this.


Because marketing plays a huge role in political campaigns, particularly at this level. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 02, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 02, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
I don't even understand why someone would waste research funds on something like this.

Unfortunately, measures of physical attractiveness are surprisingly predictive of election outcomes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 02, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
It's true, if the Internet and TV had been invented back in Taft's day, he wouldn't have had a prayer.


It will work heavily against him if Christie ever decides to run.  That and the fact he's a gigantic POS.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: BabylonHoruv on September 04, 2012, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 01, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
Mittens's campaign slogan is an old KKK one, used starting in 1922. This is honestly even better than Eastwood's speech.

Proof:
http://books.google.com/books?id=44UKwOoPB7sC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=%22keep+america+american%22+kkk&source=bl&ots=MRLDHX6IVE&sig=7rhRyWIDB5b4EKsILKBZYfu8d9E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fp5BUPv5HKmI6AHZtoDgAQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22keep%20america%20american%22%20kkk&f=false

Snopes disagrees.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/slogan.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/slogan.asp)

Romney's campaign slogan is actually "Believe in America"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2012, 12:56:02 PM
American's ruling class has an unhealthy fixation on belief, resolve and willpower as substitues for plans based in reality, it must be said.  "Hope" is not a strategy, and neither is "belief".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 04, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
It is when you are one of God's sentinels.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2012, 12:56:02 PM
American's ruling class has an unhealthy fixation on belief, resolve and willpower as substitues for plans based in reality, it must be said.  "Hope" is not a strategy, and neither is "belief".

"The fighting spirit of our men will carry the day."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 04, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
I personally blame it on Ayn Rand's derptastic rereading of Nietzsche, which committed the kind of literary and philosophical crimes Frau Forster could not even manage and then introduced them in an American-friendly package.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 04, 2012, 06:29:58 PM
"Believe in America" is about as good as our Idiocracy can muster at this point. Even our high-minded rhetoric these days is just a dim echo of actual speech, devoid of any statement, engineered by focus groups and social psychology. Obama's "Yes We Can" is the same thing, of course. Our politics are government in the same way that pop music is art. But this is Democracy, and in a Democracy, the People Get What They Want.™
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
I personally blame it on Ayn Rand's derptastic rereading of Nietzsche, which committed the kind of literary and philosophical crimes Frau Forster could not even manage and then introduced them in an American-friendly package.

I'm thinking of a few things Gary Brecher said about generals who had no plan.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 04, 2012, 10:56:13 PM
2012 is like Deja Vu. I've seen these Republicans before, somewhere...

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1715856/60rnc12.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 03:02:58 PM
Yes, I know the election is a stage show designed to distract the masses from the important issues.

Yes, I know, I'm a sucker for paying attention and asking questions about what is essential a propaganda exercise.


But still...


The echo chambers I normally use were full of the lies in the RNC speeches; and it sure seemed like there were a lot of them.  Anyone know if the DNC speeches had anything similar?  The rightwing blogs, et al, are still arguing on ideological terms, not factual.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 03:02:58 PM
Yes, I know the election is a stage show designed to distract the masses from the important issues.

Yes, I know, I'm a sucker for paying attention and asking questions about what is essential a propaganda exercise.


But still...


The echo chambers I normally use were full of the lies in the RNC speeches; and it sure seemed like there were a lot of them.  Anyone know if the DNC speeches had anything similar?  The rightwing blogs, et al, are still arguing on ideological terms, not factual.

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/democratic-disinformation-from-charlotte/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
Speeches are boring.  But here are three lies I noted from the morning papers:

Quote from: Deval PatrickThis is the president who brought Osama bin Laden to justice, who ended the war in Iraq and is ending the war in Afghanistan.

President Bush ended the war in the Iraq with the 2008 SOFA treaty with Iraq.  Obama has done nothing but follow the treaty provisions as laid down by the previous government.

Obama didn't bring "Bin Laden to justice".  He sent a death squad out to cap him.  "Bringing someone to justice" actually derives from literally bringing someone to a court of law and trying them, which did not happen in this case.  You can argue whether or not it was a good idea or deserved, but it certainly wasn't justice, it was revenge.

Obama isn't ending the war in Afghanistan.  He is withdrawing a sizeable amount of troops and transferring responsibility for security to the Afghan government.  However, 68,000 troops will remain in the country, and they will be involved in "support" roles, training and "counterterrorism" operations.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
Thanks, Cain.  That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for.  I'm better at noticing it than I was, but I still need some assistance every so often.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2012, 04:51:34 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 04, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 04, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
I personally blame it on Ayn Rand's derptastic rereading of Nietzsche, which committed the kind of literary and philosophical crimes Frau Forster could not even manage and then introduced them in an American-friendly package.

I'm thinking of a few things Gary Brecher said about generals who had no plan.

Yup.  And this is even worse.  America has no grand strategy.  The closest it got was with the "Pacific Pivot", which was a) pants and b) didn't even begin to address America's structural issues. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 05, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 03:41:14 PM
Thanks, Cain.  That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for.  I'm better at noticing it than I was, but I still need some assistance every so often.

The whole DNC is going to be filled with stuff like this.  Look at the on-message discipline the Democrats are displaying.  The entire event is going to be stage-managed, down to every last off the cuff statement.

Democrat partisans are practically orgasming right now.  They're comparing this performance to the 2004 RNC, which should tell you pretty much everything you need to know.  It is, quite frankly, embarrassing and more than a little bit sordid.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Video of Paul Ryan at a Labor Day parade, last year, already practicing ducking questions from actual constituents. 

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/09/video-paul-ryan-meets-angry-protests-at-labor-day-parade/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Another thing to look out for with the 2004 tactics is going over the top and implicitly calling Romney a traitor because of offshore investments made by a blind trust.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 05, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
I'm a hopeless Democrat stooge because I have liked all 2 of the speeches I've watched so far. Especially that pretty black lady.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 07:57:44 PM
She, uh... Well, if we're gonna give Ann Romney a hard time about not really being poor, the Obamas weren't exactly working class either, though she tried hard to make it sound that way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Another thing to look out for with the 2004 tactics is going over the top and implicitly calling Romney a traitor because of offshore investments made by a blind trust.

Except that some guy once said that blaming where your money is on a blind trust an "age-old ruse."  That was back in 1994, in a campaign against Ted Kennedy...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/democalypse-2012---bain-damage---romney-s-blind-trust

If you're gonna use an excuse for something, try to make the excuse one that you haven't gone on the record with as stating is bullshit. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 05, 2012, 08:08:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 07:57:44 PM
She, uh... Well, if we're gonna give Ann Romney a hard time about not really being poor, the Obamas weren't exactly working class either, though she tried hard to make it sound that way.

I would be willing to bet that they were considerably closer to real life than the Romneys ever were, but you're right. I am just less likely to care because her speech was way better. I'm a cheap date, politically speaking.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 05, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Another thing to look out for with the 2004 tactics is going over the top and implicitly calling Romney a traitor because of offshore investments made by a blind trust.

Except that some guy once said that blaming where your money is on a blind trust an "age-old ruse."  That was back in 1994, in a campaign against Ted Kennedy...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/democalypse-2012---bain-damage---romney-s-blind-trust

If you're gonna use an excuse for something, try to make the excuse one that you haven't gone on the record with as stating is bullshit.

Sure, but calling him unpatriotic because he made offshore investments?  Hypocritical, sure, but don't go beating the chest of nationalism too hard for something that isn't actually traitorous.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 05, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Another thing to look out for with the 2004 tactics is going over the top and implicitly calling Romney a traitor because of offshore investments made by a blind trust.

Except that some guy once said that blaming where your money is on a blind trust an "age-old ruse."  That was back in 1994, in a campaign against Ted Kennedy...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/democalypse-2012---bain-damage---romney-s-blind-trust

If you're gonna use an excuse for something, try to make the excuse one that you haven't gone on the record with as stating is bullshit.

Sure, but calling him unpatriotic because he made offshore investments?  Hypocritical, sure, but don't go beating the chest of nationalism too hard for something that isn't actually traitorous.

"Unpatriotic" != "traitorous"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 05, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 05, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Another thing to look out for with the 2004 tactics is going over the top and implicitly calling Romney a traitor because of offshore investments made by a blind trust.

Except that some guy once said that blaming where your money is on a blind trust an "age-old ruse."  That was back in 1994, in a campaign against Ted Kennedy...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/democalypse-2012---bain-damage---romney-s-blind-trust

If you're gonna use an excuse for something, try to make the excuse one that you haven't gone on the record with as stating is bullshit.

Sure, but calling him unpatriotic because he made offshore investments?  Hypocritical, sure, but don't go beating the chest of nationalism too hard for something that isn't actually traitorous.

"Unpatriotic" != "traitorous"

Also, "offshore investments" is misleading. These accounts exist explicitly and solely for the purpose of dodging taxes. They are only "investments" in a secondary, far less meaningful way.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 05, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Hm.  Point.  So, are these actions unpatriotic?  Do tax shelters make people "Bad Americans"?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Hm.  Point.  So, are these actions unpatriotic?  Do tax shelters make people "Bad Americans"?

Yes.  If you live in a society and gain from it's benefits (roads, schools, etc), then you pay back in.  Hiding your taxable cash overseas is stealing from everyone around you, especially the next generation...And the fact that you have to be rich to bother doing it makes it even more odious.  Those who benefit most pay least.  It's fucking backwards, and the people that do it should be shown for precisely what they are.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 05, 2012, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Hm.  Point.  So, are these actions unpatriotic?  Do tax shelters make people "Bad Americans"?

Since I don't believe in nationality, I don't believe there's a "wrong" way to be a National. At a certain point in wealth accumulation, there's a fundamental disconnect I don't think anyone can be reasonably expected to compensate for. The super wealthy might be assholes, but it's not entirely their own fault. Their set of circumstances and stimuli do not provide a real way for them to identify with, connect with, or help the less fortunate other than the bullshit "charity" gestures they might make. From a moral perspective there's nothing "wrong" with this, it's just the way it is. People will protect what's theirs to whatever extent they can, provided it's more convenient than just paying taxes.

From a practical perspective, it's fucked as shit. Tax havens and shelters are engineered to sidestep a society's sole method of ensuring equal opportunity to all members. There are two reasons you'd try to evade taxes: A) you are protecting what's yours on a strictly territorial/monkey level, or B) you honestly detest the idea of equal opportunity. Regardless of your reasoning, society should have the power to stop you from doing it, even if it hurts your feelings, because society as a whole is more important than you are as an individual.

So on moral grounds I give tax evasion a pass, but on social/practical grounds don't. If there's a difference.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 05, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Hm.  Point.  So, are these actions unpatriotic?  Do tax shelters make people "Bad Americans"?

Yes.  If you live in a society and gain from it's benefits (roads, schools, etc), then you pay back in.  Hiding your taxable cash overseas is stealing from everyone around you, especially the next generation...And the fact that you have to be rich to bother doing it makes it even more odious.  Those who benefit most pay least.  It's fucking backwards, and the people that do it should be shown for precisely what they are.

This.

There's also the fact to consider that he is (at the moment) fervently anti-choice... yet made millions investing in a company which disposed of aborted fetuses...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 05, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Bain got a ten million dollar bailout by the FDIC?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Net on September 05, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Bain got a ten million dollar bailout by the FDIC?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829

Factcheck:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bidens-incorrect-claim-that-a-bain-bailout-cost-american-taxpayers/2012/09/03/b349eab8-f5db-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checke
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 05, 2012, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 05, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Net on September 05, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Bain got a ten million dollar bailout by the FDIC?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829

Factcheck:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bidens-incorrect-claim-that-a-bain-bailout-cost-american-taxpayers/2012/09/03/b349eab8-f5db-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checke

Hmmm...

Quote
As we noted: "That's right — no taxpayer money is involved. The FDIC prides itself on not taking taxpayer funds."

The Rolling Stone article concedes this point: "While taxpayers did not finance the bailout, the debt forgiven by the government was booked as a loss to the FDIC – and then recouped through higher insurance premiums from banks."

The article argues that because such fees typically are passed on by banks to consumers, then the American people "ultimately" paid for the loan reduction. That is certainly an interesting argument, but it's not the same thing as "the government and American taxpayers."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 05, 2012, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: Net on September 05, 2012, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 05, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Net on September 05, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Bain got a ten million dollar bailout by the FDIC?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829

Factcheck:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/bidens-incorrect-claim-that-a-bain-bailout-cost-american-taxpayers/2012/09/03/b349eab8-f5db-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checke

Hmmm...

Quote
As we noted: "That's right — no taxpayer money is involved. The FDIC prides itself on not taking taxpayer funds."

The Rolling Stone article concedes this point: "While taxpayers did not finance the bailout, the debt forgiven by the government was booked as a loss to the FDIC – and then recouped through higher insurance premiums from banks."

The article argues that because such fees typically are passed on by banks to consumers, then the American people "ultimately" paid for the loan reduction. That is certainly an interesting argument, but it's not the same thing as "the government and American taxpayers."

Yeah...  It was, in fact, a bailout, it was financed by the FDIC, which ultimately passed on the cost... but it wasn't DIRECTLY taxpayer money.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2012, 12:36:23 PM
lolz

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169757/exclusive-paul-ryan-quietly-requested-obamacare-cash

QuoteRepublican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan is barnstorming the country, promising to repeal every provision of the Affordable Care Act if the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected. But a letter he wrote to the Obama administration may undermine this message.

On December 10, 2010, Ryan penned a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services to recommend a grant application for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan's district. "The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages who are currently without healthcare," Ryan wrote.

The grant Ryan requested was funded directly by the Affordable Care Act, better known simply as healthcare reform or Obamacare.

Note: Lee Fang is a slimy and disingenuous piece of shit who frequently scatters inaccuracies, falsehoods and out of context data in his articles...but as far as I can tell, this letter is legit (a PDF of it, and the response, are hosted on Gawker).
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 12:49:14 PM
Anybody else catch this bit?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

Quote from: Paul Ryan at RNC
He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report.  He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

Apparently, "THEM" is a bit misleading.  Paul Ryan was ON said debt commission... which means he should have KNOWN that there was no "urgent report."  No report was ever placed on Obama's desk, because it was voted down in committee.

Ryan voted against it because, among other things, it didn't cut Medicare...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/fact-check-ryan-debt-commission/index.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 06, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
I think I need a refesher on the different types of fallacies, because for some of these, "lies" doesn't quite fit.

For example, if you're going to compare Obama and Carter, and say that Carter's unemployment was 7.8%, and Obama's has been over 8%, but leave out that both Bush and Reagan had rates of over 9%, that's not really a lie, but it's a really poor way to frame the situation.

And saying Obama took $716B from Medicare, while neglecting to mention Ryan's own plan does the same, is also not quite a "lie". 

I'd call it "blatant bullshit", but there has to be a better term for the kind of rhetorical chicanery that's going on here, right?


Also, anyone notice any big factual errors in Warren's or Clinton's speeches last night?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
"Removing context" and "selective reporting" would seem to cover both of those.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:30:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
...
Also, anyone notice any big factual errors in Warren's or Clinton's speeches last night?

Yeah.  I'd quote the good bits, but I'm already getting election burnout.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-bill-clintons-speech-and-other-democrats-at-the-convention-in-charlotte/2012/09/06/55b9df68-f7e1-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_blog.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2012, 02:37:05 PM
Glenn Kessler is in the tank for Romney so much it's not funny.  He was defending that idiotic "Romney wasn't CEO of Bain" story right up to the point where the documents came out, and then backpedaled by trying to say Romney wasn't making any real decisions, he was just a figurehead.

I wouldn't trust his fact-checking skills when it comes to anything to do with the 2012 race.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 06, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
A lot of that article wasn't fact-checking so much as debating provisions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
A lot of that article wasn't fact-checking so much as debating provisions.

Granted...  However, had there been any blatant, flag waving lies, I would expect them to have caught it.  I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
Wait...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/romney-camp-announces-black-leadership-council

The Romney Campaign just announced their "Black Leadership Council." 

QuoteThe council will "help facilitate dialogue between Mitt Romney and respected leaders who provide unique expertise, experience and knowledge on a range of issues impacting black American communities," according to the campaign.

Chaired by Tim Scott and Allen West.

This can't possibly go badly.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:41:56 PM
It's hilarious.  The token commission.

Anyway, after Rove and the Koch brothers pulled funding in PA, it seems Romney won't be campaigning there at all.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2012, 05:48:09 PM
ANNNNNNNNND add Michigan to that list.   :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: hirley0 on September 06, 2012, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 12:49:14 PM
Anybody else catch this bit?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

Quote from: Paul Ryan at RNC
He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report.  He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

Apparently, "THEM" is a bit misleading.  Paul Ryan was ON said debt commission... which means he should have KNOWN that there was no "urgent report."  No report was ever placed on Obama's desk, because it was voted down in committee.

Ryan voted against it because, among other things, it didn't cut Medicare...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/fact-check-ryan-debt-commission/index.html

No.
as A West coaster its CLEAR anything East of the Mississippi
OR the continental divide for that matter is simply GARBAGE
& thier4 simply does not Matter. THE "PRIMARIES" are about
over. preparations R under way for the second dairy. BWUW
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Dems are already excitedly talking about Hillary Clinton/Michelle Obama in 2016.

:horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 06, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
Wait...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/romney-camp-announces-black-leadership-council

The Romney Campaign just announced their "Black Leadership Council." 

QuoteThe council will "help facilitate dialogue between Mitt Romney and respected leaders who provide unique expertise, experience and knowledge on a range of issues impacting black American communities," according to the campaign.

Chaired by Tim Scott and Allen West.

This can't possibly go badly.


:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: GOLDEN!!!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 06, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 06, 2012, 06:35:10 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Dems are already excitedly talking about Hillary Clinton/Michelle Obama in 2016.

:horrormirth:

OMG, I hope hope hope that happens! The anti-woman rhetoric the Republicans will trot out will make this year pale by comparison!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 06, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
True, that would be amusing.

I just think this fetish for hereditary rule is getting somewhat out of control.  If the US is going to go all aristocratic, I at least want to see it go in a Game of Thrones direction.  The House of Bush betraying the House of Clinton and allying with them to attack the upstart House of Obama and slaughtering all their bannermen.  Joe Liberman owning a brothel.  Castrating the Director of National Intelligence.  That kind of thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 06, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 05, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Hm.  Point.  So, are these actions unpatriotic?  Do tax shelters make people "Bad Americans"?

Yes. Refusing to contribute into the system that makes up the functioning infrastructure of your country is pretty much, by definition, unpatriotic.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 06, 2012, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 06, 2012, 08:18:24 PM
True, that would be amusing.

I just think this fetish for hereditary rule is getting somewhat out of control.  If the US is going to go all aristocratic, I at least want to see it go in a Game of Thrones direction.  The House of Bush betraying the House of Clinton and allying with them to attack the upstart House of Obama and slaughtering all their bannermen.  Joe Liberman owning a brothel.  Castrating the Director of National Intelligence.  That kind of thing.

:lulz: Yeah, if we're going to be ruled by a hereditary aristocracy (and we are) it better get funny up in there. I want some drama.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 09:46:12 PM
Heh.  Seen the ad with the hispanic woman saying she voted for Obama last time, but she's "breaking up" with him this year?

RNC staffer...

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/rnc-staffer-plays-obama-supporter-in-gop-ad.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 06, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
A lot of that article wasn't fact-checking so much as debating provisions.

Interesting article on that, here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/true_but_also_lewinsky.php?ref=fpblg

Essentially, "if that's all you've got to bitch about, then it was mostly accurate, yes?"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Golden Applesauce on September 06, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Obligatory mention that reading level metrics don't mean a whole lot when applied to speeches, and that being able to produce works that score highly on these metrics is not a mark of intelligence, sophistication, or skill. The harder something is to read, the higher it scores, which means that worse communicators will naturally tend to score "higher."

The mark of a skilled communicator is the ability to target a specific reading level range. Assuming both parties can afford to hire competent speechwriters, this says more about who they intend their target audience to be.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 06, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on September 06, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Obligatory mention that reading level metrics don't mean a whole lot when applied to speeches, and that being able to produce works that score highly on these metrics is not a mark of intelligence, sophistication, or skill. The harder something is to read, the higher it scores, which means that worse communicators will naturally tend to score "higher."

The mark of a skilled communicator is the ability to target a specific reading level range. Assuming both parties can afford to hire competent speechwriters, this says more about who they intend their target audience to be.

It really, really does, doesn't it?  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 06, 2012, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 06, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Golden Applesauce on September 06, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 06, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Interesting tidbit...

They scored the speeches given by the First Lady and Ann Romney at their respective conventions.

Ann Romney's speech at the RNC came in at the lowest grade level for the wife of the candidate in the history of conventions.  Fifth grade level.

Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC came in at the HIGHEST grade level for the wife of the candidate, at 12th grade.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

Obligatory mention that reading level metrics don't mean a whole lot when applied to speeches, and that being able to produce works that score highly on these metrics is not a mark of intelligence, sophistication, or skill. The harder something is to read, the higher it scores, which means that worse communicators will naturally tend to score "higher."

The mark of a skilled communicator is the ability to target a specific reading level range. Assuming both parties can afford to hire competent speechwriters, this says more about who they intend their target audience to be.

It really, really does, doesn't it?  :horrormirth:

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking... 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Bu🤠ns on September 07, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
This is really just for the purposes of not being able to UNsee it.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zfxq0pAS1qc9wrn.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2012, 04:04:01 PM
I found this amusing:

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/09/07/opinion/080712krugman1/080712krugman1-blog480.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 07, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on September 07, 2012, 04:04:01 PM
I found this amusing:

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/09/07/opinion/080712krugman1/080712krugman1-blog480.jpg)

Uhhhh whoa, yes it is!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 07, 2012, 05:20:32 PM
In terms of organization and doctrine, the Republicans have been stealing notes from the Bolsheviks since the 1980s.  They got all so excited about mostly imaginary Leninist and Gramscian conspiracies, they went ahead and invented their own to push their particular agenda.

That the Republicans also act as the extreme vanguard of capitalism, much in the way the Bolsheviks were the extreme vanguard of Marxism, helps explain other similarities between the two.

And that they're now using Soviet Realism to idolise party leaders is an excellent data point in the direction of them being entirely unoringinal.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 07, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
What I love about Cain's posts is that his insightful, interesting, and concise posts make the picture even funnier for me.

Plus, I learned something, too!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 08, 2012, 10:56:37 AM
Wow, the RNC really is looking to piss off journalists...

http://exiledonline.com/journalists-at-the-rnc-either-suck-up-to-power-or-risk-attack/

QuoteAnother incident that was caught on tape but never made it to the mainstream news involved an unidentified daughter of casino multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson. The young oligarch-heiress went on a rampage against Democracy Now! senior producer Mike Burke as he attempted to interview her father in a crowded backstage hallway. She body-checked Burke, threatened to hit him, grabbed his partner's video camera, threw it to the ground and then brazenly attempted to seize the evidence of her attack by hiding the camera in her billionaire father's private RNC skybox. Realizing his camera had been knocked out of commission, Burke whipped out his Android and started recording what was going. But even then, one of Adelson's guards tried to grab it out of his hand.

It's not clear which one of Adelson's daughters she is (he has at least three), but judging by the video it could  be Sivan Ochshorn. Not much is known about her, other than she "studied astrophysics and business administration" and gave a cool half a mil to Newt Gingrich's super PAC.

Burke had been doing an amazing journalistic job throughout the convention, trolling the RNC backstage, asking hard questions about the corrupting influence of the oligarchy and even managing to snatch a quick, uncomfortable interview with David Koch, before the libertarian billionaire scuttled into a side passage for safety. Burke was doing what real journalists are supposed to do—challenge power, make the powerful squirm, and reveal to the American public what was really happening behind the PR curtain of the RNC show. Burke was just about the only journalist of the thousands who showed up who was actually doing his job, and a great job it was—right up until the moment Adelson's daughter psychically assaulted him and his camera operator.

Good for us, the whole episode was caught on tape. It clearly shows Adelson's daughter assaulting Burke unprovoked. And yet despite the hard video evidence, the news majors buried it. It never made it to print, TV or cable broadcast news. The only coverage, to the extent that there's been any, was restricted to a couple of short blog posts. New York Magazine, Politico, New York Times and a couple of other outlets blogged the incident, but their reporting was so shallow and "balanced" that it ended it up trivializing the attack and letting Adelson and his petulant oligarch heiress off the hook.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 08, 2012, 11:05:26 AM
Ames has commentary on Clinton's speech

http://nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/bernie-bernbaum-does-america

QuoteAnd yet as putrid goes, this is nothing compared to the decomposing Democratic Party politics and bullshit wafting out of Charlotte. Whether it was Clinton whinging for hours on end that he and Obama have done everything the Republicans said we should do — and by golly, not even a thank you kiss? And golly, the Republicans themselves never live up to their own vision for America, they just go all crazy 'n' stuff — but Barack and I, we're the only ones carrying out the Republican right program! We killed welfare; I deregulated banking, while Barack upped the banking bailouts and completely screwed millions of homeowners after promising help; we both presided over massive increases in wealth inequality; I, not the Republicans, created NAFTA and destroyed American manufacturing, while Barack Obama has been working tirelessly to expand free trade agreements to ensure that Americans never work anywhere but as Wal-Mart store greeters ever again!

"You Republicans talk about busting unions — heck, Barack Obama has done more to bust teachers' unions than any y'alls! How do we know that we're more anti-union than you while pretending to be pro-union? Just look around you: Almost every union is boycotting this convention! [APPLAUSE, HIGH FIVES] While Republicans talk about cutting the deficit, I'm the one who slashed welfare and turned the deficits into surpluses [CHEERS] While President Obama's deficit commission laid out the first real Republican rightwing blueprint to privatizing Medicare and Social Security, and you and I all know that when Barack Obama is re-elected, he will privatize every last fucking social program in existence [CHEERS ON THEIR FEET] Because We. Are. The. Real. Republicans [APPLAUSE, CHEERS!]. It's that simple. Barack Obama created the framework for the Republican dismantling of every last program with the Simpson-Bowles Commission, and guess what? Paul Ryan voted it down. Really, who's the Republican Right-winger here, huh guys? America, I ask you: What else can we do to prove how Republican we really are? For forty years, we've been trying to score a date with the Republicans, and they just keep spurning us and saying mean things about us, and treating us like we're weird stalkers hanging outside their houses all the time. Well, guess what? The more you spurn us, the more Republican we'll be. It's almost like you want us to be this way or something, god you folks are really dumb! Like it or not, we're gonna just keep trying to be Republican, America! And that's why you oughtta vote for Barack Obama!"

I'm paraphrasing of course — the real text was far more sinister than that. It's why I went missing for those 36 hours. You can't listen to that, and be anywhere near "the grid" if you want to keep your sanity. This grotesque '90s-retro is worse than cultural stagnation. And pandering to the worst, wrongest failures this country's elite has every produced.

The pandering to the Republican right-wing vision is everywhere, even areas we're starting to take for granted. Like MSNBC — everyone on the "progressive" side decided that the answer to FoxNews was not better, smarter, meaner, tougher journalism, but rather, "a liberal FoxNews, only done better and more competently." In other words, exactly what the Democratic Party is to the Republicans. In fact, MSNBC's coverage of the convention was a fucking atrocity — it looked just like the shameless groveling propaganda TV coverage in Russia of Putin's United Russia party conventions. Uncritical (except for Chris Hayes), fawning (Chris Matthews, the poster child of American cultural stagnation, wet his pants on cue again for Obama — he actually called Obama's speech a "Home Run"), degrading.

It's insane, actually, and frightening, and delusional — and as doomed as it is smug, like a serious earnest version of that atrocious self-congratulatory "Rally for Sanity" event from a few years ago. That event celebrated de-politicized, disempowered middle-class liberal know-it-alls on the theory that they "get it." It was in fact nothing but another advance in sophisticated marketing masquerading as substantive politics. The perfect genetic code for the Democratic Party of Barack Obama. So they took the worst of the "Rally for Sanity" without even the few funny parts, extracted its DNA, made it as awful and vapid as it could be, and the message came out loud and clear: "We're the real Republican Party, we're just the sane version, ha-ha! We're sane Republicans and you're not! Joke's on you! Ha-ha! Boy are we competent and smart, and boy are you folks dumb and crazy!"

Clinton's act was bad enough, but my mental health was already fragile after Michelle Obama's performance the day before, when she pulled a Bernie Bernbaum act on America. Bernie Berbaum was the John Turturro character in "Miller's Crossing" — a sly, lying thief "who ain't got any etics" as the mob boss who wants Bernie Bernbaum whacked says.

So as Gabriel Byrne's character death-marches Bernie Bernbaum out into the forest to whack him, Bernbaum breaks down crying and begging for his life, falling to his knees covered in slobber and tears: "Look into your heart! Look into your heart!"

That was Michelle Obama's pitch to America: Forget about how badly we've screwed you, forget about how we completely poisoned progressive politics with our bait-and-switch of the past four years. Instead, she squirted a few with a "Look into your heart! Look into your heart, America!" performance that deserves a Golden Globe. But letting off a lying scumbag just because they've learned how to an squirt a few on cue is a fatal mistake, as Gabriel Byrne's character learned: As soon as he looked into his heart and let Bernie Bernbaum go, Berbaum turned around and did the only thing he Bernie Bernbaum knows how to do: Blackmailing Gabriel Byrne for letting him go rather than killing him as the mob boss ordered, and as Byrne should've done.

Like the Obamas, Bernie Bernbaum couldn't plead his case based on his record — he'd've been shot before he got out of the car if he brought it up. Same went with the Obama speeches: Skip over the record of lies and fraud over the past four years, and instead beg voters, with tears running down your face, "Look into your heart! Look into your heart!"

In fact the Team Obama/Dem Party "Bernie Bernbaum Strategy" is summed up neatly later in the film, when Gabriel Byrne once again fails in his mission to take out Bernbaum. It was at this moment that Turturro's Bernie Bernbaum revealed his true self: Glaring at Gabriel Byrne with pure, utter contempt (sort of the way the Democrat Establishment must view the idiots who still vote for them), and Bernbaum says: "What were you gonna do if you caught me? I'd just squirt a few and then you'd let me go again."

So they squirted a few — and we'll probably let them go again.

In the movie, Gabriel Byrne's character overcomes this weakness and whacks Turturro on his third try— but that's just Hollywood. In 2012 America, despite the worst economic crisis in 80 years and nothing fixed, Team Obama has clearly calculated that all it needs to do is squirt a few, and he'll get away with the past four years of ratfucking his supporters, and be given the opportunity to do it again to the same suckers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on September 11, 2012, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 08, 2012, 11:05:26 AM
Ames has commentary on Clinton's speech

http://nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/bernie-bernbaum-does-america

Quote"You Republicans talk about busting unions — heck, Barack Obama has done more to bust teachers' unions than any y'alls! How do we know that we're more anti-union than you while pretending to be pro-union? Just look around you: Almost every union is boycotting this convention! [APPLAUSE, HIGH FIVES] While Republicans talk about cutting the deficit, I'm the one who slashed welfare and turned the deficits into surpluses [CHEERS] While President Obama's deficit commission laid out the first real Republican rightwing blueprint to privatizing Medicare and Social Security, and you and I all know that when Barack Obama is re-elected, he will privatize every last fucking social program in existence [CHEERS ON THEIR FEET] Because We. Are. The. Real. Republicans [APPLAUSE, CHEERS!]. It's that simple. Barack Obama created the framework for the Republican dismantling of every last program with the Simpson-Bowles Commission, and guess what? Paul Ryan voted it down. Really, who's the Republican Right-winger here, huh guys? America, I ask you: What else can we do to prove how Republican we really are? For forty years, we've been trying to score a date with the Republicans, and they just keep spurning us and saying mean things about us, and treating us like we're weird stalkers hanging outside their houses all the time. Well, guess what? The more you spurn us, the more Republican we'll be. It's almost like you want us to be this way or something, god you folks are really dumb! Like it or not, we're gonna just keep trying to be Republican, America! And that's why you oughtta vote for Barack Obama!"

Um.  Wow.  That's pretty damn awesome.


And how is it that Democracy now isn't pressing charges, when they have videotaped evidence?  Is FL one of those "third party consent" states, where it's illegal to tape someone without their permission?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 11, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
Democracy Now struggle to pay for cameras.

Adelson is a multi-billionaire.

It may seem like a slam dunk, what with the evidence, but their lawyers would no doubt draw it out, making it long and painful for Democracy Now, with an intent to bankrupt them.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 12, 2012, 04:30:45 PM
Jesus.

In other news, Romney thinks his heritage is Mexican.

http://youtu.be/jk2ExIR_T2o
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 12, 2012, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 12, 2012, 04:30:45 PM
Jesus.

In other news, Romney thinks his heritage is Mexican.

http://youtu.be/jk2ExIR_T2o

I want to see someone punch that guy in the face so bad.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 14, 2012, 04:49:43 AM
Oh, my...

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/09/racist-asshat-clown-could-cost-romney-virginia/

This guy has been ruled to have qualified to appear on the state ballot in Virginia for President.  He's running on a platform of stop all abortions, stop all free trade agreements, stop all immigration (legal and illegal).  He may pull a lot of the conservative vote from Romney, in Virginia, which is a swing state Romney probably needs...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 14, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

This will be good.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 14, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 14, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

This will be good.

I just can't wrap my brain around this level of stupid.  I just don't get it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 14, 2012, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 14, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

This will be good.

I just can't wrap my brain around this level of stupid.  I just don't get it.

It's fucking KANSAS.  It's like Arizona, only you can grow food there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: inode_buddha on September 16, 2012, 02:01:13 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 14, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

This will be good.

I just can't wrap my brain around this level of stupid.  I just don't get it.

Its called cognitive dissonance.  I've got family members who are like that. Extremely conservative, to the point that it psycologically cripples them. They are simply unable to admit anything which might require them to change, an iota. This is why you have people saying black is white, war is peace, Big Brother, TSA, etc.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 16, 2012, 02:36:45 AM
Couple of articles I found interesting:

http://eclectablog.com/2012/09/the-media-turns-on-romney-mark-halperin-on-the-romney-death-stench.html

http://eclectablog.com/2012/09/conservatives-rush-in-to-bail-out-romney-create-fake-controversy-over-obamas-presidential-daily-briefings.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 16, 2012, 02:42:30 AM
Quote from: inode_buddha on September 16, 2012, 02:01:13 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 14, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 14, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
The Kansas State Objections Board is considering removing Obama from the ballot, since they have no absolute proof that he was born in America.

Do I need to add that the board is composed entirely of Republicans?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/sep/13/state-panel-wants-more-information-ruling-obamas-b/

This will be good.

I just can't wrap my brain around this level of stupid.  I just don't get it.

Its called cognitive dissonance.  I've got family members who are like that. Extremely conservative, to the point that it psycologically cripples them. They are simply unable to admit anything which might require them to change, an iota. This is why you have people saying black is white, war is peace, Big Brother, TSA, etc.

Perhaps of more import is that such beliefs earn one a position in a social ecology. Fucking with the tribe by challenging central beliefs could cost you a huge chunk, if not your entire system of social support—a prospect that only a few hundred years ago would mean almost certain death, and even to this day means severe stress that significantly increases the likelihood of death.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 17, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Funny, Romney hasn't made this part of his public campaign...

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/14/850061/romney-pornography-prosecutions/

He's been promising he'll prosecute pornography, across the board.

Also, this bit...  Recorded at a private fundraiser, saying that 47% of Americans are, essentially, lazy moochers who'll vote for Obama no matter what, because the government feeds, houses, and takes care of them.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/17/862281/romney-writes-off-low-income/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 18, 2012, 03:13:17 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 18, 2012, 05:00:55 AM
Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 07:28:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.

This guy is awesome.  He STILL can't get it through his head that on the campaign trail, THERE IS NO PRIVACY.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
The best part is these seem to be meetings of privately invited super-rich donors.

So either Romney has horrified a former dependable paymaster for the Republicans, or somehow the Democrats have managed to get a mole into his camp.

Either way, it doesn't sound good for him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
The best part is these seem to be meetings of privately invited super-rich donors.

So either Romney has horrified a former dependable paymaster for the Republicans, or somehow the Democrats have managed to get a mole into his camp.

Either way, it doesn't sound good for him.

The best part is that now he can't trust anyone.  I mean, it could just as easily be a staffer.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
Well, that was what I was thinking in terms of a mole.

Also, a lot of his staffers openly despise each other, so getting them fighting and stabbing each other in the back is hardly difficult work.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 07:42:11 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
Well, that was what I was thinking in terms of a mole.

Also, a lot of his staffers openly despise each other, so getting them fighting and stabbing each other in the back is hardly difficult work.

What's annoying me about this election is that it isn't even happening.  Obama's letting Romney run against himself, and Romney can't even control his own staff.  I prefer a little more sport in my blood sport.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 08:22:12 PM
Obama was prepared to go very negative this election, but I think someone in his campaign decided at this point, picking on Romney would actually engender more sympathy for him than anything else.

That said, for some reason, the UK Tories are really ripping into Romney, even currently.  It's quite unprecedented to see a sitting Prime Minister direct so much vitriol at a nominee in a foreign state before now. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 08:22:12 PM
Obama was prepared to go very negative this election, but I think someone in his campaign decided at this point, picking on Romney would actually engender more sympathy for him than anything else.

That said, for some reason, the UK Tories are really ripping into Romney, even currently.  It's quite unprecedented to see a sitting Prime Minister direct so much vitriol at a nominee in a foreign state before now.

Hardly surprising, after Romney's whirlwind "Shitting on Our Best Friends" tour.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
Yeah, but for a lot of the Tory Party it is still Feburary 2003, Republicans are awesome, peaceniks and people who criticise America suck, and it's time to get with the program.  Cameron did say he wasn't "pro-American" but instead was an Atlanticist who would look to the British national interest first and foremost, but I didn't for a minute think he actually meant it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
Yeah, but for a lot of the Tory Party it is still Feburary 2003, Republicans are awesome, peaceniks and people who criticise America suck, and it's time to get with the program.  Cameron did say he wasn't "pro-American" but instead was an Atlanticist who would look to the British national interest first and foremost, but I didn't for a minute think he actually meant it.

I think the last vertebrate you had in the PM's office was John Major, but I'm afraid I don't know enough to make that a statement rather than an ill-informed opinion.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 18, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
The Gray Man had a surprising amount of spine, given his reputation as being boring and a pushover, yes.  I know he refused to be drawn into Bosnia at all, which earned him the emnity of British Neocons and Liberal Interventionists alike, though I'm not sure if that was more him, or Malcom Rifkind. 

The more I think about it, given the corrupt and feckless idiots he surrounded himself with, it probably was him who was responsible for it, rather than the idiots in the Cabinet.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".

We Americans like to pretend that we are still a union of various technically complete States. In practice, we are more or less provinces, except we allow rednecks to make a lot of rules in their respective provinces.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".

We Americans like to pretend that we are still a union of various technically complete States. In practice, we are more or less provinces, except we allow rednecks to make a lot of rules in their respective provinces.

Balls.  We're 50 big counties, all adoring the emperor.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 18, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 18, 2012, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".

We Americans like to pretend that we are still a union of various technically complete States. In practice, we are more or less provinces, except we allow rednecks to make a lot of rules in their respective provinces.

Balls.  We're 50 big counties, all adoring the emperor.



Well yeah, right now, with the SOCIALIST KENYAN in office. But that'll all change when we elect the MORMON. Just you wait and see.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 18, 2012, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 18, 2012, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".

We Americans like to pretend that we are still a union of various technically complete States. In practice, we are more or less provinces, except we allow rednecks to make a lot of rules in their respective provinces.

Balls.  We're 50 big counties, all adoring the emperor.



Well yeah, right now, with the SOCIALIST KENYAN in office. But that'll all change when we elect the MORMON. Just you wait and see.

A CLOSED MIND GATHERS NO HERESIES.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 18, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 18, 2012, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
Quote from: Fidel Castro on September 18, 2012, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: v3x on September 18, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 18, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2012, 07:25:35 PM
Another leaked tape out today, showing Romney's, uh, imaginative view of Middle Eastern politics.

And by that, I mean fantastical plots of Iran asking Hezbollah to smuggle a dirty bomb into the USA, and how all Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.
Just watched it, Upworthy have it with a transcript for anyone interested (http://www.upworthy.com/hard-to-believe-but-this-leaked-romney-video-is-even-worse?g=2&c=bl3).
I was very distracted by how he seems to use "nation" to refer to what I think of as a "state".

We Americans like to pretend that we are still a union of various technically complete States. In practice, we are more or less provinces, except we allow rednecks to make a lot of rules in their respective provinces.

Balls.  We're 50 big counties, all adoring the emperor.



Well yeah, right now, with the SOCIALIST KENYAN in office. But that'll all change when we elect the MORMON. Just you wait and see.

A CLOSED MIND GATHERS NO HERESIES.

Yeah and an open mind lets in the rats.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 19, 2012, 07:35:20 AM
AIPAC throws Romney under a bus. (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4283241,00.html) Never thought I'd see the day.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 19, 2012, 08:41:52 AM
ANNNNND Romney's lost everbody but guys like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLeQbwuKys&feature=youtu.be) :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
As Daniel Larison points out, this speaks to a deep contradiction in Romney's (and to an extent, all Movement Conservatives) worldview:

QuoteConservatives are always complaining about elites that look down them and have no respect for them, so they should have no difficulty recognizing unvarnished elite contempt as unmistakable as this [Romney's statements].

These comments also reflect Romney's political ineptitude. A significant portion of the 47% that don't pay income tax were already going to vote for him. They aren't out of reach, and they aren't going to vote for Obama "no matter what." Many of them would probably never vote for Obama, and their reasons might have nothing to do with taxes or benefits. They are already on his side, and Romney doesn't even seem to know it. What makes the remarks even less defensible is that Romney should want as few Americans paying taxes as possible. Not paying income tax isn't a gateway to government dependency. It's supposed to represent relief from government.

Taxes are BADWRONG but not paying taxes is even more badwrong.  Yeah, not exactly a logical worldview we are talking about here, is it?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 19, 2012, 01:54:03 PM
I think the key to that contradiction is that this type of "conservatism" is based on utilizing the fact that people are more comfortable looking down on others than being looked down on by them. The facts don't matter a bit, you just have to tell people that they're better than That Other Guy, for whatever reason (race, income, culture, education, whatever) and they feel you're on their side. It's a sickeningly simple method for creating false consciousness, and the GOP is nothing if not the part of false consciousness when it comes to these things.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Oh, I agree with Corey Robin's thesis, that conservatism is essentially a project aimed at preserving and extending private domains of hierarchy against formal and political equality.

But these kinds of things are still useful.  Not at least because it allows you to play games with conservatives, such as "what is worse: people not paying taxes, or people having to pay taxes at all", which can cause hilarious flare-ups and cognitive dissonance.  Of course, we all know the real answer, the worst thing is poor people not being shat on continually by their betters, but by pointing out the logical contradiction in the formal statements allows us to discern the underlying positions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on September 19, 2012, 02:42:15 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 19, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
Taxes are BADWRONG but not paying taxes is even more badwrong.  Yeah, not exactly a logical worldview we are talking about here, is it?

It's welfare queens driving Cadillacs and strapping young bucks buying T-Bones with food stamps for a post-racial America.  On the one hand, it's at least a step forward, because without the overt racial component the listener is free to imagine whomever they like.  Their brother in law who cheats on his taxes and has been milking a bogus workmanship comp claim for the better half of the last decade, for example, rather than the black family across the street.

On the other hand it's a step backward, because it separates the 47% of "parasites" from the tax implications and assigns them membership in a party that they don't actually belong to (seriously, one of the bigger chunks of the 47% are senior citizens, and they've been consistently in the Romney camp).

Personally though, I'm looking forward to posting Romney's comments from a few months ago "Take your hate filled campaign of division ... Back to Chicago" alongside of his 47% comments.  It has potential to drive a few folks over the edge.  Mostly because the wingnuts I know we're all aflutter over the former comments.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 19, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
That is a good one.

Incidentally, while searching my own archives, I came across this wingnut fanfic from 2008, projecting what 2012 would be like.  Read it and weep

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_oD1Vj1azKIKqfKehlNjjbI/1
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 19, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 19, 2012, 08:41:52 AM
ANNNNND Romney's lost everbody but guys like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLeQbwuKys&feature=youtu.be) :lulz:

That song was hilarious!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 19, 2012, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 19, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
That is a good one.

Incidentally, while searching my own archives, I came across this wingnut fanfic from 2008, projecting what 2012 would be like.  Read it and weep

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_oD1Vj1azKIKqfKehlNjjbI/1
It reads like tongue-in-cheek now... Weird stuff.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Suu on September 20, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251101160

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 06:42:53 PM
Romney says Hispanic voters are a threat to our nation. (http://www.mamiverse.com/romney-says-hispanic-voters-threat-nation-21112/)

But that doesn't stop him from using spray tan to look brown on Univision. (http://gossiponthis.com/2012/09/20/mitt-romney-fake-tanner-make-himself-browner-appeal-latino-voters/#ixzz271G0Ey00)

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 20, 2012, 06:53:48 PM
The spray tun stuff is hillarious. Looking a little desperate, even, which makes my ol' heart sing.

But the "we're in trouble" comment struck me as not racist at all. He was just saying that the party's in trouble, and that for him that means the whole country is in trouble, since he (claims to) believe that the country is in trouble in the hands of the Democrats. But I have no problem with the comment being misinterpreted and called racist, since he probably is, and a lot of his party definitely is – if the elections go to the Republicans like they did in 2000 and 2004, y'all are in trouble as a nation, and all of us are in trouble as a human race. ;)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 20, 2012, 07:08:39 PM
Anyone who thinks they can put on other people's heritage when it's convenient is at least a little racist.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 20, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
Romney is so out of touch i wouldnt say that he is racist so much as he doesnt understand why some things come across as racist. Maybe thats giving him too much credit but hes so gaffe prone in every category that i dont think hes capable of seeing how he comes across. Combination of obscene wealth ambition and probably a little aspergers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 20, 2012, 07:12:24 PM
Garbo – no argument there, I was only talking about the verbal "threat to our nation" comment.

Twid – totally.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 20, 2012, 07:12:45 PM
I mean he put his fucking dog on the car roof. That indicates hes just totally incapable of thinking outside of himself in any capacity.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 20, 2012, 07:20:22 PM
I think I missed that one. What?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Quote from: VERBL on September 20, 2012, 07:20:22 PM
I think I missed that one. What?

How did you miss THAT?

Google it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 20, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
If you google romney car dog the first result youll get is the wikipedia article "mitt romney dog incident" which happened in 1983
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 20, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
Mitt Romney's dog incident: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/mitt-romneys-dog-on-the-car-roof-story-still-proves-to-be-his-critics-best-friend/2012/03/14/gIQAp2LxCS_story.html)
Quote
t happened more than a quarter century ago, at the start of a Romney family summer vacation. But the tale of Seamus, the Irish setter who got sick while riding 12 hours on the roof of Mitt Romney's faux-wood-paneled station wagon, is ballooning into a narrative of epic proportions.

It has come to characterize the candidate — and not in the favorable way Tagg Romney hoped for when he first talked in 2007 about his family's annual road trips.

Late-night host David Letterman has been giving the dog near-nightly shout-outs. There are parody Web videos, "Dogs Aren't Luggage" T-shirts and Facebook groups. ("Dogs Against Romney," which protested outside last month's Westminster dog show, has more than 38,000 Facebook fans.) The New Yorker featured a cartoon, with Rick Santorum riding in Romney's rooftop dog carrier, on its cover last week. In the five years since the story was revealed, New York Times columnist Gail Collins has mentioned Seamus in at least 50 columns.

On Wednesday, the top campaign adviser to Santorum injected the dog into the already bitter Republican presidential race.

In response to a question on CNN about Romney's criticism of an ad being aired by a super PAC supporting Santorum, John Brabender said, "Quite frankly, I'm not sure I'm going to listen to the value judgment of a guy who strapped his dog to the top of the roof of his car and went hurling down the highway."

Romney did not simply strap Seamus to the roof. He attached a dog carrier to the roof rack of the family's Chevrolet station wagon — the "white whale," as his boys called it — and assembled a shield to protect Seamus from the highway winds.

The Seamus story first surfaced in the Boston Globe in a chapter of a biographical series the newspaper published in 2007, when Romney first ran for president.

One summer day in 1983, as the Globe reported, the overpacked Romney wagon — suitcases, supplies and five sons, ages 13 and under — set off from Boston for the 12-hour trek to his parents' cottage in Ontario on the Canadian shores of Lake Huron. Romney, then a 36-year-old management consultant, had planned a single stop to refill the tank, get food and go to the bathroom.

Until the evidence of Seamus's sickness started dripping down the back window.

"Dad!" Tagg, the eldest son, yelled from the back of the wagon. "Gross!"

Romney pulled off the highway, washed down Seamus and the car at a service station, then got back on the highway.

The reactions

To some animal lovers, the story is an example of cruelty.

"It really says this guy is not like us and is mean," said Scott Crider, an Alabama marketing guru who founded Dogs Against Romney.

Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Romney supporter, said he did not know the story about Seamus but did not see any harm in an open-air ride.

"We carry our dogs around in the back of our pickup all the time," Otter said. "I've got two dogs, and I just say, 'Get in,' and they jump in the back."

Romney's political opponents sense an opportunity. Former House speaker Newt Gingrich raised the incident a few months ago with a campaign video attacking Romney.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 07:34:03 PM
There's a DEVO song about it, FFS.  :lulz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuXunulTYpU
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
To be honest, the idea of the Democrats giving a fuck about a dog, when their President is sending flying killing robots around the world to execute people (and their entire families) on the basis of intelligence reports strikes me as...unlikely.

It's acually slightly nauseous that people who decided this (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/opinion/life-and-death-at-guantanamo-bay.html) was a good idea think they can win sympathy by going "but he's mean to animals!"  If Mitt Romney treated his dog with the same contempt the Obama administration treats detainees, he'd be in a prison by now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Secret Agent GARBO on September 20, 2012, 07:08:39 PM
Anyone who thinks they can put on other people's heritage when it's convenient is at least a little racist.

He's essentially stuck in the Al Jolson era, yeah.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 20, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
To be honest, the idea of the Democrats giving a fuck about a dog, when their President is sending flying killing robots around the world to execute people (and their entire families) on the basis of intelligence reports strikes me as...unlikely.

It's acually slightly nauseous that people who decided this (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/opinion/life-and-death-at-guantanamo-bay.html) was a good idea think they can win sympathy by going "but he's mean to animals!"  If Mitt Romney treated his dog with the same contempt the Obama administration treats detainees, he'd be in a prison by now.

Diversionary tactic, yeah. "LOOK OVER THERE!"  :x

Romney's still pretty fucked up, though. Like the time he cut that gay kid's hair because "HE CAN'T LOOK LIKE THAT!"

Not saying that a haircut is on par with what happened to Adnan Latif. Just saying that Romney wouldn't give a fuck, either.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2012, 07:44:52 PM
Oh yeah, Romney almost certainly wouldn't give a fuck about any of these things either.

But I do think a fundamental rule of life is that you can't play the "this is fucked up" card when the team you're supporting is doing even more fucked up things.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 20, 2012, 08:01:33 PM
I was more pointing it out to illustrate why i dont think romney is actually racist. Just.... Socially retarded.

Also hes an incurable panderer which also adds to it.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 20, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
At I said before, I'm not sure that putting your dog in a large crate secured to the roof of a car is any worse than putting your dog in a pickup truck, or in a crate in a pickup truck, or in a car, period. It would be cruel if it were below 40 degrees or if the dog was exposed to high wind, but it wasn't.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on September 20, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on September 20, 2012, 07:44:52 PM
But I do think a fundamental rule of life is that you can't play the "this is fucked up" card when the team you're supporting is doing even more fucked up things.

Not to be a snarky douchnozzle, but that's been a staple in American politics at least since the first rumors of Sally Hemmings.

Ok, it was to totally be a snarky douchnozzle.  But at least there's a point in there, somewhere.  Oh yeah, no fair makin rules that totally negate one of the central aspects of a thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2012, 10:12:48 PM
I'm all about negating the central point of things.  Especially if its going to fuck up people's cheerleading attempts.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on September 20, 2012, 10:53:26 PM
If that's your goal then, Mozel Tov.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 20, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 20, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
At I said before, I'm not sure that putting your dog in a large crate secured to the roof of a car is any worse than putting your dog in a pickup truck, or in a crate in a pickup truck, or in a car, period. It would be cruel if it were below 40 degrees or if the dog was exposed to high wind, but it wasn't.

It might depend on the dog. From what I've read, the dog was crapping in terror and Mitt just pulled into a gas station, hosed the car off and went on. I think a person who gave a shit about the dog would have let it ride in the car at that point.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 21, 2012, 08:03:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5CL_FbRNDU&feature=g-all-u

Ben Swann gives a slightly belated breakdown of the "47%" comment.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 21, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 20, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 20, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
At I said before, I'm not sure that putting your dog in a large crate secured to the roof of a car is any worse than putting your dog in a pickup truck, or in a crate in a pickup truck, or in a car, period. It would be cruel if it were below 40 degrees or if the dog was exposed to high wind, but it wasn't.

It might depend on the dog. From what I've read, the dog was crapping in terror and Mitt just pulled into a gas station, hosed the car off and went on. I think a person who gave a shit about the dog would have let it ride in the car at that point.

That version sounds super-spun, speaking as a spin doctor.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on September 21, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 21, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 20, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 20, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
At I said before, I'm not sure that putting your dog in a large crate secured to the roof of a car is any worse than putting your dog in a pickup truck, or in a crate in a pickup truck, or in a car, period. It would be cruel if it were below 40 degrees or if the dog was exposed to high wind, but it wasn't.

It might depend on the dog. From what I've read, the dog was crapping in terror and Mitt just pulled into a gas station, hosed the car off and went on. I think a person who gave a shit about the dog would have let it ride in the car at that point.

That version sounds super-spun, speaking as a spin doctor.

Could be, very easily.

Romney's still a douche, though.  :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 21, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 21, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 21, 2012, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: TEXAS FAIRIES FOR ALL YOU SPAGS on September 20, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 20, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
At I said before, I'm not sure that putting your dog in a large crate secured to the roof of a car is any worse than putting your dog in a pickup truck, or in a crate in a pickup truck, or in a car, period. It would be cruel if it were below 40 degrees or if the dog was exposed to high wind, but it wasn't.

It might depend on the dog. From what I've read, the dog was crapping in terror and Mitt just pulled into a gas station, hosed the car off and went on. I think a person who gave a shit about the dog would have let it ride in the car at that point.

That version sounds super-spun, speaking as a spin doctor.

Could be, very easily.

Romney's still a douche, though.  :lol:

No argument there, whatsoever!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 21, 2012, 09:57:17 PM
Mittens finally released more tax information (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-release-2011-tax-return-paid-irs-14-181125301--election.html?_esi=1)
QuoteLooking to blunt relentless Democratic attacks, Mitt Romney on Friday released his 2011 tax return, a summary of his effective tax rates for the past two decades and, for good measure, two doctors' notes attesting to the good physical health of the candidate and his running mate, Paul Ryan.

The tax return was released at 3 p.m. Eastern time on the website www.mittromney.com/disclosure. Ahead of the release, the former Massachusetts governor's campaign released a blog post summarizing the document.

Releasing information on a Friday afternoon is traditionally a way to reduce the amount of media exposure.

The move fulfills a promise Romney made earlier in the 2012 presidential campaign. But it was unlikely to quiet Democratic criticisms that Romney has failed to live up to a standard set by his father, former Michigan Governor George Romney, who released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for president in 1968.

The Romneys paid $1,935,708 in taxes on $13,696,951 of mostly investment income for an effective tax rate of 14.1 percent. (The Obamas paid an effective tax rate of 20.5 percent in 2011, a lower rate than the president's secretary, according to the White House.) 

Romney, who is thought to have a personal fortune in the neighborhood of $250 million, gave $4,020,772 to charity, 30 percent of their income. (The Obamas gave 21.8 percent of their income to charities).

The blog post, written by the manager of Romney's blind trust since 2003, R. Bradford Malt, said the Romneys had filed their 2011 tax return with the IRS Friday morning. It also indicated that the Romneys' tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, would provide a letter summarizing the tax rates that the Romneys paid from 1990 to 2009.

The Romneys paid an average annual effective federal tax rate of 20.2 percent, with the lowest rate coming in at 13.66 percent. Over that same stretch of time, they gave an average of 13.45 percent of their adjusted gross income to charity.

And Romney paid a far lower rate than the 35 percent levied on the largest salaries because most of his income came from investments, which are taxed at far lower rates.

"During the 20-year period covered by the PWC letter, Gov. and Mrs. Romney paid 100 percent of the taxes that they owed," the blog post read.

Democrats led by the Obama campaign have repeatedly hit Romney over his refusal to disclose his tax returns—a fight that has helped to keep Romney's vast wealth in the media spotlight at a time when the president is trying to paint him as an out-of-touch millionaire bent on helping the wealthy.

Romney paid a price—literally—for saying that he paid at least 13 percent in federal income taxes over the past decade. He and his wife did not take the full deductions to which they were entitled for their charitable giving.

"The Romneys' generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year," Malt wrote. "The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor's statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on September 21, 2012, 10:47:08 PM
Flop sweat.  That's what this is.  It's the same thing a comedian will do when she's bombing onstage.

I FUCKING LOVE THIS ELECTION.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on September 21, 2012, 11:08:34 PM
SEE!!?? He DID pay his taxes! Take that, Harry Reid!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 22, 2012, 10:10:37 PM
:lulz:

Romney Lawyer Admits They Manipulated Taxes to Conform to 13% Claim (http://www.politicususa.com/romney-lawyer-admits-manipuated-taxes-conform-13-claim.html)
QuoteMitt Romney's lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.

The AP reported:

QuoteBut, Brad Malt acknowledged, the couple "limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor's statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years."

If you were wondering why Romney dumped his tax returns on Friday a week before they were due, we're told it's because he didn't want the issue to muddy the debate waters. However, he has done nothing but hand Democrats a justification for their tax the rich a bit more policies. Mitt Romney's taxes are becoming the poster child example of all that is wrong with our current tax codes.

One reason Romney pays so little is that most of his income comes from capital gains, rather than "income" and is thus taxed at a much lower rate. He also takes advantage of tax shelters and loopholes that have been the target of the Obama administration. The fact that Romney pays so little seems at odds with his disdain for the "47 percent" of Americans he claims don't pay any taxes, and further at odds with his expression that he feels more Americans would like to pay taxes. After all, Mitt Romney clearly doesn't like paying taxes.

Tax experts point out that Romney's returns are missing a few details:

QuoteWhat's missing, tax experts say, are the details of Romney's retirement account from Bain Capital, including investments in offshore accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.

Another factor thrown into the mix is the fact that Romney's 20 year average of his taxes is a "simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income)."

QuoteIt's a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.

Romney told us that paying more than he owed would disqualify him from the presidency, but he has now paid more than he owed in order to make his earlier statement about never paying below 13% appear to be true. Not to worry, though, Mitt Romney can merely amend his return after the election in order to get that money back from the government, like any 47%-er would want to do.

Harry Reid points out in a statement from his office, "That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated?"

As our former President warned us, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Thanks, W. We'll try to keep that in mind.
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Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 22, 2012, 11:55:07 PM
You are Mitt Romney. You pull a hamburger out of your vagina and write it in for president. Michelle Malkin sucks pink slime from your anus and spews it at your Republican critics. An impoverished girl falls down the stairs across the street. You lob a spray tan grenade at her head. Beings at Kolob send their approval in the form of quantum underpants. A hidden videotape rolls as you pull a hamburger out of your vagina and eat it for president.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 23, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: Net on September 22, 2012, 11:55:07 PM
You are Mitt Romney. You pull a hamburger out of your vagina and write it in for president. Michelle Malkin sucks pink slime from your anus and spews it at your Republican critics. An impoverished girl falls down the stairs across the street. You lob a spray tan grenade at her head. Beings at Kolob send their approval in the form of quantum underpants. A hidden videotape rolls as you pull a hamburger out of your vagina and eat it for president.

:lulz::vom:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 23, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 23, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: Net on September 22, 2012, 11:55:07 PM
You are Mitt Romney. You pull a hamburger out of your vagina and write it in for president. Michelle Malkin sucks pink slime from your anus and spews it at your Republican critics. An impoverished girl falls down the stairs across the street. You lob a spray tan grenade at her head. Beings at Kolob send their approval in the form of quantum underpants. A hidden videotape rolls as you pull a hamburger out of your vagina and eat it for president.

:lulz::vom:

That was based on a dream I had last night. I was Mitt Romney but I had a vagina that, uh, lets just say I couldn't stop tasting because it was delicious.

I think I may have spent a little too much time trolling Republicans.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 23, 2012, 12:42:05 AM
Quote from: Net on September 23, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on September 23, 2012, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: Net on September 22, 2012, 11:55:07 PM
You are Mitt Romney. You pull a hamburger out of your vagina and write it in for president. Michelle Malkin sucks pink slime from your anus and spews it at your Republican critics. An impoverished girl falls down the stairs across the street. You lob a spray tan grenade at her head. Beings at Kolob send their approval in the form of quantum underpants. A hidden videotape rolls as you pull a hamburger out of your vagina and eat it for president.

:lulz::vom:

That was based on a dream I had last night. I was Mitt Romney but I had a vagina that, uh, lets just say I couldn't stop tasting because it was delicious.

I think I may have spent a little too much time trolling Republicans.

D:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 23, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Jeebus, I have to say, without Caribou Barbie, this is one hella boring election season.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 24, 2012, 01:59:30 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 23, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Jeebus, I have to say, without Caribou Barbie, this is one hella boring election season.

Amazing, how little she's been flapping her jaw, lately...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on September 24, 2012, 02:16:39 AM
Except to make dick jokes about Benghazi, but yes.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 24, 2012, 03:02:15 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on September 23, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Jeebus, I have to say, without Caribou Barbie, this is one hella boring election season.

I think it's been hilarious.

I get the sense you get too much news from PBS or something.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: AFK on September 24, 2012, 10:37:19 AM
I've turned off the news, it's become infotainment and is only more pronounced during election season.


They are churning up fake tension to dupe people into thinking Romney actually has a chance to win so people will continue to watch their coverage. 


SPOLIER ALERT:


Obama is going to win.


Nothing is going to change.


Sleep tight kiddos!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 24, 2012, 01:44:19 PM
I sure hope youre right rwhn. I want to see an impotent frothpocalypse happen on a wednesday morning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 24, 2012, 04:13:56 PM
Ha, I should have seen this coming

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/18/13938614-how-the-romney-video-leaked-for-carters-it-was-personal?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

tl;dr version: Jimmy Carter's grandson encouraged the taper of the Romney speech to release it because he was tired of Romney constantly trash-talking Carter.

Note, not because he was shocked at such language from a Presidential candidate, or that he felt Romney's divisive worldview needed to be told to the public.  No, this was entirely personal.

Yet another data point toward the theory that 90% of politics is about who gets what share of the loot, and the other 10% is vindictive displays of aminosity and schemes for revenge.  Even when someone does a good thing, it's only the incidental outcome of some vendetta or another.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 25, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
When your running mate decides to make sure he's ALSO running for his Senate seat, because he's so sure you're going to flop in the general election, it might be time to just take your marbles and go home.

Just saying...

http://gawker.com/5942727/o-vp-of-little-faith-paul-ryan-spends-millions-on-tv-ads-for-house-race
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 25, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: Luna on September 25, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
When your running mate decides to make sure he's ALSO running for his Senate seat, because he's so sure you're going to flop in the general election, it might be time to just take your marbles and go home.

Just saying...

http://gawker.com/5942727/o-vp-of-little-faith-paul-ryan-spends-millions-on-tv-ads-for-house-race

HAW HAW!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Prince Glittersnatch III on September 26, 2012, 06:41:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al2HAxRTJRU&feature=g-all-u

Ben Swann vs Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 27, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
Obama leads Romney among NASCAR fans: Poll
By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – Mon, Sep 24, 2012

Mitt Romney's recent slide in several polls, including those in the battleground states of Ohio, Virginia and Florida, is troubling enough for the GOP. But, now the Republican nominee appears to be trailing President Barack Obama among a traditionally conservative constituency: NASCAR fans.

Obama leads Romney 49 to 42 percent among NASCAR enthusiasts, according to a new Zogby poll by JZ Analytics.

As the liberal blog PoliticusUSA.com pointed out, Romney was booed at the Daytona 500 in February during a campaign trip ahead of Super Tuesday.

The online poll of 860 likely voters conducted on Sept. 21 and 22 also found that Obama leads Romney 54 to 40 percent among military families.

Among Catholics, the president's edge—46 to 44 percent—is within the poll's 3.4 percent margin of error. But among voters who "never attend a place of worship," Obama's lead over Romney is 63 to 26 percent.


Among voters who identified themselves as "social networkers," Obama is ahead of Romney 55 to 33 percent.

Overall, the president leads the GOP challenger 49 to 41 percent, according to the poll. Obama has a head start of 14 points among independents (46 to 32 percent), 33 points among moderates (60 to 27 percent), 36 points among 18- to 29-year-olds (65 to 29 percent), and 42 points among Hispanics (68 to 26 percent).

Of the 103 likely voters who identified themselves as African-American, 96 said they would vote for Obama—with none indicating they would back Romney.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-romney-nascar-poll-140401668--politics.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on September 27, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
QuoteOf the 103 likely voters who identified themselves as African-American, 96 said they would vote for Obama—with none indicating they would back Romney.

More proof that black people are the real racists! /conservative blogger
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on September 28, 2012, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 27, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
NASCAR fans.

Heh.

Wonder how long it's been that NASCAR fans preferred a Democrat.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 28, 2012, 01:05:03 AM
Quote from: Luna on September 28, 2012, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 27, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
NASCAR fans.

Heh.

Wonder how long it's been that NASCAR fans preferred a Democrat.

1965.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on September 29, 2012, 06:24:42 PM
This will work fantastically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/us/politics/cramming-and-pruning-for-first-presidential-debate.html?hp

Mr. Romney's team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since August. His strategy includes luring the president into appearing smug or evasive about his responsibility for the economy.

More awkward humor is really going to rescue his candidacy
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on September 29, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
Whoa, the debates are gonna actually be hilarious this time!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Freeky on October 01, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/30/ryan-on-romneys-tax-plan-it-would-take-me-too-long-to-explain/

I just love the title, but it gets supported by the whole "I'm not gonna tell you!" thing. :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 01, 2012, 03:40:52 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 01, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/30/ryan-on-romneys-tax-plan-it-would-take-me-too-long-to-explain/

I just love the title, but it gets supported by the whole "I'm not gonna tell you!" thing. :lulz:

http://liberal-agenda.com/2012/10/robert-reich-breaks-the-romneyryan-economic-plan-down/

Somebody did the math for him.  :)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: hunter s.durden on October 01, 2012, 03:43:01 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 01, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/30/ryan-on-romneys-tax-plan-it-would-take-me-too-long-to-explain/

I just love the title, but it gets supported by the whole "I'm not gonna tell you!" thing. :lulz:

I may start a thread, but this one will do for now.

Every week I need to turn in between 2 and 5 political type articles with a brief journal entry discussing it. Naturally I seek the lulziest.
You have provided one this week.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 01, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
I'm sure the Aneristic Illusions subforum will provide you with all the articles you need.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 03:42:42 AM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on October 01, 2012, 03:43:01 AM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on October 01, 2012, 03:31:47 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/30/ryan-on-romneys-tax-plan-it-would-take-me-too-long-to-explain/

I just love the title, but it gets supported by the whole "I'm not gonna tell you!" thing. :lulz:

I may start a thread, but this one will do for now.

Every week I need to turn in between 2 and 5 political type articles with a brief journal entry discussing it. Naturally I seek the lulziest.
You have provided one this week.

Any random post from here:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

They're all about as long as "articles", overly political and lulzy as fuck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 02, 2012, 07:23:42 AM
 :lulz:

http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryan-cracks-pressure-admits-romneys-tax-plan-trickle.html
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 02, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Skepticism and doubt:  You're doing it wrong.


Roughly 42 percent of those surveyed said pollsters were manipulating their data in order to show President Obama with a lead. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/02/unskewed_polls_pollsters_manipulating_data_to_favor_obama_plurality_of_americans_say_.html)

I mean, sure, don't believe everything you read, and keep an open mind, and watch out for bias, but...
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 02, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 02, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Skepticism and doubt:  You're doing it wrong.


Roughly 42 percent of those surveyed said pollsters were manipulating their data in order to show President Obama with a lead. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/02/unskewed_polls_pollsters_manipulating_data_to_favor_obama_plurality_of_americans_say_.html)

I mean, sure, don't believe everything you read, and keep an open mind, and watch out for bias, but...

Polls are basically the adult equivalent of sitting in the back seat of a car, chanting "ARE WE THERE YET?  ARE WE THERE YET?" 

They serve ONE (1) purpose:  They people on the "side" that's "winning" to NOT BOTHER VOTING.  "Hell, look at that lead, I'll just stay home on election day, things are covered."

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Internet Jesus on October 02, 2012, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 02, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Skepticism and doubt:  You're doing it wrong.


Roughly 42 percent of those surveyed said pollsters were manipulating their data in order to show President Obama with a lead. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/02/unskewed_polls_pollsters_manipulating_data_to_favor_obama_plurality_of_americans_say_.html)

I mean, sure, don't believe everything you read, and keep an open mind, and watch out for bias, but...

That's not skepticism or doubt.  It's paradigm reinforcement for 27% of the population and evidence of gullibility towards any sufficiently advanced bullshit on behalf of the rest.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 11, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
Republican Roger Rivard running for Wisconsin state assembly said:

"He also told me one thing, 'If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry,' " Rivard said. "Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she's not going to say, 'Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.' All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she's underage. And he just said, 'Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,' he said, 'they rape so easy.'
"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.'"

Ryan, of course, has endorsed this guy, just as he collaborated with Akin to punish women.

Congressman Ryan stated, "Roger needs to be reaffirmed to get this job done and fix the state of Wisconsin." [...]
"This is a unique opportunity and special responsibility to get this job done in Wisconsin to help save the USA."

(reposted from CG)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 11, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Got to stop those evil girls from killing babies and calling rape on unsupecting victims.  :x
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 18, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
Was it Mobutu Sese Soko who once said America was a "one party dictatorship, but with typical American extravagance, it has two of them?"

I don't think so, actually, but whoever did say it, well, I'm sure they're laughing hard in that circle of hell reserved for statesmen and other criminals:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/green-party-candidate-arrested-outside-debate-site/

QuoteGreen Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala were arrested outside Long Island's Hofstra University ahead of tonight's debate.

After being denied entrance to the campus because they lacked credentials, the two candidates sat down in the street in front of the university with an American flag on their laps, the Long Island Report explains. They were led away by police officers after refusing to move.

Stein and Honkala objected to being excluded from the debate, saying they are on 85 percent of state ballots and should be part of the national discussion.

Even better according to Democracy Within 30 Minutes Or You Get Your Next Political System Free Now!, Jill Stein was handcuffed to a chair and held in a police warehouse (designed for protestors) for 8 hours.  Just her, her VP candidate and over a dozen police.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
Was it Mobutu Sese Soko who once said America was a "one party dictatorship, but with typical American extravagance, it has two of them?"

I don't think so, actually, but whoever did say it, well, I'm sure they're laughing hard in that circle of hell reserved for statesmen and other criminals:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/16/green-party-candidate-arrested-outside-debate-site/

QuoteGreen Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala were arrested outside Long Island's Hofstra University ahead of tonight's debate.

After being denied entrance to the campus because they lacked credentials, the two candidates sat down in the street in front of the university with an American flag on their laps, the Long Island Report explains. They were led away by police officers after refusing to move.

Stein and Honkala objected to being excluded from the debate, saying they are on 85 percent of state ballots and should be part of the national discussion.

Even better according to Democracy Within 30 Minutes Or You Get Your Next Political System Free Now!, Jill Stein was handcuffed to a chair and held in a police warehouse (designed for protestors) for 8 hours.  Just her, her VP candidate and over a dozen police.

HELLO.  SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT CLUEING IN.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
And then, nothing in particular happened.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2012, 03:51:01 PM
Oh, those wacky Green party candidates!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 18, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
Romney Wants Small Business Owners To Tell Their Employees How They Shoud Vote. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/18/romney_s_nfib_call_gop_hopeful_tells_employers_to_tell_employees_who_to.html)

Quote"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections," the GOP hopeful told a group of small business owners.


THANKS A LOT, OBAMA CITIZEN'S UNITED!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 05:08:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2012, 03:51:01 PM
Oh, those wacky Green party candidates!

Listen up, citizen...They are already paying for two parties for you support.  Three parties will cost more for no additional benefit, and will simply confuse you.  You are either RED or BLUE.  Custom packages ARE permitted, but are not supported by the current operating system.  Those weren't security guards or cops, they were ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE.

Now shut the fuck up and pick which color you support.  It's all the Goddamn political thinking YOU need to do.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:19:35 PM
I just switched my party back to green actually. I was going to vote stein anyway but i dont want to get anymore jury duty notices.

Twid
there are silver linings to being ignored politically.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:19:35 PM
I just switched my party back to green actually. I was going to vote stein anyway but i dont want to get anymore jury duty notices.

Twid
there are silver linings to being ignored politically.

This is how they allow the dangerous monkeys to neutralize themselves.  Give them a pretend alternative to play with.  Blows the steam off, keeps 'em from hanging G/S execs from lamp posts.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:31:16 PM
Not sure i see the connection with being a member of the green party and being neutralized.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 18, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
The 2 big parties are corrupt. The smaller parties are powerless. So either you vote for the asshole, or you vote for the pipsqueak with no chance in Hell of ever making a dent in the system.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
Romney Wants Small Business Owners To Tell Their Employees How They Shoud Vote. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/18/romney_s_nfib_call_gop_hopeful_tells_employers_to_tell_employees_who_to.html)

Quote"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections," the GOP hopeful told a group of small business owners.


THANKS A LOT, OBAMA CITIZEN'S UNITED!

Uh, isn't that illegal?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:31:16 PM
Not sure i see the connection with being a member of the green party and being neutralized.

Because your dissatisfaction has been routed into a cause that has no hope of success. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 18, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 18, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
Romney Wants Small Business Owners To Tell Their Employees How They Shoud Vote. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/18/romney_s_nfib_call_gop_hopeful_tells_employers_to_tell_employees_who_to.html)

Quote"I hope you make it very clear to your employees what you believe is in the best interest of your enterprise and therefore their job and their future in the upcoming elections," the GOP hopeful told a group of small business owners.


THANKS A LOT, OBAMA CITIZEN'S UNITED!

Uh, isn't that illegal?

It is not illegal to tell your employees your opinion of what's best for the company they work for, and thus their jobs, unless you are within 100 feet of a polling place.

It IS illegal to ORDER your employees to vote one way or the other.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
That implies that my dissatisfaction can only go down one avenue in a game thats not going to resolve my dissatisfaction even if i play.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 05:45:36 PM
That implies that my dissatisfaction can only go down one avenue in a game thats not going to resolve my dissatisfaction even if i play.

How else have you expressed your dissatisfaction?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 18, 2012, 05:58:11 PM
It's also perfectly legal to require your employees to attend a particular political rally - even under threats of firing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
Oh.

Shoulda read the article first. :(

FUCK.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: V3X on October 18, 2012, 05:58:11 PM
It's also perfectly legal to require your employees to attend a particular political rally - even under threats of firing.

Technically not legal...BUT WHO'S COUNTING?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Recently not much. But being a green doesnt stop me from voting for democrats when i find it necessary to do so.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 18, 2012, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Recently not much. But being a green doesnt stop me from voting for democrats when i find it necessary to do so.

Well, there you go.  You are all set.

Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
Voting Green has two vital functions:

a) it causes Democrat partisans to spazz out hilariously, and
b) it allows Democrat partisans to engage in a chorus of thanksralphery, regardless of the topic of discussion.  They will then exhort left-leaning Democrats to shun the heretics and stay true to the Faith.

Both of the above are really one thing, but the spazzing is so hilarious it deserves two mentions.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 18, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
Voting Green has two vital functions:

a) it causes Democrat partisans to spazz out hilariously, and
b) it allows Democrat partisans to engage in a chorus of thanksralphery, regardless of the topic of discussion.  They will then exhort left-leaning Democrats to shun the heretics and stay true to the Faith.

Both of the above are really one thing, but the spazzing is so hilarious it deserves two mentions.

That, totally.

Of course, if everyone who registers Green and/or says that they're "really more aligned with the Green party" actually VOTED Green, we would have a viable third party and probably set the Democratic party scrambling to reclaim the Left.

Unfortunately, it seems like half the Greens don't bother voting because it's "no use", and the other half vote Democratic for the same reason, which means that being a member of the Green party is enacting exactly as much change as hanging Tibetan prayer flags on your porch.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 18, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
Voting Green has two vital functions:

a) it causes Democrat partisans to spazz out hilariously, and
b) it allows Democrat partisans to engage in a chorus of thanksralphery, regardless of the topic of discussion.  They will then exhort left-leaning Democrats to shun the heretics and stay true to the Faith.

Both of the above are really one thing, but the spazzing is so hilarious it deserves two mentions.

That, totally.

Of course, if everyone who registers Green and/or says that they're "really more aligned with the Green party" actually VOTED Green, we would have a viable third party and probably set the Democratic party scrambling to reclaim the Left.

Unfortunately, it seems like half the Greens don't bother voting because it's "no use", and the other half vote Democratic for the same reason, which means that being a member of the Green party is enacting exactly as much change as hanging Tibetan prayer flags on your porch.

John Caruso has a parable (http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003209.html) on this topic:

QuoteJohn Feffer bewails the lack of any alternative to the Democratic Party:

QuoteWe don't have our own party, which would say yes to things we like. True, we have the Green Party and assorted groupuscules. But I'm talking about a viable, national party that secures the votes of the 16 percent of Americans who identify themselves as progressives, and can win a governing majority by crafting arguments that appeal to the two-thirds of Americans who support progressive ideas.

Got that?  We don't have a national party that says yes to things we like, except for the national party that says yes to things we like.  But the Green Party doesn't count because it's not "viable"—meaning it hasn't somehow managed to garner the votes of the 16% of Americans who identify as progressives, but who refuse to vote for it until the 16% of Americans who identify as progressives have already voted for it.

Call me pedantic, but I can't help but sense a subtle logical flaw here.

Liberals like Feffer (and he's far from being the only one) apparently want to see a new "progressive" party spring to life fully formed like Athena popping out of Zeus's skull, somehow instantly gaining ballot access in all 50 states and going directly from non-existence to 16% of the national vote in a single election cycle—though they themselves won't actually vote for this miracle party until the next election cycle, once it's a known "viable" quantity.  And until all of that happens, they refuse to throw their vote away!  On anyone but the Democrats, that is.

I sometimes imagine a dialog with a drowning liberal:

    DROWNING LIBERAL: Help!  Help!

    ME: You seem to be drowning.  Here, let me throw you this life preserver.

    DL: No!  How do I know that life preserver is viable?  It might dissolve on contact with salt water!  I won't grab it unless I see twenty million other people use it first!

    ME: Well, that's up to you.  But I have to say that no matter what, I think it'd be better than what you're holding on to now.

    DL: You mean this anchor?

    ME: Yeah, that.

    DL: Well, it's very easy to say that, but how can I be sure?  That life preserver may never have been tested in the water, whereas this anchor is obviously a viable seafaring device!  Sure, in some ideal world the life preserver might be better, but this anchor is serving its intended purpose in the actual ocean right now!  And furthermore <glub glub glub>.

You might be tempted to feel sorry for poor DL, but don't worry—there are millions more exactly like him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 18, 2012, 06:50:01 PM
:lulz:

pretty much.

Also the fact that i live in massachusetts which is not going to damage obamas chances one bit.

I will be voting for warren as i want fewer republicans in congress.

The throwing away my vote thing drives me a little nuts. It implies also that liberals arent voting for someone so much as against someone else. Which i am doing for the senate race but you know. Grant money signs my paycheck.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 18, 2012, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 18, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
Voting Green has two vital functions:

a) it causes Democrat partisans to spazz out hilariously, and
b) it allows Democrat partisans to engage in a chorus of thanksralphery, regardless of the topic of discussion.  They will then exhort left-leaning Democrats to shun the heretics and stay true to the Faith.

Both of the above are really one thing, but the spazzing is so hilarious it deserves two mentions.

That, totally.

Of course, if everyone who registers Green and/or says that they're "really more aligned with the Green party" actually VOTED Green, we would have a viable third party and probably set the Democratic party scrambling to reclaim the Left.

Unfortunately, it seems like half the Greens don't bother voting because it's "no use", and the other half vote Democratic for the same reason, which means that being a member of the Green party is enacting exactly as much change as hanging Tibetan prayer flags on your porch.

With the exception that the prayer flags look pretty and mindfuck your neighbors (at least around here).


Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 19, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BBEXB1Wf9c

Romnesia.   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 19, 2012, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:20:57 PM
Quote from: Man Green on October 18, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
Voting Green has two vital functions:

a) it causes Democrat partisans to spazz out hilariously, and
b) it allows Democrat partisans to engage in a chorus of thanksralphery, regardless of the topic of discussion.  They will then exhort left-leaning Democrats to shun the heretics and stay true to the Faith.

Both of the above are really one thing, but the spazzing is so hilarious it deserves two mentions.

That, totally.

Of course, if everyone who registers Green and/or says that they're "really more aligned with the Green party" actually VOTED Green, we would have a viable third party and probably set the Democratic party scrambling to reclaim the Left.

Unfortunately, it seems like half the Greens don't bother voting because it's "no use", and the other half vote Democratic for the same reason, which means that being a member of the Green party is enacting exactly as much change as hanging Tibetan prayer flags on your porch.

John Caruso has a parable (http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003209.html) on this topic:

QuoteJohn Feffer bewails the lack of any alternative to the Democratic Party:

QuoteWe don't have our own party, which would say yes to things we like. True, we have the Green Party and assorted groupuscules. But I'm talking about a viable, national party that secures the votes of the 16 percent of Americans who identify themselves as progressives, and can win a governing majority by crafting arguments that appeal to the two-thirds of Americans who support progressive ideas.

Got that?  We don't have a national party that says yes to things we like, except for the national party that says yes to things we like.  But the Green Party doesn't count because it's not "viable"—meaning it hasn't somehow managed to garner the votes of the 16% of Americans who identify as progressives, but who refuse to vote for it until the 16% of Americans who identify as progressives have already voted for it.

Call me pedantic, but I can't help but sense a subtle logical flaw here.

Liberals like Feffer (and he's far from being the only one) apparently want to see a new "progressive" party spring to life fully formed like Athena popping out of Zeus's skull, somehow instantly gaining ballot access in all 50 states and going directly from non-existence to 16% of the national vote in a single election cycle—though they themselves won't actually vote for this miracle party until the next election cycle, once it's a known "viable" quantity.  And until all of that happens, they refuse to throw their vote away!  On anyone but the Democrats, that is.

I sometimes imagine a dialog with a drowning liberal:

    DROWNING LIBERAL: Help!  Help!

    ME: You seem to be drowning.  Here, let me throw you this life preserver.

    DL: No!  How do I know that life preserver is viable?  It might dissolve on contact with salt water!  I won't grab it unless I see twenty million other people use it first!

    ME: Well, that's up to you.  But I have to say that no matter what, I think it'd be better than what you're holding on to now.

    DL: You mean this anchor?

    ME: Yeah, that.

    DL: Well, it's very easy to say that, but how can I be sure?  That life preserver may never have been tested in the water, whereas this anchor is obviously a viable seafaring device!  Sure, in some ideal world the life preserver might be better, but this anchor is serving its intended purpose in the actual ocean right now!  And furthermore <glub glub glub>.

You might be tempted to feel sorry for poor DL, but don't worry—there are millions more exactly like him.

:lulz: SPOT FUCKING ON.  :horrormirth:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on October 20, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: Luna on October 19, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BBEXB1Wf9c

Romnesia.   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:   :lol:
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2012, 07:33:47 AM
Two thirds of the foreign policy debate tonight are going to be about the Middle East.

You know, I've checked a map, and two-thirds of the world that is not America is not, in fact, located in the Middle East.  Shocking, right?  In fact, the entire debate could be renamed "Talk about China and Iran and terrorism" because actually those are the only questions on the list.

So, that leaves out: The Eurozone Crisis, a resurgent Russia, NATO (could link all three of those together), sub-Saharan Africa (always neglected), India (only a billion population strong nuclear power), North Korea and Latin America.  You could also throw in things like global warming, international financial policy, arms controls etc which apparently also are not worthy of discussion.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 22, 2012, 03:35:22 PM
Their answers to all those are the same, though.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 22, 2012, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 22, 2012, 07:33:47 AM
Two thirds of the foreign policy debate tonight are going to be about the Middle East.

You know, I've checked a map, and two-thirds of the world that is not America is not, in fact, located in the Middle East.  Shocking, right?  In fact, the entire debate could be renamed "Talk about China and Iran and terrorism" because actually those are the only questions on the list.

So, that leaves out: The Eurozone Crisis, a resurgent Russia, NATO (could link all three of those together), sub-Saharan Africa (always neglected), India (only a billion population strong nuclear power), North Korea and Latin America.  You could also throw in things like global warming, international financial policy, arms controls etc which apparently also are not worthy of discussion.

You have to remember that they're performing in front of Americans.

I could create a map of the world as seen by Americans, if you like.  It may give you an insight into the thought processes of the po'bucker in the street.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/map.png)

Formerly known as Union of Soviet Socialist Russian commie Bastards?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on October 22, 2012, 06:44:08 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 22, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i312/P3nT4gR4m/map.png)

Formerly known as Union of Soviet Socialist Russian commie Bastards?

You just need to draw a line across "USA" and label the bottom part "MEXICO IRAQISTAN BROWN PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KILL US AND TAKE OUR JOBS" and have them spilling over the border
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 22, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/putin-on-the-mitts

QuoteOne of the biggest shocks for me since getting tossed out of Russia four years ago was coming back to an America that's taking on Russia's worst traits: oligarchy, inequality, a two-tier justice system depending on your wealth.

Now that Romney and his financial backers are openly pressuring company employees to vote for Romney, add "Putin-style elections" to the list of Russian traits America is acquiring.

Last year, I first broke this story with Mike Elk for The Nation about how the Koch brothers were ramming political propaganda down their workers' throats, advising them which candidates to vote for — all right-wing freemarketeers, nearly all Republican — warning their employees that if their slate of candidates weren't elected, their jobs could be lost due to economic catastrophe.

The Kochs and other employers can do this thanks to Citizens United, which has done more to speed up the Putin-ization of America than Putin himself could have dreamed of in his darkest fantasies. From the time of the New Deal labor laws until the Citizens United decision in 2010, employers were barred from pressuring their employees on how to vote in elections, for the obvious simple reason that employers have an enormous amount of leverage over employees.

As Marquette University law professor Paul Secunda told me last year:

    "Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for. Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates. It's a very troubling situation."

This past week, Mike Elk reported that the Kochs are once again pressuring their employees on how to vote—for Mitt Romney, in case you're wondering.

QuoteNote that, unlike in America, in Russia it is at least technically illegal for employers to pressure employees on how to vote. So in that sense, we've already regressed further from democracy than Putin's Russia. America's elections, by the standards of the same elections monitors we fund over in Russia, are looking increasingly as rigged and undemocratic as Russia's.

Golos was shut down briefly by Russian courts for doing its job — which largely consisted of collecting and exposing incidents in which bosses applied pressure on their workers to vote for Putin's Party in the Duma elections. This year, the Kremlin moved to cut off western funding for Golos, after they exposed similar antidemocratic tactics in the vote that reinstalled Putin as Russia's president.

In other words, for authoritarian oligarchy to survive, it needs to be able to work with CEOs to pressure their employees—what Romney is doing today, thanks to Citizens United.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: inode_buddha on October 23, 2012, 05:00:33 AM
I think we should abolish the FDA and let the Free Market (TM) solve that meningitis outbreak. Informed consumers will make the choice.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 23, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
The foreign policy debate in two sentences:

Obama: I killed Osama Bin Laden from my house. 
Romney: I have binders full of Iranian nuclear physicists.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.

But what you didn't get was the look on Romney's face.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 23, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.

But what you didn't get was the look on Romney's face.

retarded rabbit in headlights?
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 23, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 23, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.

But what you didn't get was the look on Romney's face.

retarded rabbit in headlights?

Angry monkey.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 23, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
Horses and Bayonets. Lol.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on October 23, 2012, 04:47:49 PM
Also, "The 80s called. They want their foreign policy back."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 23, 2012, 04:57:21 PM
Syria is Iran's route to the sea.

Apart from Iran's own coastline, that is.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 23, 2012, 05:00:57 PM
And Iran's lack of any border with Syria. These, however, are minor points. I think what Mitt Romney was really trying to say is "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Juana on October 23, 2012, 05:04:37 PM
Obama called him on that. He proceeded to backpedal and go, "NU UH! LAST RESORT! LAST RESORT!"
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 23, 2012, 05:20:39 PM
Watching { WWE wrestling | American Politics } is my one guilty pleasure. I know the story lines are written ahead of time, and the whole { match | election } is rigged from the start, but the compelling narratives are addictive. I find myself rooting for someone to jump into the { ring | race } and start beating a guy with a { fold-up chair | focus-group-tested zinger } . I know it's all fake and contrived, and there'll never be real { appreciation for | progress in } the arena of { real wrestling | meaningful politics } until we give up our addiction to this fake, over-the-top, badly-acted crap. But I { bought my  season pass | invested in my candidate } and it seems like such a waste to give up now.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: LMNO on October 23, 2012, 05:25:19 PM
Quote from: V3X on October 23, 2012, 05:20:39 PM
Watching { WWE wrestling | American Politics } is my one guilty pleasure. I know the story lines are written ahead of time, and the whole { match | election } is rigged from the start, but the compelling narratives are addictive. I find myself rooting for someone to jump into the { ring | race } and start beating a guy with a { fold-up chair | focus-group-tested zinger } . I know it's all fake and contrived, and there'll never be real { appreciation for | progress in } the arena of { real wrestling | meaningful politics } until we give up our addiction to this fake, over-the-top, badly-acted crap. But I { bought my  season pass | invested in my candidate } and it seems like such a waste to give up now.

:potd:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Luna on October 24, 2012, 02:35:45 AM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 23, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.

But what you didn't get was the look on Romney's face.

retarded rabbit in headlights?

Angry monkey.

He looked constipated, to me.

And, his "attacking ME isn't talking about policy" bullshit got old the FIRST time he tried it. 
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2012, 02:39:45 AM
Quote from: Luna on October 24, 2012, 02:35:45 AM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 23, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 23, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 23, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
I didn't even watch.  I get more foreign policy information from your throw-away jokes than I could have gotten from those two wankers.

But what you didn't get was the look on Romney's face.

retarded rabbit in headlights?

Angry monkey.

He looked constipated, to me.

And, his "attacking ME isn't talking about policy" bullshit got old the FIRST time he tried it.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbr08ZbOT1rg2rf7o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 24, 2012, 05:07:02 PM
And it appears that Nigel has been giving Ann Romney some pointers:

(http://www.thestranger.com/binary/03a1/1350969877-romney-pegged-debate.jpg)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 24, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Trumps big announcement-

he will give 5 mill to charity of obamas choice if he releases his high school transcripts and passport applications by 5 pm halloween.

In other words attention whore cant find the info to complete his term paper wants to pay teacher to do it for him.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 24, 2012, 05:15:29 PM
College transcripts i mean.

Twid
released his high school transcripts this morning.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 25, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/political-science-says-a-romney-presidency-would-be-doomed/263918/

QuoteIf Mitt Romney is elected, he will be the fourth Republican president in the Reagan regime. That regime is no longer in its glory days. Demographic shifts have weakened the Republican electoral coalition, while Republican politicians have grown increasingly radical and ideological. At best, Romney will be an affiliated president attempting to revive the Republican brand after it has been badly tarnished by George W. Bush; at worst, he will be a disjunctive president, unable to keep his party's factions together, and presiding over the end of the Reagan coalition.

Throughout his career, Romney has presented himself as a pragmatic, data-driven, hands-on problem-solver. In this respect he resembles our two last disjunctive presidents, Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter. Yet in order to secure his party's nomination, Romney has had to twist his positions to conform to the most radical demands of the Republican base.

I'm not so sure I agree with Balkin's characterization of Romney as a "disjunctive" President.  The Republicans are far more likely to fall in line behind Romney should he become President, because the party is more uniformly ideological and the Republicans care about winning first and passing their agenda second.  No doubt many conservatives will find Romney's various ways to pass his agenda (whatever agenda that may actually be) somewhat obnoxious, but I don't even see a serious primary challenge being mounted against him, should he take the White House.

Romney would in fact probably govern more as a "pre-emptive" President, assuming he could build the coalitions he needed to pass his agenda.  Using Ryan as a fluffer for the House Republicans (I will not apologize for that mental image) will probably get most of them to fall in line with his compromises.  What people forget is that Romney wants power above all...I wouldn't say he is entirely non-ideological, but he will adopt the colours and rhetoric of the people whose support he needs to get something done.  And he will therefore compromise when he has to, because having power is the main thing.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2012, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 25, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/political-science-says-a-romney-presidency-would-be-doomed/263918/

QuoteIf Mitt Romney is elected, he will be the fourth Republican president in the Reagan regime. That regime is no longer in its glory days. Demographic shifts have weakened the Republican electoral coalition, while Republican politicians have grown increasingly radical and ideological. At best, Romney will be an affiliated president attempting to revive the Republican brand after it has been badly tarnished by George W. Bush; at worst, he will be a disjunctive president, unable to keep his party's factions together, and presiding over the end of the Reagan coalition.

Throughout his career, Romney has presented himself as a pragmatic, data-driven, hands-on problem-solver. In this respect he resembles our two last disjunctive presidents, Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter. Yet in order to secure his party's nomination, Romney has had to twist his positions to conform to the most radical demands of the Republican base.

I'm not so sure I agree with Balkin's characterization of Romney as a "disjunctive" President.  The Republicans are far more likely to fall in line behind Romney should he become President, because the party is more uniformly ideological and the Republicans care about winning first and passing their agenda second.  No doubt many conservatives will find Romney's various ways to pass his agenda (whatever agenda that may actually be) somewhat obnoxious, but I don't even see a serious primary challenge being mounted against him, should he take the White House.

Romney would in fact probably govern more as a "pre-emptive" President, assuming he could build the coalitions he needed to pass his agenda.  Using Ryan as a fluffer for the House Republicans (I will not apologize for that mental image) will probably get most of them to fall in line with his compromises.  What people forget is that Romney wants power above all...I wouldn't say he is entirely non-ideological, but he will adopt the colours and rhetoric of the people whose support he needs to get something done.  And he will therefore compromise when he has to, because having power is the main thing.

Precisely. There's a reason why the man will change his politics 24 hours later at a different campaign stop.

This might be a bit of a side note, but I thought I saw it somewhere that the LDS basically try and groom their men to become people like Romney. Any truth to this? I do remember reading an article where a feminist member of Romney's congregation asked him what he thought about abortion, and he basically said, I'm pro-choice because Salt Lake City said it was ok to say that you're pro-choice in a liberal state in order to get political office. So she asked the question again and he's like, "Yeah, I'm pro-choice"--as if he didn't see a difference in pandering and having a legitimate opinion.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
Ah, found it:

Quote from: Judy DushkuI was in China when Mitt launched his Senate campaign in 1994. When I arrived home, the tape on my answering machine was full of messages from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, and so forth, all saying, "We know that you're a Mormon feminist and a political scientist and you're in his ward. You've worked in Massachusetts politics around women's issues. Please talk to us." I immediately called Mitt's home, and Ann answered. She encouraged me to go down and visit with him at the campaign office. When I entered the office, there was a table to my right where I saw women from the ward working. I said, "Hi," and he asked, "What brings you here?" I told him I was interested in politics, that I heard he was taking a pro-choice stance, and that I was wondering if, as a Democrat and fellow Mormon, maybe I could work for him. I wanted to understand his stance better. "Yes, I'm definitely for choice," he said. And I said, "Great, we agree on that." Then, he said, "In Salt Lake, they told me it was okay to take that position in a liberal state." I said, "That doesn't make me quite as happy. I'd rather know you really believe it."

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/election2012/6370/mitt_romney%E2%80%99s_best-known_mormon_critic_tells_it_all._one_last_time._/
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 26, 2012, 09:09:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CvFmA.png)
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2012, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: Cain on October 26, 2012, 09:09:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CvFmA.png)

:mittens:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 26, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
The thing that concerns me about Romney, and which I am disturbed that more people are not taking into consideration, is that he's a good Temple Mormon, and that means that he will do his sacred duty of saying whatever is necessary to consolidate Mormon power into the higher ranks of government.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 26, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
White Horse Prophecy time!
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on October 26, 2012, 05:21:03 PM
So let me get this straight, the guy in the running for prezitator is a card carrying mormon? Either you guys REALLY fucking hate Obama or he's guaranteed another term. I mean who in their right mind would vote for a mormon? Even christians think those guys are fucking retarded!  :eek:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 26, 2012, 05:23:20 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 26, 2012, 05:21:03 PM
So let me get this straight, the guy in the running for prezitator is a card carrying mormon? Either you guys REALLY fucking hate Obama or he's guaranteed another term. I mean who in their right mind would vote for a mormon? Even christians think those guys are fucking retarded!  :eek:

Mormon > Black, basically.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
Youre correct pent and the gop didnt really want him to win the primary. But he did because he was the least crazy. Heres the thing about the gop. Theyre good at following their leaders. You could slam romney all you want during the primaries but as soon as he wins it you will agree with absolutely everything he says. Whats even funnier is that because he has no opinions other than he should be president he will agree with absolutely evrything you say too.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: tyrannosaurus vex on October 26, 2012, 05:29:22 PM
This is the basis of the GOP plan to grow the economy. Possibilities expand endlessly when Republicans talk to each other, just like space expands infinitely when you aim two mirrors at each other.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2012, 05:31:17 PM
Their mantra throughout the whole thing was anybody but obama. Well. Mitts anybody. Here ya go.

But to be fair if hillary was president their mantra would likely have been anybody but clinton.

The gop likes having rabies you see.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 26, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
Vex :lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/all-to-play-for

QuoteThe LDS Church headquarters in Salt Lake City has already been caught organizing a major Mormon get-the-vote drive in the state of Nevada. According to emails obtained by reporter Jon Ralston, a senior Mormon church official in Salt Lake City with the title "Latter Day Saints public affairs specialist" was organizing and instructing Nevada's Mormon "stake presidents" — local leaders in charge of a dozen congregations and thousands of Mormons each — on top-down strategies to get local Nevada Mormons registered and voting. The email instructions from the "LDS public affairs specialist" included a PowerPoint presentation to be used during Sunday Mormon church services in Nevada. According the instructions:

"You will note that this PowerPoint touches on both encouraging members to vote, as well as helping prepare them for difficult questions posed by their friends, work associates, neighbors, etc.," Severts wrote, according to Ralston, who first reported the message.

The email instructs Nevada's Mormon church leaders to direct further questions about the voter registration drive to Judy and Ron Tobler, whose avowed sympathies for Romney and Republican Party advocacy raise a shit-ton of disturbing questions about what's going on in Nevada. Judy Tobler's Facebook lists her interests as "Mitt Romney," "Paul Ryan," and FreedomWorks, the notorious Koch-linked GOP front group that launched the Tea Party campaign in 2009.

That sound you can hear in the background is LMNO screaming "revoke their tax-exempt status, the bastards" over and over again.

Oh, and going by the latest polls, Romney is projected to win the popular vote by 0.9%, and Obama to win the electoral college votes by a landslide.  I really hope this happens, because I'm going to spend November 4th datamining every liberal blogger in the US who declared that when it happened in 2000 with Bush, it meant his Presidency was illegitimate, and then slap them in the face repeatedly while shouting "stop hitting yourself!"

And people wonder why I'm banned from the majority of political forums and blogs out there.
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Verbal Mike on October 30, 2012, 10:50:43 PM
:lulz:
Title: Re: UNLIMITED GOP 2012 PRIMARY CANDIDATE THREAD
Post by: Kai on October 31, 2012, 01:43:52 AM
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/10/29/ignore-that-presidential-campaign-over-there/

QuoteHere's the problem: we've all been played. All of the focus is on the presidential election, in a winner-take-all two party system. And the presidential election is a distraction. It's been reduced to a numbers game, a horse race where policies don't matter, and all you have left to do is to pick one out of two. All the work has been done before you enter the voting booth, and that work is aimed at limiting your choices. So this time around, your choice is the evangelical Christian who brags about killing terrorists while making incremental improvements to the economy, or the Mormon robot who's going to serve as a slave to the bankers and merchants of greed who destroy the economy, or nothing. So you try to pick the lesser of two evils.

I know what people will say. You have to vote on your principles, or nothing will change. When I just look at the issues, I agree: I ought to vote for Jill Stein, whose stand on just about everything agrees with mine. (Don't tell me about Gary Johnson — I look at his positions and see a selfish moron who'd be worse than Romney). But Jill Stein isn't going to win, and my vote would be thrown away, and worse, Jill Stein is throwing away her time and effort in a quixotic race that has already been decided. It will be one of two. The two are fixed. Third party candidates are a snare and an illusion.

I'm not saying that we're doomed, though, just that the presidential race is the wrong place to effect change.

The right place is everywhere else. Maybe the primary campaigns would be better: we need to get candidates in place that don't require us to hold our noses in order to vote for them. The Republican field is always a race to find the one candidate just crazy enough to satisfy a badly deranged base, while not so obviously crazy as to alienate everyone else, so forget them. The Democrats always seem to be looking for the moderate who won't really change the system (that would be scary) and who will inspire just enough to squeak into office...but not inspire so much that people will wake up to our problems. I suspect that both parties will fundamentally resist change.

I have some problems with it, but overall it was a good rant. Once things get to the "two man" stage, the rest is all a distraction and waste of time.